Saint Malc Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Tomorrow is the anniversary of the Pardew sacking after our 0-4 drubbing of Bristol Rovers. I was gutted at the time but, as it happens, what a great decision :-) Anyone disagree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Always thought it was a good decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 when compare the pre seasons.....never in doubt.. good luck to pards, had a good start at newcastle..will be amazed if he starts next season as manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 I was gutted at the time ... has all worked out for the best. I still think AP is a good manager (has Newcastle up to 6th in the PL I see) and I will always remember him in a good light becuase of the JPT. Things have moved on Nigels doing a great job it's good being a saints fan right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Hate to do an MLG but Tuesday is the anniversary I was gutted at the time, but as others have said it worked out for the best. Would always applaud him if he returns with an opposing team though, helped build the foundations of our recent success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 I wasn't happy at the time, made some great signings and seemed to be the reason why Lallana stayed. That said, I wouldn't change it if I could. NA has been brilliant!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 It was clear that something wasn't right, and although I appreciate what he did for us I was often frustrated watching us under AP. He had one gameplan and one gameplan only, if it didn't work... That was that. Wish him all the best but delighted At how everything has worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locksheathsaint101 Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Great manager but Adkins is doing just as well currently. If adkins gets us in the playlets this year then I don't think we can miss him at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 It was clear that something wasn't right, and although I appreciate what he did for us I was often frustrated watching us under AP. He had one gameplan and one gameplan only, if it didn't work... That was that. Wish him all the best but delighted At how everything has worked out. I like the way Nigel either changes things up or is able to get stuff out of the team. I went to the Tranmere game that Pardew presided over, and it was honestly dire from a Saints fan's perspective. However, I had much the same experience when we played Rochdale last year. Clearly, there are times when even Adkins plan B doesn't hit the mark. Difference is, these occasions are rarer under Adkins management, whereas they seemed to be 2-a-penny in Pardew's day. I would love to know why Pardew was really sacked, but in the absence of any hard evidence, I'd probably guess at a major falling out with Cortese - with timing a key factor. When Pardew was appointed, it's probably fair to say that Cortese didn't have a scooby about running a football club, so short-term compromises would have been made to keep things running. Spin on a year later, and Cortese probably felt he had the time and experience to restructure the club for success, and Pardew wasn't on-board. While there are plenty of salacious rumours about things that might have happened or wives that may have been bonked, I suspect that it all came down to an unresolvable difference of opinions. Happens all the time in business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 If Pardew were made of chocloate he would eat himself. I am so grateful we ahve a guy like NA in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 It was clear that something wasn't right, and although I appreciate what he did for us I was often frustrated watching us under AP. He had one gameplan and one gameplan only, if it didn't work... That was that. Wish him all the best but delighted At how everything has worked out. Unfortunately you are right - kick it as hard and as high as you can towards the opposition goal and then run after it - that's the way to play football - not! Please to see back of kick and hope football when he was moved on - Wing and a prayer football.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
September Saint Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Shocked, as it came off the back of a 4-0 win. In hindsight it was a blessing in diguise IMO but glad Pards got a good job at Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 I was gutted at the time, but as others have said it worked out for the best. Would always applaud him if he returns with an opposing team though, helped build the foundations of our recent success. My thoughts too. Let's not forget, he took over a completely demoralised team that had only won 1 of it's previous 11 games at the tail end of the previous season, and got relegated, and then started the new season on -10 points. Another run of only 1 league victory in 10 games whilst he was getting his feet under the table, and only breaking through the 0 points barrier on the 11th game (nearly a quarter of a season already gone FFS) and then end up only 3 points away from 2nd place if the -10 hadn't been in place was nothing short of miraculous to be honest. Not to mention instilling the winning attitude back into a team that had gone through monumental upheavel both on and off the field and only had 2 wins over a 21 game run. Yes there were times when his lack of a decent plan B irked, and it was obvious that there was something not quite right in the Pardew / Nasty Nic relationship, but that should not be allowed to detract from the wonderful set up that Nige has inherited. I for one, salute you Mr Pardew and thank you for getting our bus through its MOT and back on the road to glory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Shocked, as it came off the back of a 4-0 win. In hindsight it was a blessing in diguise IMO but glad Pards got a good job at Newcastle. The fact that he was sacked after a 4-0 win just went to show that it wasn't a result based sacking though. Even that 4-0 win, those of us who were there know that it wasn't the greatest of performance, it was more a case of Brizzle self imploding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 My thoughts too. Let's not forget, he took over a completely demoralised team that had only won 1 of it's previous 11 games at the tail end of the previous season, and got relegated, and then started the new season on -10 points. Another run of only 1 league victory in 10 games whilst he was getting his feet under the table, and only breaking through the 0 points barrier on the 11th game (nearly a quarter of a season already gone FFS) and then end up only 3 points away from 2nd place if the -10 hadn't been in place was nothing short of miraculous to be honest. Not to mention instilling the winning attitude back into a team that had gone through monumental upheavel both on and off the field and only had 2 wins over a 21 game run. Yes there were times when his lack of a decent plan B irked, and it was obvious that there was something not quite right in the Pardew / Nasty Nic relationship, but that should not be allowed to detract from the wonderful set up that Nige has inherited. I for one, salute you Mr Pardew and thank you for getting our bus through its MOT and back on the road to glory. Good post. He did do a very good job but I got fed up very quick of his continuous "Lump it to Lambert" game. Huddersfield away, AP's 2nd game, his game plan was completely foiled and we were smashed to bits, 3 days later he went for the same plan, and we were yet again played off the park. We had posed not 1 single threat on goal by 80 minutes and were yet to see a sub. So losing 1-0, 80 minutes on the clock and not a change in plan in site, 3,000 saints proceeded to jump up and down spinning their hands and shouting "SUB, SUB, SUB, SUB, SUB!!!" - It sent alarm bells ringing for me and unfortunately it was an all to common occurrence. Fair play to him though, doing a decent enough job at Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 The fact that he was sacked after a 4-0 win just went to show that it wasn't a result based sacking though. Even that 4-0 win, those of us who were there know that it wasn't the greatest of performance, it was more a case of Brizzle self imploding. AGREED ! It was a bit of a shock at the time, but Cortese must have known what he was doing, and must have had some real concerns to have sacked AP as he did. I wonder when he decided to employ Adkins ?..but it certainly was a fantastic appointment when you consider our previous list of managerial disasters under Lowe. To move from 23rd in Sepember to 2nd place in May shows how effective Adkins is. The Bristol Rovers result was (though well-earned ) ..a bit of a fluke in timing, but we saw later that BR were L1's "cannon-fodder" last season, we just happened to be the first side to turn them over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 AGREED ! It was a bit of a shock at the time, but Cortese must have known what he was doing, and must have had some real concerns to have sacked AP as he did. I wonder when he decided to employ Adkins ?..but it certainly was a fantastic appointment when you consider our previous list of managerial disasters under Lowe. To move from 23rd in Sepember to 2nd place in May shows how effective Adkins is. The Bristol Rovers result was (though well-earned ) ..a bit of a fluke in timing, but we saw later that BR were L1's "cannon-fodder" last season, we just happened to be the first side to turn them over. You make it sound like pardew's only achievement was a 'fluke' win against bristol rovers. We finished the season before on something like eight wins out of ten plus the cup of course. And pardew built last season's promoted team, as others have said. Pardew was sacked for personal not football reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 You make it sound like pardew's only achievement was a 'fluke' win against bristol rovers. We finished the season before on something like eight wins out of ten plus the cup of course. And pardew built last season's promoted team, as others have said. Pardew was sacked for personal not football reasons. agree....however, I just dont think we would have been as good last season had pardew had stayed...but we will never know.. onwards and upwards....but for pards, I feel sorry for him up there..the min they go on a dodgy run (and it is going to happen) those lunatic fans will be hounding him out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Pardew served us well when we needed it badly, his first season saw a major rebuild of the first team and the scouting system (I understand we actually didn't have one when he arrived!). The 'but' is, (and I'm sure that Cortese recognised this!) he wanted to run the club in his own image ! His single minded approach clearly differed from that of Nicola and Markus so there was an impasse ! Nigel is a natural 'team player' and has embraced the ML/NC philosophy, this harmony has borne fruit and can be seen in performance and results ! With the great benefit of hindsight, it is difficult to argue that Nicola made anything other than a good decision !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 (edited) You make it sound like pardew's only achievement was a 'fluke' win against bristol rovers. We finished the season before on something like eight wins out of ten plus the cup of course. And pardew built last season's promoted team, as others have said. Pardew was sacked for personal not football reasons. Did I really ? Read me again. I don't think so. I agree that Pardew did a great job in the first season, especially as we started with the infamous -10 pts, and the Wembley trophy was a bit special, too. The " fluke part " was referring to the unfortunate timing of his dismissal (must have been one for the Guinness Book of Records.....Which manager got the sack after winning 4-0 away ?) Fairly obviously the "fall-out " between AP and NC was not related to the Rovers game, but more a case of his (AP) behaviour, methodology in training and that fateful long pre-season that cracked just about everyone before the season started. (Lambert wasn't properly fit until December) I can't deny that NC must have been really pi**ed by the terrible start (excl.the Rovers game by which time NC had decided that AP must go.) I don't think the entire facts have been made public - even now. As previously stated B. Rovers had the relegation look on them from the start and I don't think our 4-0 pounding was their worst defeat of the season either, but just the start. However thankfully ..it ended right side up for once and Nigel took over a budding squad and IMHO really motivated it to a high degree. Edited 29 August, 2011 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 I was surprised by the news, but not disappointed. Pardew built a good side here but I always felt we underperformed in our first season in League One. We really should have been in the promotion picture a bit more considering the amount of cash we spent. Leeds managed it with minus 15 points and zero transfer budget two seasons earlier. Will always be grateful for the JPT win. It was fantastic to see Saints play and win at Wembley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 (edited) As someone else said Pards took over a ramshackle, demoralised mob (not just the "team", but the club - remember the comment about no scouting network being in place), and fairly quickly turned it into a good (cup winning) team. I was disappointed when he went, but it did appear that the squad lacked the enthusiasm of the first season. Now though I think NC made the correct decision and I couldn't be happier that we have NA in charge. It should be remembered though that the bulk of the current team is still Pardews. Edited 29 August, 2011 by Dimond Geezer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 The parting of ways has served both parties well. Good luck to him, he did his bit in our resurrection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Concerned at the time but obviously its easy to say now it was the right decision. As a manager he was doing a very good job but as a person I couldn't stand him hand some of the stuff you hear about him. Just thought he was arrongant as well. Was very happy with Adkins appointment at the time and nothing has changed that in the slightest fantastic work from the guy, long may it continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 some of his post match interviews were just plain fuking rude to be fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Well as most have said its all worked out for the best now, i really hope AP carrys on doing well at NUFC, he has lost his best players not been able to replace them but still making NUFC look a half decent team with poor prem strikers in shola and best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 A great manager and one I will applaud and wish the best if we meet him in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 A great manager and one I will applaud and wish the best if we meet him in future. great manager....probably not....mancini, fergie etc are great managers...he is good and will do well to be at newcastle this time next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 some of his post match interviews were just plain fuking rude to be fair Actually I prefered that, when AP was ****ed you knew it. Nigel just gives a load of awful cliches and manges to say a lot without ever saying anything. Occasional last season after a crappy performance I wanted Nigel to be ****ed but I don't think Nigel does ****ed HTBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Actually I prefered that, when AP was ****ed you knew it. Nigel just gives a load of awful cliches and manges to say a lot without ever saying anything. Occasional last season after a crappy performance I wanted Nigel to be ****ed but I don't think Nigel does ****ed HTBH. but he was like that after wins...just giving yes/no answers and being rude as fuk to someone doing his job was very unprofessional... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 (edited) Pardew, great manager in my opinion, I watched the Reading team that he built and then Coppell took to the next level. Treated badly by Saints ultimately but life can be unfair and job security in football is none existent for most managers. Has he bounced back? Yes he has....Lets face it most of the current team is Pardew's....this will change in time though. Enjoyed watching Pardew change personnel on the pitch, sorting out problems one after the other for Saints too. He has a great eye for a player....I suspect a better one than Adkins I would also applaud the man should we play a team he manages, I think he deserves that from Saints fans. Edited 29 August, 2011 by Seaford Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 both of his great success required others to finish it off... good manager..nothing special, just another old school english manager... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 both of his great success required others to finish it off... good manager..nothing special, just another old school english manager... I think old school sums him up. Isn't interested in embracing the modern techniques of coaching or sports science, just want to do it their own way - same as redkrapp. Whereas Adkins fits us perfectly in that sense, he's very open and supportive of all the modern technologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 both of his great success required others to finish it off... good manager..nothing special, just another old school english manager... Are you saying he could not have finished off the job he started. He walked out on Reading to manage a Premier team, I think. He was not given the chance at Saints. So I am not sure why you would say that he needed some one to finish off and achieve what he set out to but didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Are you saying he could not have finished off the job he started. He walked out on Reading to manage a Premier team, I think. He was not given the chance at Saints. So I am not sure why you would say that he needed some one to finish off and achieve what he set out to but didn't. i just dont think he was as great as some make out..like i said, he would have done well to be newcastle boss in 12 months.. we played effective football under him....and we won many games...I also feel that we were waaay too slow starting that season.. leeds managed the playoffs, with far less money, denis wise as manager and on -15......I was disappointed we never made the playoffs...however, JPT final was good going as an alternative... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Pardew put in the foundations of what we have now so for that alone he deserves our respect and thanks, Whatever caused the fall out between him and NC we will probably never know but football wise he did a good job for Saints. Good Luck with Newcastle Pards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 great manager....probably not....mancini, fergie etc are great managers...he is good and will do well to be at newcastle this time next year Was great for saints and I wish him success with his future endeavours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 both of his great success required others to finish it off... good manager..nothing special, just another old school english manager... Disagree with you there and about him being rude. I really liked his interviews which I found enlightening and of more interest than Adkin's ones which don't really say anything. I don't think he was 'just another old school manager' as you suggest. He has proven himself capable in the premiership. It doesn't really matter but he should get the credit for his part in our revival and also that many of the squad were brought in by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Was great for saints and I wish him success with his future endeavours. Great? Overused word. He did well for us. Bought proven league one players he knew would do well. Lost his fair share or matches, drew a fair share too. He won us a trophy and got us close to the playoffs. He would have been great - IMO - if he got us to the playoffs. He didn't, then had a mare of a pre-season followed by 1 point from home in the season's opening matches. If he was "great", he wouldn't have been sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Great? Overused word. He did well for us. Bought proven league one players he knew would do well. Lost his fair share or matches, drew a fair share too. He won us a trophy and got us close to the playoffs. He would have been great - IMO - if he got us to the playoffs. He didn't, then had a mare of a pre-season followed by 1 point from home in the season's opening matches. If he was "great", he wouldn't have been sacked. The general consensus was that he wasn't sacked because of results but because of a falling out with NC. I think he did a great job and is a big reason why we are where we are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Have to be honest and say I wasn't overly enamoured with the timing, but thought Pardew had to go as things just weren't right behind the scenes. Remember when Fitzhugh Fella first posted that things weren't good behind the scenes and Pardews days were numbered before that season even started and thought in which case let's get rid, because it's not going to work if CEO and manager are at each others throats. Duncan certainly took some flak for that bit of info and can remember the usual bedwetters having a hissy fit, but it was pretty obvious that things weren't au fait behind the scenes and something had to give and it wasn't going to be Cortese! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Have to be honest and say I wasn't overly enamoured with the timing, but thought Pardew had to go as things just weren't right behind the scenes. Remember when Fitzhugh Fella first posted that things weren't good behind the scenes and Pardews days were numbered before that season even started and thought in which case let's get rid, because it's not going to work if CEO and manager are at each others throats. Duncan certainly took some flak for that bit of info and can remember the usual bedwetters having a hissy fit, but it was pretty obvious that things weren't au fait behind the scenes and something had to give and it wasn't going to be Cortese! Yep. Duncan said to me before the summer that Pardew was on borrowed time and that he would be very surprised if he survived the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 He did well for us but to describe him as having been "great" is ott. He played a dull brand of football and tactically was one dimensional. His dismissal was a surprise but has benefited both he and the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 The general consensus was that he wasn't sacked because of results but because of a falling out with NC. Rewind a couple of years and people were being slaughtered for suggesting Pardew and Cortese had fallen out!!!! They were right though!!! I think he did a great job and is a big reason why we are where we are now. I wouldn't say great, but decent enough considering what he inherited. There's no doubt that some of the foundations that we are successfully building on were laid down by Pardew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 I would have Nigel over Pardew any day of the week. Pardew bought well, but our football wasn't very good to watch and he was a bit of a c*nt really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfclegend Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 when compare the pre seasons.....never in doubt.. good luck to pards, had a good start at newcastle..will be amazed if he starts next season as manager with 5 years left on his contract I very much doubt he would leave before next season.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 August, 2011 Share Posted 30 August, 2011 I think old school sums him up. Isn't interested in embracing the modern techniques of coaching or sports science, just want to do it their own way - same as redkrapp. Whereas Adkins fits us perfectly in that sense, he's very open and supportive of all the modern technologies. I think that sums up pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 August, 2011 Share Posted 30 August, 2011 both of his great success required others to finish it off... good manager..nothing special, just another old school english manager... West ham promoted and then taken to eighth and an fa cup final did not require anyone to finish it off and is a far greater achievement than many managers have achieved. Adkins has done nothing even remotely comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 August, 2011 Share Posted 30 August, 2011 Tomorrow is the anniversary of the Pardew sacking after our 0-4 drubbing of Bristol Rovers. I was gutted at the time but, as it happens, what a great decision :-) Anyone disagree? Yes I would imagine Pardew thinks it was a great decision:lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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