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Reading the mirror article would suggest they are tapped into this forum . Gordan mockles comments seem to be reflected word for word . Also the comment of blood on the pavement was reported on this site yesterday . If your the one feeding the press mockles then you should f uck off
Perhaps you should read it again? Pay close attention to "punters on a local newspaper website" and "one, calling himself uberman and using poor English, posted" :uhoh:
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It is wisest not to jump to erroneous conclusions from careless speculation. Few people will know the facts including the police and those involved that do can be relied upon absolutely to distort or obscure the truth.

 

I abhor the 'night-club' culture that appears to be endemic at Saints which has now led to very serious incidents involving two of our key players, young guys with lots of cash and obvious glamour appeal to a certain type of lady (gold diggers, perhaps); inevitably their presence at any open social meeting palce will attract attention and jealousy probably in equal measure. Just add in the lethal influence of alcohol and you don't need to be a brain surgeon to see where that can lead. I just wish that our players would have the good sense to stay away.

 

It's all very well having a matey club atmosphere "with smiles on everyone's faces" but not at the expense of setting standards for expected behaviour and basic discipline because everyone is on first name terms - players and management alike - so nobody in authority has the balls to be authoritative. Somebody up at SMS needs to get a grip fast. If Adders can't face it then Cortese needs to step in. These guys are being paid a fortune to play football an be our role models - enough said! Brian Clough would have had none of it and the riot act would have been read by him long, long ago.

 

This is a tragedy for Dan Seaborne and his whole family and my heartfelt sympathies go out to him and them. We must all pray for his complete recovery.

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$$$ I will read his article again but either he was being controvesial or he was trying to wind up the likes of me.

 

The mirror article just goes to show what scum some but not all jounos are like.

 

I think the club have been very dignified in all this. I know when a soldier dies in conflict or someone is seriosly injured in a motor accident the jounos are snooping around for alsorts of stories to print

I just hope Dan gets well and wears the saints shirt again

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it is wisest not to jump to erroneous conclusions from careless speculation. Few people will know the facts including the police and those involved that do can be relied upon absolutely to distort or obscure the truth.

 

I abhor the 'night-club' culture that appears to be endemic at saints which has now led to very serious incidents involving two of our key players, young guys with lots of cash and obvious glamour appeal to a certain type of lady (gold diggers, perhaps); inevitably their presence at any open social meeting palce will attract attention and jealousy probably in equal measure. Just add in the lethal influence of alcohol and you don't need to be a brain surgeon to see where that can lead. I just wish that our players would have the good sense to stay away.

 

it's all very well having a matey club atmosphere "with smiles on everyone's faces" but not at the expense of setting standards for expected behaviour and basic discipline because everyone is on first name terms - players and management alike - so nobody in authority has the balls to be authoritative. Somebody up at sms needs to get a grip fast. If adders can't face it then cortese needs to step in. These guys are being paid a fortune to play football an be our role models - enough said! Brian clough would have had none of it and the riot act would have been read by him long, long ago.

 

This is a tragedy for dan seaborne and his whole family and my heartfelt sympathies go out to him and them. We must all pray for his complete recovery.

 

wtf???

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It is wisest not to jump to erroneous conclusions from careless speculation. Few people will know the facts including the police and those involved that do can be relied upon absolutely to distort or obscure the truth.

 

I abhor the 'night-club' culture that appears to be endemic at Saints which has now led to very serious incidents involving two of our key players, young guys with lots of cash and obvious glamour appeal to a certain type of lady (gold diggers, perhaps); inevitably their presence at any open social meeting palce will attract attention and jealousy probably in equal measure. Just add in the lethal influence of alcohol and you don't need to be a brain surgeon to see where that can lead. I just wish that our players would have the good sense to stay away.

 

It's all very well having a matey club atmosphere "with smiles on everyone's faces" but not at the expense of setting standards for expected behaviour and basic discipline because everyone is on first name terms - players and management alike - so nobody in authority has the balls to be authoritative. Somebody up at SMS needs to get a grip fast. If Adders can't face it then Cortese needs to step in. These guys are being paid a fortune to play football an be our role models - enough said! Brian Clough would have had none of it and the riot act would have been read by him long, long ago.

 

This is a tragedy for Dan Seaborne and his whole family and my heartfelt sympathies go out to him and them. We must all pray for his complete recovery.

 

^Agree with this post

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In my experience bouncers love a challenge. Being a big bloke (typical bouncer build, I'd make a good doorman) I've had **** off them in the past and now if I go clubbing I tend not to drink and try to keep a low profile. Few years back I was deliberately tripped on a flight of stairs by a bouncer and then forcibly thrown (took four of them) out on the street. Cuts and bruises and a big bump on the back of my skull, I was lucky. Same night a lad was killed in Basingstoke by bouncers. There but for the grace of god and all that.

I don't know what the solution is but I feel it's a vicious circle. Reminds me in some ways of going away in the 80s with all the fences and aggro. Violence breeds violence. Being a 40-something I remember when only clubs had bouncers (e.g. the old bloke at Barbarellas) but then there wasn't the excessive mass drinking going on either.

 

Sorry to say this but to me you are demonstrating the same attitude of some of these bouncers by indicating the size of your physique, and the fact that it took a lot of them to eject you because of your prowess. Why did you have to throw those comments in? Also, I used to go clubbing in the 80's, and to me bouncers were just as bad then as they are now. Likewise there were just as many drink/testosterone fuelled clubbers being prats after at the end of each night. Some things never change.

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Sorry to say this but to me you are demonstrating the same attitude of some of these bouncers by indicating the size of your physique, and the fact that it took a lot of them to eject you because of your prowess. Why did you have to throw those comments in? Also, I used to go clubbing in the 80's, and to me bouncers were just as bad then as they are now. Likewise there were just as many drink/testosterone fuelled clubbers being prats after at the end of each night. Some things never change.

 

Yep. The 80's had plenty of bouncers at clubs and plenty of drink fuelled punch-ups.

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I don't want to appear churlish or unduly critical of the club at a time like this, and perhaps this thread is not the right place to raise this but, unless I've missed it I haven't noticed any form of 'human' comment from the club on Dan Seaborne's plight.

 

I've seen lots of quotes from Exeter. Just like our own fans, theirs seem to have been moved. Even Steve Perryman their DoF has commented on what a lovely lad Dan is.

 

But I've not noticed anything from the club outside of the statement on the OS and individual player's tweets. Can't help thinking it's unusual that OUR player gets injured and the journalists run with quotes from his ex-club.

 

Perhaps the club has been advised to not make any comment? Perhaps it's as simple as key people being on holiday. Perhaps it's come in an interview that I haven't heard or seen documented. Anyone?

 

Just feels like someone at the club should have spoken about their feelings on a human level. No agenda. Not looking to criticise the club. Just pointing out that it appears odd.

 

Here's to a speedy recovery and one that sees him able to play again.

 

I think the most human(e) thing I've read is that Adkins spent yesterday at his bedside. That says plenty to me.

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Not that this sort of injury is ever deserved but.....

 

I know for a fact that he was acting like a total **** and probably needed a smack to kerb his billy big balls attitude.

 

Adkins won't stand for it and I bet we see a loan defender in next week

 

p!ss off mong

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I think the most human(e) thing I've read is that Adkins spent yesterday at his bedside. That says plenty to me.

 

Yes I saw that in The Echo dinger. A really nice touch.

 

But I think you might have missed my point. I'm not suggesting that members of the club's senior management don't care. It's clear from the apparent togetherness of the squad that they're a close group. I'm questioning why that caring hasn't been shown through any formal communication from the club.

 

Given that it's clear that the club does care about one of it's young charges, it appears odd to me that as a club we haven't seen fit to say something less corporate - more human, more personal. The official statement on the OS reads a little like a corporation commenting on one of its assets.

 

Something like this would do the trick.

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It is wisest not to jump to erroneous conclusions from careless speculation. Few people will know the facts including the police and those involved that do can be relied upon absolutely to distort or obscure the truth.

 

I abhor the 'night-club' culture that appears to be endemic at Saints which has now led to very serious incidents involving two of our key players, young guys with lots of cash and obvious glamour appeal to a certain type of lady (gold diggers, perhaps); inevitably their presence at any open social meeting palce will attract attention and jealousy probably in equal measure. Just add in the lethal influence of alcohol and you don't need to be a brain surgeon to see where that can lead. I just wish that our players would have the good sense to stay away.

 

It's all very well having a matey club atmosphere "with smiles on everyone's faces" but not at the expense of setting standards for expected behaviour and basic discipline because everyone is on first name terms - players and management alike - so nobody in authority has the balls to be authoritative. Somebody up at SMS needs to get a grip fast. If Adders can't face it then Cortese needs to step in. These guys are being paid a fortune to play football an be our role models - enough said! Brian Clough would have had none of it and the riot act would have been read by him long, long ago.

 

This is a tragedy for Dan Seaborne and his whole family and my heartfelt sympathies go out to him and them. We must all pray for his complete recovery.

 

Worst post I have read on here for a while - after extolling the fact that we all know nothing although it has been widely rumoured that Seabourne was allegedly beaten up by two bouncers this post then blames it on the matey club atmosphere at SFC. On that basis if Mr Wayman gets kicked by two new forest ponies having not aggravated them it is perhaps because he is a SFC fan????? :? I see later Trousers agrees with him which probably consigns the comment to the bin where it belongs. I suggest we await the proper reports to see the degree to which Dan Seaborne is culpable in the incident.

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Yes I saw that in The Echo dinger. A really nice touch.

 

But I think you might have missed my point. I'm not suggesting that members of the club's senior management don't care. It's clear from the apparent togetherness of the squad that they're a close group. I'm questioning why that caring hasn't been shown through any formal communication from the club.

 

Given that it's clear that the club does care about one of it's young charges, it appears odd to me that as a club we haven't seen fit to say something less corporate - more human, more personal. The official statement on the OS reads a little like a corporation commenting on one of its assets.

 

Something like this would do the trick.

 

Bollicks 99.9% of companys would distance themselves from any involvement of an employee being hospitalised after being on the **** in a nightclub and getting lumped outside of it or in it just because he is known (albeit by saints fans)has blown this all out of proportion the local plod will sort out who done it and if any charges are due as per Barnard

 

that been said hope he pulls through

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Not that this sort of injury is ever deserved but.....

 

I know for a fact that he was acting like a total **** and probably needed a smack to kerb his billy big balls attitude. And that fact being?

Adkins won't stand for it and I bet we see a loan defender in next week

What just like we would if he had broken his leg, if we do get one in it has f all to do with what you say
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Bollicks 99.9% of companys would distance themselves from any involvement of an employee being hospitalised after being on the **** in a nightclub and getting lumped outside of it or in it just because he is known (albeit by saints fans)has blown this all out of proportion the local plod will sort out who done it and if any charges are due as per Barnard

 

that been said hope he pulls through

 

I didn't realised that you'd carried out such thorough research PhilippineSaint. Thanks for sharing it.

 

99.9% of COMPANIES might distance themselves from any involvement of an EMPLOYEE being involved in this sort of incident. Just wondering whether the percentage of football clubs might be different from the percentage of all companies.

 

And I don't mean to doubt your research into this but I do wonder if only 0.1% of all companies would issue a statement when one of their employees had sustained a significant head injury without saying something like they hoped he'd be OK or that their thoughts were with the lad and his family or that they hoped he'd make a speedy recovery and perhaps a return to 'work'.

 

I'm not saying that I can't think of reasons why the club MIGHT distance itself from one of its employees. I can think of many reasons why a company might do this. In fact I'm suggesting that by not commenting in a personal way it COULD suggest that they are distancing themselves from their employee.

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Yes I saw that in The Echo dinger. A really nice touch.

 

But I think you might have missed my point. I'm not suggesting that members of the club's senior management don't care. It's clear from the apparent togetherness of the squad that they're a close group. I'm questioning why that caring hasn't been shown through any formal communication from the club.Given that it's clear that the club does care about one of it's young charges, it appears odd to me that as a club we haven't seen fit to say something less corporate - more human, more personal. The official statement on the OS reads a little like a corporation commenting on one of its assets.

 

Something like this would do the trick.

 

I would hope there has been a communication from the club to Dan's family. I fail to see a need for anything else. It's a personal affair other than any legal aspect.

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Latest on Dan:

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/9231736.Seaborne_remains__stable__in_hospital/

 

SAINTS star Dan Seaborne remains in hospital today where his condition is described as “stable”.

The 24-year-old defender suffered a suspected fractured skull in the early hours of yesterday, leaving him unconscious outside Junk nightclub in London Road, Southampton.

Detectives investigating how the player suffered serious head injuries have released one of two men arrested without charge.

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The club will do what they have to do and will do the respectable thing and do things quietly. So quit your moronic moaning about how the statement is put across and all the pointless negatvity.

 

That's quality debate there moon monkey. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me. All of them.

 

I would hope there has been a communication from the club to Dan's family. I fail to see a need for anything else. It's a personal affair other than any legal aspect.

 

I can see that point of view dingbattigger and part of me shares that view.

 

But his last club didn't agree with you though. They issued a statement full of warmth, wishing Dan well. Their DoF also felt able to provide quotes to the press.

 

And yes I'm sure that the club is doing everything it should, and more behind the scenes for one of its own.

 

Having had little support for my thoughts on the subject it looks like it could just be me looking too far into this.

 

But I still feel that if I were drafting the official statement from the football club to its supporters, the as yet one and only statement on the health and well-being of one of the players, I would really struggle NOT to put one or all of these sentiments in there.

 

- We hope he'll pull through

- We hope he continues to recover

- Our thoughts are with his family

- We hope he returns to work soon

- We hope he's in the first team again soon

 

Something would have to stop me from instinctively putting those things in there.

 

But I realise that if I keep on about this I will be accused of being pointlessly-negative, or god-forbid a moron. Despite in my original post trying to make it clear that I'm not looking to be negative about the club when I stated.

No agenda. Not looking to criticise the club. Just pointing out that it appears odd

 

So I'll leave it at that and once again wish Dan all the best and a speedy recovery to the first team.

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It is wisest not to jump to erroneous conclusions from careless speculation. Few people will know the facts including the police and those involved that do can be relied upon absolutely to distort or obscure the truth.

 

I abhor the 'night-club' culture that appears to be endemic at Saints which has now led to very serious incidents involving two of our key players, young guys with lots of cash and obvious glamour appeal to a certain type of lady (gold diggers, perhaps); inevitably their presence at any open social meeting palce will attract attention and jealousy probably in equal measure. Just add in the lethal influence of alcohol and you don't need to be a brain surgeon to see where that can lead. I just wish that our players would have the good sense to stay away.

 

It's all very well having a matey club atmosphere "with smiles on everyone's faces" but not at the expense of setting standards for expected behaviour and basic discipline because everyone is on first name terms - players and management alike - so nobody in authority has the balls to be authoritative. Somebody up at SMS needs to get a grip fast. If Adders can't face it then Cortese needs to step in. These guys are being paid a fortune to play football an be our role models - enough said! Brian Clough would have had none of it and the riot act would have been read by him long, long ago.

 

This is a tragedy for Dan Seaborne and his whole family and my heartfelt sympathies go out to him and them. We must all pray for his complete recovery.

 

Shut. up. you. mug.

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It is wisest not to jump to erroneous conclusions from careless speculation. Few people will know the facts including the police and those involved that do can be relied upon absolutely to distort or obscure the truth.

 

I abhor the 'night-club' culture that appears to be endemic at Saints which has now led to very serious incidents involving two of our key players, young guys with lots of cash and obvious glamour appeal to a certain type of lady (gold diggers, perhaps); inevitably their presence at any open social meeting palce will attract attention and jealousy probably in equal measure. Just add in the lethal influence of alcohol and you don't need to be a brain surgeon to see where that can lead. I just wish that our players would have the good sense to stay away.

 

It's all very well having a matey club atmosphere "with smiles on everyone's faces" but not at the expense of setting standards for expected behaviour and basic discipline because everyone is on first name terms - players and management alike - so nobody in authority has the balls to be authoritative. Somebody up at SMS needs to get a grip fast. If Adders can't face it then Cortese needs to step in. These guys are being paid a fortune to play football an be our role models - enough said! Brian Clough would have had none of it and the riot act would have been read by him long, long ago.

 

This is a tragedy for Dan Seaborne and his whole family and my heartfelt sympathies go out to him and them. We must all pray for his complete recovery.

 

Biggest load of b*ll*x I've ever read on here, and that's saying something.

 

"night club culture" lol, how out of touch are you?! Young men go to nightclubs, that's what happens, it's 2011.

 

As for Brian Clough PMSL, he's a manager who drank himself to an early grave and was even known to take his players out drinking prior to important games.

 

Seabourne was attacked and the person(s) who did it need to be put behind bars, it's as simple as that.

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I was watching an Eircom game today, one of the outfield substitutes who had just recovered from a head injury was making his first appearance wearing a protective padded head helmet similar to Rugby players/Cech. If he does come back to playing there is no reason why he can't do the same.

 

I think it is unwise to pre-judge on little real information. The lad may have been a bit silly in his behaviour with others's girlfriends, it's what some footballers do. Then again he may not have been but there was an incident/verbal altercation and he was asked to leave. What happened outside? conjecture again, did he fall? was he pushed? or more seriously was he unnecessarily assaulted leading to the injuries. Then again was he the aggressor and bit off more than he could chew with one of the bouncers who went too far or was unlucky dealing with the customer under the influence? At this time we just don't know enough to pass any opinion on any party, all we can do is hope that the lad makes a rapid full recovery and that whatever the circumstances justice is done and there is no sacrificial lamb.

 

Southampton FC have issued a statement, they don't do public displays, the mere fact Adkins was with him yesterday and both him and Cortese again today shows they do care. As far as I'm concerned they are behaving correctly. I wish the lad a swift recovery and a return to playing for Saints. Anything else is for another time and place when all the facts are available. I have always found no matter what that there are always at least two sides to every story.

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Both bailed?? Interesting. Clearly not enough to charge but with what would amount to probably other enquiries you would have thought bail. To me it sounds like they have bottomed out what happened and there is no case to answer by these two or they are seeking other people. Pretty rare to release no charge and not even bail if you have the correct suspects. If further evidence comes to light then they could be re-arrested but that is not usually how things are done.

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I was watching an Eircom game today, one of the outfield substitutes who had just recovered from a head injury was making his first appearance wearing a protective padded head helmet similar to Rugby players/Cech. If he does come back to playing there is no reason why he can't do the same.

 

There is an Inter Milan CB, Chievo I think, who has worn one for years due to a previous skull fracture. Even wears in in CL games.

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There is an Inter Milan CB, Chievo I think, who has worn one for years due to a previous skull fracture. Even wears in in CL games.

 

Because of Seaborne I looked quite closely at it when it was shown, it wouldn't stop heading accurately, providing of course you were able to in the first place, but giving good protection.

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Sorry to say this but to me you are demonstrating the same attitude of some of these bouncers by indicating the size of your physique, and the fact that it took a lot of them to eject you because of your prowess. Why did you have to throw those comments in? Also, I used to go clubbing in the 80's, and to me bouncers were just as bad then as they are now. Likewise there were just as many drink/testosterone fuelled clubbers being prats after at the end of each night. Some things never change.

 

I wasn't resisting being thrown out, I was a dead weight being dazed from falling down the stairs. Back then I was 20st+ so not easy to lift. I guess we went to different clubs because in my experience you could always have a laugh and a joke and they'd have a quiet word rather than wading in. But they were something you rarely encountered, it was just clubs. Now I've recently seen doormen at a restaurant in Salisbury ffs!

 

Ultimately I think my point is that there are more doormen, and therefore you need to know how to behave when out. Call it defensive clubbing if you like. Have a nose for trouble, stay away from it, and don't start it. Same as defensive driving. Tricky for someone in the public eye

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I wasn't resisting being thrown out, I was a dead weight being dazed from falling down the stairs. Back then I was 20st+ so not easy to lift. I guess we went to different clubs because in my experience you could always have a laugh and a joke and they'd have a quiet word rather than wading in. But they were something you rarely encountered, it was just clubs. Now I've recently seen doormen at a restaurant in Salisbury ffs!

 

Ultimately I think my point is that there are more doormen, and therefore you need to know how to behave when out. Call it defensive clubbing if you like. Have a nose for trouble, stay away from it, and don't start it. Same as defensive driving. Tricky for someone in the public eye

 

Fair comment.

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