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If anybody here is into pavement, they are another great example. Stephen Malkmus spends most of the time out of tune but it's still bloody genius somehow.

 

Top band - seen them live a couple of times- talk about vocals being out of tune, the whole band was off key but it all made strange, wonderful sense.

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Which is the point I was agreeing with you sanctimonious t**t.

 

As for Closer, yes, wonderful album but LWTUA still has the same effect on me now as it did when I first heard it around 1980/81 and that is why I love it.

 

Fair play. I meant about what Sambosa said tbh. And yes, lwtua is an excellent song in its own right, just that it was a bit more commercially aimed than the album stuff. I have everything they recorded if you want anything copied :)

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Top band - seen them live a couple of times- talk about vocals being out of tune, the whole band was off key but it all made strange, wonderful sense.

 

Finally got to see them in Paris last year, outstanding.

 

Malkmus is still going strong and his new album 'Mirror Traffic' is the best cd if heard all year.

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I was listening to a Johnny Cash track on the radio a couple of days ago and it got me thinking. For such an iconic, famous and no-doubt rich, singer I came to the conclusion that his singing voice is pretty poor and out of tune a lot of the time.

 

What other singers who have made a lot of music can you think of who, on reflection, have been awful and it makes you wonder how they ever got a record deal. A current one is Baxter Dury, Ian's son, who must have a lot of compromising photographs of a lot of people to get his deal.

 

I don't know what recording you were hearing, but I have to say that if you really can't comprehend the greatness of the late Johnny Cash recordings then frankly there's something wrong with you. Cash was of course highly successful in his (wild) youth, but for my money what he achieved in old age (in large part courtesy of that musical visionary Rick Rubin) was perhaps one of the most remarkable achievements in modern popular music.

 

Sit down and listen to all the pain & humanity inherent in his monumental 'American Recordings'. Then, and only then, come on here and post something quite as misguided as this.

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I don't know what recording you were hearing, but I have to say that if you really can't comprehend the greatness of the late Johnny Cash recordings then frankly there's something wrong with you. Cash was of course highly successful in his (wild) youth, but for my money what he achieved in old age (in large part courtesy of that musical visionary Rick Rubin) was perhaps one of the most remarkable achievements in modern popular music.

 

Sit down and listen to all the pain & humanity inherent in his monumental 'American Recordings'. Then, and only then, come on here and post something quite as misguided as this.

 

Agree with this - some of the recordings are arguably better than what were very good originals. Hurt is usually cited. Further on up the road is another fantastic cover - completely transformed the original.

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Finally got to see them in Paris last year, outstanding.

 

Malkmus is still going strong and his new album 'Mirror Traffic' is the best cd if heard all year.

 

Will check out the new CD - have found it difficult to get into his solo stuff and skipped the last album 'real emotional trash' whereas pavement always slipped on effortlessly. Only band around that could play the same song differently every night on tour.

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This won't be popular but Queen. Bought their first few albums but now can't stand their music. Can't be doing with the multitrack vocals and the ghay guitar sound. ELO too, although I didn't like them in the first place.

 

I hate Queen too, other than Oasis they are the most overrated band ever. ELO are just funny, Horace Wimp is a classic that always makes me chuckle.

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I think it is the vocal harmonies again. I do like harmoniesbut not Queens or ELOs. I also thought that The Stanglers were a far better band than The Clash and that The Jam just rehashed The Who, The Small Faces, The Kinks and The Beatles whilst Paul Weller rebuilt his career on the back of Steve Winwood.

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whoosh. Ian Curtis had a hopeless singing voice, as indeed did Johnny Lydon, but it fitted with what they were doing at the time. Nobody else but them could have had the same impact, and I'm pretty sure they both supplied most/all of the lyrics for JD and the pistols.

 

As for love will tear us apart, i have to say that was their attempt (and a successful one) at notching a chart hit. I defy anyone to listen to the last two tracks of Closer without feeling skewered through the intestines, that album is absolutely superb, and imho second only to NMTB.

 

Surely the last 3 tracks - how can you miss out Twenty Four Hours? The lyrics are scary given the illness that Ian Curtis was suffering at the time & the fact he subsequently committed suicide. Very dark stuff, but still my favourite Joy Division song.

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Surely the last 3 tracks - how can you miss out Twenty Four Hours? The lyrics are scary given the illness that Ian Curtis was suffering at the time & the fact he subsequently committed suicide. Very dark stuff, but still my favourite Joy Division song.

 

Decades and Eternal are fantastic (though Decades is slightly better than Eternal IMO because of the way it is more layered and unfolds more); but as I say above, those songs and the JD catalogue in general owe as much to Martin Hannett as to Curtis and co. From the synths to the overdubs to the simple insistence to slow everything down, his production values are all over the band's work. Without him, JD's songs would have sounded more like the early Warsaw era output.

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