Fitzhugh Fella Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 In tonight’s (Friday) Echo Neil Warnock is critical of Saints attempts to sign Gorkss which he describes as “messy”. He says “we had Southampton messing about for 3 weeks and to be honest I’d had enough of that. Brian McDermott was magnificent when he spoke to me. Then within 5 minutes he was talking to the player, within 2 hours was having a meal with him and then he signed him. That’s the way to do business. At Southampton we had a chairman who was talking to us for weeks and weeks and I am delighted Kaspars has now gone to Reading. It’s a good club”. Just letting people know what is being said in the Echo. Don’t shoot the messenger and yes I know Warnock is an utter arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Interesting but like you say Warnock is an arse. In fact i'll raise you and say warnock is an utter ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 This has been posted in the gorkss thread yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLT's Headed Goals Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 He's just in a sulk because we didn't let Puncheon go there for £3.50 when they were skint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Sour Grapes by Warnock because Cortese isn't a push over maybe! I would rather we negotiate well and get value rather than capitulate to silly valuations. I am happy to let our manager and chairman judge value When all the silly clubs have used up their funds there will be much better value available! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Seems that we were trying to do a swap deal but QPR were having none of it. I did hear that NA and NC had a little bus up over it as he was a top target Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 I like and respect Warnock as a man and manager. Hard to disagree with him if you ask me, and I'm sure he has far more experience on how football transfers are conducted than Cortese ever will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Colin is a prat. If we have annoyed him, great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 He was very critical of us after NC sacked his mate Pardew too. He seems a little old school too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 I like and respect Warnock as a man and manager. Hard to disagree with him if you ask me, and I'm sure he has far more experience on how football transfers are conducted than Cortese ever will. I dont agree! we are hard negotiaters and value every pound spent and that is the correct way to do buisiness. I remember the way we used to squander what little we had on average players at best in the past and am glad we are being more prudent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Funny how Warnock is not saying the same of Joey Barton, who has asked for more "thinking time" over his transfer to QPR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Warnock has the type of face that I just want to slap. Add his attitude to that and here you have a recipe for a serious tw*tting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Not sure I wish to take seriously the words of a man who behaves like a spoilt child who has just been told 'no', and whose post-match response to the paying fans who had turned up to support QPR when they lost to Rochdale was that he was "glad to be out of the competition." Other managers may think this, but only an immature arse like Warnock would be dim enough to say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 I like Warnock a lot. His reputation for being unlikeable overshadows his achievements as a manager, because his record for getting teams promoted is amazing. I also like his interviews, he's honest, too honest at times, but I prefer people to be that way than cloak & dagger like Wenger To suggest Cortese messed around too much is almost certainly true. I suspect Jemal would say the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 I like Warnock a lot. His reputation for being unlikeable overshadows his achievements as a manager, because his record for getting teams promoted is amazing. I also like his interviews, he's honest, too honest at times, but I prefer people to be that way than cloak & dagger like Wenger To suggest Cortese messed around too much is almost certainly true. I suspect Jemal would say the same thing A fair post and most likely true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailOB Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 His version of events maybe true. Having not seen the echo piece, did they ask Warnock when he would be sitting Puncheon down for a meal ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 I like Warnock a lot. His reputation for being unlikeable overshadows his achievements as a manager, because his record for getting teams promoted is amazing. I also like his interviews, he's honest, too honest at times, but I prefer people to be that way than cloak & dagger like Wenger I don't necessarily agree with all of that, but I do know what you mean. However, that has little or nothing to do with... To suggest Cortese messed around too much is almost certainly true. I suspect Jemal would say the same thing We simply don't know what happened, and 'messed around' to one person is 'due diligence' to another. Our standards and processes are seemingly different to what many other clubs might expect now... we've had comments from agents saying that we're 'difficult to deal with' but that doesn't make it wrong. It just makes it our way. Football is notorious for it's 'old skool' views and opinions, and it takes a lot for new ways and people to be accepted. Were we to understand what has transpired we may well agree with Warnock, but that equally doesn't make it wrong. I've already disagreed with how the club have done various new things since Cortese came in but if the club succeeds and does so in an evolutionary rather than revolutionary way, then I feel we have to respect that. Judgement will ultimately come at the end of the season and be based largely on league position, and over the next few years. Not on one transfer deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 I like Warnock a lot. His reputation for being unlikeable overshadows his achievements as a manager, because his record for getting teams promoted is amazing. I also like his interviews, he's honest, too honest at times, but I prefer people to be that way than cloak & dagger like Wenger To suggest Cortese messed around too much is almost certainly true. I suspect Jemal would say the same thing But we have to accept that Warnock is only seeing one side of the story. I'm sure there were other factors in play (probably outside of ours and QPRs control), so it might not be all down to our failings. I certainly don't think Warnock is lying, but he isn't privy to why we were stalling/delaying. It certainly doesn't sound ideal, but then again nor does Puncheon going the other way, and we have had some previous on this before. However, ultimately results on the pitch will take precedence and Adkins and Cortese will be judged by them. If they fall away and a lack of a decent centre half is believed to be one of the problems then they might face some questions, but if they carry on doing well, then this deal falling apart will mean nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 I'd like to remind everyone of the Danny Fox transfer, which (from the horses mouth) happened in less than 24 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Funny how Warnock is not saying the same of Joey Barton, who has asked for more "thinking time" over his transfer to QPR. This. Warnock is looking purely from QPR's perspective- he wanted the cash asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 It does make you wonder about our other failed transfer targets in the last few weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Carry on Mr Cortese it must be difficult doing business with the likes of Warnock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Why the criticism of Cortese? Has everyone forgotten about the cash-happy approach we took that ultimately left us on the brink of folding? If anything, it's a breath of fresh air having someone so business-savvy and prudent in charge - and we're top of the division! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 I don't believe a word of what Warnock said. We are much more decisive in the transfer market and proved that this summer with the signing of the likes of Cork and others. More than likely we were never interested in Gorks for the whole 3 weeks he stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Gorks is either a target or he isn't unless someting turns up during negotiations (fitness or injury etc).....Warnock has a point in my view. Not criticising anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so22saint Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 QPR stockpiling gits http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/qpr-stockpiling-gits-201108254237/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Blatent sulk over punch from a grade a **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Interesting but like you say Warnock is an arse. In fact i'll raise you and say warnock is an utter ****. Warnock really that bad? Can think of much worse people in football. Been a few of these stories now - there is a fine line between being tough to get the best deal for Saints and p****g off people you're trying to do business with or attract to the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 "messing about" means us hard balling them over Puncheon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 This has been posted in the gorkss thread yesterday. Good spot. How dare this poster not check the countless pages of the gorkss thread to check if this was in there, before starting this thread. Wind your neck in you tiresome numpty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Jazzbo Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 To some degree this sounds like Hitler complaining that Stalin was difficult to deal with. I suspect its 6 of one half a dozen of the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 To some degree this sounds like Hitler complaining that Stalin was difficult to deal with. I suspect its 6 of one half a dozen of the other. WTF have you done!!!!!!!!!!!!! You do realise the sanctimonious possee will soon be out in force slaughtering you over the use of such an offensive analogy!!!!! Comparing Warnock with Hitler, and low and behold, comparing Cortese with Stalin. (PS Godwin's Law is invoked) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 To some degree this sounds like Hitler complaining that Stalin was difficult to deal with. I suspect its 6 of one half a dozen of the other. Good analogy. I'm sure that the Puncheon issue was closely involved in the farting around on this deal for 3 weeks, although in the end it was other factors, as per Latvian posters comments from Gorkss that we were seeking another option. Shame that it took too long to resolve in my view, but doubt 3 cweeks are down to us. Warnock really that bad? Can think of much worse people in football. Been a few of these stories now - there is a fine line between being tough to get the best deal for Saints and p****g off people you're trying to do business with or attract to the club. Yes, Warnock is a c^nt, of that there is no doubt. Whilst I like Cortese, I share your concern that we do appear to unnecessarily ruffle a few feathers in our dealings. We have even managed to p!ss Eastleigh off. Some may say who cares, who are they,why should we be bothered, but the next time they have an Aarron Martin on their books I would rather they assist him coming to us, rather than elsewhere.Remember the old adage "be careful who you upset on the way up, you might meet them again on the way down". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Not concerned with what Warnock has to say I just want the best for SFC so if we drive a hard bargain & want any potential signing to be up to our standards so be it, we have seen what not getting value for money has done to us in the past & the fish fiddlers recently. I am not suggesting that NC is easy or very nice to deal with & lot's of people do not like him but you have to say he is 100% commited to getting the best for Saints as he see's it & is doing alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 It is possible to drive a hard bargain, and get the best for yourself, without causing bad feeling and 'ruffling feathers'. I'm not saying NC is or isn't doing the latter, I just hope that NC is able to do this, and both maintains and gets respect for/from others whilst doing his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Ultimately, if a negotiation fails it's because both sides are not prepared to compromise any further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Interesting but like you say Warnock is an arse. In fact i'll raise you and say warnock is an utter ****. More to the point he's always had a downer on Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 I like and respect Warnock as a man and manager. Hard to disagree with him if you ask me, and I'm sure he has far more experience on how football transfers are conducted than Cortese ever will. QPR haven't spent the last six weeks without buying Puncheon then! Another one sided comment from Warnock, never one to get confused by the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 I'm happy if Saints have upset Colin ****** as he is the biggest whinger in football. Some of us are old enough to know about his past history in the game and despise the tosser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 If we wanted him that badly I doubt we would have messed about, my guess is that he was further down the wanted list than some other targets. I believe we have someone better in our sights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Colin's book was interesting but this is utter tosh from him. He's a hypocrite: 1) Gorkss was one of his key players that got him up so just dumps him without a chance 2) Has messed around on Puncheon and doesn't care about a player that is clearly out of favour with Adkins 3) QPR have just been promoted to Premier League and £1m for someone who did well on loan at that level shouldn't be an issue. Unless of course you are a tinpot club and a tinpot manager. Perhaps we should give Wally Downes, Gary Megson and Stan Ternant free tickets next time we play a Neil Warnock side at home.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Seems that we were trying to do a swap deal but QPR were having none of it. I did hear that NA and NC had a little bus up over it as he was a top target Didn't QPR put forward the swop but their player said he wanted to stay and fight for his place in the Premiership until he realised he wasn't going to get a game in the Premier. Jemal was a long time ago and we were looking for a centreback long before QPR offered Gorkss. It sounds more like QPR and Gorkss messing around than Cortese especially as they weren't able to do transfers until Fernandez bought in less than a week ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 What the numpty doesn't seem to accept, is that in any negotiation, it is far less complicated when somebody wishes to buy anything for sale and finds somebody else wishing to sell that item. Such was the case between QPR and Reading. Uncomplicated, straightforward, a done deal in five minutes. On the other hand, the Gorkss deal was rather different, as he was proposed as a bargaining chip in QPR's bid for Puncheon, so naturally there is far more in the way of horse-trading as each party attempts to get the maximum advantage, both sides negotiating positions weakened because they wish to offload those players deemed to be surplus to their requirements. As I posted on that article, all very well the deal being finalised quickly from the point of view of the seller, whose opinion is that it is the best way to do business. But not the best way for an astute businessman to proceed when buying a product, unless they wish to forego due diligence and ignore caveat emptor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir woody Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Didn't QPR put forward the swop but their player said he wanted to stay and fight for his place in the Premiership until he realised he wasn't going to get a game in the Premier. Jemal was a long time ago and we were looking for a centreback long before QPR offered Gorkss. It sounds more like QPR and Gorkss messing around than Cortese especially as they weren't able to do transfers until Fernandez bought in less than a week ago. Jemal falied his medical - we didn't even get involved in negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Sounds like the Echo trying to wind up Cortese and Warnock providing them with the ammo. I heard that Ian Murray was recently bemoaning the lack of access to SMS, funny way of going about rectifying the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Jemal falied his medical - we didn't even get involved in negotiations. That's not what you said before ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 So Warnock thinks that Cortese is a c#nt, TBF he is well qualified to judge as he has been working with Briatore and Ecclestone for the last couple of years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailOB Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 When you rush transfers you end up with players like Kieron Dyer - how did that work out for QPR ? Seems obvious that Saints are looking for certain standard of players at a certain age (around 25) who can grow / improve with the team, and possibly retain some sell on value if need be. Gorkss will turn 30 this season and was allegedly wanting a 3 yr contract. I wouldn't say he was a 'top' target especially when we have started rather well and are giving our current CBs time to show what they can do. Whereas Reading, after their start and after selling Matt Mills, appear a little more desperate. I still believe another CB would be good but certainly not ready to slit wrists because we didn't get Gorkss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 I'm happy enough We have brought in good players on our terms...we may have missed out on other players because they or their clubs didn't like our terms. If they don't it seems that they whinge while we move on and announce when something actually does happen. The latter is professional, the former is not. And yes, Colin is a t*sser with an anti-Saints agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 I'm happy enough We have brought in good players on our terms...we may have missed out on other players because they or their clubs didn't like our terms. If they don't it seems that they whinge while we move on and announce when something actually does happen. The latter is professional, the former is not. And yes, Colin is a t*sser with an anti-Saints agenda Agreed, we have more than enough in our current squad to achieve our aims this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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