hypochondriac Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 I'm disappointed too, but let me put to you a related scenario. You have ten quid in your pocket. "Hurrah", you say, "I do have some money, so let's spend it". You wander down this new bar, full of posh totty you couldn't afford, where it buys you one drink. You could have walked a bit further and had a full evening in another better value bar. But it's not just that. You spend your money and then remember that the leccy bill is due at the end of the week and you haven't budgeted for it. Your East End and Leicester mates just say sod the leccy board, my mate in Portsmouth never pays his bill... But we just sold AOC for 12 million quid and we have a reserve team CB to show for it when what we desperately needed was real quality next to Fonte to form a partnership. We also have no competition for Lambert who if he gets injured will leave a gaping hole in our squad with little on the bench to really change a game. Great start from the team but that makes it all the more infuriating that we haven't capitalised on it. Nice to see I am getting a bit less abuse than normal. I have been totally consistent throughout the window, a quality permanent CB and optionally a striker was what was needed and for whatever reason, if we are honest with ourselves we haven't delivered in the market in that area. I think some people are starting to come round to other ways of thinking. Wait till the end of the window was the cry, well I have waited and frankly I'm underwhelmed. I just don't think Nigel is a big enough draw frankly coupled with our negotiating skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 At least it's only a loan... am 'guessen he'll come off the bench for ten minutes on a couple of occasions and then vanish without trace back to Glasgow or Stockholm. Cheer up lads, we've still got Jaidi to come back. Has Rahdi been left out because he's been fasting for Ramadan? If so, thats now ended so he should be back next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 We have some awful, awful fans. See you at Burnley? I doubt it. Why is it awful to say you are underwhelmed and disappointed and feel we have wasted an opportunity to push on from our great start? Why is that a wrong thing to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StDunko Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 He obviously hasn't had the best of times at Celtic, but I'm willing to let him have a fresh start here. Lets hope he rediscovers the form that led to Celtic paying £2m for him in the first place. He is exactly what I felt our squad was needing: a tall left footed CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Why oh why oh why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Just remind me which of you preaching this "we won't break the bank, being sensible, evil agents, held to ransom, sustainable club" stuff were the same ones saying we will be playing Champion's League football in a 45,000 seater stadium in the next few years? Those two things are completely mutually exclusive so do remind me which route you are proposing the club should follow. And before anyone starts having a pop, I think managing the club sustainably is absolutely the right thing to do. But I also think that a result of that is we will never, ever be a Champions League club, which is absolutely fine by me. Dont think anyone fits that statement to be honest. I think the aim from NC is to run the club within its means, create a conveyer belt of top class tallent coming through the academy to supply the 1st team rather than spend big on over priced players from elsewhere, aim to move upwards through the leagues always wanting to do better. If that leads us to mid table prem for 10 years I will be happy like you. I just think that if we get to mid table prem the club wont settle for that and be happy. The club will adjust its goal posts and plan to get into the top 8, then top 6 and onwards. If the club drops a bollock and goes down to 14th or lower actions will be taken to raise our game in the future. Will we be able to create an academy that can supply the 1st team with top class prem players? Will we be able to get into a position where we can keep hold of our best academy players? Without those 2 happening the best we can hope for without spending is a yoyo effect between prem and championshiip. I do think NC plans for the best situation rather than the worst so no doubt he see's Champions League as an ultimate target. Would be nice if he can deliver no matter how silly it sounds now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 If Celtic paid 2 million for him he must have impressed them. Clearly, things don';t alway work out. Look at Joe Cole who never really made it at Liverpool. Does that make him a bad player? I also think that NA and NC were fed up with Championship Clubs inflating their prices for strikers to a level that was getting ridiculous. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a good loanee striker. Let's wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 As A Celtic Fan as well as a Saints fan I cannot believe the negativity over this signing. All this bullshot about him being 4th or 5th choice centre half at Celtic is total carp. When Lennon took over Jos had a bad injury and even when he was fit again Lennon didn't fancy him and often played others out of position at centre half. As I mentioned earlier JH found himself in a similar position to Fish Mills at St Marys, He was always going to be down the pecking order in his position in the eyes of his manager no matter what he did, I can recall him playing against Rangers last season and being one of the stars for Celtic. From the little I know about him he is a good lad who will fit in well with the guys at St Marys and I fully expect a few on here to be eating humble pie in a few games. Give the lad a chance you are going to be pleasently surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 As A Celtic Fan as well as a Saints fan I cannot believe the negativity over this signing. All this bullshot about him being 4th or 5th choice centre half at Celtic is total carp. When Lennon took over Jos had a bad injury and even when he was fit again Lennon didn't fancy him and often played others out of position at centre half. As I mentioned earlier JH found himself in a similar position to Fish Mills at St Marys, He was always going to be down the pecking order in his position in the eyes of his manager no matter what he did, I can recall him playing against Rangers last season and being one of the stars for Celtic. From the little I know about him he is a good lad who will fit in well with the guys at St Marys and I fully expect a few on here to be eating humble pie in a few games. Give the lad a chance you are going to be pleasently surprised. Sounds like he might work out,give him a chance . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 As A Celtic Fan as well as a Saints fan I cannot believe the negativity over this signing. All this bullshot about him being 4th or 5th choice centre half at Celtic is total carp. When Lennon took over Jos had a bad injury and even when he was fit again Lennon didn't fancy him and often played others out of position at centre half. As I mentioned earlier JH found himself in a similar position to Fish Mills at St Marys, He was always going to be down the pecking order in his position in the eyes of his manager no matter what he did, I can recall him playing against Rangers last season and being one of the stars for Celtic. From the little I know about him he is a good lad who will fit in well with the guys at St Marys and I fully expect a few on here to be eating humble pie in a few games. Give the lad a chance you are going to be pleasently surprised. Thank you for a nice balanced view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 As A Celtic Fan as well as a Saints fan I cannot believe the negativity over this signing. All this bullshot about him being 4th or 5th choice centre half at Celtic is total carp. When Lennon took over Jos had a bad injury and even when he was fit again Lennon didn't fancy him and often played others out of position at centre half. As I mentioned earlier JH found himself in a similar position to Fish Mills at St Marys, He was always going to be down the pecking order in his position in the eyes of his manager no matter what he did, I can recall him playing against Rangers last season and being one of the stars for Celtic. From the little I know about him he is a good lad who will fit in well with the guys at St Marys and I fully expect a few on here to be eating humble pie in a few games. Give the lad a chance you are going to be pleasently surprised. Hope your right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 As A Celtic Fan as well as a Saints fan I cannot believe the negativity over this signing. All this bullshot about him being 4th or 5th choice centre half at Celtic is total carp. When Lennon took over Jos had a bad injury and even when he was fit again Lennon didn't fancy him and often played others out of position at centre half. As I mentioned earlier JH found himself in a similar position to Fish Mills at St Marys, He was always going to be down the pecking order in his position in the eyes of his manager no matter what he did, I can recall him playing against Rangers last season and being one of the stars for Celtic. From the little I know about him he is a good lad who will fit in well with the guys at St Marys and I fully expect a few on here to be eating humble pie in a few games. Give the lad a chance you are going to be pleasently surprised. Thank you for one of the very few pieces of informed input on the subject - some sense among the uninformed childish negativity. Unfortunately, the people on here who should be "eating humble pie in a few games" are probably the same ones who will be saying "I knew he'd be a good signing". That's how they work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 But we just sold AOC for 12 million quid and we have a reserve team CB to show for it when what we desperately needed was real quality next to Fonte to form a partnership. We also have no competition for Lambert who if he gets injured will leave a gaping hole in our squad with little on the bench to really change a game. Great start from the team but that makes it all the more infuriating that we haven't capitalised on it. Nice to see I am getting a bit less abuse than normal. I have been totally consistent throughout the window, a quality permanent CB and optionally a striker was what was needed and for whatever reason, if we are honest with ourselves we haven't delivered in the market in that area. I think some people are starting to come round to other ways of thinking. Wait till the end of the window was the cry, well I have waited and frankly I'm underwhelmed. I just don't think Nigel is a big enough draw frankly coupled with our negotiating skills. Slight problem with the bench in that with only 5 players our options are limited. We seem to have several utility players dotted about the squad. Lallana, Guly, Di Ridder, Forte, Cork, attacking full backs and now we have a mixture of strength, experience, youth and height at CB. not much room for specialist replacements on the bench for the likes of Lambert anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Welcome Jos, go and prove the naysayers wrong, theres a good lad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 All this talk of 'could have had Gorkss, could have had Jamal' is plain ridiculous. 99% of saints fans know anything of these players just like Hooiveld. Judge him on the pitch, not on the basis that Neil Lennon didnt rate him. In NA we trust. I dont think this was a panic buy as i believe NA and NC dont operate this way. Therefore the guy has talent so lets get behind him. Furthermore, if it doesnt work out like many on here are probably hoping, its only a loan til jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Thank you for one of the very few pieces of informed input on the subject - some sense among the uninformed childish negativity. Unfortunately, the people on here who should be "eating humble pie in a few games" are probably the same ones who will be saying "I knew he'd be a good signing". That's how they work. So are you suggesting that the five pages of Celtic fans are uninformed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 If you look at the comments from AIK to Celtic just as they sold him a fan says, "yes he is a good player, too good for Celtic". Seems very popular amongst them but just that things did not work out at Celtic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Welcome to Southampton Jus Hoofit (or however it's pronounced). Hope you learn the English game quickly son. You have a good teacher in Mr Fonte. Cheerio in January if you're pants! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 (edited) He has only played 4 games at home for Celtic. Most of their fans haven't seen him play enough to warrant anything even close to a valid opinion on him as a player. Those four games saw a 9-0 win, a 4-0 win, a 2-2 draw and a 2-1 win in the Champions League against Braga who went on to be runners up in the EUROPA League. Edited 31 August, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 I did, I am not quite sure now but hope to god I am proved wrong Why? Our squad is no worse than it was yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Why? Our squad is no worse than it was yesterday. I don't get it either. The mood around here is like we've sold Lallana, Cork, Fonte and replaced them with Hoovield. but hang on, we haven't. So we've now got more depth and because of that we have less chance of being competitive in and around the top6. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 So are you suggesting that the five pages of Celtic fans are uninformed? You ever met a glaswegian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 So are you suggesting that the five pages of Celtic fans are uninformed? Yes because I'm pretty sure that there will be a fair few like you and our other negative posters among them. They paid a lot of money for him but he hasn't exactly played enough to warrant the kind of negativity they show - seven games. Just like you and me, they haven't seen enough of him to reach an informed opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 I don't get it either. The mood around here is like we've sold Lallana, Cork, Fonte and replaced them with Hoovield. but hang on, we haven't. So we've now got more depth and because of that we have less chance of being competitive in and around the top6. Go figure. I think this new guy should be fine. It was obvious last night our defence isnt good enough. I think having sold AOC its natural that people expected the squad to be strengthened. Where do you think that money will go? However, if people were too pricey for what they were worth I can also see the sentiment of not paying over the odds and waiting til we get right deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Yes because I'm pretty sure that there will be a fair few like you and our other negative posters among them. They paid a lot of money for him but he hasn't exactly played enough to warrant the kind of negativity they show - seven games. Just like you and me, they haven't seen enough of him to reach an informed opinion. So they are as informed as our resident saints/celtic fan. What makes his opinion informed and theirs uninformed? I mean there is six pages of them to his one comment. I hope he is decent but to suggest that the one Celtic fan on here has an informed opinion whilst the six pages of Celtic fans on there are uninformed is quite clearly nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 You ever met a glaswegian? My contention is with the comment that the positive comment from the Celtic fan on here is informed whilst the six pages from the other celtic fans ore uninformed. That's rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 My contention is with the comment that the positive comment from the Celtic fan on here is informed whilst the six pages from the other celtic fans ore uninformed. That's rubbish. And my contention with your point is that... He has only played 4 games at home for Celtic. Most of their fans haven't seen him play enough to warrant anything even close to a valid opinion on him as a player. Those four games saw a 9-0 win, a 4-0 win, a 2-2 draw and a 2-1 win in the Champions League against Braga who went on to be runners up in the EUROPA League. He then went out on loan and played for a team that made the last 16 of the Champions League in 2010/11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 But we just sold AOC for 12 million quid That's my point about having money burning a hole in your pocket. You don't necessarily spend it because you have it, you wait for value or real necessity. No wonder so many people (and footie clubs) are in the financial ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 How about with this...? Why does that make the Celtic fan on here more informed than the other celtic fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 MLG is here to save the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsmike25 Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 I'm glad we got him on loan. We DON'T need to get a long term centre back for the moment, not whilst we couldn't get our targets. He'll do a good job and provide cover which is what we need incase of injuries. From what I've heard what he does lack is a bit of mobility but at 6 foot 4 he can mop up in the air well. By January Seabourne will be a much better player anyway he's progressing very well. As for the striker situation, there's still time for a loan, if not we have Guly/Lambert/Barnard/Connolly/Forte/Lallana/ and Hoskins who is meant to be doing very well. What we don't have in depth we make up for in team spirit and togetherness. Connolly has been a revelation this season so far, and if we can keep him fit and provide the service we all know he'll put 'em away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Chris Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 As a Scottish Southampton fan from outside Glasgow I've possibly seen more of JH than most on here... he came to Celtic with a big reputation and I think that's pretty much why he's viewed so negatively by Celtic fans - injuries and a couple of mistakes have seen him labelled a total failure. He's a big guy, good in the air and reasonably clever with the ball at his feet but not the quickest. If the change of scene gives him the confidence boost he desperately needs then we may just have a player on our hands. There's no reason he can't be a success here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Why does that make the Celtic fan on here more informed than the other celtic fans? Did I say it did? I don't think any Celtic fan really knows what he is like. I'm looking forward to making my own mind up when I see him at St Mary's between now and January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Thanks SFC Chris. looks like you'll have to make a trip south to see for yourself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Did I say it did? I don't think any Celtic fan really knows what he is like. I'm looking forward to making my own mind up when I see him at St Mary's between now and January. Good then we agree. The Celtic fan's positive comments on here are equally as informed as the six pages of comments on the Celtic forum, that was my only contention and why you felt the need not to answer what I said, I have no idea. I hope he will do a decent job despite my initial feelings of disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Cheers sfc chris, good to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Nearly all the comments on the fans board are from fans living in Ireland or from the Gaelic north west. . Bit like Man U, the majority have probably never seen the team play, lett alone this player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 My contention is with the comment that the positive comment from the Celtic fan on here is informed whilst the six pages from the other celtic fans ore uninformed. That's rubbish. My reference to uninformed comment was more aimed at people like you rather than the Celtic fans, but carry on twisting what I originally said in that typical way that causes so many people to take a run at you. saintstr1 provided another perspective and backed it up with something other than bile and negativity based on seven games. Unlike you, I tend to look for the positive first - or withhold comment until I know a little more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 A few reports of his time in Denmark http://www.celtic.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=5651&posts=10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Chris Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Thanks SFC Chris. looks like you'll have to make a trip south to see for yourself! I haven't been to a game since the defeat at Carlisle... I'm bad luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 My reference to uninformed comment was more aimed at people like you rather than the Celtic fans, but carry on twisting what I originally said in that typical way that causes so many people to take a run at you. saintstr1 provided another perspective and backed it up with something other than bile and negativity based on seven games. Unlike you, I tend to look for the positive first - or withhold comment until I know a little more. I never twisted anything. You said he was one of the few with informed input on the subject. I assumed you meant that by extension, the majority of others were uninformed. Was simply pointing out that there is six pages of posters equally as informed as that poster. I didn't realise you meant just on this forum, though I can see how the ambiguity of your words may have caused me to make an error. No bile or negativity from me, but equally not mindless positivity either. I have been consistent in my views for most of the transfer window and our failure to get our top targets is disappointing and I have a right to that opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 FFS so many people on here are judge jury and executioner. I know nothing about the guy, but surely NA didn't just pluck his name out of the air. At least lets give him a chance, who is to say he might not be good for us. Or are some already booking his ride in the back seat of Gulys' taxi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 FFS so many people on here are judge jury and executioner. I know nothing about the guy, but surely NA didn't just pluck his name out of the air. At least lets give him a chance, who is to say he might not be good for us. Or are some already booking his ride in the back seat of Gulys' taxi? Nope, another one wrong again. No one is not giving him a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 1 September, 2011 Share Posted 1 September, 2011 I never twisted anything. You said he was one of the few with informed input on the subject. I assumed you meant that by extension, the majority of others were uninformed. Was simply pointing out that there is six pages of posters equally as informed as that poster. I didn't realise you meant just on this forum, though I can see how the ambiguity of your words may have caused me to make an error. No bile or negativity from me, but equally not mindless positivity either. I have been consistent in my views for most of the transfer window and our failure to get our top targets is disappointing and I have a right to that opinion. You take forums waaaayyyyyy too seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 1 September, 2011 Share Posted 1 September, 2011 You take forums waaaayyyyyy too seriously. Just canadasaint with his usual double standards and idiocy suggesting that I want SFC to fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 1 September, 2011 Share Posted 1 September, 2011 Just canadasaint with his usual double standards and idiocy suggesting that I want SFC to fail. You really need to grow up and start wondering why so many people take issue with you. It is quite a common thing, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 1 September, 2011 Share Posted 1 September, 2011 Meh What an average signing, for a club with clearly no aspirations for Premier League football next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 1 September, 2011 Share Posted 1 September, 2011 You really need to grow up and start wondering why so many people take issue with you. It is quite a common thing, isn't it? Only from the usual posters on here. Theuglyinside is largely abuse free because they can tolerate opinions which differ from their own. Similarly a large number on here are able to disagree and put their views rationally. OldNick, Franks Cousin and Minty are three such long standing posters who spring to mind. You would do well to take note of some of their behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 1 September, 2011 Share Posted 1 September, 2011 Meh What an average signing, for a club with clearly no aspirations for Premier League football next season. We've just been promoted from League 1. Get some f*cking perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 1 September, 2011 Share Posted 1 September, 2011 We've just been promoted from League 1. Get some f*cking perspective. I'm sure Norwich said the same last season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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