um pahars Posted 2 September, 2011 Share Posted 2 September, 2011 We can only wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashby Saint Posted 2 September, 2011 Share Posted 2 September, 2011 Saw that! Could be that our real target isn't available at this time but could become son in January. Maybe look at Fountaine again in January when his ankle has healed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzerMaBoy Posted 2 September, 2011 Share Posted 2 September, 2011 As I posted earlier........ Has anyone else noticed he's been given shirt number "26" leaving the number "5" shirt still available...? Surely this is even more evidence that he's not the long-term centre back option and we're still looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 2 September, 2011 Share Posted 2 September, 2011 Has anyone else noticed he's been given shirt number "26" leaving the number "5" shirt still available...? Surely this is even more evidence that he's not the long-term centre back option and we're still looking. Perhaps he is a big fan of John Terry ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzerMaBoy Posted 2 September, 2011 Share Posted 2 September, 2011 Perhaps he is a big fan of John Terry ?? Perhaps...... But given the recent reshuffling of squad numbers and the relevance to the positions in which they play I would suggest my original observation makes more sense... ;o) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 2 September, 2011 Share Posted 2 September, 2011 Has anyone else noticed he's been given shirt number "26" leaving the number "5" shirt still available...? Surely this is even more evidence that he's not the long-term centre back option and we're still looking. Isn't that the shirt that sells for £15 million (including add-ons)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 2 September, 2011 Share Posted 2 September, 2011 A good job we signed him now that Dan Seaborne looks like he will be out for the rest of the season at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 September, 2011 Share Posted 2 September, 2011 Has anyone else noticed he's been given shirt number "26" leaving the number "5" shirt still available...? Surely this is even more evidence that he's not the long-term centre back option and we're still looking. I hadn't noticed, but I had been wondering if we'd do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 September, 2011 Share Posted 2 September, 2011 Isn't that the shirt that sells for £15 million (including add-ons)? Chamberlain was given 11 for this season and wore it pre-season. 26 was vacant and under Adkins' anal numbering scheme was always going to go to a centre-back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Posted 18 October, 2011 Share Posted 18 October, 2011 I think he will prove to be a quality signing. Bump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 18 October, 2011 Share Posted 18 October, 2011 I think you read between the lines of my post wrongly. I am in no way negative about this signing and may be the only person who actually thinks he will be fantastic for us. Have you seen the youtube clips? Also, the comments on the Celtic forums when they signed him? He can not go from being a fantastic player, team leader, great in the air to being crap after 7 games. Put me on the record as saying he is exactly what we want. I just thought it was interesting that Celtic were also after the same player as us before signing Jos. It shows that there must be a lot of similarity between the two players, especially when Kilgallon was on top of his game. Well if we are saying I told you so, put me down too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 October, 2011 Share Posted 18 October, 2011 Was excellent tonight. V.impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 18 October, 2011 Share Posted 18 October, 2011 Was excellent tonight. V.impressed. He was outstanding ...hold my hands up was disappointed we didnt get someone better on paper but he was awesome tonight. I was wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 18 October, 2011 Share Posted 18 October, 2011 Good point as man management does appear a strength of NA,and if Hooiveld needs someone to build his confidence then I think NA a good mentor. His time at Celtic does not concern me greatly as there may have been many factors involved, of more concern is that his club record appears a bit nomadic,but perhaps he will respond here. Uncharacteristicly it appears I too offered a voice of reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Looks sh it e on paper, clearly fourth choice CB in the window at best after Jemal, Gorks and matey from Bristol who I have already forgotten. Fontaine. I'm sure the spinmeister generals on the forum will be spinning how fantastic this all is and how Cortese has played a blinder and this signing is absolute proof that we are standing up against agents and revolutionising football or something. well, no need for the spin it seems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 I think some people are starting to come round to other ways of thinking. Wait till the end of the window was the cry, well I have waited and frankly I'm underwhelmed. I just don't think Nigel is a big enough draw frankly coupled with our negotiating skills. you seem pretty adamant there....did not even wait till he kicked a ball before having a dig at adkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 you seem pretty adamant there....did not even wait till he kicked a ball before having a dig at adkins I'm not normall one to defend Hypo, but it's strange you left out his very first post in the thread on the subject which I would guess sums up his view on Hooiveld quite well. Here it is, in case you missed it. Sounds pretty awful but prepared to see what he is like. How terribly unreasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Jos Hooiveld.....This was a fantastic bit of biz Cortese ..you have played a blinder and this signing is absolute proof that we are standing up against agents and revolutionising football.... Signed... General ottery of st mary just outside of Sidmouth.. or several deals were discussed and fell through and Jos was the best bet at the time of various players of equal standard...Mind you Gorkss did look good but then Jos looks even better....So Cortese, Nigel , your coaching staff and scouts a very big well done for picking up a diamond.... WIFM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 (edited) I'm not normall one to defend Hypo, but it's strange you left out his very first post in the thread on the subject which I would guess sums up his view on Hooiveld quite well. Here it is, in case you missed it. How terribly unreasonable. and then went on to say that this signing shows nigel can't bring in decent players... you are right I guess...it matters not as he is a very good player it seems which is it is all about Edited 23 October, 2011 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 and then went on to say that this signing shows nigel can't bring in decent players... you are right I guess...it matters not as he is a very good player it seems which is it is all about Well that's nonsense IMO, but if that's his opinion he's welcome to it. Don't see anything in writing off Hooiveld before he played though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Was excellent tonight. V.impressed. Put up with a lot of pressure and toughed it out well and coped confidently with losing his partner. Still needs to work on his distribution (did well to get himself in the right position in the first half but then thumped the ball across the goal staright to a Reading player, from which Kelv needed to pull off a great save). And just to add to the debate;) Gorkss looked very good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Must be a delicate situation for Hooiveld as he is doing well here and seemingly settling well, while his old club (who aren't too interested in his service) is leaking goals left and right. Problem is that he can't really speak his mind freely as he has to take into account the possibility that he'll be back in Glasgow after the loan has ended - he probably doesn't want to do a Redknapp by criticising his previous team before returning to them ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 well, no need for the spin it seems Boo hoo, some one said something horrible on the internet and I want to prove them wrong. Who cares. He looked sh i te on paper to me, just like De Ridder and Fox looked good. And Jemal and Gorks looked good and Fontaine looked shi te. That's why I said on paper, to distance my remarks from any knowledge whatsoever. I didn't claim to have any. The rest of that post was clearly a dig at the happy clappy drones than any comment on the player whatsoever. Just opinion on a internet forum. God knows why a few loons want to turn it into "everything Southampton football club ever does or ever will do from now on is right" toss fest. If people don't actually want to discuss anything apart from "how wonderful and correct everything is forever" then a football forum really isn't for you. And if anyone is really that bothered what I think about Hooiveld then if you dig around there is a line or two from me about him having seen him live at Derby last week. Guess what, it's positive ladies. Well fancy that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Jos has really done well so far and it's fantastic that he has got better as the games have gone on. Regardless, it appears he was fourth choice for us after the others and his performances dont change that. A big well done to jos and to those involved with getting him. We clearly saw something in him that Celtic missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Why do people think Gorkks was a preferred target? He obviously wasn't. We had a deal done but decided not to sign him. Warnock said so. Gorkks apparently said so. For whatever reason, and rightly or wrongly, all the evidence is that Gorkks was the last-resort option being kept on the back burner. Jemal was clearly a target but that fell through. I don't think we were ever seriously interested in Fontaine - something going on there, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Why do people think Gorkks was a preferred target? He obviously wasn't. We had a deal done but decided not to sign him. Warnock said so. Gorkks apparently said so. For whatever reason, and rightly or wrongly, all the evidence is that Gorkks was the last-resort option being kept on the back burner. Jemal was clearly a target but that fell through. I don't think we were ever seriously interested in Fontaine - something going on there, I think. The logical thinking would be that Gorkss was ahead of Hooiveld. If he wasn't, why didn't we just go for Jos first of all rather than wait until the last day of the window? We got to an advanced stage of discussions with Gorkss before pulling the plug, and then moved on to Fontaine and finally Hooiveld on a last minute loan. It's conceivable of course that discussions with Celtic were going on throughout the summer, though I consider it unlikely given the advanced stage of negotiations we got to with 3 different players that Hooiveld was anything other than the final choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 The logical thinking would be that Gorkss was ahead of Hooiveld. If he wasn't, why didn't we just go for Jos first of all rather than wait until the last day of the window? We got to an advanced stage of discussions with Gorkss before pulling the plug, and then moved on to Fontaine and finally Hooiveld on a last minute loan. It's conceivable of course that discussions with Celtic were going on throughout the summer, though I consider it unlikely given the advanced stage of negotiations we got to with 3 different players that Hooiveld was anything other than the final choice. how do you know we never...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 how do you know we never...? I don't. Which is why I also said this part. "It's conceivable of course that discussions with Celtic were going on throughout the summer" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughnutman Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 I don't. Which is why I also said this part. "It's conceivable of course that discussions with Celtic were going on throughout the summer" Im sure I read somewhere that we were enquired early in the summer but were scared off by the price and that the option of a loan was not available until late August Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Im sure I read somewhere that we were enquired early in the summer but were scared off by the price and that the option of a loan was not available until late August Fair enough, not heard that myself. But I also heard we enquired about Gorkss extremely early in the window too, before the idea of a Puncheon swap found media attention. Also, Adkins comment on the OS when signing Hooiveld was this: We highlighted a number of players for this particular position at the start of the summer and we are delighted that Jos has decided to join us. So who knows; and it matters not, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Why do people think Gorkks was a preferred target? He obviously wasn't. We had a deal done but decided not to sign him. Warnock said so. Gorkks apparently said so. For whatever reason, and rightly or wrongly, all the evidence is that Gorkks was the last-resort option being kept on the back burner. Jemal was clearly a target but that fell through. I don't think we were ever seriously interested in Fontaine - something going on there, I think. Pretty sure we were interested in Fontaine and he did have a medical at St Mary's. A medical that seems to have done it's job as he has not appeared since, until today. Well done medical staff, though I doubt it was difficult to spot, having such long term injury concerns with his ankle! Gorkks was never an intended target, only something that got thrown into the ring by Warnock because he could not afford Puncheon. It would not surprise me if we did not consider the option, but there is nothing to indicate we made any decision on Gorkks or actively went after him. So going back to the list with the known central defenders we were after, we seem to have made an excellent choice for someone who was out of their depth in making acquisitions. How anyone thinks Jemal would fit in with that attitude is beyond me. Any fan has the right to feel underwhelmed by a player acquisition, but they deservedly look like right thwats when the underwhelmed becomes the now popular choice. Even to the extent that Jose would not come out shining on a 1:1 pole from those same detractors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 October, 2011 Share Posted 23 October, 2011 Why do people think Gorkks was a preferred target? He obviously wasn't. We had a deal done but decided not to sign him. Warnock said so. Gorkks apparently said so. For whatever reason, and rightly or wrongly, all the evidence is that Gorkks was the last-resort option being kept on the back burner. Jemal was clearly a target but that fell through. I don't think we were ever seriously interested in Fontaine - something going on there, I think. Bit of a waste of time getting "done deals" sorted with players that aren't preferred targets isn't it? No wonder it took us to 10:55pm on deadline day to sign a centre back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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