Sevvy Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 First game for arsenal and they get stuffed 8-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 it was only 3-1 when he come on. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 good luck to the lad im sure he is enjoying life regardless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Did he have a kick? Arsenal were so bad it was embarassing. Half of the team weren't interested. Merson is upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 for his first ten minutes his teammates did not want to pass to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Never mind Merson, I am upset. I know these are highly paid lads, but you should never chuck in kids when you're being thumped. That is poor management of any type - football, business, etc. He even brought senior players off to 'protect them'. What??! I have always been a fan of Wenger, but he has to go now. He's now just trying to prove points and not manage a football club. Mind you, why the feck would you go there and not Old Trafford given a choice.. "Eh Lad, come with me and let's have a loook around urgh trophy room eh? Did you see the cabinet at Arsenal..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Lets all pretend he has made a terrible decision... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Apparently Ramsey was the only one who put in any effort whatsoever. Wenger needed to strengthened before he sold Fabregas and Nasria and now half the players don't want to be there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Hope he gets on well with his new manager... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Lets all pretend he has made a terrible decision... You don't think we're going to pass them on thr way up/down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 A couple of little touches, albeit by dropping deep into his own half. Tried to take Evra on and soundly lost. Hit a nice cross-field ball tho. Says alot that he's get thrown on a game in which they have a rat's ar $e of winning and now won't feature again until the next time the outcome's meaningless. Some education, kid; some mentor, wenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertySFC Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Fans forum livid at £12m spent on more youth - won't do his confidence much good thats for sure - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Fans forum livid at £12m spent on more youth - won't do his confidence much good thats for sure - People have long talked about Wenger/Arsenal being a good place for youth to go. Why? Doesn't Fergie actually do a better job by miles? Is Ramsay improving? Has Walcott got any better than when he played for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 People have long talked about Wenger/Arsenal being a good place for youth to go. Why? Doesn't Fergie actually do a better job by miles? Is Ramsay improving? Has Walcott got any better than when he played for us? Merson makes a good point on Sky. It's a myth about Arsenals young team, the average age of the sides was the same. Worlds apart in terms of atitude and ability though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Is Ramsay improving? Has Walcott got any better than when he played for us? yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMPR Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Chamberlain looked like a lost lamb on that pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 yes I'm pretty sure he hasn't developed any more than he would of at any other prem club. Complete myth that Arsenal are good with youth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 (edited) I'm pretty sure he hasn't developed any more than he would of at any other prem club. Complete myth that Arsenal are good with youth. but that was not the question....he is better now than when he was with us...he did himeself no harm going to arsenal rather than get relegated to league 1 with us arsenal are clearly good with young kids.....clearly ffs, fabregas, ramsey, nasri, van persie, clichy, ashley cole, anelka, viera, henry (to a degree) I would say only man u have done better....and that is hardly a disgrace Edited 28 August, 2011 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 I'm pretty sure he hasn't developed any more than he would of at any other prem club. Complete myth that Arsenal are good with youth. Exactly- its not just whether the player would have improved; but whether he would have improved more at another club. Arsenal's reputation for developing youngsters is overrated. It used to be good; but has declined in recent years as they have suffered from trophy drought. Not as bad as Chelsea; but not as good as Man U and the likes of Liverpool, Villa, Everton etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Exactly- its not just whether the player would have improved; but whether he would have improved more at another club. Arsenal's reputation for developing youngsters is overrated. Not as bad as Chelsea; but not as good as Man U and the likes of Liverpool, Villa, Everton etc. apart from gerrard and carragher, how many players have liverpool brought through that are world class.???? everton have had rooney...that is about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Should be fun watching them get a stuffing on MOTD tonight. Chambo should have gone to Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City or Man Utd, instead he's going to win naff all playing Wenger's tappy tappy b*ll*x. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Never mind Merson, I am upset. I know these are highly paid lads, but you should never chuck in kids when you're being thumped. That is poor management of any type - football, business, etc. He even brought senior players off to 'protect them'. What??! I have always been a fan of Wenger, but he has to go now. He's now just trying to prove points and not manage a football club. Mind you, why the feck would you go there and not Old Trafford given a choice.. "Eh Lad, come with me and let's have a loook around urgh trophy room eh? Did you see the cabinet at Arsenal..." Maybe it's the support staff that identify the players and negotiate with other clubs (Law and Rowley) that are at fault and not the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 apart from gerrard and carragher, how many players have liverpool brought through that are world class.???? everton have had rooney...that is about it Spearing, Risse, Fowler, Owen, McManaman etc. And we're talking about developing players from scratch - not buying them at huge prices or a certain level of ability as Arsenal have done. Whatever Fabregas, Nasri, Henry, Viera have achieved cannot be attributed to Arsenal alone. Nasri, Henry, Vierra, Ramsey and Van Persie had already played internationally before they fully broke into the Arsenal side. Arsenal have a good record; but their recent record isn't as good, coinciding with their lack of trophies and success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Spearing, Risse, Fowler, Owen, McManaman etc. And we're talking about developing players from scratch - not buying them at huge prices or a certain level of ability as Arsenal have done. Whatever Fabregas, Nasri, Henry, Viera have achieved cannot be attributed to Arsenal alone. Nasri, Henry, Vierra, Ramsey and Van Persie had already played internationally before they fully broke into the Arsenal side. Arsenal have a good record; but their recent record isn't as good, coinciding with their lack of trophies and success. spearing...oh yeah, that great player who is no where near starting a league game now... no matter what you say, arsenal have been excellent at bringing on young players and turning them into world stars...more so than most in recent years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 spearing...oh yeah, that great player who is no where near starting a league game now... no matter what you say, arsenal have been excellent at bringing on young players and turning them into world stars...more so than most in recent years I'm with you to a point -I'm not saying they're a bad club; but when I think of a youth policy, I think of rough diamonds, players nurtured from the cradle like Wilshere not players who had already cut it and would have probably thrived at most clubs. It didn't do Bale any harm going to Spurs, for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 I'm with you to a point -I'm not saying they're a bad club; but when I think of a youth policy, I think of rough diamonds, players nurtured from the cradle like Wilshere not players who had already cut it and would have probably thrived at most clubs. It didn't do Bale any harm going to Spurs. no one is saying that bale chose the wrong option..but to suggest theo would have been better off here is laughable.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Difficult to play in what is currently a struggling team. I have never forgotten my first dicking and that was just in front of friends and family not millions of viewers. I am sure he will never forget it. Character building - ****** it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Nobody wanted to pass to him, can't exactly be a confidence booster for Oxo. Arsenal will have a great time in 5 or 6 years time, but for now they need big-money signings across the pitch so that they don't get relegated this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 no one is saying that bale chose the wrong option..but to suggest theo would have been better off here is laughable.... Absolutely. There are limits to how far we can take players (Adam is a good example), though I don't think it would have done the likes of theo any harm to have stuck around another season or two. That would have taken him to 18, 19 - that's ridiculously young? I don't think you learn more by warming the bench or hoping the magic of training with world-class players will rub off on you than by playing competitive matches. And that's what will happen to Oxo. Cleverley was playing championship football with Leicester and Watford when he was 20; the same is true of much of the England U-21s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Difficult to play in what is currently a struggling team. I have never forgotten my first dicking and that was just in front of friends and family not millions of viewers. I am sure he will never forget it. Character building - ****** it is. We are still tallking about football here aren't we, and not what went on in the dorms at boarding school? Talking of which The Mancs really have ripped North London a new one today haven't they .. 13 - 3 aggregate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 People have long talked about Wenger/Arsenal being a good place for youth to go. Why? Doesn't Fergie actually do a better job by miles? Is Ramsay improving? Has Walcott got any better than when he played for us? They both should have gone to MU as they know how to use pacy wide players. Wenger likes pace but he wants them to be part of a passing team working it's way up the pitch by slick passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 It was a shocking decision to throw Oxo into a match in which they were clearly being outplayed. Wenger is a complete and utter Arse (how appropriate, one might say). I did enjoy watching the game though, and felt sorry for Theo (and Alex), but laughed heartily at the French hypocrite!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 The real shame is that Saints are still missing Chamberlain. When he came back at the end of the season against Walsall after 6 weeks out he made an immediate impact and scored. Guly has taken Chamberlain's place in the team but neither he nor de Ridder have the same impact. If the £12m had been spent to strengthen elsewhere it might look different but as things are we'd have been better off if he'd stayed. So would Alex, from a football perspective, but I expect he and his Dad are enjoying spending the money. In the end that's what it was all about so you can't help a small feeling of satisfaction at him being on the pitch for 25 minutes while the opposition score 5 goals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 I have never forgotten my first dicking and that was just in front of friends and family In front of family? Thought that was only a Pompey hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Oxo made his bed, now let him lie in it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dearne Valley Saint Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Hope is Dad is happy now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Well at least he is earning 18k a week now with a 2k bonus for playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 I felt kind of sorry for him today, he looked like a little boy who had lost his mummy I think he would have been better off spending another season under the guidance of Nigel Adkins I'm not saying that with my Saints hat on, I actually believe it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Chamberlain looked like a lost lamb on that pitch LITTLE BOY LOST more like!! He looked like a spare one at a spare one's convention!!! Hope his dads happy. One league to far at this stage IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 He can write his own autobiography now though - so much to talk about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 no one is saying that bale chose the wrong option..but to suggest theo would have been better off here is laughable.... I am not saying he would be better off here (althought another year would have done him good imo) I just think he would have done just as well, or more likely better at Man U, Liverpool, Spurs, Villa etc. I really do think AOC has left far too early. He's only had half a season in the 3rd divison. Playing weekly in the NPC in a winning side would have done him the world of good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 (edited) I am not saying he would be better off here (althought another year would have done him good imo) I just think he would have done just as well, or more likely better at Man U, Liverpool, Spurs, Villa etc. I really do think AOC has left far too early. He's only had half a season in the 3rd divison. Playing weekly in the NPC in a winning side would have done him the world of good! villa....VILLA...come on ffs why are people been making out arsenal are gash...yes this season so far..after 3 games but the last few years, they have been right up there at the top of the league and always into the knockout stages of the champions league...and in cup finals.. theo has done well...but suggesting VILLA hahahahahahaha oh and I believe arsenal have been consistantly better than liverpool in the last few years too..... Edited 28 August, 2011 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 should have stayed with us, we only lost 2-1 against Utd. In fact I don't doubt that our current side is better than the one the Arse put out today. Jenkinson FFS, they must be desperate, Vermaalen got another sick note for the season then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 should have stayed with us, we only lost 2-1 against Utd. In fact I don't doubt that our current side is better than the one the Arse put out today. Jenkinson FFS, they must be desperate, Vermaalen got another sick note for the season then? please.. why do we have so many people talking utter shyt today on this subject... ffs these players would start for us... schezney koschielny traore ramsey rocisky arshavin walcott VAN PERSIE ffs, please stop it..haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 (edited) please.. why do we have so many people talking utter shyt today on this subject... ffs these players would start for us... schezney koschielny traore ramsey rocisky arshavin walcott VAN PERSIE ffs, please stop it..haha a team is only as good as it's weakest player, the fact that they got caned should show that to anyone. A CB from Charlton who were p*ss poor for a long while towards the en of last season has no place in an Arsenal side.Crazy crazy decision by Wenger, Traore is rubbish as well.Arse have sld the crown jewels and replaced them with rubbish, furthermore Song, Gervinho and Sagna were missing as well, perhaps they're up for sale as well? Edited 28 August, 2011 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 a team is only as good as it's weakest player, the fact that they got caned should show that to anyone. A CB from Charlton who were p*ss poor for a long while towards the en of last season has no place in an Arsenal side.Crazy crazy ecision by Wenger, Traore is rubbish as well. what a crock of crap...are we only as good as seaborne..? really..? is that how good NPC is, when the team in 2nd is as good as seaborne..? jenkinson was brought in for the future, to develop (pretty much the arsenal way rightly or wrongly) yet they have 8 first team players out...imgine if we had 8 starters out.....both butters and richardson, no fonte, no lallana, no cork, no morgan...we would be fuked..we would have a team something like the one we had last time we were in the NPC...look at the state of what happened there.. so many bitter bitter people posting here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Spearing, Risse, Fowler, Owen, McManaman etc. And we're talking about developing players from scratch - not buying them at huge prices or a certain level of ability as Arsenal have done. Whatever Fabregas, Nasri, Henry, Viera have achieved cannot be attributed to Arsenal alone. Nasri, Henry, Vierra, Ramsey and Van Persie had already played internationally before they fully broke into the Arsenal side. Arsenal have a good record; but their recent record isn't as good, coinciding with their lack of trophies and success. Of the names you quote only Owen could be regarded as world class. Not even Gerrard is world class if his international performances are anything to go by. Who have they brought through recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 what a crock of crap...are we only as good as seaborne..? really..? is that how good NPC is, when the team in 2nd is as good as seaborne..? jenkinson was brought in for the future, to develop (pretty much the arsenal way rightly or wrongly) yet they have 8 first team players out...imgine if we had 8 starters out.....both butters and richardson, no fonte, no lallana, no cork, no morgan...we would be fuked..we would have a team something like the one we had last time we were in the NPC...look at the state of what happened there.. so many bitter bitter people posting here... not a case of being bitter DD, Arsenal's side today was a joke, any decent CCC side could have taken them on and given them a good hiding, which is what I said. I guess qualification for the CL group stages has taken a front seat at the Emirates once again,as long as they make 4th place this season they'll be happy I guess. They've sold players for over 70million this summer so obviously they're weakened and the injuries and suspensions just finish the job off. They just cannot attract top top talent because they will not pay top dollar on salaries or transfer fees.Just signed a Korean from Monaco but he'll be out of his depth in the EPL. Ones for the future are great but so many of them don't make the grade at Arsenal or if they do they want to play for Citeh or Barcelona.Wenger is finished and the best thing that could happen for the Arse is for him to jack it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 not a case of being bitter DD, Arsenal's side today was a joke, any decent CCC side could have taken them on and given them a good hiding, which is what I said. I guess qualification for the CL group stages has taken a front seat at the Emirates once again,as long as they make 4th place this season they'll be happy I guess. They've sold players for over 70million this summer so obviously they're weakened and the injuries and suspensions just finish the job off. They just cannot attract top top talent because they will not pay top dollar on salaries or transfer fees.Just signed a Korean from Monaco but he'll be out of his depth in the EPL. Ones for the future are great but so many of them don't make the grade at Arsenal or if they do they want to play for Citeh or Barcelona.Wenger is finished and the best thing that could happen for the Arse is for him to jack it in. what should they do....do a "pompey"...? go into £200m debt to win a piece of metal...? they (and harldy anyone in the WORLD) can compete with man city...and chelsea.....man u are but are near on £750m in debt...that is it.... what can they do..? sure, not sign OxO..but will signing gary cahill win them the league..? absolutely NOT....so for them 4th is NOW success... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 please.. why do we have so many people talking utter shyt today on this ffs, please stop it..haha Stop being so negative Jamie. It is a fact the Chamberlain wouldn't get in our side at the moment. The team that lost to Leicester yesterday is better than the Arsenal team that has just qualified for the knockout stages on the champions league for the 14th year in a row. Anyone that says otherwise knows nothing about football and is not a loyal Saints fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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