Turkish Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 EDL marches in Tower Hamlets have been banned and all in London for 30 days. What happened to live and let live and freedom of speech FFS? I am sure some of you will be outraged at this infringement of human rights. Can't be arsed to post the link but it's on sky news for those of you chomping at the bit to protest to the local MPs about this discriminating behaviour.
dune Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 I'm sure it'd be the same rule if it was an anti war march or some other tree huggers day out.
View From The Top Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 I think you'll find Rich that even the lefties, myself included, believe that the EDL marchers should have the same rights of protest as everyone else, regardless of whether we like or support their ideas or beliefs. Personally I think everyone should be warned to look out for the Muslamic ray guns. I love this musical representation.
sticksaint Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 "We don`t need no british movement ,nor the klu klux klan nor the national front,it make me an angry man" - The Specials
Turkish Posted 27 August, 2011 Author Posted 27 August, 2011 "We don`t need no british movement ,nor the klu klux klan nor the national front,it make me an angry man" - The Specials Case closed then. Using the logic of 70s music we don't need no education either. Ban all schools.
alehouseboys Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 We don`t need no british movement "We don't need no British Movement" = We need British Movement we don't need no education "We don't need no education" = We need education Paulsgrove grammar.
dune Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 The problem with the EDL is that the Liberal Elite look down their noses at patriotism. I can't wait to escape this country for a piece of Little England. This article perfectly illustrates the point and why Britain has gone to the dogs. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100082174/why-the-british-political-class-is-so-snooty-about-gibraltar/
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 The problem with the EDL is that the Liberal Elite look down their noses at patriotism. I can't wait to escape this country for a piece of Little England. This article perfectly illustrates the point and why Britain has gone to the dogs. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100082174/why-the-british-political-class-is-so-snooty-about-gibraltar/ Don't confuse patriotism with nationalism. There is a difference between wearing an England shirt and flying a flag during the World Cup for example, and marching through the streets chanting "Muslim scum" or whatever
Junction 9 Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 The problem with the EDL is that the Liberal Elite look down their noses at patriotism. I can't wait to escape this country for a piece of Little England. This article perfectly illustrates the point and why Britain has gone to the dogs. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100082174/why-the-british-political-class-is-so-snooty-about-gibraltar/ We end up with the worst of all worlds: an unquestionably Spanish bit of land continues to be overseen by Britain, but only due to Britain’s desire to avoid controversy rather than anything resembling national vigour or vision. Sounds perfect for you Dune. I just pray everyone like you want to leave these shores as wel, fingers crossed.
Turkish Posted 27 August, 2011 Author Posted 27 August, 2011 "We don't need no British Movement" = We need British Movement "We don't need no education" = We need education Paulsgrove grammar. Please explain what you mean.
View From The Top Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 The problem with the EDL is that the Liberal Elite look down their noses at patriotism. I can't wait to escape this country for a piece of Little England. This article perfectly illustrates the point and why Britain has gone to the dogs. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100082174/why-the-british-political-class-is-so-snooty-about-gibraltar/ Gib' is a sh*thole and has been for years.
View From The Top Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 The problem with the EDL is that the Liberal Elite look down their noses at patriotism. I can't wait to escape this country for a piece of Little England. This article perfectly illustrates the point and why Britain has gone to the dogs. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100082174/why-the-british-political-class-is-so-snooty-about-gibraltar/ As per normal you confuse patriotism with nationalism. I'm a proud patriot but I'm not a nationalist. It's quite easy to be left wing and still be proud of your country and heritage, millions are.
Thedelldays Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Gib' is a sh*thole and has been for years. tis an absolute dump IMO
um pahars Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 We end up with the worst of all worlds: an unquestionably Spanish bit of land continues to be overseen by Britain, but only due to Britain’s desire to avoid controversy rather than anything resembling national vigour or vision. Sounds perfect for you Dune. I just pray everyone like you want to leave these shores as wel, fingers crossed. Found it a rather strange place when I went there a couple of weeks ago. Obviously read, heard and seen much about it, but it turned out to be nothing like I was expecting. Some parts of it looked British, whilst other parts continental (particulalry the newer buildings), they drove on the right and it certainly wasn't like the Little England I was expecting. Although the first language was supposed to be English, the majority of conservations between people were undertaken in Spanish (a few in a hybrid dialect). I also got a sense that those who I met weren't British nor did they have any desire to be British, but instead referred to themselves as Gibraltarians or Llanitos. When I spoke to some the overwhelming reason for remaining "British" didn't seem to be a sense of history, loyalty or love of the Mother Country, but instead a desire to benefit from economic success of the enclave and they were constantly referring to the fact that right across the border unemployment was a major problem. I certainly interpreted it as being a flag of economic convenience.
um pahars Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 tis an absolute dump IMO But not a bad place to spend a day. The siege tunnels were impressive as were the old town fortifications. Good for history buffs, but wasn't impressed with much else.
dune Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 the majority of conservations between people were undertaken in Spanish (a few in a hybrid dialect). They seemlessly switch between English and Spanish mid sentence. This is where the term speaking 'gibberish' came from.
um pahars Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 They seemlessly switch between English and Spanish mid sentence. This is where the term speaking 'gibberish' came from. The word and meaining of Gibberish/Jabberish/Geberish predates our occupation of Gibraltar in the early 1700's (sounds a nice story though). You might not like it but it probably has its origins in either an Irish dialect or an Islamic Scientist.
dune Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 The word and meaining of Gibberish/Jabberish/Geberish predates our occupation of Gibraltar in the early 1700's (sounds a nice story though). You might not like it but it probably has its origins in either an Irish dialect or an Islamic Scientist. Best not use the question in one of your quiz nights then.
um pahars Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Best not use the question in one of your quiz nights then. Best not or I'll quote this from a piece that predates our occupation of Gibraltar by about a century: "And as when bats, amid the far recess Of some great cave, flit gibbering and squeak low"
Hamilton Saint Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Please explain what you mean. They are double negatives. We don't need no education actually means that we need education. The correct form would be: we don't need any education.
SuperMikey Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 As a fully-fledged member of the Liberal Elite, I despise the EDL. However, they've got as much right to protest as anyone else, so this ban shouldn't be in place unless there are serious security risks (which tbh, there probably are when a march involves the EDL and an impoverished, multi-cultural area of London). Recent events may dictate what people can and can't do in the way of public protesting for a while...
solentstars Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 The problem with the EDL is that the Liberal Elite look down their noses at patriotism. I can't wait to escape this country for a piece of Little England. This article perfectly illustrates the point and why Britain has gone to the dogs. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100082174/why-the-british-political-class-is-so-snooty-about-gibraltar/ha ha your liberal elite line again and linking facist far right modern blackshirts trouble makers with patriotism. i wonder why the working people of this country are so hated by the daily mail/express elite.
Verbal Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 EDL marches in Tower Hamlets have been banned and all in London for 30 days. What happened to live and let live and freedom of speech FFS? I am sure some of you will be outraged at this infringement of human rights. Can't be arsed to post the link but it's on sky news for those of you chomping at the bit to protest to the local MPs about this discriminating behaviour. Even by your lazy standards, this is poor stuff. But in case you need to see an example of the EDL exercising its free speech, take a look at this.http://www.twitpic.com/5exbfg
Turkish Posted 28 August, 2011 Author Posted 28 August, 2011 Even by your lazy standards, this is poor stuff. But in case you need to see an example of the EDL exercising its free speech, take a look at this.http://www.twitpic.com/5exbfg I didn't say I agree with their message, just they have a right to march. I know the thought of the EDL beings on a cold sweat to you but do you not agree they have a right to make their voice heard, regardless of if you like it or not? Surely on the basis used to ban this march Notting Hill carnival should also have been axed this year, always trouble there.
Verbal Posted 28 August, 2011 Posted 28 August, 2011 I didn't say I agree with their message, just they have a right to march. I know the thought of the EDL beings on a cold sweat to you but do you not agree they have a right to make their voice heard, regardless of if you like it or not? Surely on the basis used to ban this march Notting Hill carnival should also have been axed this year, always trouble there. Either you didn't look at that clip or you approve of such 'freedom of speech'.
View From The Top Posted 28 August, 2011 Posted 28 August, 2011 Either you didn't look at that clip or you approve of such 'freedom of speech'. Everyone, regardless of how odious their message, should be allowed to protest. That's a core element of our democracy.
Saintandy666 Posted 28 August, 2011 Posted 28 August, 2011 I absolutely hate the EDL and everything they say and stand for. However, they should not be denied a voice ever. Freedom of speech must be total and span all views, even those which frankly disgust most of us.
bridge too far Posted 28 August, 2011 Posted 28 August, 2011 I absolutely hate the EDL and everything they say and stand for. However, they should not be denied a voice ever. Freedom of speech must be total and span all views, even those which frankly disgust most of us. This. Give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves (metaphorically speaking)
solentstars Posted 28 August, 2011 Posted 28 August, 2011 hope it goes ahead and those low life scum are arrested and sentenced to go jail along with their extremist islamists mates
Turkish Posted 28 August, 2011 Author Posted 28 August, 2011 Either you didn't look at that clip or you approve of such 'freedom of speech'. Having a problem reading today? I was quite clear that i didn't say i agreed with their message. Or is freedom of speech only allowed if its what you agree with?
Turkish Posted 28 August, 2011 Author Posted 28 August, 2011 This. Give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves (metaphorically speaking) Isn't it just their right of passage??
dune Posted 28 August, 2011 Posted 28 August, 2011 This. Give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves (metaphorically speaking) I'm sure rickety old bridge will be the first to highlight any fringe elements, but with such a widely supported movement there are bound to be some that detract from the peaceful majority.
bridge too far Posted 28 August, 2011 Posted 28 August, 2011 Isn't it just their right of passage?? It might be their rite of passage.
bridge too far Posted 28 August, 2011 Posted 28 August, 2011 I'm sure rickety old bridge will be the first to highlight any fringe elements, but with such a widely supported movement there are bound to be some that detract from the peaceful majority. Says the troll who lives underneath
dune Posted 28 August, 2011 Posted 28 August, 2011 Says the troll who lives underneath ha ha, you call me dunce so i've found a new name for you, and judging by your reaction it hit the mark.
aintforever Posted 28 August, 2011 Posted 28 August, 2011 The EDL are a bunch of nut-jobs on some imaginary crusade but banning them will do more harm than good.
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 28 August, 2011 Posted 28 August, 2011 EDL marches in Tower Hamlets have been banned and all in London for 30 days. What happened to live and let live and freedom of speech FFS? I am sure some of you will be outraged at this infringement of human rights. Can't be arsed to post the link but it's on sky news for those of you chomping at the bit to protest to the local MPs about this discriminating behaviour. More to the point, no discrimination against the EDL, but let's not let the facts get in the way of conjecture! http://www.presstv.ir/detail/196108.html
Saintandy666 Posted 28 August, 2011 Posted 28 August, 2011 This. Give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves (metaphorically speaking) Exactly. Just look at the rise and fall of the BNP over the last say 5 years. Some people gave them a chance, they aired their views on a national scale and now thankfully, everyone is rejecting them. Electoral collapses left, right and centre.
dune Posted 28 August, 2011 Posted 28 August, 2011 Yet they spent a fortune on extra security so the Notting Hill carnival could go ahead.
Thedelldays Posted 28 August, 2011 Posted 28 August, 2011 EDL, islam4uk....all of them should not be allowed to chat shyt...but that is my view.. allow one group of nutters...you allow them all
dune Posted 28 August, 2011 Posted 28 August, 2011 Exactly. Just look at the rise and fall of the BNP over the last say 5 years. Some people gave them a chance, they aired their views on a national scale and now thankfully, everyone is rejecting them. Electoral collapses left, right and centre. Do keep up Andy. UKIP are the party of choice for those of us on the right. They are growing at about the same pace as the Lib Dems are declining.
Saintandy666 Posted 28 August, 2011 Posted 28 August, 2011 Do keep up Andy. UKIP are the party of choice for those of us on the right. They are growing at about the same pace as the Lib Dems are declining. What's that got to do with anything I just said?! The problem with UKIP is they are a one man show, they have little depth beyond Nigel Farage and if they want to do better at elections they need to sort it out pronto. And I know you will probably come out with lots of names now, but to the general public they are anonymous. Just look at Lord Pearson... Also, the fact the conservative party exists doesn't help. You need PR really. But I was talking about the BNP, not UKIP though if you want to associate those two parties I welcome you to it, it will only make UKIP's brand toxic. Also, are you suggesting there is a link between Lib Dem decline and UKIP rise?!??! And the Liberal Democrats have had a recovery in opinion polls lately. They were on 17% in the latest ICM poll.
bridge too far Posted 28 August, 2011 Posted 28 August, 2011 EDL, islam4uk....all of them should not be allowed to chat shyt...but that is my view.. allow one group of nutters...you allow them all But who is to decide who the nutters are?
Thedelldays Posted 28 August, 2011 Posted 28 August, 2011 But who is to decide who the nutters are? well, you clearly think EDL are...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 28 August, 2011 Posted 28 August, 2011 When you live in a free country,everyone is allowed to express their views,providing they dont preach hate and violence.
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