England 2011

[Gemmel]

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/874435-muslims-against-crusades-plan-protest-in-9-11-minute-s-silence

 

Makes me mad. Yes, there is an element of sensationalist journalism in there, but they will be there spouting their bile. I just don't understand why the Police let them, Inciting violence or whatever the charge is

[Verbal]

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/874435-muslims-against-crusades-plan-protest-in-9-11-minute-s-silence

 

Makes me mad. Yes, there is an element of sensationalist journalism in there, but they will be there spouting their bile. I just don't understand why the Police let them, Inciting violence or whatever the charge is

 

It makes you mad? Does it really? So how does it feel to be so successfully manipulated into having the reaction you have had by the amateur provocateur that is Anjem Choudray? Not too great, I'd guess.

[holepuncture]

maybe because they are far less developed than western beings... hundreds of years behind us in evolution, hence why they spout the bile, obsessed with hate, murder, death, oppress women, sharia nonsense, martyrs et al

 

just look at Libya etc, they are savage countries and generations behind the west...

 

or maybe they just dont like us!

[Baj]

Nice website though, the muslims against crusades one

[norwaysaint]

maybe because they are far less developed than western beings... hundreds of years behind us in evolution, hence why they spout the bile, obsessed with hate, murder, death, oppress women,

I've seen loads of people in Europe, in England and on this board who are filled with hate, spout bile, agree with a death penalty for crimes they are incensed by and who are oppressive in their approach to women.

 

sharia nonsense,

 

I noticed on the Echo website after seaborne was injured there were people calling for bringing back public flogging and similar for the people responsible.

 

Condemn these particular people certainly, but don't believe this is their culture and ours is in some way superior. they have idiots, we have idiots. It takes very little to bring them out, as has been seen by the level of people that have attached themselves to the EDL.

[Griffo]

C*nts. Let's be honest, it's not just Choudhary, there's thousands of the little f*ckers that support him or share similar views to him. I don't know how anyone can defend things like this.

[Turkish]

C*nts. Let's be honest, it's not just Choudhary, there's thousands of the little f*ckers that support him or share similar views to him. I don't know how anyone can defend things like this.

 

I am sure some of the liberal elite on here will.

[Block 18]

I am sure some of the liberal elite on here will.

 

which brings to the freedom of speech debate

[Turkish]

which brings to the freedom of speech debate

 

Sure does. If they are so opposed to the EDL then they should also be opposed to this lot. Cant see too many condemnations so far.

[Special K]

maybe because they are far less developed than western beings... hundreds of years behind us in evolution, hence why they spout the bile, obsessed with hate, murder, death, oppress women, sharia nonsense, martyrs et al

 

just look at Libya etc, they are savage countries and generations behind the west...

 

or maybe they just dont like us!

 

Alan B'Stard lives and breathes!!

[bridge too far]

http://school.maths.uwa.edu.au/~adrian/islam.html

[holepuncture]

That's a misunderstanding of evolution.

 

I like to stereotype and generalise, regardless of my own understandings

 

Nice website though, the muslims against crusades one

 

Well funded and optimised

 

Sure does. If they are so opposed to the EDL then they should also be opposed to this lot. Cant see too many condemnations so far.

 

in the long run, i suppose it might be the smart move, embrace the culture before you become the culture

[View From The Top]

Usual bol loxs spouted and the usual fools bite.

[Doctoroncall]

http://school.maths.uwa.edu.au/~adrian/islam.html

 

..?

[bridge too far]

..?

 

In response to Holepuncture's opinion that:

 

maybe because they are far less developed than western beings... hundreds of years behind us in evolution

 

[Jonnyboy]

in the long run, i suppose it might be the smart move, embrace the culture before you become the culture

 

You must live in fear. Poor fella.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Sure does. If they are so opposed to the EDL then they should also be opposed to this lot. Cant see too many condemnations so far.

 

Most people despise the EDL and Muslims against crusades to be fair and don't take either of them seriously as they are both extremist nutters. Don't think we have anyone on here stupid enough to be a member of either group. Not even the right wing members.

[Turkish]

Most people despise the EDL and Muslims against crusades to be fair and don't take either of them seriously as they are both extremist nutters. Don't think we have anyone on here stupid enough to be a member of either group. Not even the right wing members.

 

What about freeness of speech though? I thought we all believed in live and let live on here.

[View From The Top]

What about freeness of speech though? I thought we all believed in live and let live on here.

 

Same way we all said the EDL had a right to protest, despite their odious message and low IQ, so do the Islamic nutters, who are also odious and in possession of low foreheads.

 

I think you'll find it's only the rightwingers who fail to understand why if the EDL have a right to protest, so do the Islamic loons.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

lol the usual idiotic "liberal elite" nonsense. I don't think I've ever read someone on here defending the viewpoint of nutters like Choudray. If they want to protest peacefully and it is unlikely to incite violence then I fine with that. However, given the timing of this and the offensive nature of their message on this occasion then I'd suggest a police ban would be appropriate just as I agreed with the police banning the EDL from "protesting" in Tower Hamlets shortly after the riots had ceased.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

Is Turkish the poor man's Dune?

[solentstars]

Is Turkish the poor man's Dune?

 

God I did not realise their was someone poorer than dune lol

 

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[Griffo]

At the end of the day, the EDL aren't having a 'protest' to celebrate the deaths of hundreds of people.. They come nowhere close to being as bad as MDL/MAC.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

At the end of the day, the EDL aren't having a 'protest' to celebrate the deaths of hundreds of people.. They come nowhere close to being as bad as MDL/MAC.

 

While that is true, that's irrelevant if you believe in freedom of speech.

[SuperMikey]

Same argument as always - it always comes back to freedom of speech. I oppose their reason for protesting, but I support their right to protest.

 

As for the person who said a police ban might be a good option - just imagine the uproar. It would be far more trouble than it's worth to forcefully stop them protesting.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

Same argument as always - it always comes back to freedom of speech. I oppose their reason for protesting, but I support their right to protest.

 

As for the person who said a police ban might be a good option - just imagine the uproar. It would be far more trouble than it's worth to forcefully stop them protesting.

 

I guess the police will weigh up whether a ban is more trouble than its worth.

[Hamilton Saint]

I don't think I'll turn on the radio or TV on Sep. 11th. Too much crap all round to deal with. Better to deal with it in dignified silence.

Edited 7 September, 2011 by Hamilton Saint

[SuperMikey]

I guess the police will weigh up whether a ban is more trouble than its worth.

 

They can barely police a football match, the ham-fisted attempts at policing during recent mass protests (Student, Cuts, War, Riots) illustrate that the police need better training and funding to deal with situations like these. This could be very volatile should it go ahead.

[Frank's cousin]

Same way we all said the EDL had a right to protest, despite their odious message and low IQ, so do the Islamic nutters, who are also odious and in possession of low foreheads.

 

I think you'll find it's only the rightwingers who fail to understand why if the EDL have a right to protest, so do the Islamic loons.

 

THIS: If as a society we feel we are mature enough and civilised enough to embrace concepts such as freedom of speech, it has to be the same for everyone. As much as I despise such extremists as the EDL or MAC, if we let one lot spout their ignorant, hateful bile, we have to let the others.

 

Personally, despite being what some on here might call a 'liberal', I would ban them both. With freedom comes responsibility - a civilised culture is one that is mature enough to be tolerent and accepting of ALL, so those that chose to undermine this with their hateful bile obviously dont have either the maturity, intelligence or education to understand the responsibilty that comes with freedom and should not be allowed to spread this hate filled agenda.

[trousers]

It can only be a good thing that 'non-western extremists' (Muslims in this case) are embracing a concept such as 'free speech'.

 

The more 'Western' ideals they extol the better as this will lead to greater integration of society.

[dubai_phil]

It can only be a good thing that 'non-western extremists' (Muslims in this case) are embracing a concept such as 'free speech'.

 

The more 'Western' ideals they extol the better as this will lead to greater integration of society.

 

Yeah unfortunately when those advocating "free speech" get into power, strangely that is one of the first "ideals" that they forget

[AndyNorthernSaints]

At the end of the day, the EDL aren't having a 'protest' to celebrate the deaths of hundreds of people.. They come nowhere close to being as bad as MDL/MAC.

 

They are just as stupid though. Choudray has only about 20 fellow nutters who follow him.

Had to laugh at the EDL Leader dressing up as a Rabbi in disguise to try and avoid getting caught breaking his bail conditions at thier latest demo. He is now on hunger strike. At least he will be safe from those muslamic ray guns on remand.

[ecuk268]

maybe because they are far less developed than western beings... hundreds of years behind us in evolution, hence why they spout the bile, obsessed with hate, murder, death, oppress women, sharia nonsense, martyrs et al

 

just look at Libya etc, they are savage countries and generations behind the west...

 

or maybe they just dont like us!

 

Didn't do history at school then?

 

The Euphrates delta was the birthplace of education and learning.

 

They were doing literature, maths, science and agriculture around 2-3000 BC when the natives of these shores were running around in animal skins trying to catch enough wildlife to keep from starving.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

Didn't do history at school then?

 

The Euphrates delta was the birthplace of education and learning.

 

They were doing literature, maths, science and agriculture around 2-3000 BC when the natives of these shores were running around in animal skins trying to catch enough wildlife to keep from starving.

 

Not to mention the Greek and Roman writings on medicene and philosophy that were preserved by the Arab world during what were the 'dark ages' in Europe, the rediscovery of which kick-started the Renaissance.

[Spudders]

Nice website though, the muslims against crusades one

 

Well funded and optimised

 

Maybe they charge user £6 (that additional £1 makes all the difference).