Some Hindsight on Negativity

[Lets B Avenue]

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and I can't ever remember feeling so down as I drove along the M40.

 

You did what?

[Wes Tender]

Well as well as the fact that gorkss played almost all the games for qpr last year and is universally liked over there.

 

And then all of a sudden, this great pillar of QPR's success becomes surplus to requirements for them. Nobody knows for sure the ins and outs of the dealings for him, whether they wanted too much, whether the medical identified any potential problems, whether he wanted to be here, or whether he saw eye to eye with Adkins, etc.

 

Made welcome to whom? Ah, the fans. Those founts of knowledge whose judgment is to be taken over that of the people on the inside, the experts, those who do this as a profession. So Gorkss and Jemel would have been fantastic signings, whereas because Celtic mongs say so, Jos will be crap. I see.

[Wes Tender]

You did what?

 

Personally, I can't remember feeling so down in all of my years supporting the Saints as when Lowe came back in tandem with the Quisling. But still, if others feel that they reached their lowest ebb after losing to Walsall, then everybody is entitled to have their own lowest moments.

[dubai_phil]

There's one point the OP has missed.

 

Alp's was RIGHT last season, and he pinged it during the actual pre-season. OK things turned around, and in fact I found myself on one trip back home before Xmas last year defending Adkins down the pub with some prominent posters, I had seen what he was trying to achieve and that things had turned around. I noted that they have acknowledged their points and are cheering us on like everyone else.

 

But on negativity, it is a very valid point. Again many "fans/mates I talk to when back home have stopped even lurking on here because of the pessimistic veiw of the world that some continue to express.

 

It ISN'T about being Happy Clappy or Negative, it's about the WAY those opinions are expressed on both sides, often without any regard for reality or even a basic reading of what NA or NC has said.

 

A couple of obvious skates appeared after the window trolling suicidal posts about not signing 26 new players. The perpetual moaners hid serious posts and attempts to debate by more balanced posters about WHY we had failed to sign the required CB & CF. Their opinion that NC was "at fault" was shouted every time anyone tried to discuss whether J Rod was actually worth 2/3rds of Peter Crouch or double Robbie Keane.

 

The point is the constant drip of negativity and shouted opnion covers up when those posters (like Alp's last year) actually HAD a valid point. CS is right, it is a disease and it does stifle debate. Disagree with Hypo on something and he posts 3,000 times on one thread explaining his position so nobody gets to read any sensible posts in the midst of so much.

 

What we actually need is not Happy Clappers or doomsayers. We need realists.

[Lets B Avenue]

Personally, I can't remember feeling so down in all of my years supporting the Saints as when Lowe came back in tandem with the Quisling. But still, if others feel that they reached their lowest ebb after losing to Walsall, then everybody is entitled to have their own lowest moments.

 

I wasnt commenting on his feelings. However, his back-seat driving skills are legend.

[Legod Third Coming]

There's one point the OP has missed.

 

Alp's was RIGHT last season, and he pinged it during the actual pre-season. OK things turned around, and in fact I found myself on one trip back home before Xmas last year defending Adkins down the pub with some prominent posters, I had seen what he was trying to achieve and that things had turned around. I noted that they have acknowledged their points and are cheering us on like everyone else.

 

But on negativity, it is a very valid point. Again many "fans/mates I talk to when back home have stopped even lurking on here because of the pessimistic veiw of the world that some continue to express.

 

It ISN'T about being Happy Clappy or Negative, it's about the WAY those opinions are expressed on both sides, often without any regard for reality or even a basic reading of what NA or NC has said.

 

A couple of obvious skates appeared after the window trolling suicidal posts about not signing 26 new players. The perpetual moaners hid serious posts and attempts to debate by more balanced posters about WHY we had failed to sign the required CB & CF. Their opinion that NC was "at fault" was shouted every time anyone tried to discuss whether J Rod was actually worth 2/3rds of Peter Crouch or double Robbie Keane.

 

The point is the constant drip of negativity and shouted opnion covers up when those posters (like Alp's last year) actually HAD a valid point. CS is right, it is a disease and it does stifle debate. Disagree with Hypo on something and he posts 3,000 times on one thread explaining his position so nobody gets to read any sensible posts in the midst of so much.

 

What we actually need is not Happy Clappers or doomsayers. We need realists.

 

That's a bit like saying, we need everyone to have a balanced view. Are you a Liberal Democrat by any chance?

[yorkie]

Reflection and hindsight are great tools for the mass debater to fall back on when all reasoning seems to have gone out the window.

 

Walsall last season was a one off game - we battered them, played some lovely football - couldn't score and got done by their only shot on target from memory. So we lost - I think Rochdale was a bigger disappointment.

 

For some the joy of football is only about winning - for others it is the way your team plays and whether you feel they have given their all. As fans we all have a right to an opinion - but that's all it is. Some people on here take everything written as gospel - and can't see the wider picture.

 

This is my own view - watching Adkins create a team with spirit and a winning mentality over the last 12-months has been a joy. The commitment of the players has been second to none except for the odd exception. The fans away from home have been fantastic - the atmosphere generated has been excellent. Numbers don't lie - we take more away now than when we were in The Premiership. Perhaps nothing to do with signing a big name - but who needs them? I am really enjoying watching and following Saints at the moment - and one or two signings will not make any difference to that!

[hypochondriac]

And then all of a sudden, this great pillar of QPR's success becomes surplus to requirements for them. Nobody knows for sure the ins and outs of the dealings for him, whether they wanted too much, whether the medical identified any potential problems, whether he wanted to be here, or whether he saw eye to eye with Adkins, etc.

 

Made welcome to whom? Ah, the fans. Those founts of knowledge whose judgment is to be taken over that of the people on the inside, the experts, those who do this as a profession. So Gorkss and Jemel would have been fantastic signings, whereas because Celtic mongs say so, Jos will be crap. I see.

 

Nope never said he would be crap. Haven't seen anyone say that either. You see what you want to see

[The9]

If I leave my socks and pants on the bathroom floor, Lady Trousers will often give me a ticking off about it, which can then descend into an argument about something else.

 

However, if Lady Trousers leaves her under garments on the bathroom floor I typically won't mention it to her in case it triggers an argument.

 

Two approaches: confrontational vs pragmatism.

 

Welcome to the wonderful world of human nature, oh wise folk of the SaintsWeb Forum.

 

Are you saying we need more women on here ? The last one I took any notice of cost me about £50k once we'd sold the house at a loss, so let's not, eh ?

[Legod Third Coming]

Reflection and hindsight are great tools for the mass debater to fall back on when all reasoning seems to have gone out the window.

 

Walsall last season was a one off game - we battered them, played some lovely football - couldn't score and got done by their only shot on target from memory. So we lost - I think Rochdale was a bigger disappointment.

 

For some the joy of football is only about winning - for others it is the way your team plays and whether you feel they have given their all. As fans we all have a right to an opinion - but that's all it is. Some people on here take everything written as gospel - and can't see the wider picture.

 

This is my own view - watching Adkins create a team with spirit and a winning mentality over the last 12-months has been a joy. The commitment of the players has been second to none except for the odd exception. The fans away from home have been fantastic - the atmosphere generated has been excellent. Numbers don't lie - we take more away now than when we were in The Premiership. Perhaps nothing to do with signing a big name - but who needs them? I am really enjoying watching and following Saints at the moment - and one or two signings will not make any difference to that!

 

Amen brother.

[Legod Third Coming]

If I leave my socks and pants on the bathroom floor, Lady Trousers will often give me a ticking off about it, which can then descend into an argument about something else.

 

However, if Lady Trousers leaves her under garments on the bathroom floor I typically won't mention it to her in case it triggers an argument.

 

Two approaches: confrontational vs pragmatism.

 

Welcome to the wonderful world of human nature, oh wise folk of the SaintsWeb Forum.

 

There is no mention of the outcome when you leave Lady Trousers' undergaments on the bathroom floor...

[Lets B Avenue]

Nope never said he would be crap. Haven't seen anyone say that either. You see what you want to see

 

But on post 12 on the Jos signs thread.

 

"Seems pretty awful but prepared to see what he's like."

 

Very magnanimous of you.

[alpine_saint]

In reality, how would you feel if you had a row with the missus, you made up (probably had great sex) and then six months later when there is a little spat over something else altogether, she goes away and comes back with a video tape of your previous row...

 

We all say things in the heat of the moment that we:

 

a) might not really mean

b) might, on reflection decide we didn't mean

c) did not intend to say or wouldn't have said with the benefit of a little reflection

d) later change our mind over.

 

For the life of me I cannot fathom why some our fans are so angry, upset and frustrated with our current situation. To me it begger's belief. Two years ago it was just possible we would have been building up to a game in the Isthmian league this weekend. Now I'm looking forward to life in the Premiership next year!

 

Conversely, surely it is better to try to have a reasoned argument with people like Hypo, Alps or whomever rather than simply dismissing their opinion?

 

Their views may run contrary to any sanity you perceive, but we have to imagine they are genuinely held.

 

Great post.

[hypochondriac]

But on post 12 on the Jos signs thread.

 

"Seems pretty awful but prepared to see what he's like."

 

Very magnanimous of you.

 

Yes it seemed awful. It's an initial on the spot reaction from reading about him, not a judgement calling him cr*p before he has played for saints. Can you understand the difference?

 

Everyone has an opinion on a player before he signs. Do I know that if we signed that Swindon striker he would be rubbish for us? No I don't but I would have an initially unfavourable reaction. That doesn't mean I have written him off, simply that on the face of it a deal would be underwhelming. It's a messageboard to discuss reactions. Can you understand what I am trying to say? Because this issue is brought up time and again with those posters who believe you are not allowed a negative initial reaction about a signing before he has played for us (though obviously a positive reaction is perfectly fine.)

[Block 5]

Together as one!

 

Maybe elsewhere within the fanbase, but never on thisforrum.

 

This is a misguided , counter-productive and ultimately pointless thread.

 

The OP is out of order, as are those who have added fuel to the fire.

 

The mods who have allowed it to continue are also out of order. One wonders if it suits their agenda.

 

This is our most successful period in years but an infrequent visitor to this forum would be forgiven for thinking we were in administration!

[The9]

Together as one!

 

Maybe elsewhere within the fanbase, but never on thisforrum.

 

This is a misguided , counter-productive and ultimately pointless thread.

 

The OP is out of order, as are those who have added fuel to the fire.

 

The mods who have allowed it to continue are also out of order. One wonders if it suits their agenda.

 

This is our most successful period in years but an infrequent visitor to this forum would be forgiven for thinking we were in administration!

 

You're happy for someone reading that to assume you have only posted it to feed "an agenda" against "the mods" then ?

[Block 5]

Is that your assumption?

[Fitzhugh Fella]

But on post 12 on the Jos signs thread.

 

"Seems pretty awful but prepared to see what he's like."

 

Very magnanimous of you.

 

 

Steady you are getting confrontational and have, I note, put one foot in the positivity camp.

 

And yes it was you who drove me there and back to Walsall and it was the worst away game i have been to thanks to a dearth of drinking partners.

[derry]

There are some really good football posters that just can't be bothered to involve themselves anymore, because of the juvenile behaviour and the regular deterioration of sensible threads into totally irrelevant arguments by a small number, that then dominate the thread with their obnoxious tripe. Clifford Nelson, Teddy Nutkins (Ex Saints player), Weston Saint to name a few.

[hypochondriac]

There are some really good football posters that just can't be bothered to involve themselves anymore, because of the juvenile behaviour and the regular deterioration of sensible threads into totally irrelevant arguments by a small number, that then dominate the thread with their obnoxious tripe. Clifford Nelson, Teddy Nutkins (Ex Saints player), Weston Saint to name a few.

 

But then equally there are a small number who hound out decent posters with perhaps a slightly more negative view.

[derry]

But then equally there are a small number who hound out decent posters with perhaps a slightly more negative view.

 

I would include you amongst the juvenile few.

[Toadhall Saint]

There are some really good football posters that just can't be bothered to involve themselves anymore, because of the juvenile behaviour and the regular deterioration of sensible threads into totally irrelevant arguments by a small number, that then dominate the thread with their obnoxious tripe. Clifford Nelson, Teddy Nutkins (Ex Saints player), Weston Saint to name a few.

 

^^WHS^^ This forum has gone down in decent content over the last few years mainly because of immature posters who cannot debate just throw insults or just constanty whine about the club they profess to support. I understand people (like me) genuinely care about the club and whats going on at it but the constant over analysing is not good. Everyones views are valid but state it once and move on - too much over justification IMHO.

 

The forum seems more politically (SFC/SW) based than footie at times.

[Toadhall Saint]

But then equally there are a small number who hound out decent posters with perhaps a slightly more negative view.

 

 

Like who Hypo?? Genuinely interested.

[derry]

^^WHS^^ This forum has gone down in decent content over the last few years mainly because of immature posters who cannot debate just throw insults or just constanty whine about the club they profess to support. I understand people (like me) genuinely care about the club and whats going on at it but the constant over analysing is not good. Everyones views are valid but state it once and move on - too much over justification IMHO.

 

The forum seems more politically (SFC/SW) based than footie at times.

 

Quite!

[hypochondriac]

Like who Hypo?? Genuinely interested.

 

Well if you can't see the abuse that many (not even talking about myself) get just for having an opinion deemed 'negative' then I am staggered. Time and again it happens with the likes of CB Fry given routine abuse. Look at the sh*t Duncan (fitzhugh) gets led by manji and his constant baiting.Nick Illingsworth is a bit of an idiot and has done stupid things but many posters on here cross way over the line. There are loads of examples and certain people set the agenda about what can and cannot be discussed.

 

I visited the ugly inside the other day and OK it isn't to everyone's tastes but you able to discuss topics both positive and negative without being jumped on. There was one post I thought was a decent one from there:

 

To be honest last night i was thinking we are all ok. But today im thinking we havent delivered on the quality players we wanted. We have added a couple of players that can do the job but need a couple more. It was pretty shambolic trying to get players that didnt want to come here ie Sharp and Rodriguez. Also Fontaine ? what a cock up all that was but probably a hidden blessing in digusise.

 

 

We have all the chambo money still burning a hole in the pocket

 

Now to me that is a perfectly reasonable view to hold whether you agree with it or not. On here you can't put things like that, you get jumped on and abuse. That's the problem I and many others have with this forum.

[hypochondriac]

I would include you amongst the juvenile few.

 

I understand you are close friends with the original poster. No agenda to peddle here then. I certainly consider the original poster one of those I alluded to. Accused more than one poster of wanting the club to fail and not being a fan, simply because their opinion differed to his.

Edited 2 September, 2011 by hypochondriac

[derry]

I understand you are close friends with the original poster. No agenda to peddle here then.

 

No, there is no agenda. I am well able to make my own mind up and you are one of the worst offenders in destroying discussions. Your big problem is that you are thin skinned, you can dish out the abuse with the best but you are a big girl's blouse because you can't take it. Canada Saint is a big boy, way out of your league and needs no help from me.

[hypochondriac]

No, there is no agenda. I am well able to make my own mind up and you are one of the worst offenders in destroying discussions. Your big problem is that you are thin skinned, you can dish out the abuse with the best but you are a big girl's blouse because you can't take it. Canada Saint is a big boy, way out of your league and needs no help from me.

 

It's nice of you to stand up for your friend. Is this because I took the mick about your coaching badges?

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Wow, a c*ck-swinging p*ssing contest.

 

Threads like this are started by w*nkers.

 

Expecting a mod to lock extremely soon...

 

Made you look stupid as usual though.

[hypochondriac]

Seriously mods can we lock this yet? It's serving no purpose that I can see apart from seeing posters at each other's throats.

[Toadhall Saint]

Well if you can't see the abuse that many (not even talking about myself) get just for having an opinion deemed 'negative' then I am staggered. Time and again it happens with the likes of CB Fry given routine abuse. Look at the sh*t Duncan (fitzhugh) gets led by manji and his constant baiting.Nick Illingsworth is a bit of an idiot and has done stupid things but many posters on here cross way over the line. There are loads of examples and certain people set the agenda about what can and cannot be discussed.

 

I visited the ugly inside the other day and OK it isn't to everyone's tastes but you able to discuss topics both positive and negative without being jumped on. There was one post I thought was a decent one from there:

 

 

 

Now to me that is a perfectly reasonable view to hold whether you agree with it or not. On here you can't put things like that, you get jumped on and abuse. That's the problem I and many others have with this forum.

 

I see your point but really do not know what the answer is TBH. Perhaps people take things just a tad too personally especially when sarcasm is concerned - it doesn't come across in the written word to well. I just find it totally amazing that there are so many people that want to play the man and not the ball. Also certain posters get tarred with the same brush if they come over negative - which I genuinely beleive is not the case - more concerned than negative. Its like the words feedback or critisim - one is perceived to be positive and one negative but in actuality they are both the same - just perceived to be differently. What really makes me laugh is that most of the posts subjects are discussed quite openly and at length in the pub before/after a game but you don't ee too many fights breaking out about it. On here I swear that some are on a keyboard not being able to hear the words spoken so just react in a way that would have caused a right royal punch up if face to face.

 

Think twice reply once is my way (after having a minor keyboard dust up on here with the OP - to which I appologised via a PM).

 

As to the Ugly - don't go on there very often TBH even tho' I'm a reasonably good friend of Nick's.

[alpine_saint]

Made you look stupid as usual though.

 

Yes, yes, of course it did

[hypochondriac]

I see your point but really do not know what the answer is TBH. Perhaps people take things just a tad too personally especially when sarcasm is concerned - it doesn't come across in the written word to well. I just find it totally amazing that there are so many people that want to play the man and not the ball. Also certain posters get tarred with the same brush if they come over negative - which I genuinely beleive is not the case - more concerned than negative. Its like the words feedback or critisim - one is perceived to be positive and one negative but in actuality they are both the same - just perceived to be differently. What really makes me laugh is that most of the posts subjects are discussed quite openly and at length in the pub before/after a game but you don't ee too many fights breaking out about it. On here I swear that some are on a keyboard not being able to hear the words spoken so just react in a way that would have caused a right royal punch up if face to face.

 

Think twice reply once is my way (after having a minor keyboard dust up on here with the OP - to which I appologised via a PM).

 

As to the Ugly - don't go on there very often TBH even tho' I'm a reasonably good friend of Nick's.

 

Great post and it would certainly make me think more about what I post if we had the likes of Canada saint being able to accept the opinions of others more readily.

[Dig Dig]

I'm just sick of the constant conspiracy theories and over analysis of things which are probably no better or worst than any other clubs throughout the leagues. This transfer window is a good example. Ok so we failed to bring in a striker which almost everyone agree's would be of the benefit of the club. It appears we had our targets, but lost out for whatever reason. Why do we then start speculating that because of this we're either impossible to deal with, have no money, up for sale etc etc. If there was such a problem, how have we managed to build an almost entire new squad since NC as been here, including 4 new players this summer? This is just one example. The thread the OP shared is another.

 

All I care about is how the team does on the pitch which for me couldn't get much better at the moment. I've seen my team promoted for the first time in my life, and have seen our best ever start to a season. We are playing really well and have a strong cohesive squad with some talented players and a mangager who IMO is very good.

 

Forgive me for not believing some of the negative **** which is spouted about on here when all the actual evidence points to a bright future.

[doddisalegend]

^^WHS^^ This forum has gone down in decent content over the last few years mainly because of immature posters who cannot debate just throw insults or just constanty whine about the club they profess to support. I understand people (like me) genuinely care about the club and whats going on at it but the constant over analysing is not good. Everyones views are valid but state it once and move on - too much over justification IMHO.

 

The forum seems more politically (SFC/SW) based than footie at times.

 

I always find it odd people single this forum out as somehow worse than all the other football forums out there. Just looking through a few other club forums (in fact internet forums in General on almost any subject) and they're all much like this one.

 

Lots of people with different views plus the protection of a key board invites forums to be just like this place Saintsweb really is no worse than the rest of the interwebby.

[um pahars]

What really makes me laugh is that most of the posts subjects are discussed quite openly and at length in the pub before/after a game but you don't ee too many fights breaking out about it. On here I swear that some are on a keyboard not being able to hear the words spoken so just react in a way that would have caused a right royal punch up if face to face.

 

Spot on.

 

I'm sure when our lot meet up before the next game we'll all be chuffed about the great start, we'll have a chat about how well Cork is settling in, but I'm sure we'll also discuss "missing out" on targets in the transfer window and then we'll have 7 or 8 different opinions on who our weak point is.

 

As you say most of the stuff posted up on it (from both extremes and all the the stuff in between) will happily get debated at the pub, pre or post match. It's been happening like that for years up and down the country. Football has always been passionate and it has always been about opinions. The way some people react on here is the problem, certainly not what is being said.

 

I certainly don't agree with hounding those who are deemed "happy clappers" or "negative doomsayers", we all should be able to handle a different opinion without getting all het up.

 

(and to answer your earlier point, as Hypochondriac points out Duncan has received huge amounts of abuse and baiting from a number of bedwetters. I mentioned a few days ago about the stick he got when he was repeating what he had been told about Pardew getting the sack, so it does cut both ways).

[Dig Dig]

Spot on.

 

I'm sure when our lot meet up before the next game we'll all be chuffed about the great start, we'll have a chat about how well Cork is settling in, but I'm sure we'll also discuss "missing out" on targets in the transfer window and then we'll have 7 or 8 different opinions on who our weak point is.

 

As you say most of the stuff posted up on it (from both extremes and all the the stuff in between) will happily get debated at the pub, pre or post match. It's been happening like that for years up and down the country. Football has always been passionate and it has always been about opinions. The way some people react on here is the problem, certainly not what is being said.

 

I certainly don't agree with hounding those who are deemed "happy clappers" or "negative doomsayers", we all should be able to handle a different opinion without getting all het up.

 

(and to answer your earlier point, as Hypochondriac points out Duncan has received huge amounts of abuse and baiting from a number of bedwetters. I mentioned a few days ago about the stick he got when he was repeating what he had been told about Pardew getting the sack, so it does cut both ways).

 

We're not just talking about opinions though. It's more about long running agenda's against certain members within the club and the constant need by some to look for percieved failings. These two things all too often end up taking over multiple threads. Not to mention the WUM's who take on a negative stance because they are looking for a reaction. It has nothing to do with a failure to take on others opinions.

[um pahars]

We're not just talking about opinions though. It's more about long running agenda's against certain members within the club

 

Long running agendas against certain members??? What's that supposed to mean???

 

I doubt anyone is left from the previous regimes to make it a long running agenda.

 

and the constant need by some to look for percieved failings.

 

Life is full of optimists, pessimists and those in between. The broad church of Southampton supporters is no different. If you feel someone is being too pessimistic, then of course tell them, but some of the stuff that gets posted on here is way OTT. As an example the way Duncan was denigrated on here by a few of the "usual suspects" was cringeworthy, particularly when he was spot on.

 

These two things all too often end up taking over multiple threads. Not to mention the WUM's who take on a negative stance because they are looking for a reaction. It has nothing to do with a failure to take on others opinions.

 

I'll excuse the WUMs/trolls, as they are not worthy of a reply, but IMHO it is a failure to accept that others may see things differently and then attack the individual that is the problem.

 

In the 30+ years I have been going to football, there have been constant discussions and conjecture about the merits of Player A vs Player B, or where Manager X has got it wrong or right etc.

[pap]

I'll excuse the WUMs/trolls, as they are not worthy of a reply, but IMHO it is a failure to accept that others may see things differently and then attack the individual that is the problem.

 

Number one problem on this forum.

[Dig Dig]

I wasn't refering to the old regime. NA is a good example. Many posters were not happy with his appointment and the majority have since conceeded that he is doing a very good job. Others have stuck to their original convictions regardless of what happens on the pitch. Some in particular use this as a way of provoking a reaction......very deliberately.

 

As someone pointed out somewhere in the thread, it you got something to say, say it and move on. But there are too many who can't do this and bring up the same issue across a broad range of topics. This is the main problem for me.

[The9]

Number one problem on this forum.

 

Always has been, usually from people who are unable to debate a subject objectively.

 

The other problems are the continual pigeon-holing of people - along with a similar refusal to discuss their points, and the idea that building a coherent response over a number of points is to be dismissed because too much effort went into it.

 

Strangely enough these all seem to be the actions of people with simplistic responses to every issue.

Edited 2 September, 2011 by The9

[alpine_saint]

Always has been, usually from people who are unable to debate a subject objectively.

 

The other problems are the continual pigeon-holing of people - along with a similar refusal to discuss their points, and the idea that building a coherent response over a number of points is to be dismissed because too much effort went into it.

 

Strangely enough these all seem to be the actions of people with simplistic responses to every issue.

 

Hmmm....

[Wes Tender]

We're not just talking about opinions though. It's more about long running agenda's against certain members within the club and the constant need by some to look for percieved failings. These two things all too often end up taking over multiple threads. Not to mention the WUM's who take on a negative stance because they are looking for a reaction. It has nothing to do with a failure to take on others opinions.

 

Quite. Some have said that other posters have left this forum for such reasons and others indicate that the grass is greener on the Ugly Inside. But I see few people disputing that this problem as described here exists.

[The9]

Hmmm....

 

Every grouping is based on shared characteristics, that's not the problem with pigeon-holing.

 

If you're actually a smart-arse, being called a smart-arse isn't the problem, it's people assuming that everything you say is smart-arse response when it isn't.

 

As I've said "people with simplistic responses to EVERY issue" I'm only referring to people who are actually doing that all the time, not people who are providing a complex well-thought out reply which people are merely reading as a stupid comment. Obviously there's an element of judgement, but there's a pretty big gap between the stuff like "U R A DIK LOL" and three paragraphs debating every nuance of a topic.

[SaintBobby]

That Walsall thread was a hilarious read.

 

I think it's absolutely okay to call people up when they've been proven wrong.

 

FWIW, I think I was prediciting 2nd place from about game 15 onwards. I was right on this, but wld be happy to be pulled up on anything I was wrong about (I think at one point I said we needed 20 more points to clinch 2nd place and it turned out to be 22).

 

Of course, people say daft things imemdiately after a disappointing defeat (or amazing victory), but I think it's fine to call them up for it. It gives you a good steer as whose views to listen to/take seriously in future.

[The9]

That Walsall thread was a hilarious read.

 

I think it's absolutely okay to call people up when they've been proven wrong.

 

FWIW, I think I was prediciting 2nd place from about game 15 onwards. I was right on this, but wld be happy to be pulled up on anything I was wrong about (I think at one point I said we needed 20 more points to clinch 2nd place and it turned out to be 22).

 

Of course, people say daft things imemdiately after a disappointing defeat (or amazing victory), but I think it's fine to call them up for it. It gives you a good steer as whose views to listen to/take seriously in future.

 

Agreed. If you're not prepared to have your utter cobblers called out when you're wrong, don't post it in the first place. If you think "I was upset" is an excuse, plenty of others will just think you're being an idiot and should control yourself a bit better. Equally, when you're right, don't expect anyone to care !

 

Speaking of which, has anyone found the preseason predictions for 2010/11 yet ?

[derry]

It's nice of you to stand up for your friend. Is this because I took the mick about your coaching badges?

 

Why on earth would I be interested or react to your stupid comments. People have to work hard to get coaching badges, its's idiots like you that have chips on your shoulders that try and belittle. The courses/coaching/playing at a decent level are things I've done to improve my understanding of football, the mere fact you've done nothing yet spout tripe at the drop of a hat is indicative of your stupidity.

[COMEONYOUREDS]

Hypo. Why don't you just stop replying to these people? You just make yourself look like a bigger and bigger cock every time you post defending yourself so seriously over what you say are throw away comments. Its no surprise the only poster who agrees with you is Alpine. You're (always) in the minority for a reason, you are wrong, has that never occurred to you?

[hypochondriac]

Hypo. Why don't you just stop replying to these people? You just make yourself look like a bigger and bigger cock every time you post defending yourself so seriously over what you say are throw away comments. Its no surprise the only poster who agrees with you is Alpine. You're (always) in the minority for a reason, you are wrong, has that never occurred to you?

 

On this thread there are at least ten posters who agree. You clearly haven't bothered to read it and jumped in with assumptions. I'm allowed a right to reply and a right to defied myself against people posting rubbish as fact as you just have.

[Smirking_Saint]

But then equally there are a small number who hound out decent posters with perhaps a slightly more negative view.

 

I would include you amongst the juvenile few.

 

Lol

 

I agree with Derry's sentiment aswell, I just can't be arsed to post on here any more these days, and yes, I used to enjoy reading the views on some of the more intelligent football fans whose views I tended to look out for, Weston, Derry, Nelson, Chez etc etc.

 

And Um Pahars

Edited 2 September, 2011 by Smirking_Saint