Pardew

[surrey1saint]

Onwards and upwards with NA!

[Dig Dig]

West ham promoted and then taken to eighth and an fa cup final did not require anyone to finish it off and is a far greater achievement than many managers have achieved. Adkins has done nothing even remotely comparable.

 

Shortely followed by managing west ham to their worst losing run in 70 years eventually leading to the sack and then being hounded out by Charlton after pushing them towards league 1. Adkins has done nothing remotely comparable

[Frank's cousin]

Rewind a couple of years and people were being slaughtered for suggesting Pardew and Cortese had fallen out!!!! They were right though!!!

 

 

 

I wouldn't say great, but decent enough considering what he inherited. There's no doubt that some of the foundations that we are successfully building on were laid down by Pardew.

 

TBF I dont think folk were slaughtering others for hinting at a falling out - but given teh timing, what we had been through etc... Folk, including myself were questioning the motivation behind such posts - guess we did not want to believe that all was not rosey... maybe paranoia, suspicion etc had become second nature... 'bedwetters' had feck all to do with it, but when there are negative posts starting again after a period in which we had hoped to have dug ourselves out of the garbge pile, it was not comfortable reading. I have a great deal of respect for Duncan and his views.. but I still struggle to understand the need to forward all the gossip, even if based on reasonable sources. What is the motivation or is there an agenda?

 

There are still many on here for example that struggle with NC.. and I am not talking about his few errors of judgement that have ****ed folk off... those go with the territory as you never please all the people all the time, no I am talking aout something more ingrained - whether its a suspicion of any business like approach, the concern of the 5 -year plan being a means to and end and sell off, or something else. Whatever it is, that is what sometimes contributes to the feeling that often its just shidt strirring based on gossip.

 

We dont know what the future holds, but if one thing the last few years has taught us is a very definite need to heed the old addage 'be careful what you wish for'... the clamour for rapid change and feverish support of so called 'fans' and their consortia or whatever has shown to be **** in the wind on more than one occaision.

 

Pards and NC did not get on... end of story. Change is made and whether it works better or worse is what we have to live with... worrying about and constantly fearing the worst, spreading rumours for no aparent reason seems a pointless exercise.

[Saint Without a Halo]

Yes I would imagine Pardew thinks it was a great decision:lol:

 

He probably does now in retrospect seeing he has ended up managing Newcastle!

[um pahars]

TBF I dont think folk were slaughtering others for hinting at a falling out - but given teh timing' date=' what we had been through etc... Folk, including myself were questioning the motivation behind such posts - guess we did not want to believe that all was not rosey... maybe paranoia, suspicion etc had become second nature...'bedwetters' had feck all to do with it, but when there are negative posts starting again after a period in which we had hoped to have dug ourselves out of the garbge pile, it was not comfortable reading. I have a great deal of respect for Duncan and his views.. but I still struggle to understand the need to forward all the gossip, even if based on reasonable sources. What is the motivation or is there an agenda? [/quote']

 

Go and find that thread again and have a read, it's quite an eye opener in to how people react and post on here.

 

As it turned out Duncan was spot on and was merely relaying what was actually going on behind the scenes. He was playing no part in the tension between Pardew and Cortese and was merely relaying what was actually happening. The fact that some chose to slaughter him for it says much more about them than it does him.

 

"What is the motivation? What is the agenda?"

 

I think you're tilting at windmills or hoping for a North Korean approach to only posting good news. Football is a game of ups and downs, of success and failure, of good decisions and bad decisions, of euphoria and depression. If you only want to hear (or experience) the good stuff, then I think you're in the wrong game. Often, as we have found out recently, great highs can come from great lows, but if you're only willing to accept the good news then maybe you should enforce your own media blackout, stick your head in the sand and just pray that everything is always going to be rosey. Hearing bad news is just as informative, worthwhile and as much a part of life as hearing good news.

 

Duncan made it clear that he hears various stuff and it is often only the most reliable (and that he has corroborated) that makes it up here. So what if it's bad news, would you rather we only had a policy of posting good news??

 

And to end where I started, go and find that thread again and read some of the postings slaughtering Duncan (including personal insults) only for reporting back what what was really going on behind the scenes. I've never seen a bunch of posts and posters more befitting of the term Bedwetters, just because they didn't want to hear the truth.

Edited 30 August, 2011 by um pahars

[CB Fry]

Shortely followed by managing west ham to their worst losing run in 70 years eventually leading to the sack and then being hounded out by Charlton after pushing them towards league 1. Adkins has done nothing remotely comparable

 

Quite right. He's never managed a single minute in the Premier League. Glad we agree. He has been relegated from the second tier though.

[Frank's cousin]

Go and find that thread again and have a read, it's quite an eye opener in to how people react and post on here.

 

As it turned out Duncan was spot on and was merely relaying what was actually going on behind the scenes. He was playing no part in the tension between Pardew and Cortese and was merely relaying what was actually happening. The fact that some chose to slaughter him for it says much more about him that it does them.

 

"What is the motivation? What is the agenda?"

 

I think you're tilting at windmills or hoping for a North Korean approach to only posting good news. Football is a game of ups and downs, of success and failure, of good decisions and bad decisions, of euphoria and depression. If you only want to hear (or experience) the good stuff, then I think you're in the wrong game. Often, as we have found out recently, great highs can come from great lows, but if you're only willing to accept the good news then maybe you should enforce your own media blackout, stick your head in the sand and just pray that everything is always going to be rosey. Hearing bad news is just as informative, worthwhile and as much a part of life as hearing good news.

 

Duncan made it clear that he hears various stuff and it is often only the most reliable (and that he has corroborated) that makes it up here. So what if it's bad news, would you rather we only had a policy of posting good news??

 

And to end where I started, go and find that thread again and read some of the postings slaughtering Duncan (including personal insults) only for reporting back what what was really going on behind the scenes. I've never seen a bunch of posts and posters more befitting of the term Bedwetters, just because they didn't want to hear the truth.

 

Fair enough to some degree... I dont think its a case of wanting to ignore the negatives no matter how much truth there is, nor even of only wanting to hear good news in the North Korean way LOL. I think its a reaction. Almost to the point of 'there is only so much bad news I can take' and after so many years of it, most folk just wanted to be happy in the knowledge that we were slowly climbing out of the abyss. Its the same rationale as to why MLT and maybe some of the others got so much abuse when being publically critical in the media - they may well have very valid points, and it may well be that in the long run more folk may consider they had a point - but its questioning why now? why when we are finally showing signs of improvement, stabilty and progress on the pitch, were the very folk who have said how much they only want what is best for the club, using outlets to criticise from a personal experience...it gave the perception of selfishness to some extent. I think the same applies to how Duncans post were received - even if totally trueful and honest in their delivery, the suspicion was 'what is his agenda' rightly or wrongly, our recent history has developed that paranoia.

 

Duncan is a great bloke, intelligent, passionate and having spoken and debated with him over a pint or two, happy to listen and discuss POVs even if in direct conflict with his own opinion - which is why at the time if I felt maybe a little ****ed off over the stories, its perhaps easy to see by others who dont know him, or think they do went too far in the abuse - there was no need or excuse for that.

 

I still to this day find it difficult to reconcile the 'need' to always know very detail, warts and all of the ins and outs - and the frustration in this is caused by the simple fact that more often than not the negative comments are based on the the outcome and not on an understanding of the rationale for decsions made.... and that nagging feeling that there are still many fans for whom NC will never be what they consider to be the only way to run a club... I just wish those that have these concerns would perhaps be more open in expressing WHY or whether their beliefs and ideology is a factor in their 'expression of concern'.

 

When Pards left, I was worried, not by Adkins arrival, seemed on paper like a good canditate, but because Pards had done a bloody good job so far in terms of where we had come from and were we about to re-enter the manager merry go round - the issue with Duncan pointing this out was that it began polarising fans again without access to the iunformation necessary to make an informed judgement and that is fundementally the problem... too often fans end up at opposite ends of the spectrum based on pre-existing perceptions and not on teh merits or otherwise of the decision made or in full pocession of the facts.

[Dig Dig]

Quite right. He's never managed a single minute in the Premier League. Glad we agree. He has been relegated from the second tier though.

 

No he hasn't, hopefully he'll have the opportunity with us. He is at a much earlier stage in his career though and I'm sure that should he achieve what AP has achieved in football (he already has one more promotion under his belt) he'll look back with mild dissapointment because he's showing the promise of so much more.

[Gordon Mockles]

Always thought it was a good decision.

 

Yeah but you thought the most destructive Chairman in the club's history was a good thing so that invalidates your opinion for having any credence whatsoever!! LOL

[Frank's cousin]

the most destructive Chairman in the club's history LOL

 

...I guess though that there are more than one candidate for that honour now... and I suspect that viewing our history with the benefit of the rectospectoscope might challenge some folks ideas of what was destructive and what was perhaps more prescient... but I doubt that those with the deeply ingrained over emotive opinion will ever acknowledge that... LOL I wont hold my breath anyway.

[Legod Third Coming]

The decision to sack Pardew was and remains a shocking decision in football terms.

 

If he was going to be fired (which he clearly was) the decision was made two months too late and could easily have ruined our season.

 

The decisions to appoint both Pardew and Adkins were excellent. Adkins has proved himself a good manager. So did Pardew.

 

I don't think it's even possible to compare their achievements, mind. The circumstances were completely different.

 

Who do I prefer as a man, Adkins, no question.