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He has a house in Chandlers Ford, well documented on this site, bought a few months back, because it sparked one of those 'oh so original and never gets boring' threads about him possibly coming back to Saints.

 

Thanks for saving me the bother of having to trawl through so many original and interesting threads to find this out :rolleyes:

 

Where does Rudi Skacel live ;)

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The9

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He absolutely has something to offer and for the umpteenth time, he'd enjoy one last hurrah here, in surroundings where he is familiar.

 

Then again, Saints Web have spoken and they don't want him.

 

Has he feck, he was a has-been by the time we sold him.

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I think some players will just do it at some clubs. If Beattie was signing for Blackpool again, I wouldn't be sure he'd be any good. I'd judge him on his recent record.

 

But signing for us I really think he'd give it his all and be playing with a smile on his face. I don't know why, but I'm 90% sure he'd be a huge success here in the short term.

 

make that +1

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He was a good top flight striker when we sold him, did alright his second season as Everton and then was terrific for Sheff Utd and albeit in the short term, terrific for Stoke in his first few months.

 

He's struggled since but look at the stats and it's clear he just hasn't played enough games.

 

I would say it's clear that apart from a freakish 16 game 7 goal half season revival with Stoke in 2008/9 he hasn't done anything like as well in the Prem as he did in the last full season before we sold him - even the season we sold him he only scored 5 in 24 matches. His Championship stats are pretty much what you'd expect from a player dropping into the League below, but that was 5 years ago.

 

His 35 games and 2 goals for Everton in 2006/7, and his 24 games and 2 goals for Stoke the season AFTER playing 16 games and getting 7 suggest it's not about the number of games he plays. 0 in 19 for Rangers is particularly unimpressive, I reckon I could beat that.

 

Year	Pld	Goals	Goal/Pld	Pld/Goal	Lge	Team
2000/1	42	12	0.29	3.50	EPL	Sot
2001/2	31	14	0.45	2.21	EPL	Sot
2002/3	49	24	0.49	2.04	EPL	Sot
2003/4	45	17	0.38	2.65	EPL	Sot
2004/5	11	3	0.27	3.67	EPL	Sot
2004/5	13	2	0.15	6.50	EPL	Eve
2005/6	38	11	0.29	3.45	EPL	Eve
2006/7	35	2	0.06	17.50	EPL	Eve
2007/8	41	22	0.54	1.86	Chm	ShU
2008/9	24	12	0.50	2.00	Chm	ShU
2008/9	16	7	0.44	2.29	EPL	Stk
2009/10	24	2	0.08	12.00	EPL	Stk
2010/11	19	0	0.00	0.00	SPL	Rng

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Jimmy Gabriel's Halo

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I would say it's clear that apart from a freakish 16 game 7 goal half season revival with Stoke in 2008/9 he hasn't done anything like as well in the Prem as he did in the last full season before we sold him - even the season we sold him he only scored 5 in 24 matches. His Championship stats are pretty much what you'd expect from a player dropping into the League below, but that was 5 years ago.

 

His 35 games and 2 goals for Everton in 2006/7, and his 24 games and 2 goals for Stoke the season AFTER playing 16 games and getting 7 suggest it's not about the number of games he plays. 0 in 19 for Rangers is particularly unimpressive, I reckon I could beat that.

Year	Pld	Goals	Goal/Pld	Pld/Goal	Lge	Team
2000/1	42	12	0.29	3.50	EPL	Sot
2001/2	31	14	0.45	2.21	EPL	Sot
2002/3	49	24	0.49	2.04	EPL	Sot
2003/4	45	17	0.38	2.65	EPL	Sot
2004/5	11	3	0.27	3.67	EPL	Sot
2004/5	13	2	0.15	6.50	EPL	Eve
2005/6	38	11	0.29	3.45	EPL	Eve
2006/7	35	2	0.06	17.50	EPL	Eve
2007/8	41	22	0.54	1.86	Chm	ShU
2008/9	24	12	0.50	2.00	Chm	ShU
2008/9	16	7	0.44	2.29	EPL	Stk
2009/10	24	2	0.08	12.00	EPL	Stk
2010/11	19	0	0.00	0.00	SPL	Rng

 

So could those apes in Monkey world.

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Crazy Diamond

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I cannot understand why people want him back. His time has come and gone, it is as simple as that.

 

The fact he still lives in the area and did well for us once upon a time are not good enough reasons to have him back. We did well to get the goals out of him we did, let alone the £6 million transfer fee.

 

I thought he played one or two games at Rangers, I can't believe it was as many as 19 and he didn't get a single goal. That's absolutely woeful. And let's say we did sign him and we were promoted, would we keep him out of loyalty to him? Would we have him in our squad where on evidence he'd score next to no goals in a totally pointless move?

 

We need to look to the future, not the past. I'm glad some people on this board aren't responsible for transfers at our Club, God knows where we'd be.

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I would say it's clear that apart from a freakish 16 game 7 goal half season revival with Stoke in 2008/9 he hasn't done anything like as well in the Prem as he did in the last full season before we sold him - even the season we sold him he only scored 5 in 24 matches. His Championship stats are pretty much what you'd expect from a player dropping into the League below, but that was 5 years ago.

 

His 35 games and 2 goals for Everton in 2006/7, and his 24 games and 2 goals for Stoke the season AFTER playing 16 games and getting 7 suggest it's not about the number of games he plays. 0 in 19 for Rangers is particularly unimpressive, I reckon I could beat that.

 

Year	Pld	Goals	Goal/Pld	Pld/Goal	Lge	Team
2000/1	42	12	0.29	3.50	EPL	Sot
2001/2	31	14	0.45	2.21	EPL	Sot
2002/3	49	24	0.49	2.04	EPL	Sot
2003/4	45	17	0.38	2.65	EPL	Sot
2004/5	11	3	0.27	3.67	EPL	Sot
2004/5	13	2	0.15	6.50	EPL	Eve
2005/6	38	11	0.29	3.45	EPL	Eve
2006/7	35	2	0.06	17.50	EPL	Eve
2007/8	41	22	0.54	1.86	Chm	ShU
2008/9	24	12	0.50	2.00	Chm	ShU
2008/9	16	7	0.44	2.29	EPL	Stk
2009/10	24	2	0.08	12.00	EPL	Stk
2010/11	19	0	0.00	0.00	SPL	Rng

 

This

 

Unfortunately people are blinded by his one good season for us, and although I enjoyed it massively I still looked at Beattie even during that season as particularly uninspiring.

 

He has never been a partcularly talented player TBH, he just hit a purple patch.

 

The9, I agree with you and Crabby, for once I think you have got this issue wrong, how old is he now anyways ?? We should be looking towards the future, not a shady past.

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Has been at Sheff Utd? Has been at Stoke? Hmmm, don't think so.

 

He wasn't massively successful TBH and the Everton debarcle was never brilliant. He had decent seasons in the Championship when he would have been in his peak (according to many) but as I said, he was never a player I looked at as our best player, he just had a season where everything hit the goal.

 

I would never ever want him back, full of his own importance that was probably bred by the unwarranted hero worship he got from us lot.

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I cannot understand why people want him back. His time has come and gone, it is as simple as that.

 

The fact he still lives in the area and did well for us once upon a time are not good enough reasons to have him back. We did well to get the goals out of him we did, let alone the £6 million transfer fee.

 

I thought he played one or two games at Rangers, I can't believe it was as many as 19 and he didn't get a single goal. That's absolutely woeful. And let's say we did sign him and we were promoted, would we keep him out of loyalty to him? Would we have him in our squad where on evidence he'd score next to no goals in a totally pointless move?

 

We need to look to the future, not the past. I'm glad some people on this board aren't responsible for transfers at our Club, God knows where we'd be.

 

Sorry, I'm going to do an MLG impersonation...........

 

The 19 appearances last season are broken down into:

 

Rangers - 6 starts 4 sub

B'pool - 5 starts 4 sub

 

So not quite as bad as it sounds, but still zero goals from 19 appearances last season.

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Sorry, I'm going to do an MLG impersonation...........

 

The 19 appearances last season are broken down into:

 

Rangers - 6 starts 4 sub

B'pool - 5 starts 4 sub

 

So not quite as bad as it sounds, but still zero goals from 19 appearances last season.

 

I forgive you. But I still don't think James Beattie should play for us again.

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Pat from Poole

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Monkey World ?

I've been there.

Boring.

It's just, like, full of apes.

 

I believe Monkey Business to be a big indoor play-area type place. There's one of them at Tower Park up the road from me, anyway. As for Beattie, would happily have him back, but he's probably about 8 years too old for Cortese to want to sign him.

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I'd say he fits the profile in the same way as Connolly - good player for free who has a lot to prove in form and fitness.

 

 

Spot on, i saw him with his missus and kids at victoria country park in netley and he was running around chasing his kids like an 18 year old. So he is probably just not match fit.

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Has been at Sheff Utd? Has been at Stoke? Hmmm, don't think so.

 

Supposed Prem Player playing in the Championship scores goals for a while unshock.

 

He did well for 16 matches at Stoke, then followed that up with a goal every 12 matches the following season for them. Overall Stoke scoring record 9 goals in 40 matches over 2 years. The last full season before we sold him to Everton, he got 17 in 45 games for Saints. The two figures aren't comparable.

 

It is statistically proven above that Saints had his best years, 2001/2 and 2002/3 2.21 and 2.04 games per goal in the Premier League, even his 2008/9 Stoke blip was only 2.29. You can't reasonably compare scoring every 1.86 or 2 games in the Championship with his seasons with Saints in the Prem.

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Why was that 'freakish' when he was clearly in good scoring form before? And why are we suddenly only talking premiership, when we clearly aren't in this premiership?

 

It was freakish because that 16 game burst was the only time he came close to the near 2 games per goal peak 2002-4 period at Saints in the top division in 6 years since Saints sold him. The season after he scored one every 12 matches.

 

We're talking about whether he was a has-been when we sold him, which the stats show he basically was. He didn't approach his previous scoring levels at any point with the exception of a spell in the Championship (has-been level for a one-time top scoring Prem striker) and a blip for Stoke on the back of that scoring run.

 

As far as Championship pedigree goes, it's over 2 years since he attained that level, he's only scored 2 goals anywhere since and he's 33 - it would be at best a gamble, he's unlikely to stay productive for long even if he does start scoring, and I suspect some people at the club might have their opinions on whether he'd fit our profile. I should think his wages would rule it out as well.

 

Beattie's success at Saints was entirely down to his fitness level and ability to run for everything to get into scoring positions - he wasn't tricky, he didn't beat people and he scored a lot of straightforward goals - if he can reach those fitness levels again he'd be a success. But he hasn't done that for anyone since he stopped being managed by Strachan.

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Don't really think you can make any comparisons between goal scoring records in different leagues or even different clubs for that matter unless the player is playing exactly the same role in the same formation/playing style.

 

I'd be far more interested in a goals per scoring opportunity ratio as a mark of a striker's true quality. Does OPTA or anyone else keep those stats?

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I cannot understand why people want him back. His time has come and gone, it is as simple as that.

 

The fact he still lives in the area and did well for us once upon a time are not good enough reasons to have him back. We did well to get the goals out of him we did, let alone the £6 million transfer fee.

 

I thought he played one or two games at Rangers, I can't believe it was as many as 19 and he didn't get a single goal. That's absolutely woeful. And let's say we did sign him and we were promoted, would we keep him out of loyalty to him? Would we have him in our squad where on evidence he'd score next to no goals in a totally pointless move?

 

We need to look to the future, not the past. I'm glad some people on this board aren't responsible for transfers at our Club, God knows where we'd be.

 

Appreciate you don't want him to come back, but I really can't see what harm it could do.

 

If someone was asking say 2-3 million for him, then of course the answer would be no - I wouldn't dream of suggesting otherwise. But the fact is he's a free agent, he knows the area well and he could come back and be part of something potentially very good at the club.

 

The big if is clearly his fitness as his track record shows that when he is not firing on all cylinders he struggles badly. But he's hardly in a strong bargaining position at the moment; if he was to ask for silly money to return then it's hardly likely we would agree to it anyway.

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If Sheff Utd in League 1 say he has a fitness issue and mulling the prospect over, then why would Saints, playing at a higher level be at all interested?

 

Well past the good times!

 

Sheff Utd are undecided on him...Therefor he isn't good enough for us. He still has a place down this neck of the woods and visits often. I'm sure he still loves it when we win etc but his time has gone.

 

Close thread.

 

Sheffield United are in financial trouble and didnt even manage to offload players like Ched Evans who are on huge wages. They would not even be able to afford to sign Beattie so not sure where you got this from.

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