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Dan by all accounts is really good pro and a lovely lad. we all genuinely wish him a full recovery and the best possible luck.

 

What lessons can be learned? Questions must asked.

 

1. The apparent suspects are 100% innocent until proven guilty. We are all naturally going to have our sympathies with Dan, yet maybe without knowing the details of the incident, or the behaviour of those involved (Dan included).

2. What the frig was a Southampton Football Club 'starter', let alone any other player, doing in Junk at 3am plus - what possible good can happen in a dodgy night club a couple hours before dawn??

3. Does any player or has any player ever improved through the excessive (not saying Dan had been 'excessive') (mis)use of alchohol? If the boozing culture of many footballers, especially the young ones, was modified how could it do any harm? Would it not improve performance, attitude and the product that they provide to us the paying customer - or ultimately the people that put cloths on their backs, food on their table...and even, ironically, wine in their glass!!

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Dan by all accounts is really good pro and a lovely lad. we all genuinely wish him a full recovery and the best possible luck.

 

What lessons can be learned? Questions must asked.

 

1. The apparent suspects are 100% innocent until proven guilty. We are all naturally going to have our sympathies with Dan, yet maybe without knowing the details of the incident, or the behaviour of those involved (Dan included).

2. What the frig was a Southampton Football Club 'starter', let alone any other player, doing in Junk at 3am plus - what possible good can happen in a dodgy night club a couple hours before dawn??

3. Does any player or has any player ever improved through the excessive (not saying Dan had been 'excessive') (mis)use of alchohol? If the boozing culture of many footballers, especially the young ones, was modified how could it do any harm? Would it not improve performance, attitude and the product that they provide to us the paying customer - or ultimately the people that put cloths on their backs, food on their table...and even, ironically, wine in their glass!!

 

Spot On!

 

On the other hand the lad doesn't deserve to end up in hospital as a result of poor judgement. The latest OS up-date is only mildly encouraging and regretably it seems unlikely we'll see him playing again this year at least.

 

I hope there isn't a booze culture here but nothing would surprise me after the experiences of a few years ago.

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Dan by all accounts is really good pro and a lovely lad. we all genuinely wish him a full recovery and the best possible luck.

 

What lessons can be learned? Questions must asked.

 

1. The apparent suspects are 100% innocent until proven guilty. We are all naturally going to have our sympathies with Dan, yet maybe without knowing the details of the incident, or the behaviour of those involved (Dan included).

2. What the frig was a Southampton Football Club 'starter', let alone any other player, doing in Junk at 3am plus - what possible good can happen in a dodgy night club a couple hours before dawn??

3. Does any player or has any player ever improved through the excessive (not saying Dan had been 'excessive') (mis)use of alchohol? If the boozing culture of many footballers, especially the young ones, was modified how could it do any harm? Would it not improve performance, attitude and the product that they provide to us the paying customer - or ultimately the people that put cloths on their backs, food on their table...and even, ironically, wine in their glass!!

 

My thoughts...

 

1 - Absolutely agree, it's very easy to see and think what you want the truth to be.

2 - With the huge gap before the next game, there is nothing wrong with players having a social life and letting their hair down.

3 - Refer back to your first point. With this point 3, have you not jumped to the conclusion - without factual evidence - that Dan was drinking excessively. One night out doesn't mean it's excessive so I really wouldn't worry until we hear this sort of thing happening in the days before the next game. 9 days in advance is fine, IMO. But on the flip side, what good can come from a club applying strict control over a players entire life, preventing them from being themselves, prohibiting them from letting their hair down from time to time. Doing this when appropriate is an important part of their lives, if that's what they want to be doing. They are professional enough to know when it is OK and when it is most definitely not OK. 9 days before the next game is OK.

 

If you try and control and restrict a player from doing this at times like this, you'll lose them.

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Gordon Mockles what makes you so righteous? Youy quick to call others numpties or internet warriors

sounds like one of the unsavoury type of bouncers that exist quick to dish it out and then try to justify your actions.

 

This is a public forum with a multitude of views. i will wait to hear what the courts have to say about the incident before commenting on what did or did not happen.

Oh and my mates think Im sound for your info

 

If defending myself against misplaced, hot headed opinion is self-righteous then I'll adopt your incisive label.

 

I'd respond to the rest of your post but I don't actually understand what it meant. Also, I'm largely confused as to how some posters have leapt to crazy intimations that I somehow support the assault for merely commenting what I heard - Seaborne hadn't helped himself by his alleged conduct in the club (I thought it a no brainer that the actions were utterly reprehensible & to be condemned although clearly not by some wild comments).

 

Should anyone accept being verbally & physically assaulted in their job? No way.

Should anyone physically harm another person so much that they hospitalise them? Absolutely not.

 

Hope that clarifies my view on matters & thanks for the public service announcement.

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Gordon

 

There are two sides to this story as there is in the Barnard case. I havent a clue what has gone on, I have no inside information

hence the reason I will wait for the official explanation through the courts or otherwise. I will not rely on third hand accounts of stories that have grown hands and legs. Its not about taking sides it about having an opinion based on factual information.

 

Thats all , Im not being incisive just being pragmatic

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Dan by all accounts is really good pro and a lovely lad. we all genuinely wish him a full recovery and the best possible luck.

 

What lessons can be learned? Questions must asked.

 

1. The apparent suspects are 100% innocent until proven guilty. We are all naturally going to have our sympathies with Dan, yet maybe without knowing the details of the incident, or the behaviour of those involved (Dan included).

2. What the frig was a Southampton Football Club 'starter', let alone any other player, doing in Junk at 3am plus - what possible good can happen in a dodgy night club a couple hours before dawn??

3. Does any player or has any player ever improved through the excessive (not saying Dan had been 'excessive') (mis)use of alchohol? If the boozing culture of many footballers, especially the young ones, was modified how could it do any harm? Would it not improve performance, attitude and the product that they provide to us the paying customer - or ultimately the people that put cloths on their backs, food on their table...and even, ironically, wine in their glass!!

 

Tim- I've worked with male and females elite athletes on occasion for two decades - world class superstars of their sport - and have travelled around Europe and the UK with them, socialised etc. Long and the short of it is that if you think that 3am in a night club is probably no place for such athletes let alone Dan Seabourne or Ronaldiniho for that matter then you are right- but the reality is that it goes on all the time.

 

One theory is that the massive stress of public sporting performance at the very highest level can sometimes only be defused by excess in some other "unhealthy" area for some of these athletes - these guys sometimes feel they "need a break" and according to their upbringing in many cases that means going on the lash...for many it does not- but those guys are boring for the media so we only ever get to hear about the Gazza's of this world emerging from night clubs and bars tired and emotional..

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Have we got a club discipline problem ?

 

This is the second night club/physical assault & injury incident to hit the headlines in recent times.

 

I doubt it

 

TBH Football has a discapline problem. I have not problems with them drinking etc on their off time, but all too often does football seem to create such ugly role models.

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you assume it will go to court.......watch this space.

 

Yeah, you are right to question that. From what I have heard he was in a pretty drunken way, challenged the bouncers and they responded by pushing him away, he fell and the rest is history. Indepenedent eye witnesses will confirm whether this is what actually happened. I'm not sure how much the CCTV has picked up and in my experience it often catches less than we might like to think.

 

I feel some of our footballers do need to show a bit more respect and self-discipline when they are out on town. I have met some out who give it the big I am forgetting who ultimately pays their wages. On the other hand I have met others who are very charming and welcoming of Saints fans - Surman being a perfect example and role model (shook my hand when I said I was a season ticket holder, was drinking soft drinks, had time to speak to people etc) when I met him out with Dyer and BWP who were being complete *****s and were just using their little bit of local fame to try and impress some of the less classy birds.

 

This whole episode is a real shame as Dan always seemed like a nice bloke. Just goes to show the power of alcohol.

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Foofballers and top sportsman need to show more discipline , enjoy themselves by all means but should avoid confrontational situations

Look at the england cricket team a couple of years back with Freddie flintoff and co being out on the lash

 

Even Capello has had a go at a £35 million footballer Andy Carroll about his lifestyle of drinking etc

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I doubt it

 

TBH Football has a discapline problem. I have not problems with them drinking etc on their off time, but all too often does football seem to create such ugly role models.

 

That is the problem when you give working class kids instant riches. Just look at how many lottery winners f*ck up their lives because they are not mature enough to handle the money.

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Apologies, after everyone raved about him I thought he made the clearance. Being 100 meters up the other end doesn't help either.

 

So was I, and you have to track the player for about 15 seconds before he shows his number - with some of his teammates congratulating the wrong person !

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Gordon

 

There are two sides to this story as there is in the Barnard case. I havent a clue what has gone on, I have no inside information

hence the reason I will wait for the official explanation through the courts or otherwise. I will not rely on third hand accounts of stories that have grown hands and legs. Its not about taking sides it about having an opinion based on factual information.

 

Thats all , Im not being incisive just being pragmatic

 

Right. So I'd be pragmatic in dismissing reports directly from friends that were witness to the antics that evening. I'll keep it quiet next time. What happened was grossly reprehensible & I was shocked by the reports of arrogant & idiotic behaviour on Seaborne's part. I thought he generally doesn't come across as that type but I have to admit, what do I know since I've never met the guy. However, when people I know & trust tell me what happened, I use my own judgement & trust them. Especially when multiple reports all tally up. If that upsets you, so be it but remember, this is a chat forum.

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Right. So I'd be pragmatic in dismissing reports directly from friends that were witness to the antics that evening. I'll keep it quiet next time. What happened was grossly reprehensible & I was shocked by the reports of arrogant & idiotic behaviour on Seaborne's part. I thought he generally doesn't come across as that type but I have to admit, what do I know since I've never met the guy. However, when people I know & trust tell me what happened, I use my own judgement & trust them. Especially when multiple reports all tally up. If that upsets you, so be it but remember, this is a chat forum.

 

Exactly. I still struggle to see, when it comes to various topics particularly also including new signings, you get the moral crusade brigade who come on and effectively say "let's wait and see what happens before we make a decision". As if new transfers can't be correctly predicted unless they appear on the OS. As if the potential abilities of new signings cannot be judged until we see them in a Saints shirt. And as if genuine witnesses to the Seaborne incident can't be discussed until it's gone through the law courts.

 

This is a chat forum for crying out loud, it lives off of rumour and conjecture! It would be a bloody boring place without all that. You kind of know what you're getting when you come on here, so quite why so many people bleat about it, I'll never know.

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Yes.

 

But I seem to recall Claus was pretty well-behaved at that time.

Selective memory I think, Claus was always getting mentioned on here or predecessor forums for his smoking and drinking an dnight clubs. Personally as I never saw him I don't tknow if true or not, but to suggest this would never have happened in WGS day is like saying everyone was perfect in Lawrie Mac's day.

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Selective memory I think, Claus was always getting mentioned on here or predecessor forums for his smoking and drinking an dnight clubs. Personally as I never saw him I don't tknow if true or not, but to suggest this would never have happened in WGS day is like saying everyone was perfect in Lawrie Mac's day.

 

Exactly. I was a student at the time but the players were out drinking more than the freshers. There was a massive drinking culture amongst the players at the time, Beattie, KD, Oakley were always either at the Rhino or if it was student night (Wednesday I believe) they were at Ikon. Claus was not in the same group but drunk more. While the younger players were into posing in full length leather jackets and picking up straggler girls at 2am, Claus was more of a serious drinker. He would be in jumping Jacks till closing and then off to the Casino with a fag in his mouth and a couple of sado hangers on. He is actually a nice guy, a few of my mates play football with him, just LOVES to drink.

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Claus could often be found with tessem, p1ssed as a fart, , fags in mouth in the kebab shops in bedford place around 3am... i also remember Beattie doing laps at Southampton Sports centre early in the morning a few times...

 

Exactly right; many a time saw Claus and especially Tessem in the Rhino, ****ed out of their heads.

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What gets me is a couple of weeks ago nearly everybody on here said Seaborne was not good enough for the team. Because he gets attacked everybody cant wait to see him back in the team? can these people not stick to there convictions ok hope he gets better but we still need a replacement for him.

 

Transfer window is closed therefore Seaborne is probably the best partner we have for Fonte ( until we see Hooisveld play).

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So why didn't they just delete the photos and return the phones? Or would that have required more intelligence than they could muster between them? ;)

 

Got to be quicker just to lift them, rather than take the phone from the bag, unlock it, search for the evidence & delete it. Assuming they existed in the first place.

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Transfer window is closed therefore Seaborne is probably the best partner we have for Fonte ( until we see Hooisveld play).

Loan window - I think opened today - and surely we must get another CB on loan. When Hooisveld was brought in, Seaborne was still available so we are now 1 CB down on what Adkins thought he had. Question is not only will they bring in a anoither CB, but will they now use the opportunity to get someone of proven higher quality who they may be able to keep beyond January if all goes well.

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Loan window - I think opened today - and surely we must get another CB on loan. When Hooisveld was brought in, Seaborne was still available so we are now 1 CB down on what Adkins thought he had. Question is not only will they bring in a anoither CB, but will they now use the opportunity to get someone of proven higher quality who they may be able to keep beyond January if all goes well.

 

Question is can we actually get a player of proven high quality during the loan window when we couldnt get one in the transfer window!

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Loan window - I think opened today - and surely we must get another CB on loan. When Hooisveld was brought in, Seaborne was still available so we are now 1 CB down on what Adkins thought he had. Question is not only will they bring in a anoither CB, but will they now use the opportunity to get someone of proven higher quality who they may be able to keep beyond January if all goes well.

 

It may be that one of the CB was going to be loaned out and this is now not going to happen.

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Question is can we actually get a player of proven high quality during the loan window when we couldnt get one in the transfer window!

 

I think the August difficulties are partly down to the PL squads not yet being named. Managers won't want to let one player go in case they can't get a transfer target in. Maybe once the squads are named, there will be a few able to go on loan. I would think Citeh would have a few spare players....

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I think the August difficulties are partly down to the PL squads not yet being named. Managers won't want to let one player go in case they can't get a transfer target in. Maybe once the squads are named, there will be a few able to go on loan. I would think Citeh would have a few spare players....

 

The squad deadline was 5pm on September 2nd, so everyone should know who's in and out by now...

 

http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~2440123,00.html

 

There's a shortlist of players on this Leeds site from a Leeds journalist's checking of who didn't make the lists :

http://www.thescratchingshed.com/2011/09/25-man-squads-the-players-that-missed-out/

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Nigel Adkins praised the messages of goodwill from everyone associated with Saints in support of Dan Seaborne.

 

The central defender has been recovering in hospital this week following the serious head injury he sustained over seven days ago, and the manager says the club has been overwhelmed with the volume of support.

 

He said: "I think it has been fantastic, and it underlines that we have a Southampton family here where everyone wants to look after each other. It has been overwhelming really how good the support has been for Dan.

 

"Dan is one of ours, and it is very sad that the situation has arisen that Dan has ended up seriously injured. I went to see him on the Friday morning myself, so it was reassuring that I was able to speak to him. He just needs a lot of quiet time now, and the doctors are pleased with his progress which is important."

 

Seaborne continues to make progress, and the gaffer says there's no hurry to put a time frame on a return to action.

"You can look at days or weeks or whatever you want to do, but I think the important thing is that he gets that quiet time because he has a head injury and we need to make sure that his body is allowed to recover. He is in the right place in the hospital and he is being well looked after, and the doctors are pleased at how he is progressing.

 

"I went to see him again on Tuesday with the Chairman after our development game and he was sat up with his parents, talking away. He was able to remember a lot of things that had been going on, so there were a lot of positive signs that he is on the road to recovery."

 

Adkins acknowledged that the late night incident is the second inside a year involving a player out in Southampton, but he dismissed any ideas of ill-discipline within the squad.

 

"Lee Barnard's situation arose a week or so after I joined the football club, and we had a good meeting after that and the players know that the one rule I have is 'don't do anything detrimental to yourself or the team or face the consequences if you do.'

 

"The good thing is that the players have a good reputation around the city of behaving themselves. I was speaking to the Chief Constable at the hospital on the Friday and he reiterated to me that our lads have got a great reputation of behaving themselves and avoiding difficult or compromising situations.

 

"It was an unfortunate thing for Dan, but the lads have had the weekend off with the international break so it was a bit of downtime for them, and it wasn't as if he was doing anything wrong.

 

"It's obviously an unfortunate situation, so it was good to have it underlined how good and how disciplined and professional our lads at this football club are."

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2445107,00.html

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Nigel Adkins praised the messages of goodwill from everyone associated with Saints in support of Dan Seaborne.

 

The central defender has been recovering in hospital this week following the serious head injury he sustained over seven days ago, and the manager says the club has been overwhelmed with the volume of support.

 

He said: "I think it has been fantastic, and it underlines that we have a Southampton family here where everyone wants to look after each other. It has been overwhelming really how good the support has been for Dan.

 

"Dan is one of ours, and it is very sad that the situation has arisen that Dan has ended up seriously injured. I went to see him on the Friday morning myself, so it was reassuring that I was able to speak to him. He just needs a lot of quiet time now, and the doctors are pleased with his progress which is important."

 

Seaborne continues to make progress, and the gaffer says there's no hurry to put a time frame on a return to action.

"You can look at days or weeks or whatever you want to do, but I think the important thing is that he gets that quiet time because he has a head injury and we need to make sure that his body is allowed to recover. He is in the right place in the hospital and he is being well looked after, and the doctors are pleased at how he is progressing.

 

"I went to see him again on Tuesday with the Chairman after our development game and he was sat up with his parents, talking away. He was able to remember a lot of things that had been going on, so there were a lot of positive signs that he is on the road to recovery."

 

Adkins acknowledged that the late night incident is the second inside a year involving a player out in Southampton, but he dismissed any ideas of ill-discipline within the squad.

 

"Lee Barnard's situation arose a week or so after I joined the football club, and we had a good meeting after that and the players know that the one rule I have is 'don't do anything detrimental to yourself or the team or face the consequences if you do.'

 

"The good thing is that the players have a good reputation around the city of behaving themselves. I was speaking to the Chief Constable at the hospital on the Friday and he reiterated to me that our lads have got a great reputation of behaving themselves and avoiding difficult or compromising situations.

 

"It was an unfortunate thing for Dan, but the lads have had the weekend off with the international break so it was a bit of downtime for them, and it wasn't as if he was doing anything wrong.

 

"It's obviously an unfortunate situation, so it was good to have it underlined how good and how disciplined and professional our lads at this football club are."

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2445107,00.html

 

That is really good, and a great update..... we are all on the bus now!!

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First time anything about him actually being conscious, never mind talking, has been mentioned publically.

 

I do wonder if the people responsible for communicating this have any idea of the sort of things people who haven't seen him and aren't "happily chatting away to him" were thinking might have been the situation, given the initial "potentially life threatening" and then vague "stable" updates.

 

Good news anyway, could have been a lot worse.

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I admire Adders for acknowledging what many fans have said on here about poor discipline at the club. Evidently he is reading our comments and taking them on board.

 

As always 'though Nigel, proof is in what happens on the streets rather than all the reassuring rhetoric and the jury is going to be out for a while on this one. One more escapade - and they do seem to go in three's - and there will be tougher questions to field.

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You do wonder if we will really find out what happened. Unfortunately, people are too quick to spread unfounded rumours. The Welsh supporter killed at Wembley this week was my daughter's brother-in-law. The family are extremely upset about scurrilous stories printed in the Sun which have no foundation in truth. He was just a fanatical Cardiff City supporter who followed them home and away; with his wife he used to arrange coaches to away games. These incidents can happen so quickly, and nowadays you don't have to do anything provocative to be picked on. I'm sure that Dan is extremely physically fit, which is bound to help his recovery. Luckily, the outcome for him will be better than for poor Mike and his family.

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