Hooiveld not missed by Celtic

[Turkish]

I seem to remember us signing 3 decent players during the transfer window. So what if we didn't sign more? Judging from what I've seen so far (and unlike some of the moaners around here, I've been to every game this season) we are a good enough team to easily finish in the top half with what we have.

 

Turkish is surely on a wind up on this thread.

 

 

YEs we've signed 3 good players. We've aso consistantly failed to sign players in the positions Nige clearly has identified as weak areas. It's alright though, we've got 3 left backs and 5 centre backs, only one of which is of the standard needed.

 

In Cortese we trust.

[dune]

Do you really want us to be in League 1 again, seriously?

 

What has this statement got to do with the price of fish?

[Big Bad Bob]

What has this statement got to do with the price of fish?

 

Because you and Turkish would have us breaking the bank getting in players that are injured, don;t want to be here, are egos, want to be billy big ****** etc.

 

Upset the squad harmoney, disruptive influence, negative effect on the team, relegation........

[Wes Tender]

We should have gone for Messi. It's entirely possible he'd have signed, afterall they did say man would never climb Everest didn't they.

 

Don't be silly, Messi probably couldn't defend to save his life. And he's a midget to boot.

[The Cat]

It's a valid discussion considering up until yesterday we were looking to sign permanent deals for a centre half and a forward. Adkins obviously wanted to bring a couple of quality players in.

 

I agree it's a valid discussion but some people go about it in such a ranty shout down any other opinions way that the discussion just ends up as a mess. Reading Turkish's posts on this thread is like sitting near a bloke at St Mary's who has had a couple too many and keeps shouting out his inane opinions on the game in the mistaken belief that he is right.

 

None of us know the exact reasosn why we didn't sign a permanent CB or striker. Plenty of other clubs would have been after players and not signed them either. I'd have liked a striker to come in but it's hardly worth getting that bothered about when we already have decent players.

 

As I said before we have signed 20 players and built a whole new squad since Cortese came in. IF we were that hard to deal with that wouldn't have happened.

[georgeweahscousin]

Niemi didn't leave considered a failure. That's simply not true. Weren't Rangers upset to be loosing McCann? We got a dud there!

 

Really?

 

Rangers fans I know, say he was crap.

[Big Bad Bob]

Really?

 

Rangers fans I know, say he was crap.

 

Umm, we signed him from Hearts and he was well rated by the Hearts fans.

 

To put it into context he was at Rangers for 2 years prior to going to Hearts, and made 12 appearances, he was also loaned to Charlton during that spell making 0 appearances.

[Legod Third Coming]

Sorry, did I miss the bit where we were second in the league with 12 points from 15 based on the PLAYERS WE ALREADY HAD???

 

Do you think Wenger really wanted to rebuild an entire bloody football team on the 31st August?? After apparently ten years of building and strengthening for the future... No - his hand was forced, he had to save face, the club had to show they were doing something. And people hail it??!! Are you mad??? Who would want to have to spend that much money and hope to God the players gel - in a fortnight!!!! That is what the window has done, made fools of normally sane people.

 

WE have a great squad - a fecking fantastic squad. It's on a par with the best in this league. On paper West Ham's players are better and Leicester could be anything...

 

BUT we have a great first team and bloody good back up players in nearly all positions.

 

The Dutchman could be another Svensson for all any of the amateur specialists on this board know - how was he welcomed at £250k following the £8m sale of Deano (god rest 'im)...

[georgeweahscousin]

Umm, we signed him from Hearts and he was well rated by the Hearts fans.

 

To put it into context he was at Rangers for 2 years prior to going to Hearts, and made 12 appearances, he was also loaned to Charlton during that spell making 0 appearances.

 

Yes, he was rated by Hearts fans, but not by Rangers, which is my point.

 

Old Firm fans aren't a very good gauge of talent....

[um pahars]

BUT we have a great first team and bloody good back up players in nearly all positions.

 

In which case someone should have a word with Adkins, Big Les, Cortese and others for wasting precious time and effort trying to sign people when we didn't need them.

[Turkish]

Because you and Turkish would have us breaking the bank getting in players that are injured, don;t want to be here, are egos, want to be billy big ****** etc.

 

Upset the squad harmoney, disruptive influence, negative effect on the team, relegation........

 

No i wouldn't. I just dont understand why on at least 5 occasions we have had bids accepted and players at the club ready to sign, or the case of Rodriguez, tell us he never wanted to sign anyway and it's not happened. You've got to admit, give the Elliot Ward deabacle and the fact managers and agents are coming out and slagging up off via the media and social media it cant all be them being c*nts, can it?

[trousers]

[Legod Third Coming]

In which case someone should have a word with Adkins, Big Les, Cortese and others for wasting precious time and effort trying to sign people when we didn't need them.

 

No-one said you can't improve. But to hear all the bloody whinging on here, you would think we had just been thumped 8-2 and our strategy had been shown to be completely flawed...

[Turkish]

I agree it's a valid discussion but some people go about it in such a ranty shout down any other opinions way that the discussion just ends up as a mess. Reading Turkish's posts on this thread is like sitting near a bloke at St Mary's who has had a couple too many and keeps shouting out his inane opinions on the game in the mistaken belief that he is right.None of us know the exact reasosn why we didn't sign a permanent CB or striker. Plenty of other clubs would have been after players and not signed them either. I'd have liked a striker to come in but it's hardly worth getting that bothered about when we already have decent players.

 

As I said before we have signed 20 players and built a whole new squad since Cortese came in. IF we were that hard to deal with that wouldn't have happened.

 

THink that if you want, but looking at the evidence of what agents and managers are saying about us, It doesn't look good does it. Or maybe we should ignore all this, keep our heads in the sand and blame everyone else.

 

In Cortese we trust.

[Toadhall Saint]

Don't give a crap about what Celtic fans have to say TBH. I'll make my own decision after I've seen him play a couple of times. If other players were not available or decided not to come thats their decision - we move on!

[surrey1saint]

Don't give a crap about what Celtic fans have to say TBH. I'll make my own decision after I've seen him play a couple of times. If other players were not available or decided not to come thats their decision - we move on!

 

Exactly!

 

We should not be held to ransom by greedy players/agents.

[Turkish]

The naievity and blindness on here is quite cute. It's all them isn't it. Nothing to do with us, depsite all the evidence.

 

In Cortese we trust.

[Thedelldays]

The naievity and blindness on here is quite cute. It's all them isn't it. Nothing to do with us, depsite all the evidence.

 

In Cortese we trust.

 

chill dude

[Big Bad Bob]

No i wouldn't. I just dont understand why on at least 5 occasions we have had bids accepted and players at the club ready to sign, or the case of Rodriguez, tell us he never wanted to sign anyway and it's not happened. You've got to admit, give the Elliot Ward deabacle and the fact managers and agents are coming out and slagging up off via the media and social media it cant all be them being c*nts, can it?

 

Maybe it's because we won't be shafted by the players/agents, Player wants £30k a eek, "sorry that breaks our wage struture, we'll give you £20k tops", "I'm out"

 

We've had bids for Lallana, he's not wanted to go, does that mean the clubs that he has turned down are difficult to deal with or something is going on at them.

 

Each "transfer" on it's own merit...

 

And by agents I presume you mean Fourth_Offical? Who are an Everton and a Tranmere fan who repeat rumours verbatim on twitter.

 

One manager has had a go out our transfer policy (AFAIK), Colin! and he's the biggest hyprocrite out there, look at the Puncheon saga...

[Toadhall Saint]

The naievity and blindness on here is quite cute. It's all them isn't it. Nothing to do with us, depsite all the evidence.

 

In Cortese we trust.

 

TBH Turkish its probably a mixture of both them and us. Nothing in life is that black and white which, (as I'm assuming you are older than 12) you should know really.

[a1ex2001]

THink that if you want, but looking at the evidence of what agents and managers are saying about us, It doesn't look good does it. Or maybe we should ignore all this, keep our heads in the sand and blame everyone else.

 

 

The only person really saying anything about us to the media is Warnock and he is a renowned gob sh!te who is probably hacked of that any player would even consider joining us over his mighty revolution at QPR.

 

I agree this summers transfer dealings have been frustrating at times but I do like the fact we are being cautious with our money and only signing players that really want to be here. We could have spent the big bucks but thats a dangerous spiral I'd be fairly confident several of our top players have contract clauses meaning they get wage parity with any players comming into the club and if not I would expect a player like Lallana to be kicking the managers door down demanding a raise if we blew our wad on a player like Beckford.

 

The team looks good and we are doing alot better than I ever expected this season, personally I'm happy to see Saints alive and stable and will enjoy what could be a few golden years in terms of on the field success. JP Trophy followed by a dramatic promotion and what is shaping up to be a great first season back in the Championship stop complaining and enjoy it life could be much worse we could all be Sheffield Wednesday fans.

[surrey1saint]

The point of the matter is the NC is a businessman and he is running SFC as a business,so he won't make rash purchases of players at inflated prices.

 

How many of the big spending teams in the CC & Prem be in financial problems soon(if not already)?

[Sour Mash]

I'm sort of the opposite to many on here, as our good start and great performances have shown how close we are to serious promotion contenders. A top quality centre back and pacey forward I genuinelt think we'd be promotoed and that's why it's even more frustrating that we haven't got them in, than if we were just floating around midtable. Adkins obviously agrees with me, as we have made efforts to get such players in, but something is certainly amiss with our transfer negotiation process, as we have had a lot of deals fall through of late.

 

It make me laugh when people on here say they don't want Saints to be ripped off, pay over the odds etc, etc, - how do they think football works? Everyone is after the best deal they can get, you have to pay for the best players and gernally speaking in football you get what you pay for (yes there are always exceptions).

[Thedelldays]

I'm sort of the opposite to many on here, as our good start and great performances have shown how close we are to serious promotion contenders. A top quality centre back and pacey forward I genuinelt think we'd be promotoed and that's why it's even more frustrating that we haven't got them in, than if we were just floating around midtable. Adkins obviously agrees with me, as we have made efforts to get such players in, but something is certainly amiss with our transfer negotiation process, as we have had a lot of deals fall through of late.

 

It make me laugh when people on here say they don't want Saints to be ripped off, pay over the odds etc, etc, - how do they think football works? Everyone is after the best deal they can get, you have to pay for the best players and gernally speaking in football you get what you pay for (yes there are always exceptions).

lets be honest...it does not...

we are in with a shout..

 

where were we after 4 games last season...?

 

massively long way to go yet

[Foxstone]

I'm sort of the opposite to many on here, as our good start and great performances have shown how close we are to serious promotion contenders. A top quality centre back and pacey forward I genuinelt think we'd be promotoed and that's why it's even more frustrating that we haven't got them in, than if we were just floating around midtable. Adkins obviously agrees with me, as we have made efforts to get such players in, but something is certainly amiss with our transfer negotiation process, as we have had a lot of deals fall through of late.

 

It make me laugh when people on here say they don't want Saints to be ripped off, pay over the odds etc, etc, - how do they think football works? Everyone is after the best deal they can get, you have to pay for the best players and gernally speaking in football you get what you pay for (yes there are always exceptions).

 

But would you pay £5 million + for Maynard who only has one year left on his contract anyway?

We did'nt and neither did a few others...

[Turkish]

Maybe it's because we won't be shafted by the players/agents, Player wants £30k a eek, "sorry that breaks our wage struture, we'll give you £20k tops", "I'm out"

 

We've had bids for Lallana, he's not wanted to go, does that mean the clubs that he has turned down are difficult to deal with or something is going on at them.

 

Each "transfer" on it's own merit...

 

And by agents I presume you mean Fourth_Offical? Who are an Everton and a Tranmere fan who repeat rumours verbatim on twitter.

 

One manager has had a go out our transfer policy (AFAIK), Colin! and he's the biggest hyprocrite out there, look at the Puncheon saga...

 

Do you seriously think we only have any idea what wage a player wants when we are sitting down with them and their agent?

 

Chris Coleman has also had a go at our transfer policy as well.

[Big Bad Bob]

It make me laugh when people on here say they don't want Saints to be ripped off, pay over the odds etc, etc, - how do they think football works? Everyone is after the best deal they can get, you have to pay for the best players and gernally speaking in football you get what you pay for (yes there are always exceptions).

 

And it makes me laugh that after the recent history we have fans that want us to go straight back into that mire again.

 

And FWIW for every big money signing that does work, there are 10 that don't IMO..

[surrey1saint]

And it makes me laugh that after the recent history we have fans that want us to go straight back into that mire again.

 

And FWIW for every big money signing that does work, there are 10 that don't IMO..

 

Spot on !

[Big Bad Bob]

Do you seriously think we only have any idea what wage a player wants when we are sitting down with them and their agent?

 

Chris Coleman has also had a go at our transfer policy as well.

 

Maybe we do have an idea, but that's why you get a player in so you can negotiate with them.

 

Did he, when? With the Elliot "transfer"?

[Turkish]

And it makes me laugh that after the recent history we have fans that want us to go straight back into that mire again.

 

And FWIW for every big money signing that does work, there are 10 that don't IMO..

 

Do you seriously believe that this is how a transfer works? That we get a bid accepted, sit down with the player and then at that point the player turns round and says "i want £40k a week" we turn round and say "sorry, we only pay £20k a week, deals off, bye"

 

As for your 2nd point, just f*cking LOL - Point me to the 10 big money transfers that haven't worked at Chelsea and Man United for every one that has.

[Turkish]

Maybe we do have an idea, but that's why you get a player in so you can negotiate with them.

 

Did he, when? With the Elliot "transfer"?

 

Yes, after the Ellot Ward embarassment where we landed Seaborne instead!!

[Thedelldays]

christ turkish..chill out

[Turkish]

christ turkish..chill out

 

I'm chiled mate, just LOLing at the blindness.

[Sour Mash]

And it makes me laugh that after the recent history we have fans that want us to go straight back into that mire again.

 

And FWIW for every big money signing that does work, there are 10 that don't IMO..

 

Who says about going back into the mire? We've obviously put in big bids for players, so Cortese and Adkins obviously don't agree with you. It's just their execution of such deals that seems to be lacking.

 

And as Turkish says, your 2nd point is just stupid.

[Thedelldays]

I'm chiled mate, just LOLing at the blindness.

 

it is a let down...I fully agree..

of course we would have missed out on players..im sure it happens at every club not willing to meet what another player/agent is worth...im sure we are not perfect

 

just hoping that this new fella does good...we are no worse of than we were 24 hours ago (and sat 2nd in the league)

 

bit let down we never bought a striker in, can only assume we will only pay top dollar for the one we want...

[Big Bad Bob]

Do you seriously believe that this is how a transfer works? That we get a bid accepted, sit down with the player and then at that point the player turns round and says "i want £40k a week" we turn round and say "sorry, we only pay £20k a week, deals off, bye"

 

As for your 2nd point, just f*cking LOL - Point me to the 10 big money transfers that haven't worked at Chelsea and Man United for every one that has.

 

Veron, Taibi, Schevchenko, Torres, Smith to start you off......

[Thedelldays]

Who says about going back into the mire? We've obviously put in big bids for players, so Cortese and Adkins obviously don't agree with you. It's just their execution of such deals that seems to be lacking.

 

And as Turkish says, your 2nd point is just stupid.

 

see, this shows you have no idea....

do you really think that sealing a transfer is just down to NA and NC..? really..?

 

wenger let on some good info that is always completely and utterly missed about bringing in players..

for arsenal to bring in a player from another premier league club will involved OVER 20 people working on that particular deal...

 

to suggest its all down to NA and NC for us a daft and stupid....

 

maybe it is..but stating it like a fact the way you (and some do) is emabrrassing for you

[Turkish]

Veron, Taibi, Schevchenko, Torres, Smith to start you off......

 

Thats 5, i still need another 15 just to cover off Rooney and Drogba.

 

Keeping going, this should be good.

[Big Bad Bob]

Do you seriously believe that this is how a transfer works? That we get a bid accepted, sit down with the player and then at that point the player turns round and says "i want £40k a week" we turn round and say "sorry, we only pay £20k a week, deals off, bye"

.

 

Good god man, your worse than a lawyer asking leading questions that you know the answer to already.

 

Have you ever worked? What did you do when you wanted a new job? What happened when they wouldn't meet your wage/benefits demands? Did you try and negotiate? And when they said "we can't give you what you want" what did you do?

[SaintRobbie]

To be honest, he's on loan. If he's crap he goes back. If he's good, we'll want to make an offer for him or take someone even better instead. Simples!

[Turkish]

Good god man, your worse than a lawyer asking leading questions that you know the answer to already.

 

Have you ever worked? What did you do when you wanted a new job? What happened when they wouldn't meet your wage/benefits demands? Did you try and negotiate? And when they said "we can't give you what you want" what did you do?

 

One this is for sure. I've never applied for a job which was paying far less than i wanted, gone for the interview only to pull out at the offer stage when their offer was what it had said in the advert.

 

So come on, do you think we had no idea at all of the wages Sharp, Rodriguez, Jemmel etc wanted when we made bids for them?

[Sour Mash]

see, this shows you have no idea....

do you really think that sealing a transfer is just down to NA and NC..? really..?

 

wenger let on some good info that is always completely and utterly missed about bringing in players..

for arsenal to bring in a player from another premier league club will involved OVER 20 people working on that particular deal...

 

to suggest its all down to NA and NC for us a daft and stupid....

 

maybe it is..but stating it like a fact the way you (and some do) is emabrrassing for you

 

Where did I say they were the only one's involved? That's a bit embarrassing for you?

 

They are the two individuals that are paid very well to take overall responsibility to make sure these things do happen. Of course there are plenty of other people involved, as with any multi-million £ deal in any industry and I'm sure there are a 101 things to organise and negotiate through, but that's the same for all managers. We've obviously gone after top quality strikers and centre backs which is great as it is what we need, but somewhere along the line our execution of the deals has faltered. If that is down to an agent, scout whoever, I don't care, it is NC and NA that are ultimately responsible for delivering.

[Thedelldays]

Where did I say they were the only one's involved? That's a bit embarrassing for you?

 

They are the two individuals that are paid very well to take overall responsibility to make sure these things do happen. Of course there are plenty of other people involved, as with any multi-million £ deal in any industry and I'm sure there are a 101 things to organise and negotiate through, but that's the same for all managers. We've obviously gone after top quality strikers and centre backs which is great as it is what we need, but somewhere along the line our execution of the deals has faltered. If that is down to an agent, scout whoever, I don't care, it is NC and NA that are ultimately responsible for delivering.

fuk me, the season is what..5 games old..after a storming season last time

 

jesus

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Thats 5, i still need another 15 just to cover off Rooney and Drogba.

 

Keeping going, this should be good.

 

Ok i'll bite.

 

Man Utd – Taibi, Veron, Forlan, Kleberson, Djemba-Djemba, Bebe, Obertan, Bellion, Poborsky, Millar,Bartoz, Bosnich….

 

Chelsea – Zhirkov, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Adrian Mutu, Scott Parker, Brian Laudrup, Winston Bogard, Chris Sutton, Veron, Shevchenko, Bhoularouz, Del Horno, Geremi, Duff, Crespo, Pizarro, Glen Johnson, Tal Ben Haim, Deco, Kezman…….

 

Will probably be many others not so high profile.

[Turkish]

Ok i'll bite.

 

Man Utd – Taibi, Veron, Forlan, Kleberson, Djemba-Djemba, Bebe, Obertan, Bellion, Poborsky, Millar,Bartoz, Bosnich….

 

Chelsea – Zhirkov, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Adrian Mutu, Scott Parker, Brian Laudrup, Winston Bogard, Chris Sutton, Veron, Shevchenko, Bhoularouz, Del Horno, Geremi, Duff, Crespo, Pizarro, Glen Johnson, Tal Ben Haim, Deco, Kezman…….

 

Will probably be many others not so high profile.

 

That's 31.

 

To that i give you Rooney, Drogba, Lampard, Ronaldo, Vidic.

 

That's 5. Another 19 please to to cover BBB's theory that for every one big money transfer there are 10 that fail.

[BodminSaint]

Sorry, did I miss the bit where we were second in the league with 12 points from 15 based on the PLAYERS WE ALREADY HAD???

 

Do you think Wenger really wanted to rebuild an entire bloody football team on the 31st August?? After apparently ten years of building and strengthening for the future... No - his hand was forced, he had to save face, the club had to show they were doing something. And people hail it??!! Are you mad??? Who would want to have to spend that much money and hope to God the players gel - in a fortnight!!!! That is what the window has done, made fools of normally sane people.

 

WE have a great squad - a fecking fantastic squad. It's on a par with the best in this league. On paper West Ham's players are better and Leicester could be anything...

 

BUT we have a great first team and bloody good back up players in nearly all positions.

 

The Dutchman could be another Svensson for all any of the amateur specialists on this board know - how was he welcomed at £250k following the £8m sale of Deano (god rest 'im)...

 

This my friends is almost FACT!!......a great post

[Turkish]

This my friends is almost FACT!!......a great post

 

Apart from teh fact Svenson cost £2m and was a curent Swedish international.

 

We have been crying out for a decent centre back, tried to sign loads and failed and ended up with some Dutch journey man who cant get a kick at Celtic FFS. The way i see it he isn't an improvement on what is already here, we now have 5 centre backs, only one of which is an automatic choice. That is a problem. Anyone who was at leciester saturday will see how we were torn apart in the first half by pace and power.

[scotty]

It's clear what I mean, the thread is about him not being missed or rated by Celtic, so give him a chance needs to be stated apparently.

 

On the surface it's a fcking dreadful signing. But on the surface we're often wrong. Hopefully. Christ, 99% of this forum is about being wrong afterall.

 

Youre being a bit generous there tbf

[Legod Third Coming]

Apart from teh fact Svenson cost £2m and was a curent Swedish international.

 

We have been crying out for a decent centre back, tried to sign loads and failed and ended up with some Dutch journey man who cant get a kick at Celtic FFS. The way i see it he isn't an improvement on what is already here, we now have 5 centre backs, only one of which is an automatic choice. That is a problem. Anyone who was at leciester saturday will see how we were torn apart in the first half by pace and power.

 

I'll give you that. He played 25 times for Sweden and not in the World Cup immediately before we signed him. Troyes tho right? Hardly the fecking European elite is it?

This lad could be anything.

You on the other hand, need to have a word with yourself.

How can you not be enjoying this and have faith in the management of a club that has won 14 of the last 15 competitive games??

[Turkish]

I'll give you that. He played 25 times for Sweden and not in the World Cup immediately before we signed him. Troyes tho right? Hardly the fecking European elite is it?

This lad could be anything.

You on the other hand, need to have a word with yourself.

How can you not be enjoying this and have faith in the management of a club that has won 14 of the last 15 competitive games??

 

I am enjoy it. However considering we were bidding for a proven championship player at centre back in Gorkss, failed to do the deal and end up with a player who by your own admission "could be anything" then i dont think he is the proven centre half, better than we have do you?

 

As i've already said, there seems to be a pattern forming with our transfer dealings which is making me question our ability to bring in our targets whilst p*ssing off other clubs and agents in the process.

 

It is a fact that at least 4 targets were at the club ready to sign and it didnt happen. It's also very worrying that we continued to bid for a player that had long ago said he didn't want to join us. Or did he want to join us but went the way of the other 4? Do you not find this worrying?