saint boggy Posted 6 September, 2011 Share Posted 6 September, 2011 who knew this thread would go to 6 pages!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 September, 2011 Share Posted 6 September, 2011 who knew this thread would go to 6 pages!! I think Matthew le Nutjob can account for 2 or 3 of those on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 6 September, 2011 Share Posted 6 September, 2011 Proof that DNA was designed by a mind: (1) DNA is not merely a molecule with a pattern;it is a code, a language, and an information storage mechanism. (2) All codes we know the origin of are created by a conscious mind. (3) Therefore DNA was designed by a mind, and language and information are proof of the action of a Superintelligence. We can explore five possible conclusions: 1) Humans designed DNA 2) Aliens designed DNA 3) DNA occurred randomly and spontaneously 4) There must be some undiscovered law of physics that creates information 5) DNA was Designed by a Superintelligence, i.e. God. (1) requires time travel or infinite generations of humans. (2) could well be true but only pushes the question back in time. (3) may be a remote possibility, but it’s not a scientific explanation in that it doesn’t refer to a systematic, repeatable process. It’s nothing more than an appeal to luck . (4) could be true but no one can form a testable hypothesis until someone observes a naturally occurring code. So the only systematic explanation that remains is (5) a theological one. To the extent that scientific reasoning can prove anything, DNA is proof of a designer. The answer is (6), none of the above, for you have created a false polychotomy to support your argument. The closest is a combination of (3) and (4), also known as natural selection - note that natural selection is not exclusively the domain of mammals or even organisms. Remember also that we are talking about a process taking place over millions of years (hence the use of "spontaneously" is disingenuous). To reject the natural formation of DNA is to reject all of evolution (though that might not be a problem for your argument). HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 6 September, 2011 Share Posted 6 September, 2011 The answer is (6), none of the above, for you have created a false polychotomy to support your argument. The closest is a combination of (3) and (4), also known as natural selection - note that natural selection is not exclusively the domain of mammals or even organisms. Remember also that we are talking about a process taking place over millions of years (hence the use of "spontaneously" is disingenuous). To reject the natural formation of DNA is to reject all of evolution (though that might not be a problem for your argument). HTH. No, its not. It is possible that whatever force drove the coding of dna simply did that as a starting point, and its possible that may have been intentional. Its a circular argument that always comes back to where it began, why would we exist at all? What started the universe and then evolution in the first place, and for what purpose? The argument about our existence being a completely random occurrence doesnt seem any more convincing to me than the concept of something having designed it to happen. Could be either, as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 6 September, 2011 Share Posted 6 September, 2011 Better still - being laughed at by someone who has seen invisible, walking dead people...! I haven't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 6 September, 2011 Share Posted 6 September, 2011 I haven't... Congratulations on your 6000th post mate. You could of made it a bit spicier... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 7 September, 2011 Share Posted 7 September, 2011 No, its not. It is possible that whatever force drove the coding of dna simply did that as a starting point, and its possible that may have been intentional. Its a circular argument that always comes back to where it began, why would we exist at all? What started the universe and then evolution in the first place, and for what purpose? The argument about our existence being a completely random occurrence doesnt seem any more convincing to me than the concept of something having designed it to happen. Could be either, as far as I'm concerned. This assumes though that there is answer... As human beings we have EVOLVED a reasonable brain through natural selection to aid in our survival and thus pass on our genetic 'virus' - the body/brain is a by product, not by design, but by accident. An additional consequence is that we have evolved a brain that questions and reasons - so at points in history where there were no answers to the the questions we had, we explored the concepts of higher beings being responsible for our existence - it provide comfort from the fear of the unknown. As these questions have been answered by science (through the testing of hypotheses to develop theories _ please note its important to understand the real meaning of 'theory' before its dismissed - those advocating certain religous or 'belief system'- like to dismiss scientific explanations such as evolution because its only a 'theory' dont understand what is meant by it... but thats another argument) we stopped worshipping sun gods an volcanoes, because storms/lightinmg no longer held any fear... Belief systems had their place in education in the past, despite their often idiotic foundations and contradictory teachings... and would have dissappeared but for another side effect of brain... the realisation that by some greedy smart feckers that they could control popultaions through it, and its also a good way of accumulating wealth/control (see vatican). As to Ghosts an ghooulies and all such ******, the Ouiji (spelling) board started as a 'Palour game' The whole 'spiritualism' bolox started as a trick played by two young girls in the 19th century, making knocking signs on a table - and it excalated in the US (surprize surprize) to become a billion dollar global industry - its always been about the money! If you want to believe there is something there, go ahead, up to you, but remember its always about the money. Re FAITH etc... well I m not going to dismiss the fact that there are those who find some sort of benefit in belief... but my question to those is, what is 'Missing' form your life that you need this 'crutch'? Why do some find it necessary to find a 'reason' for our existance at all? Is not the very fact that you exist, have evolved from nothing, exist by accident and live in a world that despite its hideous flaws (mostly of our own doing) its actually a pretty amazing place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 7 September, 2011 Share Posted 7 September, 2011 What an utter **** thread this has turned into.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 7 September, 2011 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2011 Last night I woke up needing a pee at 1.00am, got out of bed to see the bedroom door wide open (I always shut bedroom door, always have always will) and when I got to the pee pee hole the shower was going full strength nextdoor. I did a pee pee and legged it back into bed shutting the door behind me. I suppose the vibration or heat opened the door and turned on the shower did it? Just one thing to mention, I left the shower on full for some reason I cannot explain, and when I got out of bed and went for a poo the shower was off, all but a trickle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 8 September, 2011 Author Share Posted 8 September, 2011 OK folks, i have taken a photo of my cellar yesterday afternoon just to show you all what I have to put up with. I did take two photos, the one i am posting seems to have loads of blurs on the photo, and the second one which was taken 10 seconds after doesn't. I only took the two photos in case the first one didn't come out good. Just to let you know when I took the photo it was totally pitch black and as you will see is quite gloomy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 8 September, 2011 Author Share Posted 8 September, 2011 2nd photo taken 10 seconds after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 That's one hell of a scary cellar mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 No wonder your having nightmares with a cellar like that!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Even Fritzl would be scared of that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Sod the blurs, it's the cum shots on the ceiling I would be worried about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 8 September, 2011 Author Share Posted 8 September, 2011 I am not having nightmares, what I have said is happening and all true. The cellar is flooded and under 12" of water which has a smokey effect certain times of the day and it's really huge, at the bottom of the stairs it splits into two rooms which are both probably 20mtrs x 8mtrs in size. Anyone wanting to spend the night down there is more than welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 8 September, 2011 Author Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Why are there blurs in the first photo and not in the second? I never cleaned the mobile phone lens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 8 September, 2011 Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Why are there blurs in the first photo and not in the second? I never cleaned the mobile phone lens. Dead people. HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 8 September, 2011 Author Share Posted 8 September, 2011 Dead people. HTH. Probably is to be honest. Three years ago a scouser was battered to death by four Taffs in the sitting room over a game of brag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 12 September, 2011 Author Share Posted 12 September, 2011 Right, have been to London all weekend, but spent last night and thursday night at home after watching that rubbish film Paranormal Activity and haven't heard a boo since. Had a mate come round to do some repairs on my house and explained it all to him. When he left I invited the ghost to join him in his van and that he welcomed ghosts at this house, and since then it hasn't showed up. Do you think the ghost would really go to his house ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 12 September, 2011 Share Posted 12 September, 2011 Right, have been to London all weekend, but spent last night and thursday night at home after watching that rubbish film Paranormal Activity and haven't heard a boo since. Had a mate come round to do some repairs on my house and explained it all to him. When he left I invited the ghost to join him in his van and that he welcomed ghosts at this house, and since then it hasn't showed up. Do you think the ghost would really go to his house ? No. It is merely standing in a corner of your Celler, waiting for you to calm down an think everything is ok, before giving you a PROPER scare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 16 September, 2011 Author Share Posted 16 September, 2011 Update: Last night we were both woken up at 2.56am by what sounded like a large bang on the floor, followed by 5 or 6 thuds, very much like someone bouncing a ball in the bedroom. We both heard it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 16 September, 2011 Share Posted 16 September, 2011 This is brilliant stuff. Have you tried seeing if a newspaper will publish daily updates? Or maybe run it as a cartoon strip? I particularly liked post #276 where the ghost left in your mate's van, but only for a while! Genius! How much longer do you think you can keep this up before you're laughing so much you can't type any more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Neil Posted 16 September, 2011 Share Posted 16 September, 2011 Those "blurs" are known as orbs in the paranormal world, they represent the eyes of a lost soul. Now I havent counted how many there are but if there is an odd number you can bet your ass one of the ghosts was either a pirate or a cyclops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint.tom.clancy Posted 20 September, 2011 Share Posted 20 September, 2011 Whats the latest with this situation then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 20 September, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 September, 2011 Nothing too exciting to be honest, just the odd loud bang on the landing and in the bedroom on two occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 20 September, 2011 Share Posted 20 September, 2011 Nothing too exciting to be honest, just the odd loud bang on the landing and in the bedroom on two occasions. If only I was that lucky:cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted 20 September, 2011 Share Posted 20 September, 2011 I think your mate came back round in his van when you were out and put the ghost back in your house. Gutted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 20 September, 2011 Share Posted 20 September, 2011 I've done the ouija board several times. Although some strange things happened, I wasn't spooked and still find it hard to beleive in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 8 October, 2011 Share Posted 8 October, 2011 have you been taken over by a malevolent demon yet Dog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 8 October, 2011 Share Posted 8 October, 2011 So had dog had a complete breakdown yet or are his "ghost sightings" still just mild level paranoia and schizophrenia? Mind you i did like the fact he's now share his insanity with a friend rather than getting someone in to look at the damp in his cellar. Oh and as for the blurs welcome to the world of lens flares, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lens_flare even a slight shift in how you hold the camera might let different lights in. Of course the logical answer is ghosts.... i think the clincher though is have you seen this lot yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 6 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 6 February, 2012 The ghost returned on saturday evening. We decided to have an early night, so went up to bed around 11.50pm, whilst we were both in the bedroom getting undressed there was a loud thud which came from the attic, followed by what sounded like many tiles falling off the roof, we could hear scraping noises from above. Anyway, didn't really bother us that much, as we both know that something is in our house. Right, we get into bed and we are talking about stuff, when all of a sudden behind me was a very loud double tapping noise on what seemed to appear like a stone or something metal on the window. My partner froze and sh;t herself, I got out of bed and checked outside the window to see if anything had been thrown at the bedroom window, nothing. Then, I mentioned that the sound wasn't actually the window, but it was directly behind me, which on the wall was a very old mirror, the tapping had come from the mirror which had been given to my partner by her now deceased relative. All very strange, but for the first time, it actually made my balls shrink, and the hairs on my neck stand up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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