RonManager Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 Sunday Fail reports that he is conscious and able to talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red and White Russ Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 My little big brother (6ft 5" at 16) and his mate were mugged last night, his mate has been taken to hospital with serious head injury after being knocked out and hitting his head as he fell. What the **** is up with this country. The problem with this country is that we are too soft on criminal acts, so the perpetrators just carry on doing these things. I hope your brother and his mate make full recoveries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 Quote Originally Posted by saintscottofthenortham My little big brother (6ft 5" at 16) and his mate were mugged last night, his mate has been taken to hospital with serious head injury after being knocked out and hitting his head as he fell. What the **** is up with this country. Sorry to hear your brother/mate hope they are OK soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opthomps Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 My little big brother (6ft 5" at 16) and his mate were mugged last night, his mate has been taken to hospital with serious head injury after being knocked out and hitting his head as he fell. What the **** is up with this country. I have been out of the country for near 3 years. in that time i lost a mate in this way. one punch to the face, cracked skull on kerb and instantly died. lad from dewsbury on a night out in sheffield was the perpetrator. After the attack he went on to a brothel, and then next day turned himself in. unprovoked attack outside a bar. the guy got 3 years for it, which i found to be far too soft I return this month, and to be honest am feeling quite apprehensive hearing all this stuff. I always believed that trouble only found those looking for it, but not sure about that these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 I see later Trousers agrees with him which probably consigns the comment to the bin where it belongs. The almighty SaintsWeb Forum Opinion Police have spoken. Sigh. (edit: looking back, I agree with elements of the post in question, but not all of it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 I return this month, and to be honest am feeling quite apprehensive hearing all this stuff. I always believed that trouble only found those looking for it, but not sure about that these days. I wouldn't worry too much, as someone intelligently pointed out here the reason why these things are shocking is because they don't happen often. Yes i'd say bits of Southampton are a lot rougher, but you're VERY unlikely to get into a row on a night out if you have any brains (not to say those that do don't btw). Most of these comments about how bad it's got are knee jerk reactions, mainly because people naturally talk about the bad, shocking, amazing in life. The reality is most nights will be fairly normal, almost dull for 99% of the population. To be honest if you ignore the press (of all hues) and just get on with life the world seems a lot less scary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 The almighty SaintsWeb Forum Opinion Police have spoken. Sigh. (edit: looking back, I agree with elements of the post in question, but not all of it.) I can only comment on what you wrote not what you meant. In my opinion the original post was garbage and you agreed with it. Sigh as much as you want but I think a review of your previous posts on the forum and the responses they generated might prove more useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 Back on topic, there are two important things here. First, to hope Dan Seaborne will make a complete and total recovery, enabling him to carry on his football career and if not, that he recovers well enough to live a normal life. Second, to hope that the person responsible is identified with sufficient evidence for a successful prosecution. What will improve safety for all of us is that people who do these things are caught and prosecuted. The greatest deterrent to criminal behaviour is not the potential sentence, but is the prospect of being caught. As with the riots, people do these things more readily if they expect to get away with it. A harsh sentence is meaningless if you can't bring the criminals to court in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 There is perhaps a third thing - that the person responsible should not only be prosected but shoulkd be required to compensate Dan Seaborne for the situation he is already in, and for any future loss. If that means taking all that person's assets sobeit, and if it means hanging a debt on them for years to come or for life, that too. If this were to affect Dan for the rest of his life it should affect the person who did it for life as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 There is perhaps a third thing - that the person responsible should not only be prosected but shoulkd be required to compensate Dan Seaborne for the situation he is already in, and for any future loss. If that means taking all that person's assets sobeit, and if it means hanging a debt on them for years to come or for life, that too. If this were to affect Dan for the rest of his life it should affect the person who did it for life as well. Good way to criminalise someone for life too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waggy Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 There is perhaps a third thing - that the person responsible should not only be prosected but shoulkd be required to compensate Dan Seaborne for the situation he is already in, and for any future loss. If that means taking all that person's assets sobeit, and if it means hanging a debt on them for years to come or for life, that too. If this were to affect Dan for the rest of his life it should affect the person who did it for life as well. In Germany if you injure another person by whatever means whether it be by accident or on purpose you are laible for all compensation. If the injured person is disabled for life you, as the cause of that injury, pick up the tab for their new lifestyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 All being well he is due to be released from hospital shortly. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2441051,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clash City Saint Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 My little big brother (6ft 5" at 16) and his mate were mugged last night, his mate has been taken to hospital with serious head injury after being knocked out and hitting his head as he fell. What the **** is up with this country. Sorry to hear that mate, hope they both make a full recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 All being well he is due to be released from hospital shortly. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2441051,00.html Great news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 The problem with this country is that we are too soft on criminal acts, so the perpetrators just carry on doing these things. I hope your brother and his mate make full recoveries. Whilst I don't disagree that this country is too soft, that's not really the main problem in my opinion. The main problem is that for some reason people feel the need to cause trouble in the first place! I have never in my life felt the need to actively go and look for trouble, mug someone or whatever. This is nothing to do with a fear of punishment. I just don't have any urges/motivation (whatever you want to call it), to do that sort of thing. I can't even begin to understand what motivates these kind of people, or why it's becoming more commonplace? I don't really get where this total lack of respect comes from these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 There is perhaps a third thing - that the person responsible should not only be prosected but shoulkd be required to compensate Dan Seaborne for the situation he is already in, and for any future loss. If that means taking all that person's assets sobeit, and if it means hanging a debt on them for years to come or for life, that too. If this were to affect Dan for the rest of his life it should affect the person who did it for life as well. It would be sensible to wait and see who did what. Who threw the first punch is important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 Whilst I don't disagree that this country is too soft, that's not really the main problem in my opinion. The main problem is that for some reason people feel the need to cause trouble in the first place! I have never in my life felt the need to actively go and look for trouble, mug someone or whatever. This is nothing to do with a fear of punishment. I just don't have any urges/motivation (whatever you want to call it), to do that sort of thing. I can't even begin to understand what motivates these kind of people, or why it's becoming more commonplace? I don't really get where this total lack of respect comes from these days? Your post could start a thread in itself. Genuine question: Is violent crime becoming more commonplace or is more often reported (to the police and in the media) now? Is there just a continual decline of behaviour from the previous generation? (as in, kids go through their teens hearing about rucks and suchlike which were maybe extremely uncommon but believe that they are the norm). Maybe the fact that that from the top to bottom of our society there is a disrespect for authority and a feeling that the law is for other people means that different people break the law in their own different ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 You’re right, it is a complicated debate which in itself probably could have its own thread. I can’t answer the question re violent crime and I’m sure that a search could rake up stats that say crime is getting more common, whereas I guess there’ll also be some stats elsewhere saying (as you say) that it’s just more often reported. But I think pretty much everyone of us can see that the number of people that have less respect for others these days is on the up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 You’re right, it is a complicated debate which in itself probably could have its own thread. I can’t answer the question re violent crime and I’m sure that a search could rake up stats that say crime is getting more common, whereas I guess there’ll also be some stats elsewhere saying (as you say) that it’s just more often reported. But I think pretty much everyone of us can see that the number of people that have less respect for others these days is on the up. Sadly I agree. Sadly I also think that while most of us would agree on the symptoms, there would be strong and heated disagreement on the causes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 Sorry to hear that mate, hope they both make a full recovery. Cheers mate. Hope all is good your end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 Would all this be from your reliable source Mr. Bull****? Wow! You've a winning personality. Bad day? Picked last for the playground football team or some other explanation for your warm & enigmatic charisma?! LOL Don't tell me - another angry man that doesn't like conversation yer frequents an interest CHAT forum to "converse"!! LMAO *sigh* You know the solution... It's hardly breaking the enigma code to hear of a nightclub related incident, esp. considering my social activities & second profession. You should try socialising. You might enjoy it & make a friend. Back on track, not read the multiple pages yet but it's good to know Dan's more stable. No need for such violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 In the eighties I didn't go to Southampton too much - especially Friday and Saturday nights. With a farm-boys voice and not being from the area there was a good chance I would get duffed over for 'exisiting'. I know my mates who were braver than me often got into bother - I've no idea if they started or were innocent but I found night clubs and pubs in towns generally a bit dodgy at times. Having said that we did though because coming from the villages there weren't many girls around - so the city was were they were....not that I was very successful at that either. I am an utter coward and frightened of my own shadow though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 You have your opinion mockles so unles you were there you do not have a scooby of what went on just third hand loose gossip. Get well Dan the team needs you. Also There tends to be a few hot heads employed in the world of Bouncers. Not my favourite species I was man handled and thrown out of wetherspoons in Cardiff for taking photos of our fans prior to the FA cup final against arse I was at the top of stairs said it was for health and safety reasons. got thrown out after 1 pint and one of them hit me on the side of the head as they threw me out with my long term arsenal friend Knunts Why would I not have a clue what happened? I wasn't there but have friends who were. Friends I know & trust. I can't speak for the integrity of your friends but I can mine. Believe what you like. I don't need to justify it. It's a comment. Try not to let it bother you too much. Ahhh, the internet warriors. Gotta laugh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 (edited) I think this one night on the beers could indeed affect his performance for some time to come. Totally missing the point made by the poster who I agreed with. Players don't have to live in recluse. Should you stay in all week to avoid getting mugged?! No. You can't account for everything & in this case, Dan didn't really make a good bed to lie in regardless of my viewpoint. Edited 4 September, 2011 by Gordon Mockles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 In the eighties I didn't go to Southampton too much - especially Friday and Saturday nights. With a farm-boys voice and not being from the area there was a good chance I would get duffed over for 'exisiting'. I know my mates who were braver than me often got into bother - I've no idea if they started or were innocent but I found night clubs and pubs in towns generally a bit dodgy at times. Having said that we did though because coming from the villages there weren't many girls around - so the city was were they were....not that I was very successful at that either. I am an utter coward and frightened of my own shadow though. They always have been mate. I grew up in Winchester and was a teenager in the 80's - there was always bother between the locals and the squaddies from Worthy Down back then. Many a time i found myself in the middle of a punch up outside the Vine or the Bakers. Didn't want to be there though!! However, these days it seems as though people get more seriously injured in punch ups than back then, which i can't figure out why? I was jumped by 3 blokes one night and beaten up, even taking a couple of kicks to the head, but it didn't do any long term damage (some posters may disagree!). But go out in Winch nowadays and it's generally a lot quieter and with a helluva lot less agro. Anyway, i'm rambling on now. Hope Dan makes a full recovery and is back in the red and white as soon as he can make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 This is bad news and our thoughts are with him and his family. I did not realise it was the bouncers who beat him up I'm not aware anyone has said bouncers had beat anyone up. Seaborne "allegedly" slapped a member of the door staff, was warned about doing it again, then was "allegedly" hit/ejected after "allegedly" slapping a member of staff for a second time. What happened after he was ejected, I do not know. We know the results. I'm sure there were many witnesses outside. It's a busy area in the evening. I added "allegedly" to appease the cyber numpties on here who tend to froth at the mouth & bust veins towards anyone uttering anything about our players/club. "YOU'RE ALL LIARS YOU! ALL OF YOU!! SOURCE! SOURCE???"* wild banshee eyes* LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 They always have been mate. I grew up in Winchester and was a teenager in the 80's - there was always bother between the locals and the squaddies from Worthy Down back then. Many a time i found myself in the middle of a punch up outside the Vine or the Bakers. Didn't want to be there though!! However, these days it seems as though people get more seriously injured in punch ups than back then, which i can't figure out why? I was jumped by 3 blokes one night and beaten up, even taking a couple of kicks to the head, but it didn't do any long term damage (some posters may disagree!). But go out in Winch nowadays and it's generally a lot quieter and with a helluva lot less agro. Anyway, i'm rambling on now. Hope Dan makes a full recovery and is back in the red and white as soon as he can make it. Agreed Southampton City Centre was considerably more violent late 70's early 80's the only difference being the Police turned a blind eye to it and it wasnt reported in the local press (unless it was very serious) so the wetbehindtheears brigade didnt know about and so couldnt moan about it..... "my whats the world coming to ! " ....."didnt happen in my day" ..Thats because you never went out ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 There is perhaps a third thing - that the person responsible should not only be prosected but shoulkd be required to compensate Dan Seaborne for the situation he is already in, and for any future loss. If that means taking all that person's assets sobeit, and if it means hanging a debt on them for years to come or for life, that too. If this were to affect Dan for the rest of his life it should affect the person who did it for life as well. Please expand on this further, so that we can know what the full implications are to be of your proposal. Do you actually mean that Dan as a highly paid footballer should be compensated at a level commensurate with his loss of earnings for the future? Should that be on a scale dependent on his age and therefore the average remaining years that he might have as a footballer? Therefore, taking these thoughts onwards, should a fourth division footballer receive less than the Manchester City first teamer? And presumably the well paid footballer will receive far more compensation than the nurse, the teacher, the fireman? Or will it be a flat rate for everybody? And should this compensation be reduced if by his actions, the complainant was responsible for bringing the attack on himself? You see the complications of administrating a a scheme like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 Get well soon, Dan. Stay out of nightclubs, folks. They are mainly horrible, aggressive places, where it's too easy to fall victim to a knuckle-dragging moron. Well, they're not are they. Ridiculous, sweeping generalisation. Unless you go in some complete dive, worst still in Portsmouth or Hackney. I've been clubbing & playing at clubs for 18 years collectively & can count on one hand the amount of trouble we've had as a peer group. We have always gone out to enjoy ourselves & we're friendly to everyone we meet. For the record, I'm not the biggest fan of doormen & particularly some of the young Albanians I've encountered but they're not all bad. They're supposedly there for your security. I'm not keen on the staff Junk use. However, Orange & Pop are some of the most professional in town. Some people are over-reacting & missing the point. It's nice to come back from a weekend & find out Dan's improved & not in a critical condition & let's hope those detained by Hants Conts. are penalised accordingly. People need to ensure who actually carried out the assault before condemning factions. It may be door staff, it may be a disgruntled drinker, rival supporter, anyone. I am aware of a fracas upon Seaborne being ejected from Junk but that was before the more serious assault. That's how I understood it. I'm sure the police will easily resolve this nasty assault & let's hope Dan can return to football. Heart breaking for him & his family if not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 4 September, 2011 Share Posted 4 September, 2011 It's ridiculous to tell anyone, footballers, models, celebrities...anyone to stay out of going to nightclubs with their friends and having a good time, just because there's a small chance you could get punched or mugged. I go out in Bristol 2/3 times a week for 2 years, and have only encountered hambags on 5 or 6 occasions and fights 1 or 2 times. I haven't been in any fights atall myself, and got punched by a bouncer at a notoriously dodgy club in the city that was hosting a Rugby social that particular night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 5 September, 2011 Share Posted 5 September, 2011 I'm a regular at Junk, and also used to be at Whitehouse too (where the Barnard incident took place) I’m out at least 7-8 times a month and have been going to Southampton for over 10 years, never been in a fight, never even been in a scuffle. While I have EVERY sympathy for Dan and understand it must be slightly different for a recognised footballer as you could be easily targeted, it’s not hard to stay out of or avoid trouble!! Indeed the handful of footballers I see out and about (not just Saints players) act like lords! Not at all suggesting this was the case with Danny, but if you want to avoid trouble it’s not hard Get well soon Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 5 September, 2011 Share Posted 5 September, 2011 Whilst I don't disagree that this country is too soft, that's not really the main problem in my opinion. The main problem is that for some reason people feel the need to cause trouble in the first place! I have never in my life felt the need to actively go and look for trouble, mug someone or whatever. This is nothing to do with a fear of punishment. I just don't have any urges/motivation (whatever you want to call it), to do that sort of thing. I can't even begin to understand what motivates these kind of people, or why it's becoming more commonplace? I don't really get where this total lack of respect comes from these days? Just read the responses between your post 419 and this one, see how aggressive some posters have to be ! I'd say over half of the posts on here have aggressive undertones, even some of mine, is it the nature of the beast? or is it the lack of discipline in the home/schools/courts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 5 September, 2011 Share Posted 5 September, 2011 Terribly sorry that my contribution to a general discussion on the merits of athletes socialising after this horrible incident doesn't meet with your approval and prompts your "respectful" abuse. This was aimed at those openly debating what should happen to the 'bouncers' - discussing punishments etc when at the time it was completly unclear what had happened, who was involved, so was total speculation and bull. I am no lawyer, but public debate of guilt and punishment in the media is the kind of thing that gets cases thrown out as impossible to provide a 'fair' Jury trial.... so the comment stands. In addition, I suspect that you know as well that whilst a proper discussion on the merits of 'athletes socializing' is one thing... starting it in this thread is suggestive of Dan having done something wrong or in part being responsible for what happened to him, at a time when NO facts were Known about anything... so yes on that front I stand by the comment as well. Have that discussion on another thread surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 5 September, 2011 Share Posted 5 September, 2011 Due to my work locations, most of my (UK) pubbing/clubbing was done in Portsmouth, Plymouth and Glasgow (in the 80's/90's). It was a rare night out to not see any sort of fisticuffs, but I only ever got caught up in something once; which was when a bouncer in Plymouth punched me without warning for no reason at all. This was at a time when the bouncers in Plymouth would often do such things to servicemen, until a commando unit went out one evening and persuaded the clubs to hire new staff........ So, yes, there has always been violence around (I believe it has something to do with alcohol, young men and testosterone) but most of the time it can usually be avoided. In the RN when we went out we would have one person who remained 'more sober' than the rest, who would watch our backs and stop the more volatile ones from doing stupid things. Having said all that, I do feel a lot safer on the streets at night over here than I ever used to feel back in the UK. In 7 years of living here I have only ever seen 2 fights whilst on a night out. And, back on the thread subject, it is good to hear that Dan may be released from hospital shortly. I hope he makes as speedy a recovery as possible and will be very happy to see him in a Saints shirt again. I will, however, be surprised if that happens before the new year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 5 September, 2011 Share Posted 5 September, 2011 All being well he is due to be released from hospital shortly. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2441051,00.html Good news also reported on SSN that he should be released from hospital some time this week, lets hope the injury is not as bad as first thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 September, 2011 Share Posted 5 September, 2011 This was aimed at those openly debating what should happen to the 'bouncers' - discussing punishments etc when at the time it was completly unclear what had happened, who was involved, so was total speculation and bull. I am no lawyer, but public debate of guilt and punishment in the media is the kind of thing that gets cases thrown out as impossible to provide a 'fair' Jury trial.... so the comment stands. In addition, I suspect that you know as well that whilst a proper discussion on the merits of 'athletes socializing' is one thing... starting it in this thread is suggestive of Dan having done something wrong or in part being responsible for what happened to him, at a time when NO facts were Known about anything... so yes on that front I stand by the comment as well. Have that discussion on another thread surely? It was pretty clear that even before Dan was out of immediate danger that the discussion was going this way, whether there were (and are) any facts or not. As I've already said, it was a general discussion about going out safely which was prompted by the incident, not a discussion about the incident itself - which I agree is pointless without the facts and I for one haven't participated in. That's also the only "sensitive" area of discussion around this. The opinion-driven discussion of the rights and wrongs of going out as a normal person, never mind a recognisable public person, is still going on, and plenty of other people don't see it as inappropriate either. Pretty sure if the outcome had been worse people would have appropriately left the thread alone for condolences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 5 September, 2011 Share Posted 5 September, 2011 Fractured skull = Won't play again this season. I would have thought? I fractured my skull several years back and trust me I had a headache for months. I was back at work a few days later but could not concentrate and was extremely tired for around 6 weeks until it healed. That was just for a minor 'crack'. Dan's sounds a lot worse so yes I would not expect to see him play again in 2011, at best. It would be a long while before he can head a ball without it practically knocking him out if he's got a fracture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 5 September, 2011 Share Posted 5 September, 2011 Please expand on this further, so that we can know what the full implications are to be of your proposal. Do you actually mean that Dan as a highly paid footballer should be compensated at a level commensurate with his loss of earnings for the future? Should that be on a scale dependent on his age and therefore the average remaining years that he might have as a footballer? Therefore, taking these thoughts onwards, should a fourth division footballer receive less than the Manchester City first teamer? And presumably the well paid footballer will receive far more compensation than the nurse, the teacher, the fireman? Or will it be a flat rate for everybody? And should this compensation be reduced if by his actions, the complainant was responsible for bringing the attack on himself? You see the complications of administrating a a scheme like this? Well, yes, that is exactly how compensation is already assessed. The Manchester City player WILL be awarded more than the fourth division player because his loss is demonstrably greater. The question you should have asked is "if some 23yr old who has never had a job cripples a top Premiership player and compensation is assessed at £20m, how are you going to make the toe-rag pay?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 September, 2011 Share Posted 5 September, 2011 The question you should have asked is "if some 23yr old who has never had a job cripples a top Premiership player and compensation is assessed at £20m, how are you going to make the toe-rag pay?" I think the point is that the 23yr old would pay, not the Prem player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 5 September, 2011 Share Posted 5 September, 2011 Generally, my opinion on these types of things is there's no smoke without fire. You've got to be very unlucky to take a pasting without being at least partly to blame. I suspect he was doing something to provoke this attack, and whilst I don't condone it, in this day and age, everyone has to expect that if you wind someone up that this could very well happen. I used to go out lots, I'd behave myself, and never got in any trouble or got started on. The one time I did take a pasting, I deserved it, so I can't complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norwich Saint Posted 5 September, 2011 Share Posted 5 September, 2011 Anyone else annoyed that the only response on the OS has been so slight? The guy almost died, and the most they can come out with is "stable, hopefully out soon." Exeter put out a really supportive statement and he left there years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LainPain Posted 5 September, 2011 Share Posted 5 September, 2011 Will be discharged from ITU later today; http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2441681,00.html?utm_source=Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 5 September, 2011 Share Posted 5 September, 2011 Please expand on this further, so that we can know what the full implications are to be of your proposal. Do you actually mean that Dan as a highly paid footballer should be compensated at a level commensurate with his loss of earnings for the future? Should that be on a scale dependent on his age and therefore the average remaining years that he might have as a footballer? Therefore, taking these thoughts onwards, should a fourth division footballer receive less than the Manchester City first teamer? And presumably the well paid footballer will receive far more compensation than the nurse, the teacher, the fireman? Or will it be a flat rate for everybody? And should this compensation be reduced if by his actions, the complainant was responsible for bringing the attack on himself? You see the complications of administrating a a scheme like this? Wes, Firstly, any criminal compensation scheme does depend on the person responsible being guilty, and I accept that we don't yet know in Dan Seaborne's case if there is a guilty person, so the first assumptions based on two quick arrests must be treated with care. But in principle, I believe there is a case for full compensation for criminal acts. Such a scheme shouldn't be impossible to operate since we already have the lifelong student loan scheme and the cost of administration could be added in. If it became understood that the perpetrator of damage to a person or to property would carry the full financial responsibility and not just face a quick penalty, it might make some people be more careful about violent behaviour. If the outcome of an act is life-changing for the victim (and hopefully this may not be the case with Dan Seaborne) then why should the punishment not be life-changing for the perpetrator. This must allow though, that sometimes victims are at fault or contribute to the event, but the courts already have to make such judgements about where fault lies or how fault is shared out. As someone else said, we don't know who threw the first punch in the Dan Seaborne affair and final opinions about it will depend on what we hear after information from witnesses and evidence is published which may be some time yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 5 September, 2011 Share Posted 5 September, 2011 Anyone else annoyed that the only response on the OS has been so slight? The guy almost died, and the most they can come out with is "stable, hopefully out soon." Exeter put out a really supportive statement and he left there years ago. Its a tricky situation for the club. If dan was being a knob or the agressor that came off worse due to falling and hitting his head then the club dont want to be seen to be condeming him or anyone else or supportive of actions that look bad on the club. If dan is the innocent party and someone is up for criminal charges then the club probably dont want to be the route of a public campaign or the cause of possible jury's having their mind made up before and cases. It seems hartless but by giving the bare minimum of info without taking any sides is probably the most diplomatic approach. Once the facts are out they can either support or fine dan and get it dealt with ASAP so they can move on and put it behind everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 5 September, 2011 Share Posted 5 September, 2011 IMHO i believe the club have been quite informative regarding his condition , i've been nicely surprised that their putting out these now daily updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 5 September, 2011 Share Posted 5 September, 2011 Gordon Mockles what makes you so righteous? Youy quick to call others numpties or internet warriors sounds like one of the unsavoury type of bouncers that exist quick to dish it out and then try to justify your actions. This is a public forum with a multitude of views. i will wait to hear what the courts have to say about the incident before commenting on what did or did not happen. Oh and my mates think Im sound for your info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 5 September, 2011 Share Posted 5 September, 2011 I fractured my skull several years back and trust me I had a headache for months. I was back at work a few days later but could not concentrate and was extremely tired for around 6 weeks until it healed. That was just for a minor 'crack'. Dan's sounds a lot worse so yes I would not expect to see him play again in 2011, at best. It would be a long while before he can head a ball without it practically knocking him out if he's got a fracture. 6 months for that Bolton Wanderers player (Paul Jones?) all those years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 5 September, 2011 Share Posted 5 September, 2011 Its good news that Dan is going to be moved from ITU. I suspect he will be out for some time. What we dont know was where the fracture is whether facial or cranial After a head injury causing significant concussion, a skull fracture or after surgery to the head, contact sports (rugby, football, boxing, etc.) should be avoided for a period of time. This could be upto a year depending on the extent of the injury. Rugby Players who get concussed normally are out for two weeks before they can play again. I was banned for six weeks when I got concussed at rugby. Still do not recollect to much about it apart from waking up in hospiatl the following day. I hope Dans injury is not as serious as first mentioned and he is back sooner rather than later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 5 September, 2011 Share Posted 5 September, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFB4weM_co4 Never realised his clearance at Barnsley was THAT good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWillie Posted 5 September, 2011 Share Posted 5 September, 2011 you assume it will go to court.......watch this space. Gordon Mockles what makes you so righteous? Youy quick to call others numpties or internet warriors sounds like one of the unsavoury type of bouncers that exist quick to dish it out and then try to justify your actions. This is a public forum with a multitude of views. i will wait to hear what the courts have to say about the incident before commenting on what did or did not happen. Oh and my mates think Im sound for your info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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