Pilchards Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 So we messed up with Gorkks by trying to get Fontaine instead, seriously now are we really that stupid to mess up a good option for someone with a known ankle injury? Perhaps we went for Fontaine knowing it was going to fail and that it was a way of saying to another team that if you don't except our bid for your CB we will go elsewhere? It does not add up somehow and I still hold on to the thought we will get our good CB in from whoever because it was a good offer we made them in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary r Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 why are you always looking for the bad in everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 One of my thoughts is that we're now a lot more choosy about what type of characters come to us. We obviously can't get a good idea of a players character/motivation until we start talking to them. Maybe once bids accepted these players are not meeting the requirements somehow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 To be fair to Pilchards, we really could do with a quality CB for a season-long push for a top 6 finish, IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 This sort of thing happens all the time at every club. GET OVER IT It will happen again FFS. FWIW, Gorkss, is a carbon copy of a player we already have here in Jaidi, and Seaborne has had a couple of decent games, lets just wait and see what happens before condemning it all shall we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 24 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 24 August, 2011 why are you always looking for the bad in everything But I do find it bad saying to one class defender we don't want you as we are going for someone else but he has a bad ankle, it's bad which ever way you look at it! It's just out of character of Cortese because the guy is clicked on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmysaint7 Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 I personally don't understand why people get so wrapped up with things like this,we didn't buy him so end of story.why is it peoples obsession with knowing every little detail about every situation within sfc,I would suggest that if people wanna know everything buy yourself a football club and away u go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 I personally don't understand why people get so wrapped up with things like this,we didn't buy him so end of story.why is it peoples obsession with knowing every little detail about every situation within sfc,I would suggest that if people wanna know everything buy yourself a football club and away u go! A strange comment when you're on a message board commenting on it Human nature to talk about it; nothing sinister in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 But I do find it bad saying to one class defender we don't want you as we are going for someone else but he has a bad ankle, it's bad which ever way you look at it! It's just out of character of Cortese because the guy is clicked on. He may have been exactly what we needed, then Adkins may have changed his mind, you don't exactly know the ins and outs, Gorkss may have had injury problems to, or wanted too much money etc. Lets just wait and see shall we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 I believe there will be a better option than the aforementioned in european football land that we are already working on. It's as simple as that. We draw a blue line under this and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Once Michael Owen signs - we'll be fine, believe he was seen getting off a plane at Aberdeen today, but as we all know, you can get a connecting flight from Aberdeen, via East Midlands Airport, straight into Southampton. A nailed on cert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
explorer saint Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 This sort of thing happens all the time at every club. GET OVER IT It will happen again FFS. FWIW, Gorkss, is a carbon copy of a player we already have here in Jaidi, and Seaborne has had a couple of decent games, lets just wait and see what happens before condemning it all shall we. Why did we spend 2 days with the guy showing him round training facilities and local area plus he already apparently had digs sorted, if we weren't interested, something happened cant believe it was wages we obviously were keen to get him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 I believe there will be a better option than the aforementioned in european football land that we are already working on. It's as simple as that. We draw a blue line under this and move on. Not wishing to provoke an argument, but: If there is a BETTER option, why were we prepared to go to a medical with this player, which is usually the formality before signing a player? I definitely hope we have a contingency plan while this one fell through. But surely suggesting it's a good thing that this fell through, because there's someone better waiting in the wings, is a bit daft? Why wouldn't we just go for the other player in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 24 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 24 August, 2011 (edited) Edit ooops Edited 24 August, 2011 by Pilchards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 (edited) Phillipe Senderos!?! Just a guess bases on the Swiss connection. But I have a feeling it's probably Kilgallon - who at least has a cool name! The Jack Cork and Steve De Ridder signings were great - but I have to say the Billy Sharp fiasco, the signing of Danny Fox and the Fontaine debacle suggest are transfer strategy is in a bit of a mess. Fox didn't exactly look great against Millwall - certainly no better than Dickson or Joseph Mills. Why did we need 5 (now 4) left backs. Richardson also struggled against Millwall so perhaps we need a 4th right back (counting Jack Stephens) now as well! Edited 24 August, 2011 by Rebel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATERSIDEIFASAINT Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 I also hope we have a contingency plan as its seems strange to let Gorkss get away with no back up elsewhere.If we don't sign a quality cb and striker then I will question our ambition this season particularly as we have £15 million plus potentially in our transfer kitty.Can't understand why we would pay £1.8 million for Fox and not be willing to pay £2 million or £2.5 million for a decent cb.(maybe we will!?) Next 7 days will be fascinating but will point to what we are aiming for this season imo.Consolidation and we don't need new additions,top 6 and we need new cb and striker,top 2 add new winger to replace Puncheon/oxo and new right back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 I don't think Saints are so naive to get messed about without having other options etc. So far we have done ok, I'm sure we will get the right couple of players in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 (edited) Phillipe Senderos!?! Swiss Tony? Edited 24 August, 2011 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssaints Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 I think we can be as excited about the next seven days in the transfer market as we can going back to when we first moved to SMS and suddenly started getting linked with all sorts. We thought we where going to be the new Middlesborough signing all the foriegn talent! I honestly think that we approach each transfer as a business dealing purely. We agree a fee, they have a sit down with Nigel and Nicola we tell them of the vision and how they will fit in, then I would hope they get the third degree to check they are hungry and want to play for us, then they are offered terms and then a medical. It's not like signing for Man City where we can afford a £25 million pound bench warmer. I think the first step is scouting from there on it goes from football to business. If we are not happy with it as a business transaction it doesn't happen. I hope they are business based deals as we do not need to make rash signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly Smunt Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Phillipe Senderos!?! Is he not happy starting for Fulham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Thought this was going to be a thread about the happy slapping steward from Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Our business does look a bit messy of late, but it's not worth wetting yourselves or slagging anyone off until the window has closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Chill still a week left when has nic and nige ever let us down before ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 I reckon Kilgallon has always been our target & the whole Fontaine thing was a nudge to him to get a move on. Ipswich look like signing Sonko, and they were one side looking at Kilgallon, so maybe this will proceed now? Could he be Killer Mk 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 24 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 24 August, 2011 I reckon Kilgallon has always been our target & the whole Fontaine thing was a nudge to him to get a move on. Ipswich look like signing Sonko' date=' and they were one side looking at Kilgallon, so maybe this will proceed now? Could he be Killer Mk 2?[/quote'] Getting warm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 One of my thoughts is that we're now a lot more choosy about what type of characters come to us. We obviously can't get a good idea of a players character/motivation until we start talking to them. Maybe once bids accepted these players are not meeting the requirements somehow? I'm sure you are right about this and whether NA believes they will take their place on the bus without upsetting others already on it by either attitude,application or wage demands. Probably referred to between NA and NC as to "do they pass the Puncheon test ?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 I reckon Kilgallon has always been our target & the whole Fontaine thing was a nudge to him to get a move on. Ipswich look like signing Sonko' date=' and they were one side looking at Kilgallon, so maybe this will proceed now? Could he be Killer Mk 2?[/quote'] Why would Kilgallon be delaying a move, he wants out and there don't seem too many takers ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Phillipe Senderos!?! Just a guess bases on the Swiss connection. But I have a feeling it's probably Kilgallon - who at least has a cool name! The Jack Cork and Steve De Ridder signings were great - but I have to say the Billy Sharp fiasco, the signing of Danny Fox and the Fontaine debacle suggest are transfer strategy is in a bit of a mess. Fox didn't exactly look great against Millwall - certainly no better than Dickson or Joseph Mills. Why did we need 5 (now 4) left backs. Richardson also struggled against Millwall so perhaps we need a 4th right back (counting Jack Stephens) now as well! The transfer situation is a mess. We should have had a strategy and sorted things out over the summer. I don't care what people say or the abuse i get, but our lack of organisation comitment and ambition will certanly cost us promotion. I stick by my prediction 17th ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 ....but I have to say the Billy Sharp fiasco, the signing of Danny Fox and the Fontaine debacle suggest are transfer strategy is in a bit of a mess. Fox didn't exactly look great against Millwall - certainly no better than Dickson or Joseph Mills. Why did we need 5 (now 4) left backs. How was Sharp's transfer a fiasco? Because he allegedly wanted more money than was reasonable? What's the problem with Fox's transfer and why is checking out Fontaine's ankle a 'debacle'?? There is nothing wrong with our transfer strategy at all. Unless of course you want overpaid, ageing and crocked players at Saints. We need people who fit in, not bodies who will rock the boat or be a burden. Sounds eminently sensible to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Getting warm! Warm? Another Sunderland player? Bramble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 The transfer situation is a mess. We should have had a strategy and sorted things out over the summer. I don't care what people say or the abuse i get, but our lack of organisation comitment and ambition will certanly cost us promotion. I stick by my prediction 17th ! To stop you being a totally unfunny wind-up merchant, will you take this bet? You think we'll finish 17th. I don't. So how about this. I'll say we'll finish in 1st place (I don't think we will, but go with it). If we finish closer to 17th place than 1st place, I will make a £500 donation to a charity of your choice. If we finish closer to 1st place than 17th, you make a £500 donation to a charity of my choice. Would you like to stand by your convictions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Why would Kilgallon be delaying a move, he wants out and there don't seem too many takers ? Steve Bruce said earlier this week that there were Championship sides interested - plural. Ipswich & Saints are 2 rumoured to have been interested; maybe there were more and this was us telling him to hurry up or we'll move on. All guesswork but Pilch, you're hinting that this could be close? Opinion or something stronger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 The transfer situation is a mess. We should have had a strategy and sorted things out over the summer. I don't care what people say or the abuse i get, but our lack of organisation comitment and ambition will certanly cost us promotion. I stick by my prediction 17th ! lol at this. The only thing that is evidenced as a mess is all the misguided speculation. I am not convinced Gorkks ever wanted to actually come to Saints. In my book we have an adequate squad to consolidate and maybe push for playoffs. Anything else is a bonus. Corks will prove to be the signing coup of the season. De Ridder will be up there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 But I do find it bad saying to one class defender we don't want you as we are going for someone else but he has a bad ankle, it's bad which ever way you look at it!It's just out of character of Cortese because the guy is clicked on. Do we really know that that was the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Phillipe Senderos!?! Just a guess bases on the Swiss connection. But I have a feeling it's probably Kilgallon - who at least has a cool name! The Jack Cork and Steve De Ridder signings were great - but I have to say the Billy Sharp fiasco, the signing of Danny Fox and the Fontaine debacle suggest are transfer strategy is in a bit of a mess. Fox didn't exactly look great against Millwall - certainly no better than Dickson or Joseph Mills. Why did we need 5 (now 4) left backs. Richardson also struggled against Millwall so perhaps we need a 4th right back (counting Jack Stephens) now as well! To be honest, neither did Lallana but (quite rightly) is anyone condemning him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Stimp Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 This sort of thing happens all the time at every club. GET OVER IT It will happen again FFS. Precisely. Information is spread so readily now through mediums like twitter, facebook etc that you hear a lot more about potential transfers these days. In reality, there's no real way to tell what information is reliable and what's unreliable. You think you know what's going on but it turns out you might not have a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadpanmatt Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 So we messed up with Gorkks by trying to get Fontaine instead, seriously now are we really that stupid to mess up a good option for someone with a known ankle injury? Perhaps we went for Fontaine knowing it was going to fail and that it was a way of saying to another team that if you don't except our bid for your CB we will go elsewhere? It does not add up somehow and I still hold on to the thought we will get our good CB in from whoever because it was a good offer we made them in the first place. One can only assume that the staff at Saints know more about football and what the team needs than you do. Unlikely I know, but it might be why they've got us top of the Championship and you're just posting about gossip on a fan forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 I'm sure you are right about this and whether NA believes they will take their place on the bus without upsetting others already on it by either attitude,application or wage demands. Probably referred to between NA and NC as to "do they pass the Puncheon test ?" Indeed. In Australia several Football Clubs have an official "no dickheads policy" - irrespective of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Indeed. In Australia several Football Clubs have an official "no dickheads policy" - irrespective of talent. That must be especially trying over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 That must be especially trying over there. Not really Benji ; the quota of "dic#heads" is roughly the same spanning all nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Well, I for one am with the OP. Why have we f**ked up a good transfer, that would have plugged our one significant hole, for a player of unknown quality with a gammy ankle ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Have the club actually said what players we were going for. No wonder they like doing things as quietly as possible, and only announcing deals once wrapped up. If we had a bad start to the season it may have been more of a concern, but who is not to say that the set up we have is not good enough? Yes plenty on this site, but I put my faith in those at the sharp end, ie. the manager and coaches at the club. Some people seem to think that if we don't get a certain player then it's all our fault. Do we ever get the real truth why a certain player opts for another club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Well, I for one am with the OP. Why have we f**ked up a good transfer, that would have plugged our one significant hole, for a player of unknown quality with a gammy ankle ? I find myself in agreement with Alpine Saint. I'm off for a wash after saying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Well, I for one am with the OP. Why have we f**ked up a good transfer, that would have plugged our one significant hole, for a player of unknown quality with a gammy ankle ? Just because we know little about him doesn't mean he is of unknown quality. I'm sure our scouts and Adkins would have known exactly what they needed to know about both Gorkss and Fontaine. This thread is mental, it really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Honestly; we were looking to buy a t-shirt from River Island but we always could have bought a Hugo Boss. Who gives a fook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westofshannonsaint Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 I really don't see the need for panic, the squad that has started this season is better than the one that finished last year. fair enough, we have missed out on one or two potential targets but this happens to every club. Everyone (including the club) knows that we need one or two players to complete our squad. it's important we bring in the right one or two. We don't want to panic buy, especially when we have players that cdaj when required. Over the last two years we have done good business in the loan/option to buy market, I expect this to continue & think that the window by no means ends on the last day of august..... what are the dates of the loan window?????? I have seen some on here (sorry, I don't take any heed of usernames) suggesting that if we don't improve the squad we will be fighting relegation. do these posters expect the squad to change straight away/before the end of the end of august? I expect 3/4 signings between now and the end of the season & still think that a good season will be if were fighting for a playoff place (although our unusual good start has me dreaming of a top 2 finish). all imho (don't get to go to games) of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Indeed. In Australia several Football Clubs have an official "no dickheads policy" - irrespective of talent. We have this at our cricket club (but several still get in every year, including me), careful what you wish for and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 25 August, 2011 Share Posted 25 August, 2011 Getting warm! Do you actually know or are you pretending to know?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 25 August, 2011 Share Posted 25 August, 2011 And I thought this was going to be about the female steward that gave the bloke a slap last Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 25 August, 2011 Share Posted 25 August, 2011 So pichards, what do you know - you quickly removed the post about hearing a bid for 2.5 million for a premioer league CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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