georgeweahscousin Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Who is Saints true number one? http://wp.me/p1mFFL-9p
AussieDog Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Shilton without a doubt.....probably Flowers 2nd, but I'd put John Burridge and maybe even Grobelaar in the mix with the other 2
saintchris23 Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Didn't see Shilton play so can't comment on him but I'd have taken Niemi over Flowers. I don't know how Super Kelv can even be mentioned in the same list to be honest!
dubai_phil Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Shilts - stayed half or possibly one season too long. Ended up with the moaners having a go at him (as they always do) but he was the best England Keeper and he still had it when we signed him. Niemi - reliable, dependable if that ball had gone in at Fulham instead of hitting the bar would probably have beaten Shilts, and was guilty of having the thousand yard stare along with Claus in that game at Nottarf Krap Flowers - great keeper but had wobbly flappy days especially early on in his career Kelvin - can't fault him, plays to the absolute best of his ability every week, will hopefully become a Mr Southampton in the Franny mould (ie not the greatest but gave his all) So yep, Shilts
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Definitely Shilton 1st, no question. Only 'best keeper in the World' we've ever had! Niemi clear 2nd.
DT Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Shilton. Davis really shouldn't be mentioned in this company.
georgeweahscousin Posted 27 August, 2011 Author Posted 27 August, 2011 Davis was included to keep it current to be honest, and did get a few votes!
Norm Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Shilts by a mile! Best keeper we had with the exception of Dave MacLaren! OK, I jest!
Give it to Ron Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Shilts by a mile! Best keeper we had with the exception of Dave MacLaren! OK, I jest! Norm You swine...thats me back in rehab! Shilts for me but a special mention to Eric Martin who I also thought was very underrated.
MarkSFC Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 what about Peter Wells or Terry Genoe?! Seriously though Shilton by a mile and he also played a couple of seasons behind some of our weakest defence. Kept us in the top flight on a few occasions
Junction 9 Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Niemi without a doubt. I would add Dave Beasant to this argument as well.
Pompeyh8r Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 We are lucky to have produced such quality keepers to make such a choice. Only saw Shilts a couple of times, I know he was world class and couldnt fault him, however for me its Niemi just ahead purely cause I saw him play more and can make a fairer judgement on what I seen, and also the fact I was at the Arsenal game 3-2 where he made the fantastic triple save, he had no right to save the last shot at all, and to see the smug Arsenal fans faces afterwards was pure class.
Mustapha Fag Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 the answer depends on the age of the person answering but for us people of a certain age Shilton was way above all others, with Niemi then being comfortabley in front of he rest
red&white56 Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Davis was included to keep it current to be honest, and did get a few votes! Georgie's cousin, who got 11% and who 7% of the vote - I couldn't figure it out on your blog?
VectisSaint Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 the answer depends on the age of the person answering but for us people of a certain age Shilton was way above all others, with Niemi then being comfortabley in front of he rest It doesn't really, Shilton is generally ackowledged to be one of the best keepers in the world of all time (along with Yashin, Banks, Schmeikel etc), Niemi may have been great for us but there is no way he was in the same class as the others.
Badger Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Over an entire career, you'd have to choose Shilton. For their time with Saints its a far closer thing. In 40 years of following Saints I've never felt more more confident of a Saints gk than with Niemi there so he gets my vote.(with the exception of course of his abortion of a season 2004/5 with a 'comedy' defence in front of him).
Thedelldays Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Shilton Niemi everyone else a distant whatever
Miltonaggro Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Shilton by a country mile, as Brian Clough said worth an extra ten points over the course of a season. Won the vast majority of his England caps whilst at Saints and made the 18 yard box at the Dell seem like a postage stamp for visiting sides...
SO5 4BW Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 There can't be many clubs who've had so many quality keepers over the years. I struggle to remember a really bad one. Katalinic was a disappointment for some of the time he was here, particularly as the rest of that team was brilliant. Shilton was head and shoulders the best though - and I'm not sure he was that far past his best when he was with us either. I could have played centre-half in front of him - as he told you what to do! Niemi the next best. Flowers got an England cap while with us and was quality for a couple of seasons. Others - Beasant, Grobellaar, Paul Jones, Terry Gennoe for a while. Burridge was the most entertaining - I can still see him charging from his goal to poleaxe Nigel Clough on a bog of a Dell pitch, waving at the ref to acknowledge the booking and organising the wall! That would have been a three-game ban easily nowadays. Eric Martin was the most underrated. Davis deserves to be in the discussion - he's been a rock for us during some of the worst times the club has had
Badger Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 .. Eric Martin was the most underrated. "Eric for Scotland...." a frequent chant.Genuine belief at the time was that he had moved too far south for the SFA to remember him. One name you forgot, Gerry Gurr. Good prospect, England U21, before injury.
Luffers Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Can't believe nobody has mentioned Dexter Blackstock for his performance against Newcastle in the cup. Best goalkeeper we have ever had in my opinion...
Wurzel Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 The order of the post title would be the order I'd put them in - although there's several I can think of would be ahead of Davis
Huntingdon Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 I think the memories of Niemi are tainted by his appalling display at Fratton, then to actually join them at the end of his career. Davis has been loyal and consistent over the past 3 seasons, but never played for us in the top flight, so he's a NO Flowers was a good goalkeeper, but lacked confidence sometimes with our back 4, he looked much more assured at Blackburn I heard some great stories of Peter Shilton's love of betting shops. I think we kept him 1 season too long, he was starting to lose his legs. I have sad memories of Shilton, seeing him in the 1990 World Cup when he was so old he couldn't lift his feet off the ground anymore - 10 years earlier he would have saved Brehme's deflection and his efforts in the penalty shoot out were embarrassing I vote for Shilts, but only just because Ivan Katalinic was my favourite
SO5 4BW Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 I have sad memories of Shilton, seeing him in the 1990 World Cup when he was so old he couldn't lift his feet off the ground anymore - 10 years earlier he would have saved Brehme's deflection and his efforts in the penalty shoot out were embarrassing Maybe true - but he was a Derby player then. For most of the time he was with us he was the best keeper in the world. Funnily enough he never had a good reputation for saving pens. What England should have done once that 1990 semi-final went to penalties was to bring on the sub keeper - Dave Beasant - who had a much better record
Gemmel Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 There are very few clubs that can boast such a talent of goalkeepers in recent times. Actually it is a position we seemed to be blessed in. Overall I'd have to go for Shilts, although Neimi and Flowers were both outstanding for us. For the poster that mocked Paul Jones, as unfasionable as he was, he was brilliant for Saints and not surprised someone added him to the mix.
doddisalegend Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 When I was kid football down the park always wanted to be Shilton....guy was a legend
Amesbury Saint Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Can't believe nobody has mentioned Dexter Blackstock for his performance against Newcastle in the cup. Best goalkeeper we have ever had in my opinion... worth a special mention how long was he keeper for - 30 minutes? did he conceed a goal? can't remember the specifics but fair play for the lad for going in goal.
dune Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 1. Shilton. World class and proven at world class level. 2. Niemi. The best keeper i've ever seen play for us. 3. Flowers. Not far behind Niemi. 4. Davis. A loyal servant but average.
Badger Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Maybe true - but he was a Derby player then. For most of the time he was with us he was the best keeper in the world. Funnily enough he never had a good reputation for saving pens. What England should have done once that 1990 semi-final went to penalties was to bring on the sub keeper - Dave Beasant - who had a much better record Someone suggested this to me at the time, that Beasant should have come on a minute before the end of extra time.The logic behind my friends view was that not only did Beasant have a better record of saving penalties, but psychologically it would really have thrown the Germans, seeing this giant character with a mop of hair taking to the field.
Badger Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 On the subject of Dave Beasant, he was frequently critiscised after joining Saints, as a Branfoot signing to replace Flowers he was never going to be greatly appreciated, and he did drop some goolies from time to time. One thing in his favour though he did always seem to rally the 'dressing room' when we were up against it, even when sat on the subs bench.
HK_Phoey Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 For me Shilton was miles ahead of everyone else. Flowers and Niemi were brilliant shot stoppers. Often producing unbelievable saves, but Shilton made saving shots that other goalkeepers would have let in look like routine saves and as someone else mentioned made the 18 yard box look like a postage stamp. He actually controlled the whole 1/2 of the pitch that Saints were defending. Also when the ball was at the other end, he was always stretching, jumping about running up and down, making sure he was properly warmed up if and when required in games we dominated, and yes we did dominate games in those days even against the likes of Liverpool and Man Utd. Paul Jones I also though did well for us as did Dave Beasant. Apologies to anyone else but I haven't seen Maik Taylor mentioned anywhere yet. He also was an exceptional goalkeeper for us and later Birmingham, think he falls into the category of one that got away. I thought the Katalinic was a good keeper to but I was about 12 at the time he was playing for us so perceptions perhaps not as reasoned then. No disrespect to Kelvin, who I think is an excellent keeper, one of the best in the league but for me he would be undoubtedly number two to any of the goalkeepers mentioned above.
jampot Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Anyone remember Shilton saving a penalty against Millwall in the league cup and playing injured against Aston villa (Mark Dennis sent off also)
Clash City Saint Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 What about Eric Nixon? I remember being impressed with both him and Phil Kite...ok not in the class of the above but if Dexter can get a mention then so should these two. As already has been mentioned but the team in front of each keeper has a big bearing on their performances, Shilts would be having a quiet game and then save us (unlike the Poland game in '73) where as Flowers would be making save after save and his performance led to a record fee for a keeper (if I remember correctly) with his move to Blackburn. Even though he won the League and more England caps whilst there I don't think he ever regained the form he showed whilst with us but again with the team in front of him at BR the ball was in the oppositions half far more and he didn't get the constant workout he was getting at Saints. For me....Shilts....Niemi....Flowers....Wells
jampot Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Anyone remember Keith Granger? I remember Shilts got injured and we had to play Everton away...Oh dear....
Stubby Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Shilton, of course. With an honourable mention for Eric Martin. And I recall a remarkable performance by Matt Le Tiss in Francis Benali's testimonial.
Wade Garrett Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Definitely Shilton, followed by Niemi. Flowers played his best football at Blackburn. When we had Shilts he was arguably the best keeper in the world.
krissyboy31 Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Shilton without any shadow of a doubt. One of the best keepers the world has ever seen, let alone Saints. I know there is a generation thing and Niemi was one hell of a keeper but still nowhere close. Davis wouldn't get in the top ten for me.
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