Legod Third Coming Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Can anyone name me a bad transfer deal we have done under Cortese? Just asking. Cos there seem to be quite a lote of people out there who think they know better, like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 What are you on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Some of the bed wetting on here recently is just mental. The problem is we now live in a world where most people are on the web, listening to speculation about all sorts and taking it as fact, then getting all in a flap over something that may have already happened, may happen in the future, or may not happen. I for one am totally happy with where the club is and I have total trust that whatever has/hasn't happened already, or may/may not happen in the future, will be for the good of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Some of the bed wetting on here recently is just mental. The problem is we now live in a world where most people are on the web, listening to speculation about all sorts and taking it as fact, then getting all in a flap over something that may have already happened, may happen in the future, or may not happen. I for one am totally happy with where the club is and I have total trust that whatever has/hasn't happened already, or may/may not happen in the future, will be for the good of the club. Agree 100%. We have a pathetic bunch of whinging bed wetting losers following Saints led by Hypo, although, in fairness, he's desperate for Adkins to fail so his attitude isn't unexpected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Jonathan Forte? Failure to sign Elliot Ward? Renewing Jaidi's contract? Just thinking. Not saying it's all bad but it's not all good either. More good than bad to be honest but like most things in life it's not black or White. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Agree 100%. We have a pathetic bunch of whinging bed wetting losers following Saints led by Hypo, although, in fairness, he's desperate for Adkins to fail so his attitude isn't unexpected. You are an idiot if that is your stance. I am desperate for sfc to do well whic means Adkins doing well. I am very pleased with our start and my trip to Ipswich last week will live long in the memory. Talk sensibly or not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Red Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 At the end of last season NA said he wanted to add 2 or 3 quality players. We've added 3, so what's the problem? I know we've lost OXO but that's been expected for the last 6 months. If we added another 5 this week some people would want one more. Just pathetic. It's no different from the Arsenal fans thinking they're hard done by because they haven't won anything for 6 years. Try being a proper supporter of a 'normal' football club. You'll be lucky to win 30% of your games let alone a trophy. Rant over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Jonathan Forte? Failure to sign Elliot Ward? Renewing Jaidi's contract? Just thinking. Not saying it's all bad but it's not all good either. More good than bad to be honest but like most things in life it's not black or White. Yeah this. We have done some decent stuff in the transfer window but also some not so good stuff. Yours is a decent and common sense post but the happy clappy brigade won't allow any sort of criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 At the end of last season NA said he wanted to add 2 or 3 quality players. We've added 3, so what's the problem? I know we've lost OXO but that's been expected for the last 6 months. If we added another 5 this week some people would want one more. Just pathetic. It's no different from the Arsenal fans thinking they're hard done by because they haven't won anything for 6 years. Try being a proper supporter of a 'normal' football club. You'll be lucky to win 30% of your games let alone a trophy. Rant over Incorrect. Quality cb and striker is all that is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Some of the bed wetting on here recently is just mental. The problem is we now live in a world where most people are on the web, listening to speculation about all sorts and taking it as fact, then getting all in a flap over something that may have already happened, may happen in the future, or may not happen. I for one am totally happy with where the club is and I have total trust that whatever has/hasn't happened already, or may/may not happen in the future, will be for the good of the club. A very accurate assessment. Every window we have the same gash spouted on here and every window, so far, the club has delivered the goods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 If you have a banker negotiating hard and not wanting to get ripped off, I imagine many deals will fall away and some of the more hypocritical, or just plain dim managers/owners will rant about it. So be it. It means we'll sign players that fit in with our club and don't upset the squad harmony. Trust me, I'd far rather play it like Norwich and Swansea, signing better players who may stay longer term and don't completely change the dynamics of the squad, than the QPR approach. But QPR had very much a short term squad to get up in the first place. 60k a week on Barton? Egos like Bothroyd, Dyer, Taarabt? No thanks. I doubt it'll even help them that much in the longer term, just drain the finances and any remaining spirit in the club. Had enough of that with Bernard, Davenport, Quashie, Camara and countless others, overpaid egos not giving two shts about the club. I see Bolton's chairman moaning at Wenger today, and people will back him as Wenger is an easy target these days. But as Wenger said, they're free to reject the offer if they don't want to sell. Moaning in public just looks like they do want to see but want more money. Cortese obviously plays a hard game but keeps quiet and gets on with his job. I have no problem with that and I'm sure Adkins doesn't either. Exactly. Football is populated with loud mouthed idiots. Being lectured on "the way to do business" by Warnock... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Yeah this. We have done some decent stuff in the transfer window but also some not so good stuff. Yours is a decent and common sense post but the happy clappy brigade won't allow any sort of criticism. You're a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Some of the bed wetting on here recently is just mental. The problem is we now live in a world where most people are on the web, listening to speculation about all sorts and taking it as fact, then getting all in a flap over something that may have already happened, may happen in the future, or may not happen. I for one am totally happy with where the club is and I have total trust that whatever has/hasn't happened already, or may/may not happen in the future, will be for the good of the club. Partly true, but some of Adkins statements about players coming in can't have helped much. We do seem to miss a fair few off with our transfer behaviour - can't decide if that's a good thing or not though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 (edited) Jonathan Forte? Failure to sign Elliot Ward? Renewing Jaidi's contract? Just thinking. Not saying it's all bad but it's not all good either. More good than bad to be honest but like most things in life it's not black or White. I must have missed the bit where the cheap Jonathan Forte did something bad for the club. I do recall when he scored the two goals against MK Dons. "Failure to sign Elliot Ward" - we decided not to sign him you spanner. How is that a "failure"? On that basis we have failed to sign Plymouth's third choice 'keeper but that's hardly a bad thing. "Renewing Jaidi's contract" - seriously, now you've lost the plot completely haven't you? Explain what the problem is there. ****ing mentalist. Edited 26 August, 2011 by benjii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelkel31 Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Can anyone name me a bad transfer deal we have done under Cortese? Just asking. Cos there seem to be quite a lote of people out there who think they know better, like... to answer the original post how do we know if if any of the deals done are bad, all of them are 'undisclosed' so we have no idea if we have overpaid or undersold! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 26 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Truth is we don't know who we missed out on - if anyone. Ever been to an auction? With a budget? And bought nothing? Cos that's how buying something that anyone else can buy works. I'm not sure after four games, four wins and a +7 goal difference, and best winning run in the club's history, exactly what is is we're missing?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Truth is we don't know who we missed out on - if anyone. Ever been to an auction? With a budget? And bought nothing? Cos that's how buying something that anyone else can buy works. I'm not sure after four games, four wins and a +7 goal difference, and best winning run in the club's history, exactly what is is we're missing?? perfection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Nobody can tell how players we could've signed but haven't would've done had they signed for us, and so any 'missed' transfer is not relevant. They could've performed badly, or broken their leg, or raped a Southampton woman and been jailed for 5 years. When we miss a player, the timeline is diverted and the timeline where they come to us no longer exists. Then Marty McFly gets into the deLorean and goes back in time to get a blow job off his mum, and as a result Cortese is a hero. With the six million quid being touted for one or two of the strikers we're linking ourselves with, it worries me a tad. On one hand, we'll be showing ambition and Saints fans will be 'quick-fix' happy. On the other hand it's a lot of money to spend on one player when playing in the second flight. Look at Delgado and Delap. Hardly successes. Someone young that we invest in well would please me, but I'm sure Cortese and Adkins are still working hard to bring in the right player/s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 26 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Jonathan Forte? Who helped us win promotion? Failure to sign Elliot Ward? Who wasn't need to win promotion? Renewing Jaidi's contract? Who may yet play a part this season? Just thinking. Not saying it's all bad but it's not all good either. More good than bad to be honest but like most things in life it's not black or White. I'm not saying everything Cortese does is perfect, far from it. But our buying policy since he's arrived has been superb. We must be one of the better clubs in the whole league in this regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 People in general dont like dealing with Cortese, thats bloody obvious. Deals have fallen through im sure because of his antics- it's known in the club and outside as well. At the end of the day though, we are top of the league. He has bought in some good players and its been a fantastic couple of years. So for now........whatever, it's not worth my brain power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Truth is we don't know who we missed out on - if anyone. Ever been to an auction? With a budget? And bought nothing? Cos that's how buying something that anyone else can buy works. I'm not sure after four games, four wins and a +7 goal difference, and best winning run in the club's history, exactly what is is we're missing?? Agree with everything, right up to the bit in bold as like Adkins I think we're a bit short in the middle of defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 It's difficult to make a bad transfer deal when you only make 2 a year !!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 26 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Agree with everything, right up to the bit in bold as like Adkins I think we're a bit short in the middle of defence. Maybe. Fonte Jhaidi Martin Seaborne Cork can play there comfortably, has done for England U21. Fox is 6" can he play there? It's not exactly threadbare but I agree if we could get a good one who's better than what we have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Deals have fallen through im sure because of his antics- it's known in the club and outside as well. ANTICS ? As in making sure we get the right player ? Making sure we are not getting ripped because other clubs know we have the money from the Walcott transfer ? You are another bed-wetter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 clubs know we have the money from the Walcott transfer ? They must have good memories or stuck in a Manji time warp if they think we still have the Walcott money still burning a hole in our pockets. #clueless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Wembley, promotion, top of the league - let me have a long hard think, do I trust Nicola and Nige or am I more interested in what Warnock has to say?...... Difficult one that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 26 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 26 August, 2011 It's difficult to make a bad transfer deal when you only make 2 a year !!!!!! You don't need hundreds of transfers unless of course you have a dodgy agreement with an agent whereby you're taking a cut of the deal but we've never had a manager who would do that have we.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 They must have good memories or stuck in a Manji time warp if they think we still have the Walcott money still burning a hole in our pockets. #clueless think you knew what he meant...or i hope you do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 think you knew what he meant...or i hope you do Given some of his hysterical bedwetting posts about dark forces at play, I sometimes struggle to know what he means LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 I must have missed the bit where the cheap Jonathan Forte did something bad for the club. I do recall when he scored the two goals against MK Dons. "Failure to sign Elliot Ward" - we decided not to sign him you spanner. How is that a "failure"? On that basis we have failed to sign Plymouth's third choice 'keeper but that's hardly a bad thing. "Renewing Jaidi's contract" - seriously, now you've lost the plot completely haven't you? Explain what the problem is there. ****ing mentalist. have you got the blinkers on or what!?!?!?!?!? Forte was not a great signing - yes his two goals were probably invaluable - but the reality is we are stuck with a player for the next 2 or 3 years that we don't really want and who is probably past his best and not really going to improve. I hope I'm proved wrong - but I dont think I will be and that is part of the reason we are supposedly looking for another striker. At the time it looked like a panic buy as we couldn't get anyone else. As a 6 month loan it would have been a great deal! the Elliott Ward deal was done and dusted by all accounts - but then we dropped it and went for Seabourne. For me Ward would have been a first choice partner for Fonte and would have made the difference between finishing where we did and getting us in the play-offs. It also made the club look a bit stupid and a bit unprofessional - which will come back to bite us and maybe already has done so Seabourne was the cheap option - and he's been OK - but that's it The Fontaine and the Billy Sharpe situations haven't done us any favours either with agents or other clubs Jaidi was great last season - but at 37 he probably should have retired - as it is he's carrying an injury so it will be some while before we see him play again - and a long time before he hits the levels he did at the end of last season. It's also why we're supposedly looking for another left sided centreback. I expect Adkins and Cortese probably think it was the wrong decision to give him another year now - unless he's on a pay as you play deal. Must admit I was 50/50 on whether to give him another year at the end of last season by the way we don't need to worry about Plymouths third keeper - we've got Forecast! the Do Prado, Jack Cork and Steve De Ridder signings and renewing of Schneiderlin's and Lallana's contract's were all brilliant bits of business! Particularly the signing of De Ridder before selling Oxlade-Chamberlain (which in itself was a masterstroke of business) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Can anyone name me a bad transfer deal we have done under Cortese? Just asking. Cos there seem to be quite a lote of people out there who think they know better, like... Very true, it seems that we have people listening to Neil Warnock of all people about a player that the vast majority of us know very little about. I think we're a little too keen on the idea of getting new players, the ones we have seem to be doing just fine. Unless they're an improvement on what we have, why buy? The problem we've had is buying players for no real reason. If you think that out transfers in pretty much equalled our transfers out and that we had several high priced sales then you realise we gave an awful lot of players away... I, for one, am glad those days are over.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 They must have good memories or stuck in a Manji time warp if they think we still have the Walcott money still burning a hole in our pockets. #clueless Probably typed the wrong name by mistake. #hissyfit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emerson massey Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Truth is we don't know who we missed out on - if anyone. Ever been to an auction? With a budget? And bought nothing? Cos that's how buying something that anyone else can buy works. I'm not sure after four games, four wins and a +7 goal difference, and best winning run in the club's history, exactly what is is we're missing?? By far the best post i have read in a very very long time. Some people think Football Manager is real life, when in reality it is very different. Dont get me wrong, i enjoy the game, GAME being the operative word -but it has a lot to answer for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Good job we are playing well and have won all games so far, breaking records along the way else we would all be slitting our wrists! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 27 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 27 August, 2011 Very true, it seems that we have people listening to Neil Warnock of all people about a player that the vast majority of us know very little about. I think we're a little too keen on the idea of getting new players, the ones we have seem to be doing just fine. Unless they're an improvement on what we have, why buy? The problem we've had is buying players for no real reason. If you think that out transfers in pretty much equalled our transfers out and that we had several high priced sales then you realise we gave an awful lot of players away... I, for one, am glad those days are over.... I could not agree more. If you can find me a player better than those we have, I am all ears. But he must be able to walk into the first team otherwise you are buying WORSE than we already have. And if we need 'cover', that's why we have players like Martin - who as far as I can see is alright. Still I well remember people thinking Lallana wasn't up to much... You will always pick up injuries and suspensions but we have a cracking first team, for the first time since 1984-odd. We have some good players who cannot get a kick and we still have a youth academy that produced...who was it now... er oh that's right, the World's best left back, the fastest player in the Premiership and possibly another star in Oxo... While I think we might have another decent CB in, if Seaborne and Martin are ever going to be as good as Fonte one thing they have to do is play football... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 27 August, 2011 Share Posted 27 August, 2011 I wa getting worried earlier in the season and lo and behold we signed Cork and De Ridder. Getting nervous now so I fully expect one or two new signings before the close of the window though all these reports about clubs preferring to do business elsewhere is a little worrying and ties in with what 4th official tweeted earlier this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 27 August, 2011 Share Posted 27 August, 2011 Given some of his hysterical bedwetting posts about dark forces at play, I sometimes struggle to know what he means LOL. A mistake OK ? I accept you would be better than me at a Quiz Night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 27 August, 2011 Share Posted 27 August, 2011 I dread to think what this forum will be like when, as they inevitably will, a few things go against you. Anyway to shut the wrist slitters up for a few minutes at least, I agree 4 wins out of 4 and top of the league and not getting a few players we may not have actually been in for as described, is simply not good enough and so Cortese and Adkins for the sack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 27 August, 2011 Share Posted 27 August, 2011 I have been reading Alan Sugers Autobiography and have read about his time at Spurs. He makes reference to the Old Boys Club, dodgy dealings, sweeties being offered, money in drawers etc and the way that, in a business, they all behaved in a non-business way and it confounded him. Being as his background is not one of the old traditionalists, i.e. the superfans with money, I can only assume that Cortese is the same. It's not to give whats asked for ther player, plus a bit for the agent, plus the inflated price because we have just sold Walcott, (I know it was Chamberlain, but I put this in as support for Manji and this is what he maent). Cortese is no fool to be ripped off with overblown assesments based on the fact we have a few quid. How would you feel if you went to SMS and they said: 'Right, the price for a ticket is: unemployed £10.00, Student £15.00, Labour and service industry £ 20.00, Tradesman £ 30.00, Middle management £ 45.00, Upper Management live in the centre of town, Another £40.00, Shirley to Sholing Another £ 30.00, To southampton border Another £25.00, Eastleigh another £20.00 Outside Eastleigh, Nothing.' ****, I think i've given out the business model for ticketing next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 27 August, 2011 Share Posted 27 August, 2011 I have been reading Alan Sugers Autobiography and have read about his time at Spurs. He makes reference to the Old Boys Club, dodgy dealings, sweeties being offered, money in drawers etc and the way that, in a business, they all behaved in a non-business way and it confounded him. Being as his background is not one of the old traditionalists, i.e. the superfans with money, I can only assume that Cortese is the same. When I attended that meal with Cortese, one of the things he told us was about the dodgy goings on at the club and that he wanted no part in any of that sort of thing. Even the administrator who sorted the takeover was up to no good and tried to get his little bit extra out of the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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