VectisSaint Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 You are a prize pr*ck. F*ck off. Great response, trouble is Alpine is not a million miles from the truth. I don't often agree with him, but to just be insulting for the sake of it when he makes some valid points just reflects on you, rather than him. I personally don't think we have a problem at LB, in fact our problem there is more of an embarrassment of riches, dropping Harding would be harsh, but Fox does look good (and then there is Dickson). Frazer's problem is inconsistency, rather than lack of ability. We still have Butterfield as an alternative, and as was seen yesterday Cork can drop into RB to allow Spiderman to play alongside Hammond if needed. It will be interesting to see how we get on if at some time someone does take Lallana out, because sure as eggs is eggs someone will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Problem is, even I could instruct an NPC team how to play against us. 1. Get in Lallanas face, close him down, even kick him. 2. Long balls down the flanks and out-pace the RB and LB and get crosses in. Everyone is going on about we only need a CB (not yet addressed). Maybe we need to look at RB too. We surely have enough options at LB now. It won't be long until Fox is the first choice Left Back imo, going by what I've seen so far he seems very quick so will take some beating when it comes to pace. Also think you're being unfair on Frazer, he wasn't great Yesterday but had it not been for him we would have drawn the Millwall and Barnsley games (clearances off the line), he also put in a good performance against one of the best wingers in the League (Gradel). Unsure how he did at Ipswich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 I agree with this. We have all known we need a centre back all summer, clearly so does Nige as he's tried to sign three which have all f*cked up for some reason. It's clear that neither of our RB's are up to it at this level. On the left Fox looked good and is obviously the prefered choice there long term. The problem is, you feel Nige is waiting for Harding to have a bad game so he can drop him which might be costly. if he is his prefered choice, which he must be to have spent almost £2m on him, then just stick him in now. Really? Butterfield has played loads of games at this level every time I've seen him play he has been better than Richardson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Great response, trouble is Alpine is not a million miles from the truth. I don't often agree with him, but to just be insulting for the sake of it when he makes some valid points just reflects on you, rather than him. I personally don't think we have a problem at LB, in fact our problem there is more of an embarrassment of riches, dropping Harding would be harsh, but Fox does look good (and then there is Dickson). Frazer's problem is inconsistency, rather than lack of ability. We still have Butterfield as an alternative, and as was seen yesterday Cork can drop into RB to allow Spiderman to play alongside Hammond if needed. It will be interesting to see how we get on if at some time someone does take Lallana out, because sure as eggs is eggs someone will. I am less then bothered how it makes me look. That boring f*cker has been waiting for us to lose so that he can start moaning. He is a prize pr*ck, as are the rest of the moaners after 1 defeat. Spoilt brats. This is Saints, not Barcelona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Problem is, even I could instruct an NPC team how to play against us. 1. Get in Lallanas face, close him down, even kick him. not sure what game you were watching, but Leicester failed completely to cope with Lallana. He took the **** and but for some great saves we would have won at a canter. If you are saying Leicester had a plan and it worked then I'd have to disagree. They won, yes, but we murdered them second half and the idea that they knew how to play us is way off the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Really? Butterfield has played loads of games at this level every time I've seen him play he has been better than Richardson. This 100% correct but Butterfield better defender in my opinion. Richardson is most definately not up to our level - never seen him reach a level in any game that is acceptable plus his distibution is woeful.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 This 100% correct but Butterfield better defender in my opinion. Richardson is most definately not up to our level - never seen him reach a level in any game that is acceptable plus his distibution is woeful.......... Bit harsh. He had a very good game at Barnsley and against Leeds. Butterfield may be a better defender (I'm not totally convinced by this - for starters he's no where near as good in the air) and he played very well, but he is far too slow. One or two wingers just jogged past him last season. The wingers are much much better this season. And faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 On the left Fox looked good and is obviously the prefered choice there long term. The problem is, you feel Nige is waiting for Harding to have a bad game so he can drop him which might be costly. if he is his prefered choice, which he must be to have spent almost £2m on him, then just stick him in now.agree Fox will probably come in sooner rather than later, but Adkins has a lot more faith in Harding than you do, hence the extended contract. Tough to drop him, but you have to play your best players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 agree Fox will probably come in sooner rather than later, but Adkins has a lot more faith in Harding than you do, hence the extended contract. Tough to drop him, but you have to play your best players. how do you know that was adkins doing...? rather assuming there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 how do you know that was adkins doing...? rather assuming there I'm intrigued. What are you saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 I'm intrigued. What are you saying? many contracts are very complicated..just look at butters..it had an "option" for the club to extend for 12 months if they wish...these options (and there are god knows how many) may have been triggered BY harding in this case who knows..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Harding got an extension on merit and rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 many contracts are very complicated..just look at butters..it had an "option" for the club to extend for 12 months if they wish...these options (and there are god knows how many) may have been triggered BY harding in this case who knows.....I see what you mean, but he got a new 12 month contract in the summer automatically in the same way Butters did, but then separately he signed an extension to this contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knellster Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Went to the game with a Man Utd season ticket holder who was very impressed with Saints apart from the first 10 minutes or so. Their third goal was clearly a foul and changed the whole course of the game, but with a bit of luck we'd have salvaged at least a point anyway. I can't remember being so optimistic after a defeat. He was also impressed with the Saints fans who made a lot of noise, clearly recognised a good performance and didn't give the players grief just 'cos we lost. The other thing I noticed was when Leicester were awarded a free kick for offside their defender tried to catch Kelvin off his line from the half way line even though it was an indirect free kick. Kelvin then tried to save it and risk gifting them a goal. Is it really too much to ask that players earning thousands of pounds a week learn the laws of the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 agree Fox will probably come in sooner rather than later, but Adkins has a lot more faith in Harding than you do, hence the extended contract. Tough to drop him, but you have to play your best players. Not so much that he spent near on £2m in a position we already had 3 players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Really? Butterfield has played loads of games at this level every time I've seen him play he has been better than Richardson. I think Butterfield is better, but I dont think either are the answer, certainly not long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Not so much that he spent near on £2m in a position we already had 3 players. he clearly doesn't rate Dickson that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 he clearly doesn't rate Dickson that's for sure. but then who does??? kept telling you all that the bloke is an utter waste of space because he seems to go into to daydream mode most of the time but no-one was having any of it. Dickson, Seaborne, Richardson, 3 players who will not make the grade this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Very concerned about the comments about Richardson on here, especially considering what I saw last week against Millwall, where he was skinned and outpaced by the attacking player every time. Tad hysterical but that's hardly surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Chez Alpine does not watch games only listens to the radio Im not suprised with Alpines outbursts after all we have lost. I just hope saints go undeafeted for another 12 or thirteen games. that way he will remain quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Richardson will get skinned by pacey players like Bouazza but having eff all covering back from Guly hasn't helped Tank at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Richardson will get skinned by pacey players like Bouazza but having eff all covering back from Guly hasn't helped Tank at all... finally, a sensible post! He is often left 2 on 1 as Guly just wonders around looking uninterested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 (edited) but then who does??? actually I do, and some excellent displays last season is the reason for that, but then again I often get suckered into liking players with endeavour, terrific engines and that give everything in games. Boy do we need Puncheon to stay. There is so much hostility to Dickson, Seaborne, Harding and Richardson now we have n Pulis to moan about. Edited 29 August, 2011 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 finally, a sensible post! He is often left 2 on 1 as Guly just wonders around looking uninterested uninterested or just out of position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Interesting post by a Leiceter fan on the Guardian's football league blog: Went to Leicester v Southampton today, a classic game of two halves if ever I saw one. First half Leicester were on top, with Davis making a string of excellent saves to keep Southampton in it. Even so, Saints still looked bright in attack and a 2 goal lead flattered the hosts. Second half, Sven dropped a tactical clanger, reverting to 4-5-1 despite the success of a narrow diamond in the first half, inviting Southampton on. Saints fans must have come away wondering how on earth they didn't get at least a point. And a special mention for Adam Lallana, who put in the best performance by an opposing player I have seen at the Walkers/KP since we moved. A star in the making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 but then who does??? kept telling you all that the bloke is an utter waste of space because he seems to go into to daydream mode most of the time but no-one was having any of it. Dickson, Seaborne, Richardson, 3 players who will not make the grade this season. Just my opinion, but I don't think Dickson has had enough of a run in the team to show what he can do either way so far. Does seem like Adkins doesn't rate him at all though. Will be interesting to see if he gets a start tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Interesting post by a Leiceter fan on the Guardian's football league blog: Think we've got to be a bit careful with some of the hype here - we were well out-played in the first half and very wasteful in the last third in the 2nd half, which resulted in us ultimately losing the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Think we've got to be a bit careful with some of the hype here - we were well out-played in the first half and very wasteful in the last third in the 2nd half, which resulted in us ultimately losing the game. Im not one to hype our performances but our 2nd half was better than their 1st half as the overall stats demonstrate. I think after a shambolic opening 20 mins, we actually recovered OK in the first half and our goal was coming (would like to have seen Cork's chance again - was he actually put clean through?) We struggled from setpieces and yes we were wasteful and our Connolly and Lambert weren't firing; but I've seen us play much, much worse and get something. Ultimately, we got f**k all out of the game and the performance/result underlined the case for reinforcements in certain areas (as did previous games). Does it mean we're going to go on another unbeaten run - probably not; might we fall away -maybe. But there are more positives than negatives to take out of the game and there's no reason why we shouldn't head into the Forest game with plenty of confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Im not one to hype our performances but our 2nd half was better than their 1st half as the overall stats demonstrate. I think after a shambolic opening 20 mins, we actually recovered OK in the first half and our goal was coming (would like to have seen Cork's chance again - was he actually put clean through?) We struggled from setpieces and yes we were wasteful and our Connolly and Lambert weren't firing; but I've seen us play much, much worse and get something. Ultimately, we got f**k all out of the game and the performance/result underlined the case for reinforcements in certain areas (as did previous games). Does it mean we're going to go on another unbeaten run - probably not; might we fall away -maybe. But there are more positives than negatives to take out of the game and there's no reason why we shouldn't head into the Forest game with plenty of confidence. Yeah, I agree with all that. Just suggesting a bit of perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Yeah, I agree with all that. Just suggesting a bit of perspective. I guess those of us there to see it saw both our frailties and our strengths exposed for all to see but bar the 1st 20mins I really thought he played well and dealt with them. I said to me nipper that as long as we didn't concede again we'd get at least a point as we had played ourselves back into it and they were on the back foot IMHO. We will play a lot worse this season and win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Any suicides reported over the weekend? Is there still "Only one Nigel Adkins"? Let's hope the lads can brush this aside and get on with the winning process. Not good reading to have the Gay Town Boys above us and bragging once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 I said to me nipper that as long as we didn't concede we'd get at least a point Guess no of us thought of that... LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 30 August, 2011 Share Posted 30 August, 2011 One footnote to the Leicester game, which may have been mentioned before, but did anyone notice how far away the bloody referee was for their third? - watch it again. No way he could have seen the foul on Lambert. I know Adkins is not one for whinging (which I like), but thought he might have mentioned that. Awful piece of refereeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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