reverse Racism

[sfc1971]

In the NHS workplace is rife. My Wife is considering leaving a job she has enjoyed for the last Twelve yrs. In the last few years in some Depts the British White worker has become the minority and other Ethnic groups are using this to their own advantage, This includes cleanliness, Being lazy, time off/Hols (the wife has worked 5 out of the last 6 Xmas and Boxing days because they refuse too even though most don`t even recognise Xmas) Shift patterns are often very unfair and Holidays have been taken and not been recorded, In one case a Indian pregnant Woman was put onto a three day week whilst a White Woman in the same Dept had to work 12hr day and night shifts. You cannot even complain without being accused of being a Racist.

All in all a so called Etnic minority employee knows they can get whatever they want and it will not come into question because of the race card but a White employee has to put up with whatever S**t is thrown at them.

It should be fair right across the board.

 

This post is in no way intended to be Racist.

[swannymere]

Two sides to every story and whilst i appreciate your wife is upset and angry surely the union rep. should be the first port of call and not a forum that has its share of right wingers waiting to throw the race card into every discussion. Seriously though, get her to speak to the union rep first.

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Is it 'reverse' racism, or is it just racism?

 

If everyone is equal then it is surely exactly the same as white people being racist to black people. Just because the norm here is the other way round doesn't make either any different IMO and obviously both forms are as despicable and unacceptable as the other.

[Huntingdon]

I disagree with swannymere's tone

 

This is happening in many areas of Britain, especially where immigration has had a huge impact

I think if the BNP got rid of Nick Griffin, who's a bit a buffoon, and replaced him an intelligent, articulate leader, they could easily become recognised as the UK's 4th Political Party

[holepuncture]

I understand it is absolutely rife within the Public Sector, in particular middle management in London. I have a few white middle class educated friends who have experienced this whilst seeking employment etc, and they wouldnt even bother going through it again, nor would they take the position if they were offered it for the reasons you mention (London scenario)!

 

That said, white middle classe Brits people are an ethnic minority in Central London so I suppose it is relative to the demographic?

 

We should also be greatful to the minorities that have come here with the neccessary medical qualifications to support the NHS. But as you suggest, maybe it as gone too far and an institutional monster is being created?

 

It dosent happen like this in the private sector, maybe she could go private health (think its called the 'dark side' or 'retiring' in that industry)?!

[Gemmel]

Is it 'reverse' racism, or is it just racism?

 

If everyone is equal then it is surely exactly the same as white people being racist to black people. Just because the norm here is the other way round doesn't make either any different IMO and obviously both forms are as despicable and unacceptable as the other.

 

I think the correct term is "Positive Discrimination"

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

...its PC gone mad......zzzzz

[ericofarabia]

I think the correct term is "Positive Discrimination"

 

Iz it cuz i iz white?

[so22saint]

my experience of having lived and work in London, Paris, Sydney, KL, HK, Boston, San Francisco, Auckland, Singapore etc. is that there are arseholes everywhere, whether they are white, black, brown, pink or yellow, male, female, gay or straight (or both). I sometimes wonder if the whole human race is actually united in common hatred of everybody else.

 

This forum bears out this theory...

[Spudders]

I disagree with swannymere's tone

 

This is happening in many areas of Britain, especially where immigration has had a huge impact

I think if the BNP got rid of Nick Griffin, who's a bit a buffoon, and replaced him an intelligent, articulate leader, they could easily become recognised as the UK's 4th Political Party

 

Hopefully these these guys will take the place of the BNP instead. Even if BNP got rid of Griffin, the party itself has already attracted too many people who share his views. From what I've seen on their website (and I have to admit I've not read through everything) this party seem to have some good ideas, without coming across all racist like the BNP.

 

http://britishfreedom.org/

[norwaysaint]

In the NHS workplace is rife. My Wife is considering leaving a job she has enjoyed for the last Twelve yrs. In the last few years in some Depts the British White worker has become the minority and other Ethnic groups are using this to their own advantage, This includes cleanliness, Being lazy, time off/Hols (the wife has worked 5 out of the last 6 Xmas and Boxing days because they refuse too even though most don`t even recognise Xmas) Shift patterns are often very unfair and Holidays have been taken and not been recorded, In one case a Indian pregnant Woman was put onto a three day week whilst a White Woman in the same Dept had to work 12hr day and night shifts. You cannot even complain without being accused of being a Racist.

All in all a so called Etnic minority employee knows they can get whatever they want and it will not come into question because of the race card but a White employee has to put up with whatever S**t is thrown at them.

It should be fair right across the board.

 

This post is in no way intended to be Racist.

 

Wouldn't reverse racism be treating everybody fairly regardless of colour? What you're complaining about is race discrimination.

 

What you are calling for is more political correctness in the workplace (ie less unfair discrimination). Well done, you have just joined the "PC brigade".

[Spudders]

What you are calling for is more political correctness in the workplace (ie less unfair discrimination). Well done, you have just joined the "PC brigade".

jesus, when did common sense become 'political correctness'?

[Special K]

Should just be best person for the job whether they're white, black, blue or green. None of those damn orange people though.

 

I do think too many companies worry though and may want some minorities, which isn't the minorities fault in itself, but doesn't really help anything overall. I don't think it's racist or reverse racist so much as just bloody stupid. Almost a fear of being seen as racist and a huge discomfort around the subject, rather than getting on with the job in hand.

 

So long as the original post is moaning about the recruitment and HR of the organisation and not generalising about any race, then I think it's fine to make that point.

 

I really hate seeing any special treatment for religious reasons though in any organisation. Shouldn't ever happen for any religion. IMO it's no different to letting your political or football club bias interfere with your work. Should be completely separate.

 

So you'll be working over christmas then?

[badgerx16]

I think the correct term is "Positive Discrimination"

To 'positively' discriminate in favour of one individual or group, you must implicitly 'negatively' discriminate against another.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

my two older brothers both work in the public sector in London, neither has ever mentioned racism in the workplace... not sure the claim that racism against whites is rife is that accurate.

[eurosaint]

My daughter was racially abused (verbally) by a minicab driver in London.

She called the police and was told that she had no chance of prosecution, she asked if it would have worked the other way around and was answered "probably love, I know it's wrong but that'sthe way it is" !

Ps. she is white, the driver was Asian !

[Thedelldays]

a mate of mine was arrested for dishing out 'racist abuse'

 

outside of a kebab house a few coloured lads were calling my mate, honky and white trash...right next to a couple of coppers..

when asking the coppers if they were going to do anything they said no...so my mate replied to some of their racist words with one of his own to them....he was arrested for it

 

any form of racism is wrong....now was have some american going on about some rooney law and bringing it over here...

[Verbal]

a mate of mine was arrested for dishing out 'racist abuse'

 

outside of a kebab house a few coloured lads were calling my mate, honky and white trash...right next to a couple of coppers..

when asking the coppers if they were going to do anything they said no...so my mate replied to some of their racist words with one of his own to them....he was arrested for it

 

any form of racism is wrong....now was have some american going on about some rooney law and bringing it over here...

 

This sounds like another one of your 'stories'.

[saintscottofthenortham]

One way ticket.

[Saint_clark]

Hopefully these these guys will take the place of the BNP instead. Even if BNP got rid of Griffin, the party itself has already attracted too many people who share his views. From what I've seen on their website (and I have to admit I've not read through everything) this party seem to have some good ideas, without coming across all racist like the BNP.

 

http://britishfreedom.org/

 

Very interesting, but some of their policies seem a bit off. For example on education - taking a grammar exam at age 11, if you pass you go to grammar school, if you fail you go to technical school to "learn trades and skills needed for life in a world of work". So if you fail the exam at age 11 you're already given up on.

[thesaint sfc]

Brown.

[Saint in Paradise]

A prominent Maori academic wants a cap on the number of white people migrating to New Zealand.

 

Auckland University's Margaret Mutu says they pose a threat to race relations.

 

Her comments appear in this morning's Sunday Star Times.

 

She says the number of people coming from South Africa, England and the United States should be restricted, as they bring attitudes destructive to Maori.

 

She says they bring an attitude of white supremacy.

 

The remarks follow a leaked Labour Department report, which found Maori are more likely to be against immigration than any other ethnic group.

Ms Mutu said Maori are generally supportive of immigration from Asian countries.

 

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/10182629/academic-wants-cap-on-white-migrants/

 

Auckland University is rejecting calls for it to sack academic Margaret Mutu over her call for "white" immigration to New Zealand to be limited.

 

The Maori studies department head caused a stir on Sunday when she called for a restriction on the number of white migrants from South Africa, England and the United States as they brought "an attitude of white supremacy" with them.

 

It led outspoken Ngapuhi elder David Rankin to call for Auckland Universityto sack her, but Auckland University vice-chancellor Professor Stuart McCutcheon says an academic's right to free speech is important.

 

"The vice-chancellor understands the concerns raised ... but believes very strongly in the right of academics to comment on issues in which they have expertise, even when those comments may be controversial," a statement from the university says.

 

Prof McCutcheon says the Education Act protects the right of academics to state controversial or unpopular opinions within the law.

"That is an important right in a free society," he said.

 

Prof Mutu was responding to a Labour Department report which says Maori are the most likely ethnic group to express anti-immigrant views.

 

Mr Rankin, who labelled Prof Mutu as a "champagne radical", says Auckland University is scared of her but they need to look at her position again.

"Margaret is an archetype bigot. She's constantly attacking white New Zealand," he told Newstalk ZB.

 

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/10188722/uni-wont-act-on-white-immigration-call/

 

 

Alas if I was to stand up and say things that some other race didn't like I bet I would be arrested and charged as that wouldn't be within the Law.

 

All very sad IMHO.

Edited 8 September, 2011 by Saint in Paradise

[TheCholulaKid]

my experience of having lived and work in London, Paris, Sydney, KL, HK, Boston, San Francisco, Auckland, Singapore etc. is that there are arseholes everywhere, whether they are white, black, brown, pink or yellow, male, female, gay or straight (or both). I sometimes wonder if the whole human race is actually united in common hatred of everybody else.

 

This forum bears out this theory...

 

Spot on mate. This really must be the arseholes thread.

[Junior Mullet]

So you'll be working over christmas then?

 

I seem to share a lot of Adrian's views about religion.

 

I will not be working over christmas but I will not be celebrating christmas either. Instead I see the time off in December as an old English / Pagan tradition - Yuletide / Winter festival etc which I think you'll find were practiced more widely together with summer festivals throughout England and the rest of Europe before Christianity adopted 25th December as the day to celebrate Christ's birth.

 

Hence you will find me eating, drinking and sitting on Santa's knee come December but you will not find me in church.

[ecuk268]

I disagree with swannymere's tone

 

This is happening in many areas of Britain, especially where immigration has had a huge impact

I think if the BNP got rid of Nick Griffin, who's a bit a buffoon, and replaced him an intelligent, articulate leader, they could easily become recognised as the UK's 4th Political Party

 

An intelligent articulate BNP member? Isn't that an oxymoron?

[Viking Warrior]

SFC1971 you are correct in what your saying. it is pretty rife in london and a few other major cities.

Its been happening since the early 90's. I witnessed it in Merton Sutton and wandsworth two job share chief executives were appointed . They certainly had a politically correct agenda and upset many staff including ethnic workers with their actins and thoughts Gemmel is right about positive discrimination also known as affirmative action. Unfortunatley their are arseoles that take this to the extreme . In the NHS you can blame a lot on NHS type quangos like the womens and ethnic units. I do not know if they still exist of have been rebranded bout they were certainly a force tbe reckoned with.

Public sectors are meant to have work force which reflects the society in which it is based. but not everyone wants t work for the NHS. There is good recruitment practice to be had in the NHS that is fair and reflective .

 

Finally the prudential have family friendly policies , How ever the priority is for employees with children to get first pick of holidays. My girlfriend has had to work over christmas for the last fifteen years , She has not be able to take a holiday. becuase she is single and has no children . Now if she had children she could have most christmas's and new year off.

[trousers]

Hence you will find me eating, drinking and sitting on Santa's knee come December but you will not find me in church.

 

Shame....

 

[norwaysaint]

Just to again re-iterate a common misconception on here.

 

Treating people differently and unfairly due to race is politically INCORRECT.

 

If you agree with the OP that people should be treated fairly regardless of race, you are calling for more political correctness.

 

Political correctness does't mean "making up silly rules" or even not discriminating, which would be ludicrous. It means not discriminating unfairly. Positive discrimination, where people are employed on grounds where proportions are deliberately brought into line without reference to merit, is politically incorrect, as it is more unfair discrimination to try to cover up for perceived unfair discrimination in the past.

[jawillwill]

Stupid Norwegian!

[Guest Dark Sotonic Mills]

I think the correct term is "Positive Discrimination"

 

No, the correct term is Discrimination.

[Special K]

I seem to share a lot of Adrian's views about religion.

 

I will not be working over christmas but I will not be celebrating christmas either. Instead I see the time off in December as an old English / Pagan tradition - Yuletide / Winter festival etc which I think you'll find were practiced more widely together with summer festivals throughout England and the rest of Europe before Christianity adopted 25th December as the day to celebrate Christ's birth.

 

Hence you will find me eating, drinking and sitting on Santa's knee come December but you will not find me in church.

 

Burn him, he's a witch.

[Ruffo]

Is some of the issue is that when people migrate to another country they fail to assimilate to the new country. Then this creates issues with local people as it has always been done that way - rightly or wrongly.

 

I personally enjoy the different cultures however there work ethics often frustrate me.

[Saintandy666]

Not the NHS I recognise.

[Baj]

Ive removed the "skin" from the below sentence to point out how ridiculous it sounds...

In one case a pregnant Woman was put onto a three day week whilst another Woman in the same Dept had to work 12hr day and night shifts.

 

Um...

[Golden Balls]

I agree with the 'If you're good enough for the job' statement.

 

I don't see why people get jobs based on their skin colour, gender, religion etc to 'make it fair'

 

For example, I heard on TalkSport a few times recently the presenters and guests going on about how there aren't enough balck managers in the game and that it could be down to racism within the game. Erm, no...if there was a black Alex Ferguson, do you think he wouldn't get a job just because he's black? Don't be silly.

 

I called in to make this point as well as point out that only 1.9% of our population is black and that there are 2 black managers in the 92 professional clubs. Therefore, it seems to have worked out just about right. Paul Ince agrees that if they're good enough, they'll get the job.

 

It's situations like that which will create racism IMO.

[Baj]

I agree with the 'If you're good enough for the job' statement.

 

I don't see why people get jobs based on their skin colour, gender, religion etc to 'make it fair'

 

For example, I heard on TalkSport a few times recently the presenters and guests going on about how there aren't enough balck managers in the game and that it could be down to racism within the game. Erm, no...if there was a black Alex Ferguson, do you think he wouldn't get a job just because he's black? Don't be silly.

 

I called in to make this point as well as point out that only 1.9% of our population is black and that there are 2 black managers in the 92 professional clubs. Therefore, it seems to have worked out just about right. Paul Ince agrees that if they're good enough, they'll get the job.

 

It's situations like that which will create racism IMO.

 

Hmm. Im not picking holes in your opinion, I agree with it. But I'm wondering what percentage of professional footballers playing in the top 4 divisions are black? Id guess its a lot higher than 1.9%

[um pahars]

Hmm. Im not picking holes in your opinion, I agree with it. But I'm wondering what percentage of professional footballers playing in the top 4 divisions are black? Id guess its a lot higher than 1.9%

 

Much higher, but management may be a generational thing in that 20 years ago there were less black players in the game. I think it will take it's time to work through, but I would hate to think we would be having the same discussion in 10/20 years time!!

[Baj]

Much higher, but management may be a generational thing in that 20 years ago there were less black players in the game. I think it will take it's time to work through, but I would hate to think we would be having the same discussion in 10/20 years time!!

Good point, lets hope not!

[Saintandy666]

Positive discrimination doesn't work. It attacks the symptoms, not the cause.