funkymojo44 Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Lads, How much do you all rate Frazer? He's played in most of our games so far this season and seems to be pretty solid at full back. I'm just interested to hear opinions as a leeds fan on another foum noted him as a player who had loads of potential with leeds in the premiership and thought he'd flopped. I politely reminded him that he went on to Charlton where he was in the PFA team of the year for 09/10 in league 1, was bought by us and is now playing in a team regularly, who are pushing for promotion back to the premiership after a great start in the CCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 I've rated him since he joined. I think he is a really solid right back and was unfortunate to have got inured in pre season last year as he would've most probably got 40+ games for us last season. I don't get why people are constantly against him. We paid decent money for him (400k+) and he was in a team of the year. This doesn't make him 'poor' and i don't agree with the people who say 'Butterfield is way better'. Definite starter in my books and i'd be more than happy to see him as the regular for the rest of this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 A big disappointment for me. His defending is average at best but the biggest minus is his woeful distribution/crossing. How he got into the League One team of the season is - on what we have seen in a red and white shirt - a mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 A big disappointment for me. His defending is average at best but the biggest minus is his woeful distribution/crossing. How he got into the League One team of the season is - on what we have seen in a red and white shirt - a mystery. Unfortunately I agree with this. At the start of the summer I hoped we'd sign a right back as I don't think Butterfield or Richardson are good enough for a team with aspirations for the top spots. Seems NA had it in mind to strengthen the other full back position, which I thought with Harding and Dickson looked much stronger. He's not a bad player, by any stretch, but I'm yet to see a game with him in it where he's done better than "OK". Saying that, I thought he coped with Gradel well when we played Leeds this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 I'm surprised Butterfield has not been used more as he has different qualities to Richardson going forward. But Richardson is a good full back and defends well. So long as he keeps doing that well, he deserves his place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bentley Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 I think he's been good this season so far. I hope it continues. Not much more to say really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Frazer has one of the funniest running styles I've ever seen - it's more of a waddle I rate him reasonably well actually. Seems committed in the tackle and appears to get skinned less often than Harding does on the opposite flank. Not sure that his distribution is notably worse than our other potential first team full-backs. Perhaps he's not as likely to create something on the overlap, but our right-sided midfield options are strong enough to overcome that. In general I'd say he's unspectacular but handy to have on the bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintAndy14 Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 It's strange how opinions vary so much! I saw the Leicester game and Richardson was disappointing, however overall I have been happy having him in the team as RB. There are certainly weaker links in the team than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 I politely reminded him that he went on to Charlton where he was in the PFA team of the year for 09/10 in league 1, was bought by us and is now playing in a team regularly, who are pushing for promotion back to the premiership after a great start in the CCC. You could have also pointed out to him that Richardson was Leeds United captain and played 149 League games for them (87 of which were in the Championship or Premier League). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerceSaint28 Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 I think the crticism is bit harsh guys...i don't think Frazer has let anyone down and is pretty solid in the tackle and sound positioning. He does lack some pace and i admit that is something which saints in my opinion need to address accross the board if they want to improve. Whilst i would love to see a young right back with pace like Nathanial Clyne come in...and see Butters moved on, it doesn't seem in keeping with Saints approach to transfers this off season. I am pretty confused what their policy is to be honest as if you can get someone in who is better than what you already have, you should look at it, but saints seem to be fairing a bit by bit policy... We will see...it will be interesting to see how he fares against the likes of the better quicker wingers in the league like Kebe...by jan we will know for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Whilst i would love to see a young right back with pace like Nathanial Clyne come in... Now you're talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 His passing lets him down decent enough defender, resonably quick, just very poor with his final ball. I prefer Butters mainly becuase his passing seems better (though he's slower than Richardson). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 I rate him defensively and his physique is second to none, his crossing is very good and I don't know how people can slate that. He does get skinned every now and again but so does everyone. He can hit a decent crossfield ball too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Bald_Si Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 I like him. I don't know why, as he's not the greatest right back I've ever seen, but you can't doubt his commitment. also, I like the fact he's prepared to maraud forward to help the attack - we've had too many right backs of recent years that didn't go forward enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Generally ok last season, if unspectacular. To be honest the RB position worries me as neither FR or DB fill me with confidence. I was a little surprised that we invested in another LB when we had Harding & Dickson available to us, as the rb position was clearly the one more in need of improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 I like him. I don't know why, as he's not the greatest right back I've ever seen, but you can't doubt his commitment. also, I like the fact he's prepared to maraud forward to help the attack - we've had too many right backs of recent years that didn't go forward enough for me. As someone who recalls Golac surging forward,Richardson's efforts going over the halfway line do not merit a mention frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Mabes Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 A big disappointment for me. His defending is average at best but the biggest minus is his woeful distribution/crossing. How he got into the League One team of the season is - on what we have seen in a red and white shirt - a mystery. This is word for word what i think - well done that man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Mabes Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Sorry I should say this is based on last season as I missed the first 2 home games n Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 He's probably the weak link for me, not comfortble on the ball and seems a bit iffy defending. A shame we didn't go for a right back during the window rather than Fox IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Dodd was never that quick. And he got skinned just as much as other rb's. How many goals have come from his area of the pitch ?(frazer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Call me old fashioned, but i like my defenders to be able to defend which Richardson can certainly do. He has looked solid at right back this season and i think the critics are being a bit harsh. It seems Saints fans always need a scapegoat. It was recently Seaborne who had played well this season and also Hammond. It was not so long ago we had Lloyd James playing right back. Good going forward with a decent cross but couldn't defend for toffee. Before that Jermaine Wright................... Ostlund...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 He's poor IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firead Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Think he is good defender and I have to congratulate him about his manners and friendliness at the training session! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 like him and think apart from 45 mins in the leicester game, hes been good. With a sustained run in the team i think would get even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 On the times I saw him play last season, I thought he was very poor. I know he was injured for ages when he arrived, but for me, Butterfield was the best option. This season I haven't seen him play, but judging from the reports he's been a lot better. I was excited when we were linked with Clyne though, as I feel right back is one of the positions we'll need to strengthen if we want to progress. That said, he's still a good age, and can only get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Bald_Si Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 As someone who recalls Golac surging forward,Richardson's efforts going over the halfway line do not merit a mention frankly. Golac, of course, being "recent years" of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbojones10 Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 I like him, hes quite an old fashion rb, hes very good in air, not slow (like butterfield) and fits into the way we play, hes also built like a house, really wouldn't fancy running down the wing at him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Thought he was poor last season; but he's looked much better this season - powerful and mobile, if slightly erratic with his distribution, though he's got a v.decent cross. One problem is that he doesn't always get the cover he deserves from midfield but that's a cost of the style we've been playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 A big disappointment for me. His defending is average at best but the biggest minus is his woeful distribution/crossing. How he got into the League One team of the season is - on what we have seen in a red and white shirt - a mystery. Can I endorse this very accurate description...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Generally ok last season, if unspectacular. To be honest the RB position worries me as neither FR or DB fill me with confidence. I was a little surprised that we invested in another LB when we had Harding & Dickson available to us, as the rb position was clearly the one more in need of improvement. Totally agree with this & FF post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Golac, of course, being "recent years" of course Fair point, I must be getting old.... But Golac remains the standard by which I judge RB's !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 I don't think he defends that well but it's his passing that is absolutely shocking. He just seems to kick it out of play lots of the time. I agree that we should have signed a quality rb and a cb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 I thought he was too slow against Leeds and Millwall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 (edited) He was terrible against Millwall - Bouazza did him for pace, strength and power repeatedly - he nutmegged him a couple of times as well - and was given 3 clear shots on goal. Frasers positioning was terrible throughout the game. Sounds like he had a similarly bad game at Leicester as Cork was moved to right back to plug the gap. Saying that he was brilliant against Leeds and marked Gradel out of the game. Edited 8 September, 2011 by Rebel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landford.saint Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Ivan Golac, absolute legend..... Mad as a bucket of frogs, but his defending / forward runs were I agree the standard by which saints fans of a 'certain age' will judge all other RB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Lads, How much do you all rate Frazer? He's played in most of our games so far this season and seems to be pretty solid at full back. I'm just interested to hear opinions as a leeds fan on another foum noted him as a player who had loads of potential with leeds in the premiership and thought he'd flopped. I politely reminded him that he went on to Charlton where he was in the PFA team of the year for 09/10 in league 1, was bought by us and is now playing in a team regularly, who are pushing for promotion back to the premiership after a great start in the CCC. Hi Frazer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Clearly NA rates both our right backs as he made no attempt to get in a player in this position, in fact we had a very quiet summer in terms of transfers. I suppose by May we will know if it was right to make a modest improvement in the squad, with Cork being the mos significant of signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Clearly NA rates both our right backs as he made no attempt to get in a player in this position, in fact we had a very quiet summer in terms of transfers. I suppose by May we will know if it was right to make a modest improvement in the squad, with Cork being the mos significant of signings. Any opportunity to slip in an invitation to encourage enmity and induce discord between fans about "the lack of investment" Do you have any idea how transparent you are at trying your outmost in your sly 2-bit attempt at attacking the club again. You give "WUM" an embarrassingly sad name... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints67 Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 I have a feeling he will score on Saturday against Forest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Last season he was poor and butterfield was much better. This season he has been very good, specially vs leeds he had gradel in his back pocket, overall good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Butterfield is so slow its not true, hence I'd rather we play Richardson. He also offers a bit more height. He got mugged by Bouazzam, but he had Gradel in his pocket. Overall he has played well this season. I just wonder how long before the lad from Plymouth gets a chance. How far away is he from the first team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr27 Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 He doesn't get much protection to be honest, with Guly having a roaming role in front of him. A solid if unspectacular start to the season overall IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Butterfield is so slow its not true, hence I'd rather we play Richardson. He also offers a bit more height. He got mugged by Bouazzam, but he had Gradel in his pocket. Overall he has played well this season. I just wonder how long before the lad from Plymouth gets a chance. How far away is he from the first team? He is but at least he can pass to his own team. Richardson's cross field balls to no one are very frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Strange the number of people who think he's poor. His injury messed up preseason last year and he clearly never got up to speed with the rest of the squad - unsurprising given his sporadic appearances and tendency to whack long balls at Lambert all the time. This pre-season I thought he looked obviously fitter, sharper and stronger, and he made a number of good runs with the ball as well as looking less troubled by people running at him. His involvement in attacking play was a significant factor in our ability to pass the ball from the back in the first couple of games. He was decent against Leeds, and solid at Barnsley, not launching a ball in the air until Saints were down to 10 men late on at Oakwell. Haven't seen us kick a ball since then, but I have noticed others seeing flaws against Millwall and at Leicester he came off, so maybe he's let his level drop. I can't see Butterfield getting back in though, he was getting caned for pace a lot at the end of last season, particularly behind Guly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 9 September, 2011 Share Posted 9 September, 2011 A few people saying that RB more an issue of LB - has anyone got any stats on how many we concede and how many we create from the respective sides last season? Do Opta keep stats on L1? not that stats always give a true reflection but for me Richardson and Butterfield stronger than Harding and Dickson. Hopefully not any more now we have Fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanfairoak Posted 9 September, 2011 Share Posted 9 September, 2011 :[i have a feeling he will score on Saturday against Forest
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