Some Hindsight on Negativity

[dronskisaint]

I'm much amused by all the self-justification that's going on...Nobody enjoys losing - particularly in that manner so why not just say I was miserable and talked sh*t?

 

All the pathetic predictions of doom say an awful lot about the life and lifestyles of the predictors. I'm just grateful that I don't live near or with any of them...jeezus that must be pure purgatory!!

 

And yes - it's fine, comical even to dig it up - you then have the opportunity to say yes, look what I said and laugh...or the other - as described above.

[hypochondriac]

I'm much amused by all the self-justification that's going on...Nobody enjoys losing - particularly in that manner so why not just say I was miserable and talked sh*t?

 

All the pathetic predictions of doom say an awful lot about the life and lifestyles of the predictors. I'm just grateful that I don't live near or with any of them...jeezus that must be pure purgatory!!

 

And yes - it's fine, comical even to dig it up - you then have the opportunity to say yes, look what I said and laugh...or the other - as described above.

 

If you read my initial responses, I said that my comments were ott because I was annoyed immediately after a game. I also said that I realised this the day after and posted as much at the time.

[Legod Third Coming]

I would (if I may suggest) keep this thread open and use it to debate the way in which people on this forum debate (argue) - delete as appropriate.

 

I have strong views - sometimes right, sometimes not.

 

For example, the appointment of WGS was a fecking disastrous appointment. He had purely taken Coventry down. Someone told me he had done a good job there but it had gone sour. To which I replied that this was the same as crediting the Captain of the Titanic for the first half of an uneventful voyage...

 

Thankfully, I am a big boy and know that I am as full of bull as the next football fan.

 

Shame more people couldn't accept that we are ALL fallible and that there is no such thing as the right opinion. Just opinion.

 

Although one thing that does do my head in is the ready acceptance of rumour as fact. Perhaps we could have a moratorium on that too??

[Ohio Saint]

To which I replied that this was the same as crediting the Captain of the Titanic for the first half of an uneventful voyage...

 

The Titanic ran out of prawn sandwiches on the second day. Everyone was saying Captain Smith OUT FFS! They were right of course, when the catering crew told him about the lettuce situation and informed him that they were completely out of icebergs, he just told them that he didn't give a crap about icebergs. This is why they never told him when they spotted one floating around in front of them.

 

Luckily though, Captain Smith is not our manager.

[doddisalegend]

Lol

 

I agree with Derry's sentiment aswell, I just can't be arsed to post on here any more these days, and yes, I used to enjoy reading the views on some of the more intelligent football fans whose views I tended to look out for, Weston, Derry, Nelson, Chez etc etc.

 

And Um Pahars

 

Shame I'll miss you're late night weekend posts involving the word cock and arse a lot..........

[doddisalegend]

I would (if I may suggest) keep this thread open and use it to debate the way in which people on this forum debate (argue) - delete as appropriate.

 

I have strong views - sometimes right, sometimes not.

 

For example, the appointment of WGS was a fecking disastrous appointment. He had purely taken Coventry down. Someone told me he had done a good job there but it had gone sour. To which I replied that this was the same as crediting the Captain of the Titanic for the first half of an uneventful voyage...

 

Thankfully, I am a big boy and know that I am as full of bull as the next football fan.

 

Shame more people couldn't accept that we are ALL fallible and that there is no such thing as the right opinion. Just opinion.

 

Although one thing that does do my head in is the ready acceptance of rumour as fact. Perhaps we could have a moratorium on that too??

 

Spot on most have us have posted things that turned out to be wrong if we're honest. I'll freely admit to being royally ****ed off by APs sacking at the time and reckoned at we'd f ucked up our chances of being champions last season. As it was we pulled it around and missed out on being champions by a gnats whisker. Still I don't regret my stance at the time I called it as I saw it.

[Smirking_Saint]

Shame I'll miss you're late night weekend posts involving the word cock and arse a lot..........

 

I still swear alot when Sober TBF

 

I'll pop on every now and again, but IMO, the humour on here has gone and many of the decent posters just don't bother any more, both from a Muppet show and serious perspective.

[Bearsy]

In reality, how would you feel if you had a row with the missus, you made up (probably had great sex) and then six months later when there is a little spat over something else altogether, she goes away and comes back with a video tape of your previous row.

 

hi has she also got a video of the make-up sex? send me a pm

[um pahars]

Spot on most have us have posted things that turned out to be wrong if we're honest.

 

Agreed!!!

 

Shearer missed too many one on ones, whilst Townsend was the dogs. Many a night up The Woodman arguing the toss. Don't remember people being told not to air their views (although when Merryoak turned up One night there wasn't much talking going on!!!!)

[SaintBobby]

Agreed. If you're not prepared to have your utter cobblers called out when you're wrong, don't post it in the first place. If you think "I was upset" is an excuse, plenty of others will just think you're being an idiot and should control yourself a bit better. Equally, when you're right, don't expect anyone to care !

 

Speaking of which, has anyone found the preseason predictions for 2010/11 yet ?

 

My pre-season prediction was 10th.

 

But I'm now thinking more optimistic...maybe playoffs.

[skintsaint]

http://www.notquitewrong.com/rosscottinc/2011/08/03/so-youre-mad-about-something-on-the-internet/

 

sums up a lot about this thread.

[Charlie Wayman]

I still swear alot when Sober TBF

 

I'll pop on every now and again, but IMO, the humour on here has gone and many of the decent posters just don't bother any more, both from a Muppet show and serious perspective.

 

Well, that resolution didn't last long. And here's we all thinking yu'd gone fer gud. How often is "now and again" - best surely to part once and quickly?

[Smirking_Saint]

Well, that resolution didn't last long. And here's we all thinking yu'd gone fer gud. How often is "now and again" - best surely to part once and quickly?

 

Could always post on the Arsenal forum if you'll miss me ??

 

It wasn't really a I am never posting again message btw, just no where near to the extent I used to, I used to enjoy the fact you could act a mong on TMS and take the ****, everything was fair game, and the fact we could talk seriously in the official saints forum.

 

Now you can't really do either, and its a shame, too many bannings, too much censorship and too many mongs

[NickG]

thing I never got was that negative posters label themselves as realistic when they are often those furthest out in their predictions.

 

one 'respected' poster on here pm'ed me during the good run saying he couldn't enjoy it as the manner of the wins meant it wouldn't last??

 

if you can't enjoy the sort of run we have had since Adkins think you would be happier with another hobby.

 

 

This forum has moved from shared enjoyment of saints, discussion on tactics, players and rumours to an over-whelming negative slating / criticising / questioning of saints for the sake of it.

 

Just passing observer now!

[buctootim]

thing I never got was that negative posters label themselves as realistic when they are often those furthest out in their predictions.

 

one 'respected' poster on here pm'ed me during the good run saying he couldn't enjoy it as the manner of the wins meant it wouldn't last??

 

if you can't enjoy the sort of run we have had since Adkins think you would be happier with another hobby.

 

 

This forum has moved from shared enjoyment of saints, discussion on tactics, players and rumours to an over-whelming negative slating / criticising / questioning of saints for the sake of it.

 

Just passing observer now!

 

Ditto. And as the interesting posters have declined then the concentration of the poisonous goons has increased.

[Legod Third Coming]

Ditto. And as the interesting posters have declined then the concentration of the poisonous goons has increased.

 

Then you and Nick G must take some of the blame I'm afraid.

 

A community is reliant on its members to dictate the standards of behaviour.

 

If the riots of the past few weeks taught us anything it is that the silent majority MUST have a voice.

 

Standing back, tutting and shaking a head is not sufficient.

 

Until a vocal majority realise and appreciate that they are in fact a vocal MINORITY, then the world will continue to be held to ransom by those with the biggest voices, but who do not constitute the biggest opinion.

 

I URGE every poster who thinks that they are no longer welcome or who perceives that they fall into a positive minority to THINK again.

 

In the words of JFK - "Be the change you want to see in the world".

 

This and only this is the way people can determine their own outcomes, can be free of oppression and can live to the total of their expectations and aspirations.

 

Argument and debate are the lifeblood of society.

[saintmatt]

As I said, hindsight is a wonderful thing. If people were honest they were not expecting an amazing run like we had and I seriously doubt anyone was thinking that, certain Not immediately following a disappointing defeat.

 

I doubt people were expecting Huddersfield to carry on their unbeaten run either though.. If both our and their runs weren't expected then we were probably still on for 2nd carrying on our form as it was?

[buctootim]

Then you and Nick G must take some of the blame I'm afraid.

 

A community is reliant on its members to dictate the standards of behaviour.

 

If the riots of the past few weeks taught us anything it is that the silent majority MUST have a voice.

 

Standing back, tutting and shaking a head is not sufficient.

 

Until a vocal majority realise and appreciate that they are in fact a vocal MINORITY, then the world will continue to be held to ransom by those with the biggest voices, but who do not constitute the biggest opinion.

 

I URGE every poster who thinks that they are no longer welcome or who perceives that they fall into a positive minority to THINK again.

 

In the words of JFK - "Be the change you want to see in the world".

 

This and only this is the way people can determine their own outcomes, can be free of oppression and can live to the total of their expectations and aspirations.

 

Argument and debate are the lifeblood of society.

 

But this isn't a community in the sense that we each have an equal say in how it governed. If it were things may have been very different. As it is the people who own the site have, in my opinion, a poor grasp / flawed judgement of what makes a vibrant, varied and interesting forum for Saints fans. On any successful special interest forum, whilst there will be a huge range of personalities and outlooks, the members are united by a common passion. This isnt the case for a fairly small number of prolific posters of this site - what emanates from them - forcefully, repeatedly and unavoidably is not enthusiasm for Saints (although that may be present and buried deep somewhere) but a need to criticise, get a reaction or be condescending to fellow posters.

 

People often make a plea for tolerance, using the analogy of this forum as a group of diverse mates down the pub discussing football. I agree that wide ranges of political, economic, social, environmental and sporting views are fascinating to engage with. With friends views are considered and debated, you learn a bit and maybe change an opinion or two. Unresolvable differences are eased away because mates also have a fairly complete set of social skills and manage to inject huge doses of wit and humour, not take themselves too seriously and excercise a bit of self restraint. It needs to be fun, so people self regulate because they know that if they are repeatedly dull, condescending and critical about the beer, the pub, Saints, the weather et al - they find themselves drinking alone pretty quickly. This forum turns that process on its head. There is no peer pressure. The witty, the moderate, and the balanced get squeezed out, banned or turned into casual visitor mode. The goons who would never find an audience in the pub get the (emptying) place to themselves.

Edited 3 September, 2011 by buctootim

[hypochondriac]

How can anyone think there is a positive minority on here? Many of the positive posters are the most militant in their views and least accepting of opposing opinions.

[revolution saint]

How can anyone think there is a positive minority on here? Many of the positive posters are the most militant in their views and least accepting of opposing opinions.

 

Can I positively agree with this statement? I'm not sure......

[aintforever]

One of the problems is if you think we need a new player or disagree with something the chairman does, you are considered negative.

 

Some people are scared of having an opinion in case they ruin the atmosphere on the happy clappy mong bus.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

One of the problems is if you think we need a new player or disagree with something the chairman does, you are considered negative.

 

Some people are scared of having an opinion in case they ruin the atmosphere on the happy clappy mong bus.

 

 

Sorry, I had to smile at this - after Buccotim's ironic contribution it cheered me up

[Avenue Saint]

One of the problems is if you think we need a new player or disagree with something the chairman does, you are considered negative.

 

Some people are scared of having an opinion in case they ruin the atmosphere on the happy clappy mong bus.

 

Have you ever agreed with the chairman or posted anything to this effect you wet plank? Ffs!

[Avenue Saint]

But this isn't a community in the sense that we each have an equal say in how it governed. If it were things may have been very different. As it is the people who own the site have, in my opinion, a poor grasp / flawed judgement of what makes a vibrant, varied and interesting forum for Saints fans. On any successful special interest forum, whilst there will be a huge range of personalities and outlooks, the members are united by a common passion. This isnt the case for a fairly small number of prolific posters of this site - what emanates from them - forcefully, repeatedly and unavoidably is not enthusiasm for Saints (although that may be present and buried deep somewhere) but a need to criticise, get a reaction or be condescending to fellow posters.

 

People often make a plea for tolerance, using the analogy of this forum as a group of diverse mates down the pub discussing football. I agree that wide ranges of political, economic, social, environmental and sporting views are fascinating to engage with. With friends views are considered and debated, you learn a bit and maybe change an opinion or two. Unresolvable differences are eased away because mates also have a fairly complete set of social skills and manage to inject huge doses of wit and humour, not take themselves too seriously and excercise a bit of self restraint. It needs to be fun, so people self regulate because they know that if they are repeatedly dull, condescending and critical about the beer, the pub, Saints, the weather et al - they find themselves drinking alone pretty quickly. This forum turns that process on its head. There is no peer pressure. The witty, the moderate, and the balanced get squeezed out, banned or turned into casual visitor mode. The goons who would never find an audience in the pub get the (emptying) place to themselves.

 

Beautiful post!

[CanadaSaint]

Beautiful post!

 

I liked that post a lot as well but let's not lose the point.

 

My intent was not to suppress negativity because some is certainly justified. I certainly don't think Adkins or (especially) Cortese are fault free, although I applaud them both on the bigger picture level, and I also blow hot and cold on individual players.

 

Perhaps most important, my intent certainly wasn't to suppress input or to tell people "not to air their views".

 

This isn't about being right or wrong. God, I (reluctantly) supported SISU.

 

The intent was to highlight the unjustified and sometimes downright nasty over the top posts that annoy and alienate people. Even allowing for the anger and frustration of a bad loss, there are IMO no good excuses for some of the stuff posted on here.

 

I'm sorry if reasonable people think the thread is out of order but if it causes posters to think a bit more before they hit "submit" it has achieved its goal.

 

It has, for the most part, been a good discussion.

[alpine_saint]

One of the problems is if you think we need a new player or disagree with something the chairman does, you are considered negative.

 

Some people are scared of having an opinion in case they ruin the atmosphere on the happy clappy mong bus.

 

Lol.

 

I find the piety and sheer hypocrisy of NickGs and Buctootims contributions funny as f*ck too.

[Legod Third Coming]

But this isn't a community in the sense that we each have an equal say in how it governed. If it were things may have been very different. As it is the people who own the site have, in my opinion, a poor grasp / flawed judgement of what makes a vibrant, varied and interesting forum for Saints fans. On any successful special interest forum, whilst there will be a huge range of personalities and outlooks, the members are united by a common passion. This isnt the case for a fairly small number of prolific posters of this site - what emanates from them - forcefully, repeatedly and unavoidably is not enthusiasm for Saints (although that may be present and buried deep somewhere) but a need to criticise, get a reaction or be condescending to fellow posters.

 

People often make a plea for tolerance, using the analogy of this forum as a group of diverse mates down the pub discussing football. I agree that wide ranges of political, economic, social, environmental and sporting views are fascinating to engage with. With friends views are considered and debated, you learn a bit and maybe change an opinion or two. Unresolvable differences are eased away because mates also have a fairly complete set of social skills and manage to inject huge doses of wit and humour, not take themselves too seriously and excercise a bit of self restraint. It needs to be fun, so people self regulate because they know that if they are repeatedly dull, condescending and critical about the beer, the pub, Saints, the weather et al - they find themselves drinking alone pretty quickly. This forum turns that process on its head. There is no peer pressure. The witty, the moderate, and the balanced get squeezed out, banned or turned into casual visitor mode. The goons who would never find an audience in the pub get the (emptying) place to themselves.

 

I don't necessarily agree.

 

Take your pub analogy.

 

If someone is a total arse, then there is no need to engage them in debate - and certainly no compulsion to speak to them (or buy them a drink!)

 

If you simply walk away from a forum such as this, what you are essentially doing is vacating the pub and stopping drinking - unless you've moved to another forum/pub??

 

I find it interesting that people feel so strongly about certain 'negative' posters but end up fixated on their view rather than in discussion with other posters who might have a more similar or positive view.

 

The simple solution is not to leave the room, but to turn your back on those whom you would rather not hear or engage with.

 

When some of the threads are started or posts made, which are clearly of a negative or critical view, there is no need to respond or give them credence. Equally, because someone (like Alpine) is critical does not mean he is always wrong - as someone else said, life is full of pessimists, optimists and a vast number of people who swing both ways!

[doddisalegend]

But this isn't a community in the sense that we each have an equal say in how it governed. If it were things may have been very different. As it is the people who own the site have, in my opinion, a poor grasp / flawed judgement of what makes a vibrant, varied and interesting forum for Saints fans. On any successful special interest forum, whilst there will be a huge range of personalities and outlooks, the members are united by a common passion. This isnt the case for a fairly small number of prolific posters of this site - what emanates from them - forcefully, repeatedly and unavoidably is not enthusiasm for Saints (although that may be present and buried deep somewhere) but a need to criticise, get a reaction or be condescending to fellow posters.

 

People often make a plea for tolerance, using the analogy of this forum as a group of diverse mates down the pub discussing football. I agree that wide ranges of political, economic, social, environmental and sporting views are fascinating to engage with. With friends views are considered and debated, you learn a bit and maybe change an opinion or two. Unresolvable differences are eased away because mates also have a fairly complete set of social skills and manage to inject huge doses of wit and humour, not take themselves too seriously and excercise a bit of self restraint. It needs to be fun, so people self regulate because they know that if they are repeatedly dull, condescending and critical about the beer, the pub, Saints, the weather et al - they find themselves drinking alone pretty quickly. This forum turns that process on its head. There is no peer pressure. The witty, the moderate, and the balanced get squeezed out, banned or turned into casual visitor mode. The goons who would never find an audience in the pub get the (emptying) place to themselves.

 

You see that post would be so much better If I hadn't seen you baiting the resident troll that is Dune so many times. The same goes for Nick G and his constant tit for tat with Alpine. People complain about certain posters yet enter into internet handbags with them frenquently when the best thing would be to leave them well alone and not give them a platform If they offend that much.

[hypochondriac]

I don't necessarily agree.

 

Take your pub analogy.

 

If someone is a total arse, then there is no need to engage them in debate - and certainly no compulsion to speak to them (or buy them a drink!)

 

If you simply walk away from a forum such as this, what you are essentially doing is vacating the pub and stopping drinking - unless you've moved to another forum/pub??

 

I find it interesting that people feel so strongly about certain 'negative' posters but end up fixated on their view rather than in discussion with other posters who might have a more similar or positive view.

 

The simple solution is not to leave the room, but to turn your back on those whom you would rather not hear or engage with.

 

When some of the threads are started or posts made, which are clearly of a negative or critical view, there is no need to respond or give them credence. Equally, because someone (like Alpine) is critical does not mean he is always wrong - as someone else said, life is full of pessimists, optimists and a vast number of people who swing both ways!

 

Absolutely the best post on here. Sums it up perfectly. If only the positivity police were able to do that then the forum would not have a problem.

[buctootim]

I don't necessarily agree.

 

Take your pub analogy.

 

If someone is a total arse, then there is no need to engage them in debate - and certainly no compulsion to speak to them (or buy them a drink!)

 

If you simply walk away from a forum such as this, what you are essentially doing is vacating the pub and stopping drinking - unless you've moved to another forum/pub??

 

I find it interesting that people feel so strongly about certain 'negative' posters but end up fixated on their view rather than in discussion with other posters who might have a more similar or positive view.

 

The simple solution is not to leave the room, but to turn your back on those whom you would rather not hear or engage with.

 

When some of the threads are started or posts made, which are clearly of a negative or critical view, there is no need to respond or give them credence. Equally, because someone (like Alpine) is critical does not mean he is always wrong - as someone else said, life is full of pessimists, optimists and a vast number of people who swing both ways!

 

But you choose your pub by the atmosphere. If your favourite local gets taken over by mongs, you might try to turn your back, but if they still make up the majority of the noise eventually you go elswhere. You only have to look at the moronic quality of the post above yours, predictable almost down to the word, to understand why, at this very moment there are perhaps 50-60 browsing this board and there have been posts on 12 threads in the past two hours. By contrast there are 843 people online on the Brighton board North Stand Chat right now (with 6,824 active members compared with 3,400 here) and they have more than three times the number of active threads. Thats a measure of the vibrancy, and fun, this place has lost.

Edited 3 September, 2011 by buctootim

[Wes Tender]

But you choose your pub by the atmosphere. If your favourite local gets taken over by mongs, you might try to turn your back, but if they still make up the majority of the noise eventually you go elswhere. You only have to look at the moronic quality of the post above yours, predictable almost down to the word, to understand why, at this very moment there are perhaps 50-60 browsing this board and there have been posts on 12 threads in the past two hours. By contrast there are 843 people online on the Brighton board North Stand Chat right now (with 6,824 active members compared with 3,400 here) and they have more than three times the number of active threads.

 

They're all using it as a gay dating site.

[buctootim]

You see that post would be so much better If I hadn't seen you baiting the resident troll that is Dune so many times. The same goes for Nick G and his constant tit for tat with Alpine. People complain about certain posters yet enter into internet handbags with them frenquently when the best thing would be to leave them well alone and not give them a platform If they offend that much.

 

Fair comment from six months ago, although I dont bother now. The trolls have won and the place is a near graveyard because of it.

[buctootim]

They're all using it as a gay dating site.

 

Actually there is a thread on 'Palace pay up front?'.......

[um pahars]

The intent was to highlight the unjustified and sometimes downright nasty over the top posts that annoy and alienate people. Even allowing for the anger and frustration of a bad loss, there are IMO no good excuses for some of the stuff posted on here.

 

I don't think anyone would argue that there is no need for the over the top and nasty posts. Using the pub analogy once again I very much doubt some posters on here would repeat in person what they find so easy to post on here.

 

But it must be remembered that some of the nasty and over the top posts (and continual baiting) have been aimed at those who are deemed "negative" or "pessimistic".

Edited 3 September, 2011 by um pahars

[CB Fry]

thing I never got was that negative posters label themselves as realistic when they are often those furthest out in their predictions.

 

one 'respected' poster on here pm'ed me during the good run saying he couldn't enjoy it as the manner of the wins meant it wouldn't last??

 

if you can't enjoy the sort of run we have had since Adkins think you would be happier with another hobby.

 

 

This forum has moved from shared enjoyment of saints, discussion on tactics, players and rumours to an over-whelming negative slating / criticising / questioning of saints for the sake of it.

 

Just passing observer now!

 

 

I've been on this forum and its predecessors since the Strachan era and this pining for the good old days when posters said "jolly good point, Claude, well bowled" to each other was going on then and it's still going on now. Pining for a forum that has never, ever existed.

 

When were these super polite courteous debates going on? When Sturrock took over? When Sir Clive arrived? When we got relegated and spent £90k on Fuller? When Wilde stepped in? When Wilde lost interest? When Lowe came back? When we went into freaking administration? When Pardew got the boot? Do point me in the direction of a thread where any of that was debated respectfully and amicably.

 

 

 

As for your second point, I couldn't agree less. The positive posters are far more likely to be inaccurate than the negative ones.

 

The positive posters have spent most of my time on these forums talking the club down and then talking them up to equally ridiculous inaccurate levels. It was positive posters who pompously told everyone that Saints fans were "arrogant" to expect to beat Yeovil and Saints should not consider themselves a bigger club than Yeovil. It was positive posters who used to say scraping a draw against some nothing team like Walsall or whoever was a fantastic result. These days it's positive posters peddling the lie that we're off to the Champions League to fill our 45,000 seater stadium entirely because people said you couldn't climb Everest and something about Chelsea not having many fans in the eighties. Positive posters haven't got a fu ck ing clue.

[derry]

What this thread has shown is that the problem posters still don't get it. I'm going to try and persuade Weston/Clifford Nelson and Teddy Nutkins to give it another go. My view is the more decent posters there are, the more it will emphasise and marginalise the problem.

[Block 5]

Jeez.......I see the same old tarts are still banging on about the same old shoyte.

 

If only there was some kind of virtual group hug.......

 

[hypochondriac]

What this thread has shown is that the problem posters still don't get it. I'm going to try and persuade Weston/Clifford Nelson and Teddy Nutkins to give it another go. My view is the more decent posters there are, the more it will emphasise and marginalise the problem.

 

But in the view of many you are also a problem poster. Who has decided that you are the one who can judge if someone is a problem poster or not? How arrogant of you.

 

I certainly won't be changing my posting style due to this thread and I would hope that others aren't scared by you and your mates and will continue to air their opinions, whether I agree with them or not.

[derry]

Continue to be whatever you like. I really couldn't care less about you or your posts, however the more people that are only interested in well mannered discussions/conversations/football without the stupidity supplied so ably by yourself and a few others, you can be just ignored as you carry on your petty arguments as part of the background while those that wish can converse amongst themselves.

[hypochondriac]

Continue to be whatever you like. I really couldn't care less about you or your posts, however the more people that are only interested in well mannered discussions/conversations/football without the stupidity supplied so ably by yourself and a few others, you can be just ignored as you carry on your petty arguments as part of the background while those that wish can converse amongst themselves.

 

I am interested in well mannered discussion about football and sfc. It's just that Canada saint and yourself get so offended by posters with an opinion they do not like, that they have to start threads like this designed to cause trouble (whatever he claims) or claim that the likes of myself is not a true fan.

 

I want to discuss saints and theories about sfc in both a positive AND negative way with those prepared to do so. If you have no desire to do that then as you suggest, it would be better if you ignored me.

[Thedelldays]

no offense Hypo. but I see you are managing to suck the will to live out of this thread...

 

christ almighty

[sfc4prem]

Deary me. I'm off to northstandchat.

[derry]

I am interested in well mannered discussion about football and sfc. It's just that Canada saint and yourself get so offended by posters with an opinion they do not like, that they have to start threads like this designed to cause trouble (whatever he claims) or claim that the likes of myself is not a true fan.

 

I want to discuss saints and theories about sfc in both a positive AND negative way with those prepared to do so. If you have no desire to do that then as you suggest, it would be better if you ignored me.

 

Where you get the idea I don't like your posts I have no idea. I think most of them are drivel and need no response.

[doddisalegend]

I've been on this forum and its predecessors since the Strachan era and this pining for the good old days when posters said "jolly good point, Claude, well bowled" to each other was going on then and it's still going on now. Pining for a forum that has never, ever existed.

 

When were these super polite courteous debates going on? When Sturrock took over? When Sir Clive arrived? When we got relegated and spent £90k on Fuller? When Wilde stepped in? When Wilde lost interest? When Lowe came back? When we went into freaking administration? When Pardew got the boot? Do point me in the direction of a thread where any of that was debated respectfully and amicably.

 

 

 

As for your second point, I couldn't agree less. The positive posters are far more likely to be inaccurate than the negative ones.

 

The positive posters have spent most of my time on these forums talking the club down and then talking them up to equally ridiculous inaccurate levels. It was positive posters who pompously told everyone that Saints fans were "arrogant" to expect to beat Yeovil and Saints should not consider themselves a bigger club than Yeovil. It was positive posters who used to say scraping a draw against some nothing team like Walsall or whoever was a fantastic result. These days it's positive posters peddling the lie that we're off to the Champions League to fill our 45,000 seater stadium entirely because people said you couldn't climb Everest and something about Chelsea not having many fans in the eighties. Positive posters haven't got a fu ck ing clue.

 

That is very true I don't ever remember this place or the one before being full of polite disscussions about 4-4-2 Vs 4-5-1 and nothing else.

[Gingeletiss]

But in the view of many you are also a problem poster. Who has decided that you are the one who can judge if someone is a problem poster or not? How arrogant of you.

 

 

You stupid wum, read again, what you have posted, what a silly boy you are!

[CanadaSaint]

I am interested in well mannered discussion about football and sfc. It's just that Canada saint and yourself get so offended by posters with an opinion they do not like, that they have to start threads like this designed to cause trouble (whatever he claims) or claim that the likes of myself is not a true fan.

 

I want to discuss saints and theories about sfc in both a positive AND negative way with those prepared to do so. If you have no desire to do that then as you suggest, it would be better if you ignored me.

 

I am not offended by posters with an opinion I don't like. How many times do I have to say that for it to register with you?

 

That's yet another example of the style you don't want to change. When you get into flare-ups, which is so very often, you have a nasty habit of misrepresenting what others said in a desperate attempt to make yourself look better. Your "not a true fan" hysteria fits into the same category (read the Walsall thread to see how you concocted that lie, as I futilely challenged you to do several times before).

 

And here's another part of your "style". All of that is usually accompanied with the pitiful wail that posters like you are being hounded because you say things that others don't like.

 

Try this one for size:

 

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT YOU

 

It's about any and all of the posters who are over the top with their negative comments. The Walsall thread was such a good example. Yes, the cap fits very snugly on your head and on the head of some others who have been on here wailing about the thread topic.

 

It really says everything about you that you arrogantly refuse to accept the point being made and then accuse others of arrogance.

[hypochondriac]

You stupid wum, read again, what you have posted, what a silly boy you are!

 

If Derry believes that is fine for him to label people a problem poster then he should realise that he is also viewed as such by other posters. Having said that, in my opinion it is arrogant to label anyone as a problem poster simply because you disagree with what they say and how they say it and defend themselves. I don't think anyone is a problem poster as such, I do think posters like Derry would do well to be more open minded about topics on here but I would happily have a sensible conversation with him if he was up for it.

 

I don't know why I am bothering to reply to you though tbh. It will probably give you the attention you crave.

[hypochondriac]

Where you get the idea I don't like your posts I have no idea. I think most of them are drivel and need no response.

 

Fantastic. Don't reply then.

[Gingeletiss]

It will probably give you the attention you crave.

 

Says the man/boy with 12,274 posts!

[sfc4prem]

If Derry believes that is fine for him to label people a problem poster then he should realise that he is also viewed as such by other posters. Having said that, in my opinion it is arrogant to label anyone as a problem poster simply because you disagree with what they say and how they say it and defend themselves. I don't think anyone is a problem poster as such, I do think posters like Derry would do well to be more open minded about topics on here but I would happily have a sensible conversation with him if he was up for it.

 

I don't know why I am bothering to reply to you though tbh. It will probably give you the attention you crave.

 

Need a ladder to get out of that hole??