Dan Seaborne. Harshly Treated?

[georgeweahscousin]

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Anyone else think the 'desperation' for a new centre half is a bit much?

[Give it to Ron]

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Anyone else think the 'desperation' for a new centre half is a bit much?

 

You may have a point ...but too many disappointing performances last year have made up the minds of some fans including me.

He had a very good game against Millwall a game where I thought Fonte was poor in...against Leicester it was Fonte that made the slip but I got a few texts and saw a few comments on here about how crap Seaborne was.

I think Seaborne is ok as a stop gap in certain games but if we want to push on we need someone better.

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Anyone else think the 'desperation' for a new centre half is a bit much?

 

Whilst he's not as bad as portrayed by many he isn't good enough if we want to go up.

[Foxstone]

He is still young and has plenty of time to improve. I do think he has the ability to step up to another level, but not perhaps yet.

 

nevertheless, we should continue to embrace and develop him within the club.

[miserableoldgit]

He is still young and has plenty of time to improve. I do think he has the ability to step up to another level, but not perhaps yet.

 

nevertheless, we should continue to embrace and develop him within the club.

Totally agree.

[Big_Bald_Si]

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Anyone else think the 'desperation' for a new centre half is a bit much?

 

Not really. If we've got designs on getting out of this league, we need the quality to match it. I've absolutely no problem with Seabourne as he gives his all every game, but can you really see him playing in the Premier League?

[miserableoldgit]

Not really. If we've got designs on getting out of this league, we need the quality to match it. I've absolutely no problem with Seabourne as he gives his all every game, but can you really see him playing in the Premier League?[/QUOTE]

 

In a year or 18 months, who knows?? Depends how he develops, surely?

[John B]

Not really. If we've got designs on getting out of this league, we need the quality to match it. I've absolutely no problem with Seabourne as he gives his all every game, but can you really see him playing in the Premier League?

 

Totally agree he must be in the top 100 English CBs yet he gets slagged off by so many

 

Whether he develpos into a PL CB only time and hardwork will tell

[Doctoroncall]

Not really. If we've got designs on getting out of this league, we need the quality to match it. I've absolutely no problem with Seabourne as he gives his all every game, but can you really see him playing in the Premier League?

 

Isn't that the million dollar question that is hard to answer even for those involved in football development let alone a fans forum. Plus that is only one aspect, other considerations are the relationship with the partner centre back, willingness to learn and not always be in the starting eleven etc

[st alex]

Wasn't Higginbothom in a similar situation with us? Was always back up, never really looked anything special - in fact quite often looked a liability and then moved up to the Premiership to play first team football.

[Bourno]

There is no doubt he is improving, but he still looks a bit like a rabbit caught in headlights when he has the ball at his feet and has to pass it out of defence. Also he gets caught the wrong side of defenders - Leicester it cost a goal and the free kick he gave away aganst Swindon led to their goal.

[John Smith]

So, after a year of bashing Hammond, we're now going to bash Seabourne. And when we replace Seabourne, we'll bash Harding, and when... and on and on.

 

Basically, Seabourne is a good defender. Like I have said with Hammond, I'll say the same for Seabourne. He does a lot that goes unnoticed. He is a very big CB and we need someone of his size and strength, particularly as Jaidi is not featuring at present. Martin is also a good CB. Very tall but not as strong but more comfortable on the ball. People saying these two aren't good enough are dreaming! Maybe the argument of, they're not good enough for the Prem, is relevant. But, I would add the word 'yet'! They're not good enough yet, because they need to gain experience at Chmpionship level forst. They are both VERY young, particularly for CB's, but, they both have characteristics and abilities required to be a good Prem CB. Play them! play them next to Fonte. Both can do this, both need a guiding hand, but, as a Striker up against either of these, I would be trying extra hard to have to beat them.

 

Give them time, bring them on and in 5 years time, we will have 2 of the best British defenders in the Prem! OK, give it LOL and LMAO, and call me all the names you like, but, I said Hammond was very good last season and it was Morgan that was strugling and Hammond was covering for the young lad and doing a damn good job of it too. Look at Morgan this year, he's delivering what we want now. He has competition for his place (Cork) and he needs to fight for his place alongside Hammond. Hamond is going to be key again this year. He holds the midfield together, gives us our shape, dictates the tempo and when he plays well, so do Saints.

 

So, let's get off of Seabourne's back, let's support and encourage the potential we have at this club and bring them through. Martin as well, 2 very good CB's. We are lucky to have them both, let's not waste them. people are envious of our squad and our potential, don't ruin the potential by buying in average 'experienced' CB's when we have potentially very good CB's already here, just give them experience, play them! When Jaidi comes back, rotate them. They ALL offer something different, Fonte, Jaidi, Seabourne and Martin, a good selection of potential and experience! Can you not see it? Then start looking, it's there.

[Whitey]

Seaborne makes some great tackles, but then he'll ruin his hard work with a mistake... and that'll cost us. He's good cover, but not good enough to be Fonte's regular partner IMO.

[stevegrant]

I think a lot of the stick he gets is unwarranted, but at the same time I would still like to see us sign another centre-back (preferably one with pace as well as a bit of muscle, as that's where we were caught out at Leicester). If that new signing is currently a better player than Seaborne, he gets in the team ahead of him. Seaborne will get his chance with injuries, suspensions, sensible squad rotation, etc. He's still young, so has plenty of time to improve and gain experience.

[Lets B Avenue]

There is no doubt he is improving, but he still looks a bit like a rabbit caught in headlights when he has the ball at his feet and has to pass it out of defence. Also he gets caught the wrong side of defenders - Leicester it cost a goal and the free kick he gave away aganst Swindon led to their goal.

 

It was Richardson, not Seaborne, last night. In fact it was a blatant dive by the cheating slaphead who should have been sent off at half-time.

 

But dont let this get in the way of a good slating.

[um pahars]

Not sure many are actively booing him or getting on his back, just being honest in their assessments that he is one of the weaker players in our set up. It's a pivotal position and I think if we have desires to push on then we probably need someone a bit better at this stage.

 

He's not a bad player and also one I think who will progress as he matures. He'll also get chances this season through injury, suspensions, squad rotation etc, just think he needs to be a back up rather than a first teamer.

 

I think as we progress up the divisions (fingers crossed), there will be quite a few players who have served us well, but who may well struggle at a higher standard (although as in Seabourne's case, time is on his side to develop).

[John Smith]

Not sure if anyone has been booing him, so, a bit far on that one I think. But, I think people are forgetting our exceptional defensive performance last season, of which, Seabourne played a major role. Also, playing 3 or 4 games at this level this season, will not help him progress, assuming he is behind Fonte, New Signing, Jaidi and Martin. This will effectively end his Southampton career. Also, no player I know of, 'progressed' to be a Premiership level player by playing 3 or 4 games in the Championship. Age on your side isn't a good thing if you're rotting in the reserves week in week out. Potential is there, experience is needed, rotate Seabourne Martin and Jaidi, we will do well.

 

I also think Martin is a good asset and thought he played well against Leeds, unfortunate with the 'handball' (shoulder), at the end, but, thought I'd see him again. Does he suffer from a niggly injury or something? Seriously, think he is and has been good and would personally choose him in front of Seabourne.

[Giordano]

I agree totally with everything John Smith has said. I would pick Martin first as well but in any case Seabourne and Martin just need to play with Fonte alongside and game by game they will improve. If they get a good full season they might be the most prepared they can ever be for the likes of Aguerro, Rooney, Carroll and Bent. IF we buy another CB though they better be damn fine top class international quality because if they are "squad" its an indictment of the existing two CB's thats for sure and a waste of time.

 

I do think that, as someone mentioned on the list, that having good CB's often comes hand in glove with having good FB's who stop crosses etc effectively. We might have a great pair of CB's but if we are getting overrun and the FB's not working properly its like trying to stop the tide..

[The9]

Wasn't Higginbothom in a similar situation with us? Was always back up, never really looked anything special - in fact quite often looked a liability and then moved up to the Premiership to play first team football.

 

Higginbotham played in the Prem FIVE SEASONS before he even signed for Saints, and made more Prem appearances before he signed for Saints than he did for us. He was always a borderline case though, which is why he initially signed for Stoke and then Sunderland at a time when both were newly promoted, and played for Derby and Saints who got relegated. A better left back than centre-back, but nevertheless tended to pass the ball to the opposing right midfielder more often than not.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Not sure many are actively booing him or getting on his back, just being honest in their assessments that he is one of the weaker players in our set up. It's a pivotal position and I think if we have desires to push on then we probably need someone a bit better at this stage.

 

He's not a bad player and also one I think who will progress as he matures. He'll also get chances this season through injury, suspensions, squad rotation etc, just think he needs to be a back up rather than a first teamer.

 

I think as we progress up the divisions (fingers crossed), there will be quite a few players who have served us well, but who may well struggle at a higher standard (although as in Seabourne's case, time is on his side to develop).

 

Yep, that's a pretty fair summary.

 

He's what you might call a real 'tryer', he'll throw himself into every challenge, boot the ball away upfield if he can, and give you absolutley everything he's got every single game. The trouble is he just hasn't that much real quality to give - kinda like a Centre Half version of Paul Wotton.

 

A back up player in this squad at best.

[Pugwash]

So, after a year of bashing Hammond, we're now going to bash Seabourne. And when we replace Seabourne, we'll bash Harding, and when... and on and on.

 

Basically, Seabourne is a good defender. Like I have said with Hammond, I'll say the same for Seabourne. He does a lot that goes unnoticed. He is a very big CB and we need someone of his size and strength, particularly as Jaidi is not featuring at present. Martin is also a good CB. Very tall but not as strong but more comfortable on the ball. People saying these two aren't good enough are dreaming! Maybe the argument of, they're not good enough for the Prem, is relevant. But, I would add the word 'yet'! They're not good enough yet, because they need to gain experience at Chmpionship level forst. They are both VERY young, particularly for CB's, but, they both have characteristics and abilities required to be a good Prem CB. Play them! play them next to Fonte. Both can do this, both need a guiding hand, but, as a Striker up against either of these, I would be trying extra hard to have to beat them.

 

Give them time, bring them on and in 5 years time, we will have 2 of the best British defenders in the Prem! OK, give it LOL and LMAO, and call me all the names you like, but, I said Hammond was very good last season and it was Morgan that was strugling and Hammond was covering for the young lad and doing a damn good job of it too. Look at Morgan this year, he's delivering what we want now. He has competition for his place (Cork) and he needs to fight for his place alongside Hammond. Hamond is going to be key again this year. He holds the midfield together, gives us our shape, dictates the tempo and when he plays well, so do Saints.

 

So, let's get off of Seabourne's back, let's support and encourage the potential we have at this club and bring them through. Martin as well, 2 very good CB's. We are lucky to have them both, let's not waste them. people are envious of our squad and our potential, don't ruin the potential by buying in average 'experienced' CB's when we have potentially very good CB's already here, just give them experience, play them! When Jaidi comes back, rotate them. They ALL offer something different, Fonte, Jaidi, Seabourne and Martin, a good selection of potential and experience! Can you not see it? Then start looking, it's there.

 

This. Couldn't have put it better myself.

[Colinjb]

I wouldn't consider Seaborne to be unfairly singled out, but I have seen a player that is limited compared to many championship defenders having to really stretch himself to do his job. Some gave him man of the match plaudits against Millwall when I saw a guy who was being targetted as a weak link by the opposing attack and who just about held them off. Week in week out it would be unfair to expect the same but he no doubt would be targetted again.

 

He is able back-up but we need someone who can more comfortably do that job if we are to progress, having said that though, if he is to be a mainstay in the first team he will absolutely need the support of everyone concerned.

[Pugwash]

...against Millwall when I saw a guy who was being targetted as a weak link by the opposing attack and who just about held them off. Week in week out it would be unfair to expect the same but he no doubt would be targetted again.

 

But that's the point - he coped. Four years ago, at the age of 20 he was playing for Dorchester Town. Since then, he's gone up a league pretty much every season and has had to up his game each time. He's still young and is adapting and learning from older and wiser heads. Yes, he makes mistakes, but he does have potential to improve and hasn't reached his peak yet.

 

Prem? Possibly not, time will tell. But he'll do a decent job in this league.

[Colinjb]

But that's the point - he coped.

 

Only just! It felt like just a matter of time before he caved.

 

As I did say, if he is to be trusted by Nigel to be a first choice centre back he will need our support.

[Pugwash]

As I did say, if he is to be trusted by Nigel to be a first choice centre back he will need our support.

 

Fair summary to the thread. Too many people wanting a Pulis/Forecast/(insert your least favourite player's name here) to have a pop at, imo.

[Saint Stimp]

Regarding the title of your article, I can confirm he is in a relationship. Sorry ladies.

[ribbo]

So, after a year of bashing Hammond, we're now going to bash Seabourne. And when we replace Seabourne, we'll bash Harding, and when... and on and on.

 

Basically, Seabourne is a good defender. Like I have said with Hammond, I'll say the same for Seabourne. He does a lot that goes unnoticed. He is a very big CB and we need someone of his size and strength, particularly as Jaidi is not featuring at present. Martin is also a good CB. Very tall but not as strong but more comfortable on the ball. People saying these two aren't good enough are dreaming! Maybe the argument of, they're not good enough for the Prem, is relevant. But, I would add the word 'yet'! They're not good enough yet, because they need to gain experience at Chmpionship level forst. They are both VERY young, particularly for CB's, but, they both have characteristics and abilities required to be a good Prem CB. Play them! play them next to Fonte. Both can do this, both need a guiding hand, but, as a Striker up against either of these, I would be trying extra hard to have to beat them.

 

Give them time, bring them on and in 5 years time, we will have 2 of the best British defenders in the Prem! OK, give it LOL and LMAO, and call me all the names you like, but, I said Hammond was very good last season and it was Morgan that was strugling and Hammond was covering for the young lad and doing a damn good job of it too. Look at Morgan this year, he's delivering what we want now. He has competition for his place (Cork) and he needs to fight for his place alongside Hammond. Hamond is going to be key again this year. He holds the midfield together, gives us our shape, dictates the tempo and when he plays well, so do Saints.

 

So, let's get off of Seabourne's back, let's support and encourage the potential we have at this club and bring them through. Martin as well, 2 very good CB's. We are lucky to have them both, let's not waste them. people are envious of our squad and our potential, don't ruin the potential by buying in average 'experienced' CB's when we have potentially very good CB's already here, just give them experience, play them! When Jaidi comes back, rotate them. They ALL offer something different, Fonte, Jaidi, Seabourne and Martin, a good selection of potential and experience! Can you not see it? Then start looking, it's there.

 

This and for the record Hammonds Massivly improved this season (but then I didnt think he did bad last season), i've noticed he's got a lot more drive and energy but I didnt think it was down to tactics.

[Chez]

John Smith seems to have covered almost everything except the improvement shown by Seaborne this season in terms of ball winning and nastiness. He's been much more horrible so far and if he keeps showing that then you won't hear complaints from me. If he returns to the `after you' style centre back then I'll join the sheep that are currently berating him every week now no matter how well he performs.

[Bourno]

It was Richardson, not Seaborne, last night. In fact it was a blatant dive by the cheating slaphead who should have been sent off at half-time.

 

But dont let this get in the way of a good slating.

 

Just seen the highlights and you are of course correct it was Richardson, my bad.

[Giordano]

Agree with Chaz- Seabourne has added nastiness this year. I already feel we've got three very good ccc cb's in martin, seabourne and fonte plus an excellent experienced old timer in Radji who can do a job on occasion at this level -and will do when injury and suspensions kick in. One good year at this level maybe two and I think they will get better still and make the EPL grade.

 

 

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