Warnock on the Gorkss transfer

[Shrek]

Interesting but like you say Warnock is an arse. In fact i'll raise you and say warnock is an utter ****.

 

This!

[shirleysfc]

It is possible to drive a hard bargain, and get the best for yourself, without causing bad feeling and 'ruffling feathers'.

 

I'm not saying NC is or isn't doing the latter, I just hope that NC is able to do this, and both maintains and gets respect for/from others whilst doing his job.

 

Not with Warnock it's not, he always throws his toys when he doesn't get his own way!! After getting turned over by Bolton he just whinged about Kevin Davies making 7 fouls in the first half and not getting booked... sums him up!

 

As Saint Clark said, we completed the Fox signing in 24 hours and I remember reading the De Ridder transfer was completed rapidly too. Maybe this guy wasn't a real target for us either...

[Flyer]

So Warnock thinks that Cortese is a c#nt, TBF he is well qualified to judge as he has been working with Briatore and Ecclestone for the last couple of years

 

100% agree with that.

 

Looks like Warmock has got a few people wound up on here which is funny, whats even funnier is that Saints fans would love him if he got them promoted to the PL.

 

As for Puncheon, that was off as soon as tightwads B&E were gone.

 

Dyer worked out fine, hes on a pay as you play deal, low risk, high reward. Hes not paid if hes injured.

[shirleysfc]

100% agree with that.

 

Looks like Warmock has got a few people wound up on here which is funny, whats even funnier is that Saints fans would love him if he got them promoted to the PL.

 

As for Puncheon, that was off as soon as tightwads B&E were gone.

 

Dyer worked out fine, hes on a pay as you play deal, low risk, high reward. Hes not paid if hes injured.

 

High reward from Dyer?? How much do you think that 5 mins cost you... £20k? More?

 

If you're lucky you may get 90mins out of him by christmas and it should only cost £150k - £200k...

[Redondo Saint]

This.

 

Warnock is looking purely from QPR's perspective- he wanted the cash asap.

 

Yet again the fecking Echo are quick to print the negative views of another club. Very sad.

[OldNick]

100% agree with that.

 

Looks like Warmock has got a few people wound up on here which is funny, whats even funnier is that Saints fans would love him if he got them promoted to the PL.

 

As for Puncheon, that was off as soon as tightwads B&E were gone.

 

Dyer worked out fine, hes on a pay as you play deal, low risk, high reward. Hes not paid if hes injured.

Nothing worse than kicking a man when he is down, oh you are after someone who would. Any club who will by a player like Barton has no morals , and so Im happy to have NC guide us through the cesspit of football its managers , agents and players.

IMO NC is ruffling feathers because he is trying to deal properly and all the old school people don't like it as they are not getting such good deals for themselves.

[70's Mike]

Agreed, we have more than enough in our current squad to achieve our aims this season.

 

strange statement, so why are we looking?

[um pahars]

Yet again the fecking Echo are quick to print the negative views of another club. Very sad.

 

There is no way you could expect The Echo not to run this story. A Prem manager (no matter how mad he is) giving us a roasting will always be big news!!!

 

Haven't read their piece to see what they've added or what their slant is, but you can't expect them not to run with a story like this.

[captainchris]

I like and respect Warnock as a man and manager. Hard to disagree with him if you ask me, and I'm sure he has far more experience on how football transfers are conducted than Cortese ever will.

 

Utter nonsense.......Warnock is conceited and similar to our friend the Blackpool manager has too many opinions. Warock publicly condemned us for sacking the poor Alan Pardew too - has something against us - probably just pure jealousy or has some axe or other to grind not someone I would personally value the opinion of........

[70's Mike]

Strange that Warnock was saying what a marvelous club we were on Goals on Sunday a few weeks back

[corsacar saint]

Have no problem with Warnock,but one has to remember that he is a Yorkshireman and that they are always right.[Apart from my late father,who was also one,but luckily was

a very big exception to this rule].

[Dalek2003]

strange statement' date=' so why are we looking?[/quote']

 

 

Are we looking ? It seems to me that everyone is keen to link us with one player or another. Maybe this is wishful thinking or just the internet whipping up rumours. We certainly haven't signed many of the names given on this site. maybe NA is happy with the squad after all and is happy that it can achieve his aims.

[sotonist]

Nige is going around bidding for players he doesn't want or need to see if one comes off, after which he'll tell them he doesn't want them anyway. It's obvious really.

[Viking Warrior]

I can't stand warnock always whinging

[monosaint]

The players we have already bought in are of top quality and came because of the vision of the Club and its Chariman so worrying about Mr Warnock, who, as most will say, is of the old school is not worth the effort. Move on I say. Let's not go forking out silly money for overrated players.

[derry]

Lazy reporting from newsnow link to local (QPR) London paper yesterday quoted pretty much word for word.

[Neil]

"We had Southampton messing about for 3 weeks" - the alternative translation is "Southampton didn't cave in to our demands".

 

"Brian McDermott was magnificent, Reading are a good club" - the alternative translation is "Reading caved in to our demands".

 

Either way, you would have to ask the mighty Warnock how his massive Premiership club allowed themselves to get "messed about" by Championship small-fry for 3 weeks...

[up and away]

100% agree with that.

 

Looks like Warmock has got a few people wound up on here which is funny, whats even funnier is that Saints fans would love him if he got them promoted to the PL.

 

As for Puncheon, that was off as soon as tightwads B&E were gone.

 

Dyer worked out fine, hes on a pay as you play deal, low risk, high reward. Hes not paid if hes injured.

 

Most fans would accept a manager that gave them success, even though you would have to empty your bowels from all directions after watching one of his interviews. There is two faced and there is two faced, but a fifty pence piece does not come close to Warnock when it comes to camera time and the Chesire cat come Shylock smile spreads over his face. In his first season in the Premier the Mr Angry was modified by some home grown PR and we see what we have today. You can't try and disguise the fact he comes over as obnoxious to fans, even your own.

 

Warnock took a dislike to Saints after a cup game at the Dell against Sheffield United under Hoddle. He went off on one big time, for a game in which was relatively a good, clean game. But something triggered him that evening and when the pressure reached it's climax, he totally lost it over some inconsequentiality. Subsequently he has wasted little opportunity to lace up the boots when Saints come into view. It's not us with him, but the opposite and I know very few fans that don't respond to such a loveable figure.

[Badger]

100% agree with that.

 

Looks like Warmock has got a few people wound up on here which is funny, whats even funnier is that Saints fans would love him if he got them promoted to the PL.As for Puncheon, that was off as soon as tightwads B&E were gone.

 

Dyer worked out fine, hes on a pay as you play deal, low risk, high reward. Hes not paid if hes injured.

 

Warnock is one of the few managers that are hated at his own club even when successful. I recall him getting Plymouth promoted and fans were delighted to see the back of him.

 

He and Barton are well suited.

[Flyer]

Warnock is one of the few managers that are hated at his own club even when successful. I recall him getting Plymouth promoted and fans were delighted to see the back of him.

 

He and Barton are well suited.

 

Hes loved at QPR, thats all that matters to me. I like him, hes a straight talker and not a walking cliche machine.

 

From wiki

 

"The final was the first match that the club had played at Wembley Stadium. A header from Ronnie Mauge on 65 minutes gave Argyle a 1–0 win over Darlington and promotion to Division Two.

 

In February 1997, Warnock was surprisingly sacked as Argyle manager despite his popularity with the supporters."

 

Cortese played hardball and lost. QPR still got rid of their player for a good price, Saints are still stuck with their player eating up wages and now have to find another player to sign.

[Chin Strain]

In tonight’s (Friday) Echo Neil Warnock is critical of Saints attempts to sign Gorkss which he describes as “messy”.

He says “we had Southampton messing about for 3 weeks and to be honest I’d had enough of that. Brian McDermott was magnificent when he spoke to me. Then within 5 minutes he was talking to the player, within 2 hours was having a meal with him and then he signed him. That’s the way to do business. At Southampton we had a chairman who was talking to us for weeks and weeks and I am delighted Kaspars has now gone to Reading. It’s a good club”.

 

Just letting people know what is being said in the Echo. Don’t shoot the messenger and yes I know Warnock is an utter arse.

 

The trouble is, you're not really 'just letting people know what is being said in the Echo'. You're posting it, and bringing it to the attention of the rest of us because it fits with your views of the Chairman.

 

Come on FF, you're better than that.

[um pahars]

The trouble is, you're not really 'just letting people know what is being said in the Echo'. You're posting it, and bringing it to the attention of the rest of us because it fits with your views of the Chairman.

 

Come on FF, you're better than that.

 

A few more people read The Echo than this website.

 

So what you're suggesting is a blanket ban on any potential "bad news" from every being reproduced on here. Welcome to North Korea!!!!

[so22saint]

Warnock is one of the few managers that are hated at his own club even when successful. I recall him getting Plymouth promoted and fans were delighted to see the back of him.

 

He and Barton are well suited.

 

When I was at the FA a couple of weeks back, he parked next to me - he's got a lovely Aston Martin.

 

the arse (jealousy is indeed involved in that statement)

[Legod Third Coming]

Hes loved at QPR, thats all that matters to me. I like him, hes a straight talker and not a walking cliche machine.

 

From wiki

 

"The final was the first match that the club had played at Wembley Stadium. A header from Ronnie Mauge on 65 minutes gave Argyle a 1–0 win over Darlington and promotion to Division Two.

 

In February 1997, Warnock was surprisingly sacked as Argyle manager despite his popularity with the supporters."

 

Cortese played hardball and lost. QPR still got rid of their player for a good price, Saints are still stuck with their player eating up wages and now have to find another player to sign.

 

I like Warnock - although it's not popular to say so. He talks a lot of ******** mind. And all he wants to do is say he got the best deal for QPR.

Whether he did time will tell.

As it will if and when Joey Barton starts picking up red cards...

[Frank's cousin]

I don't necessarily agree with all of that, but I do know what you mean.

 

However, that has little or nothing to do with...

 

 

 

We simply don't know what happened, and 'messed around' to one person is 'due diligence' to another.

 

Our standards and processes are seemingly different to what many other clubs might expect now... we've had comments from agents saying that we're 'difficult to deal with' but that doesn't make it wrong. It just makes it our way. Football is notorious for it's 'old skool' views and opinions, and it takes a lot for new ways and people to be accepted. Were we to understand what has transpired we may well agree with Warnock, but that equally doesn't make it wrong. I've already disagreed with how the club have done various new things since Cortese came in but if the club succeeds and does so in an evolutionary rather than revolutionary way, then I feel we have to respect that.

 

Judgement will ultimately come at the end of the season and be based largely on league position, and over the next few years. Not on one transfer deal.

 

This... Top post... The reason we are probably 'difficult'to deal with is that we conduct these things professionally, doing our due diligence and are not going to be held to ransome by some ****wit agent, player or manager. The fact that QPR let Warnock comment in public on transfer dealings suggest old school and ****wits of the highest order... I suspect we will lose out on a few because we are not 'oiling the wheels' and ensuring agents and signing on 'fees' are provided in brown envelopes.... QPR can go **** themselves as far as I am concerned and Warnock is just being a prat or the highest order

[PaulGilchrist_76]

Why the criticism of Cortese? Has everyone forgotten about the cash-happy approach we took that ultimately left us on the brink of folding? If anything, it's a breath of fresh air having someone so business-savvy and prudent in charge - and we're top of the division!

 

Lowe was very prudent!

[so22saint]

Lowe was very prudent!

 

With transfers yes. Paying himself a massive packet in wages in dividends, no

[hackedoff]

At the end of the day, Gorkss has gone to a rival club and we are still paying wages to a player that is no good to us.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Have no problem with Warnock,but one has to remember that he is a Yorkshireman and that they are always right.[Apart from my late father,who was also one,but luckily was

a very big exception to this rule].

 

As my Yorkie mate used to say..."Everyone's entitled to a Yorkshireman's opinion"

[Chin Strain]

A few more people read The Echo than this website.

 

So what you're suggesting is a blanket ban on any potential "bad news" from every being reproduced on here. Welcome to North Korea!!!!

 

Er, what? Where did I say that then?

 

Posting bad news isn't an issue (if you consider it bad news - maybe we weren't prepared to pay over the odds...does that make us difficult?), but FF, known to have a bit of an axe to grind with NC (or at least not fully behind the 'regime') decides to post this here and says 'just letting you know, don't shoot the messenger'. Right, so by saying that we should all think he's not having a dig?

 

Behave yourself.

Edited 26 August, 2011 by Chin Strain

[Plumstead_Saint]

QPR stockpiling gits

 

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/qpr-stockpiling-gits-201108254237/

Spot on.

Cheers

[um pahars]

Right, so by saying that we should all think he's not having a dig?

 

He's said nothing apart from highlighting the piece and putting up a link, so I didn't interpret it as a dig. Methinks you might be the one tilting at windmills.

[Hedgehog]

A win today and then we will think why do we need these extra people, we can still do it with the players we have got. Why do we feel the need to have to buy player A, B C . Why such a rush this year to get to the prem?

[fareham saint phil]

I think if we really want a player then we go out and get him on our terms which i like, we are not here to make other clubs happy, look after number one

 

and i dont give a **** what warnock says or thinks hes not at our club so **** him, maybe we just didnt really want gorkess as much as qpr wanted us to

[skintsaint]

Brian McDermott was magnificent when he spoke to me. Then within 5 minutes he was talking to the player, within 2 hours was having a meal with him and then he signed him. That’s the way to do business.

 

Thats the way to do business if selling....if buying I'm glad we dont rush in and buy a player within 3 hours from scratch.

[Chin Strain]

He's said nothing apart from highlighting the piece and putting up a link, so I didn't interpret it as a dig. Methinks you might be the one tilting at windmills.

 

Oh, ok, so FF has a history of digs at NC, and sticks Warnock's quotes up in lights, yet I'm tilting at windmills.

 

He's had a swipe at NC, and you don't appear to be able to read between the lines.

[Chin Strain]

Thats the way to do business if selling....if buying I'm glad we dont rush in and buy a player within 3 hours from scratch.

 

Agreed. After all this is Reading who have flogged their best centre half a month or so ago, and haven't yet replaced him. They're probably very keen to do business. If we'd have sold Fonte for big bucks several weeks ago, we'd have been in a different position and very keen to do business quickly, and probably at the value that would have suited QPR. The difference is, we're not desperate.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

You have to remember that for all his business experience the Don is still a relative newcomer when it comes to the strange world of English football. Not so long ago we were signing good players (Such as Lambert or Fonte) for around a £1m - and that was quite enough to win us promotion out of the 3rd Division and a wonderful day out at Wembley. It's quite a sobering mental adjustment to make went it suddenly dawns on you that to get players good enough to take the next step up you may need to spend 5 times that amount, or more.

 

Football makes no sense as a business - just look at the situation that even a well run club such as Everton are in. Decades of uninterrupted Premier league income, a decent squad of players, and one of the best young managers in the British game - and yet for all of that their reward is to find themselves mid-table and more or less broke. It seems to me that we've missed out on players this summer because we are desperately trying to find some real value in this crazy market - unfortunately the higher you rise in the game the less value it seems to offer.

 

I've consistently said (arguing from a emotional standpoint) that I want to see this grand old club back where it belongs among the elite clubs of English football. But sometimes a man has to wonder whether it might just be better to curb our enthusiasm, park our Stalinist 5 year plan, and look to build a stable Championship club instead.

Edited 27 August, 2011 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE

[um pahars]

Oh, ok, so FF has a history of digs at NC, and sticks Warnock's quotes up in lights, yet I'm tilting at windmills.

 

He's had a swipe at NC, and you don't appear to be able to read between the lines.

 

So if you've criticised NC in the past you are not allowed to post links to any articles with a hint of negativity.

 

So by the same token anyone who has praised NC should not be allowed to post links to positive articles????

 

Had he put a slant on the story then you might have a point, but instead he even went out of his way to call Warnock an ar5e with no other padding around the link.

 

I do hope you're going to chastise the other poster on the Gorkss thread who also posted the link (I think a third poster posted it somewhere else as well).

[Legod Third Coming]

You have to remember that for all his business experience the Don is still a relative newcomer when it comes to the strange world of English football. Not so long ago we were signing good players (Such as Lambert or Fonte) for around a £1m - and that was quite enough to win us promotion out of the 3rd Division and a wonderful day out at Wembley. It's quite a sobering mental adjustment to make went it suddenly dawns on you that to get players good enough to take the next step up you may need to spend 5 times that amount, or more.

 

Football makes no sense as a business - just look at the situation that even a well run club such as Everton are in. Decades of uninterrupted Premier league income, a decent squad of players, and one of the best young managers in the British game - and yet for all of that their reward is to find themselves mid-table and more or less broke. It seems to me that we've missed out on players this summer because we are desperately trying to find some real value in this crazy market - unfortunately the higher you rise in the game the less value it seems to offer.

 

I've consistently said (arguing from a emotional standpoint) that I want to see this grand old club back where it belongs among the elite clubs of English football. But sometimes a man has to wonder whether it might just be better to curb our enthusiasm, park our Stalinist 5 year plan, and look to build a stable Championship club instead.

 

A very well reasoned argument. Apart from, in my view, the situation that happens when you attempt to stabilise and that is, that often you actually go backwards.

Why? Because while you're busy stabilising, the clubs around you are investing to improve. Some will fail and some will succeed and the latter obviously improve past you.

I'm not sure there is such a thing as a 'level - this mythical thing that club chairmen seem to pursue.

But what there is, without doubt, is better.

So if you are forever focused on being better, whatever that takes, you won't go far wrong.

And that doesn't have to mean always spending more, but it does require asking the question - will this decision improve my football club...

[SaintRobbie]

We obviously took weeks as we didn't want the player enough. He was clearly a back up plan. So who cares?

[Johnny Shearer]

100% agree with that.

 

Looks like Warmock has got a few people wound up on here which is funny, whats even funnier is that Saints fans would love him if he got them promoted to the PL.

 

As for Puncheon, that was off as soon as tightwads B&E were gone.

 

Dyer worked out fine, hes on a pay as you play deal, low risk, high reward. Hes not paid if hes injured.

 

To be fair that could be said of practically any manager if promotion was the case.

 

And Puncheon can stay in the reserves - shows that the club now doesnt take any crap from players!

[Secret Site Agent]

I like and respect Warnock as a man and manager. Hard to disagree with him if you ask me, and I'm sure he has far more experience on how football transfers are conducted than Cortese ever will.

 

Yes like this;

NW: Listen here, Nicol Arse, you're gonna give us 3.5 million, now you sold Oxy, and Punchbag for free. You can pay the agent 200k as well. THAT is how it's always been done, and you're do it.

 

NC: Sorry, that is bad business. Fargov. We leave now.

 

 

Oh, yes. He knows better how football transfers go. But not how to do business, i think.

[Minsk]

The trouble is, you're not really 'just letting people know what is being said in the Echo'. You're posting it, and bringing it to the attention of the rest of us because it fits with your views of the Chairman.

 

Come on FF, you're better than that.

 

No, he's really not.

 

As soon as I saw who had started the thread I knew it would be something which he thought painted our club, and chairman, in a bad light.

[sadoldgit]

Possibly hedging his bets and decided on the other fella who was also didn't sign in the end. Oh well, there will be another at some point.

[Chin Strain]

So if you've criticised NC in the past you are not allowed to post links to any articles with a hint of negativity.

 

So by the same token anyone who has praised NC should not be allowed to post links to positive articles????

 

Had he put a slant on the story then you might have a point, but instead he even went out of his way to call Warnock an ar5e with no other padding around the link.

 

I do hope you're going to chastise the other poster on the Gorkss thread who also posted the link (I think a third poster posted it somewhere else as well).

 

I think you're missing the point. Axe to grind = FF's post. 'Please don't shoot the messenger'...... yeah right....you're the mug here UP.....sometimes people post here to suit their agenda....don't be so naive.

[Chin Strain]

No, he's really not.

 

As soon as I saw who had started the thread I knew it would be something which he thought painted our club, and chairman, in a bad light.

 

Exactly. Um Pahars.....any thoughts?

[Flyer]

QPR stockpiling gits

 

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/qpr-stockpiling-gits-201108254237/

 

Its coming true, weve made a move for Bellamy!

[Badger]

Barton & Bellamy in the same dressing room , that will keep the harmony in the dressing room.

 

Good luck.

[Saint_Ash]

No, he's really not.

 

As soon as I saw who had started the thread I knew it would be something which he thought painted our club, and chairman, in a bad light.

 

This.

 

Funny, somehow I knew it wouldn't be a praising post. Don't see FF starting threads with articles praising the chairman do we? Wonder why that is... missing out on some privileges now perhaps?