Scudamore Posted 25 October, 2008 Share Posted 25 October, 2008 Every successful revolution has started with the public taking to the streets. A mass protest outside St Marys after a match is the way to put pressure on Lowe and his cohorts to resign. I don't accept for one minute that Lowe is immune to properly orchestrated protest . It is important that everyone turns up to save our club and it must be covered by the press who I'm pretty sure share the view that the vast majority of us have that Lowe MUST BE DEPOSED. If this nonsense carrys on much longer there wil definately not be a club to save. Time is short we must all act now!! Yeah it's all they could talk about on Sky Sports News earlier... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 25 October, 2008 Share Posted 25 October, 2008 If you seriously want rid of Lowe then you realistically only have 2 options. 1. Buy shares and vote for his removal. 2. Deny him your money by ceasing to attend SMS (my preferred course of action). I'm already boycotting him but if all the other fans who want rid join in too then he'd be gone fairly soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Red Posted 25 October, 2008 Share Posted 25 October, 2008 If you seriously want rid of Lowe then you realistically only have 2 options. 1. Buy shares and vote for his removal. 2. Deny him your money by ceasing to attend SMS (my preferred course of action). I'm already boycotting him but if all the other fans who want rid join in too then he'd be gone fairly soon. This is the great problem....fan base stays away which will strangle RL but also force the club into administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted 25 October, 2008 Share Posted 25 October, 2008 There is one man/woman who can oust Lowe in the near future: the bank manager. And I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility. Lowe's 'revolution' may have looked like a hell of a gamble at the beginning of the season, but now, in the midst of an economic tsunami, it just seems reckless beyond belief. The twin prongs of swingeing cuts to running costs (jettisoning experienced and proven players) and buying (at considerable and baffling cost) 'potential' have BOTH failed. He hasn't been able to cut anywhere near enough to bring a ballooning overdraft under control, despite the lasting damage the cuts have already done; and his gamble on unproven young players has run expensively into the sand. All of which has created the football equivalent of a run on the bank: fans have stopped going to games. Barclays will no doubt be asking themselves to what extent they can continue to bail out a small football club haemorrhaging money, talent AND support. Administration is not an attractive answer to a bank wanting to get its money back. So the bank may insist on changes to the way the club is run that could effectively draw an end to Lowe's revolution - and, I can only hope, to Lowe himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 Is it possible? Is there any way we can oust him? Any way at all? Too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 F@ck it. November 5th is still a week away. We should build a fack off big bonfire right in the centre circle at St Marys and f@cking burn Lowe alive like the f@cking traitor he his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie2008 Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 Surely someone has access to a bonfire display. Contact the media/post photo's on the web of a realistic effigy getting torched and loads of Saint's fans cheering. Seems to stir things up elsewhere in the world...(but we may not get away with it on the street). Bonfire night on Wednesday week; better start advertising... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 Although we have not got relegated yet with the team totally lacking confidence it does seem likely that we will be relegated again. I know people want Lowe out and I would be surprised if he really wants to run a failing football club I certainly would not and other people such as Hone Wilde Hoos and Crouch have failed as well. That I think is the problem with the country in recession it is unlikely that anybody would want to invest in SFC as it is not an attractive proposition. Boycotting the club and demonstrating although very popular I think would have an adverse affect on the team and its players as well as the finances. Administration would seriously affect the non playing staff and local businesses which supply goods and services to St Mary's as well as fans who would have worthless shares. Of course Lowe Crouch and Wilde would lose money but as they seem to various other incomes they would probably be OK. Whats more the grass is always greener on the other side Wilde ousted Lowe and has made the situation even worse. I am just totally depressed and reading this forum makes it worse but what can realistically be done failing to beat Derby in the play offs has turned out to be an utter disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerox Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 Stop going to the games, if you were mug enough to buy an st, take it back, you are funding this shower of s1ht!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_John Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 As people have stated above moaning on here is will get you nowhere. The 2 things that might make a difference are :- (1) If you read ITN page 230-231 it shows that in 1993 that the moaning and demos at the Dell not no effect. The board issued a statement in August; there was a big demo for Sky TV in Oct etc. but it GOT NOWHERE. Come the 8th Dec and only 9028 turned up for the Ipswich game followed by a 11k (2k away fans) for the QPR game 3 days later and Lawrie was back in within a couple of days. There was a change of manager soon afterwards. The only thing they are interested in is money, if you “turn off the tap” they will start to listen to the fans (the TRUE owners of Saints not the Shareholders). (2) A second thing to do is to write to Barclays Bank at Reading (address in the accounts) telling them that attendance figures are down by 26% because of Lowe, and if they want to see any return on the overdraft then THEY NEED TO TELL LOWE TO GO AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Remember most clubs are put into Admin by the Tax Office, the Bank will be like everyone else in that an overdraft is not secured. They will try anything rather than put us into Admin. It is only having Football people at board level that will see the return of the FOOTBALL FANS and that will NOT happen until the DoF is gone. LOWE OUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 The only thing they are interested in is money, if you “turn off the tap” they will start to listen to the fans (the TRUE owners of Saints not the Shareholders). You would be horrified at the level of abuse I have received over the last 3 years for saying the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 You would be horrified at the level of abuse I have received over the last 3 years for saying the same thing. I dont believe Fans are always right. Look at the abuse given to Davis last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 As people have stated above moaning on here is will get you nowhere. The 2 things that might make a difference are :- (1) If you read ITN page 230-231 it shows that in 1993 that the moaning and demos at the Dell not no effect. The board issued a statement in August; there was a big demo for Sky TV in Oct etc. but it GOT NOWHERE. Come the 8th Dec and only 9028 turned up for the Ipswich game followed by a 11k (2k away fans) for the QPR game 3 days later and Lawrie was back in within a couple of days. There was a change of manager soon afterwards. The only thing they are interested in is money, if you “turn off the tap” they will start to listen to the fans (the TRUE owners of Saints not the Shareholders). (2) A second thing to do is to write to Barclays Bank at Reading (address in the accounts) telling them that attendance figures are down by 26% because of Lowe, and if they want to see any return on the overdraft then THEY NEED TO TELL LOWE TO GO AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Remember most clubs are put into Admin by the Tax Office, the Bank will be like everyone else in that an overdraft is not secured. They will try anything rather than put us into Admin. It is only having Football people at board level that will see the return of the FOOTBALL FANS and that will NOT happen until the DoF is gone. LOWE OUT Absolutely spot on. There are still those who state that Lowe and Quisling own the club so that they can do what they like and there is nothing that we can do about it. Whilst we were in the Premiership, they were more correct, as the club had the Sky millions and other revenue streams and even if there was a mass boycott of fans then, there was enough money coming in elsewhere to keep us afloat. Besides, we also had players worth a few million each who could have been sold to that end. But now, although the shareholding factions of the Quisling, allied to those of the Lowe axis cannot be outvoted by the other major shareholding groups, we the fans actually hold the whip hand for the first time in years and it is about time that we appraised the board of that situation and told them what we want them to do. If they ignore us, then the time will have come for action to rid the club of them. Under normal circumstances, the majority shareholding faction has the power to choose who is on the board and their egos dictate that it should be them. But it doesn't have to be them at all, as was proven when the Quisling appointed outsiders to run the club. To all those who ask who would run the club if Lowe and his cohorts were ousted from the running of the club, then the answer is that there must be very capable and respected people out there who would be prepared to come in and do the job. Salz is a name that immediately springs to mind as a serious candidate for Chairman. Naturally the major shareholders would have some influence on the appointees, but at least the candidates would have to appeal to a consensus of all the major shareholders. Provided that there is sufficient agreement from the fan base that the time has come to oust the current incumbents from all positions of power in the club, the course of action needed to achieve that end is a mass boycott of matches. As has been pointed out by others, the decision to go will not be Lowe and Wilde's. It will be the Bank who tell them to leave the board and they will also have a say in who comes in to replace them. But in the same way that they were tolerant of the mad experiment in the hope that by some miracle it might work, they are now able to see that it has been a disaster and that a return to a more normal set-up with management attuned to the English game, a club run by competant people who could unify the fans who are the lifeblood of the business, ought to be given a chance to turn things around. I believe that possibly just two matches would be needed to get the desired result. The loss of revenue and the massive publicity that would be generated nationally would be enough to see them gone. At the moment, it is just a case of people talking about it. The idea is just a seed waiting to germinate. It might take another dire loss or two to gain the mass momentum required to get it rolling as a bandwagon. In the meantime, I'm sure that if this idea gains support on the message boards, the club will get a sniff of the level of support for ridding the club of them and if there are any ways that they think that they can placate us in a last ditch attempt to save their bacon, they had better put them into effect sooner rather than later. If this strategy succeeds and the club is rid of Lowe, his cronies and Wilde from positions of influence, then the new people on the board can make a realistic plea for all fans to come back and save the club by attending matches in numbers that will make us financially viable again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 You would be horrified at the level of abuse I have received over the last 3 years for saying the same thing. You still don't get it do you? It is not what you say it is the way that you say it that gets up people's noses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 So Mr Wilde...are you proud of what you have done to our club? It is time to make another choice before its too late, align yourself with Leon Crouch ,oust the ruinous Lowe and swallow your pride in the interests of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 F@ck it. November 5th is still a week away. We should build a fack off big bonfire right in the centre circle at St Marys and f@cking burn Lowe alive like the f@cking traitor he his. All we need now is some peasants with burning torches and some pitchforks lol ! sounds like you fit the bill lol ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 You still don't get it do you? It is not what you say it is the way that you say it that gets up people's noses. I recognise these lyrics from an old song. Could you sing a few more lines and I will join in with th chorus. I reckon you two old sorts are buddies really. I once read an old report at the CPS where you old boys had a domestic and got served ASBOs..Kiss and make up. sadoldgit, I understand you are going on holiday to see Alps soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 I read it in some posts on this thread and others; "protest would have an adverse reaction on the team" I would like to know to hear from those of you who feel that way; Given that we are almost certainly relegation fodder this season, and headed for administration, what could possibly be worse? What would be the even worse consequences from any actions? When you are at the bottom of the barrel there is no "worse". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 I read it in some posts on this thread and others; "protest would have an adverse reaction on the team" I would like to know to hear from those of you who feel that way; Given that we are almost certainly relegation fodder this season, and headed for administration, what could possibly be worse? What would be the even worse consequences from any actions? When you are at the bottom of the barrel there is no "worse". The simple fact is that there are over 30 games to go. There is a remote possibility we could stay up . Protesting is likely to undermine the team and it is the shareholders who appoint the board anyway not the fans. So what will protesting actually achieve not an upturn in results in the short term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 Absolutely spot on. There are still those who state that Lowe and Quisling own the club so that they can do what they like and there is nothing that we can do about it. Whilst we were in the Premiership, they were more correct, as the club had the Sky millions and other revenue streams and even if there was a mass boycott of fans then, there was enough money coming in elsewhere to keep us afloat. Besides, we also had players worth a few million each who could have been sold to that end. But now, although the shareholding factions of the Quisling, allied to those of the Lowe axis cannot be outvoted by the other major shareholding groups, we the fans actually hold the whip hand for the first time in years and it is about time that we appraised the board of that situation and told them what we want them to do. If they ignore us, then the time will have come for action to rid the club of them. Under normal circumstances, the majority shareholding faction has the power to choose who is on the board and their egos dictate that it should be them. But it doesn't have to be them at all, as was proven when the Quisling appointed outsiders to run the club. To all those who ask who would run the club if Lowe and his cohorts were ousted from the running of the club, then the answer is that there must be very capable and respected people out there who would be prepared to come in and do the job. Salz is a name that immediately springs to mind as a serious candidate for Chairman. Naturally the major shareholders would have some influence on the appointees, but at least the candidates would have to appeal to a consensus of all the major shareholders. Provided that there is sufficient agreement from the fan base that the time has come to oust the current incumbents from all positions of power in the club, the course of action needed to achieve that end is a mass boycott of matches. As has been pointed out by others, the decision to go will not be Lowe and Wilde's. It will be the Bank who tell them to leave the board and they will also have a say in who comes in to replace them. But in the same way that they were tolerant of the mad experiment in the hope that by some miracle it might work, they are now able to see that it has been a disaster and that a return to a more normal set-up with management attuned to the English game, a club run by competant people who could unify the fans who are the lifeblood of the business, ought to be given a chance to turn things around. I believe that possibly just two matches would be needed to get the desired result. The loss of revenue and the massive publicity that would be generated nationally would be enough to see them gone. At the moment, it is just a case of people talking about it. The idea is just a seed waiting to germinate. It might take another dire loss or two to gain the mass momentum required to get it rolling as a bandwagon. In the meantime, I'm sure that if this idea gains support on the message boards, the club will get a sniff of the level of support for ridding the club of them and if there are any ways that they think that they can placate us in a last ditch attempt to save their bacon, they had better put them into effect sooner rather than later. If this strategy succeeds and the club is rid of Lowe, his cronies and Wilde from positions of influence, then the new people on the board can make a realistic plea for all fans to come back and save the club by attending matches in numbers that will make us financially viable again. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 (edited) Good post. Seems unrealistic to me. Lowe and Wilde are not the real problem but their presence is not helping the situation If the club had been run properly by Hone etc we would not be in this situation. Who ever runs the club will take out large salaries which cause great resentment within the fanbase. When Lowe went Wilde was supposed to take the club forward but failed miserably. Edited 26 October, 2008 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patred44 Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 Time we all thought of completly boycotting the club under its present guise. Give them the support they earned, and under no circumstances recognise them as Southampton FC. Here is a post I done on the UI copied for you to see how I feel about the Lowe regime.. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.. 61 years man and boy I have supported Southampton FC, lavished money, time, tears, and even blood in the cause. This is the worse bunch of no hopers I've ever seen masquerading as Southampton. That is not only the players, but directors, staff, and managership, as well as their bossman Rupert Lowe. Masquerading? yes maquer-*******-rading. This not the club I support, not the club that fought its way through to the top table progressively under the guidance of Ted Bates,and Laurie Mac, not the team that gave us all those players like Paine, Sydenham, Chivers, Channon, Ron Davies, Le Tiss , Shearer, and others too numerous to mention. Not the club the whole city got behind, not the club that pushed Liverpool so close to championship, and beat United at Wembley in 76. THIS IS LOWE FC..and I don't give a ****e about that club..it stole our club league status just as much as Milton Keynes stole the Dons. Lets hope that LOWE FC get relegated go into admin, anything, as long as it fooks off along with that cherry faced thief that leads them. The sooner they do, the sooner we may get our club back, and try repair the damage done to it. Support LOWE FC..NEVER I'm a Saints fan. And no true Saints fan would give this bunch anymore support until they get out. BOYCOTT ALL THAT REPRESENTS LOWE FC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 Time we all thought of completly boycotting the club under its present guise. Give them the support they earned, and under no circumstances recognise them as Southampton FC. Here is a post I done on the UI copied for you to see how I feel about the Lowe regime.. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.. 61 years man and boy I have supported Southampton FC, lavished money, time, tears, and even blood in the cause. This is the worse bunch of no hopers I've ever seen masquerading as Southampton. That is not only the players, but directors, staff, and managership, as well as their bossman Rupert Lowe. Masquerading? yes maquer-*******-rading. This not the club I support, not the club that fought its way through to the top table progressively under the guidance of Ted Bates,and Laurie Mac, not the team that gave us all those players like Paine, Sydenham, Chivers, Channon, Ron Davies, Le Tiss , Shearer, and others too numerous to mention. Not the club the whole city got behind, not the club that pushed Liverpool so close to championship, and beat United at Wembley in 76. THIS IS LOWE FC..and I don't give a ****e about that club..it stole our club league status just as much as Milton Keynes stole the Dons. Lets hope that LOWE FC get relegated go into admin, anything, as long as it fooks off along with that cherry faced thief that leads them. The sooner they do, the sooner we may get our club back, and try repair the damage done to it. Support LOWE FC..NEVER I'm a Saints fan. And no true Saints fan would give this bunch anymore support until they get out. BOYCOTT ALL THAT REPRESENTS LOWE FC I like you have seen the good days but football in general has changed out of all recognition with so much money about in the top clubs players like Paine Chivers Shearer and Davies will never play for us. It is all about money these days and SFC has none. We were lucky to watch the Saints in their prime our children and their children are unlikely to see great players playing regularly for the Saints that is in the past. Although Lowe has made mistakes our situation is down mainly to money going to the top clubs I wonder how Nottingham Forest fans feel - Champions of Europe in the 1980s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 ..... Although Lowe has made mistakes our situation is down mainly to money going to the top clubs I wonder how Nottingham Forest fans feel - Champions of Europe in the 1980s. I don't care how they feel. I only care about how I, and thousands of other fans, feel about MY CLUB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 (edited) I don't care how they feel. I only care about how I, and thousands of other fans, feel about MY CLUB I was only pointing out that it is not only at Southampton that things go wrong. By the way how do you feel. I feel OK as I have accepted that SFC are in decline at the moment and we will probably get relegated. If we dont get relegated I will feel even better but as I am in my sixties I dont think I will see the Saints in the Premier League unfortunately Edited 26 October, 2008 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 Seems unrealistic to me. Lowe and Wilde are not the real problem but their presence is not helping the situation If the club had been run properly by Hone etc we would not be in this situation. Who ever runs the club will take out large salaries which cause great resentment within the fanbase. When Lowe went Wilde was supposed to take the club forward but failed miserably. Sorry wrong every time. You know Lowey and Wildey are the real problem and you just will not admit it. They carry on and the club will lose fans by the score. Yes there is an alternative now..Anybody will do as that would be better than this group turn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 Sorry wrong every time. You know Lowey and Wildey are the real problem and you just will not admit it. They carry on and the club will lose fans by the score. Yes there is an alternative now..Anybody will do as that would be better than this group turn out. I do agree that lots of people think that Lowe and Wilde are the Problem and that causes a problem. The problem as I see it is that we were too arrogant and assummed we would get back into the Premiership. If we had just consolidated instead of bringing in players who were overpaid and who underachieved we would not be in the position we are now. But you dont like Lowe and Wilde (and probably me ) thats fair enough but what is anybody else going to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 I was only pointing out that it is not only at Southampton that things go wrong. By the way how do you feel. I feel OK as I have accepted that SFC are in decline at the moment and we will probably get relegated. If we dont get relegated I will feel even better but as I am in my sixties I dont think I will see the Saints in the Premier League unfortunately How do I feel? Betrayed. I'm sensible enough to know that clubs' fortunes rise and fall. If I felt that the right things had been done but, nonetheless, we'd failed, I'd sort of shrug my shoulders and say 'que sera, sera'. But when my club has been used as a toy - an experiment that's gone so badly wrong - and the perpetrators of the experiment have spoiled a club that used to muddle along in the top flight with highs and lows for their own selfish ends, then I'm angry - very angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 I do agree that lots of people think that Lowe and Wilde are the Problem and that causes a problem. The problem as I see it is that we were too arrogant and assummed we would get back into the Premiership. If we had just consolidated instead of bringing in players who were overpaid and who underachieved we would not be in the position we are now. But you dont like Lowe and Wilde (and probably me ) thats fair enough but what is anybody else going to do You are very trying but I do like you as you are a Saints supporter. We are both entitled to our opinion but it is quite clear to me that Lowey and Wildey are not Saints supporters. They have no love for the club or the fans. They are not good business men and have proved that with what they have shown here and elsewhere. Any decency and they would at least step aside and let someone else try and turn it round. Until recently I kept quiet about my opinion on these two but I have always strongly believed that both have continually ****ed up and have no clue as to what is in the best interests of SFC. Nothing personal against them but I want them out..They will not get anymore of my money. Salz in the chair with a new football board with even Cowan Crouch Corbett Trant and others. Yes we need anybody but Wildey and Lowey. The fans want them out as the numbers attending games quite clearly shows. Even the odd win will not bring them back..ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 How do I feel? Betrayed. I'm sensible enough to know that clubs' fortunes rise and fall. If I felt that the right things had been done but, nonetheless, we'd failed, I'd sort of shrug my shoulders and say 'que sera, sera'. But when my club has been used as a toy - an experiment that's gone so badly wrong - and the perpetrators of the experiment have spoiled a club that used to muddle along in the top flight with highs and lows for their own selfish ends, then I'm angry - very angry. Unfortunately I dont see it like that. We failed in the last few years in the Premiership because apart from Bridge we were not bringing home grown talent like we were in the past and having to buy a whole team including dross like Ormerod Jacobson McCann etc and getting in very few top class players. With new approach I thought in the future we would have a team half of home grown talent and then we would have more money to spend on better players . But at the moment the plan is not working but it may do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 You are very trying but I do like you as you are a Saints supporter. We are both entitled to our opinion but it is quite clear to me that Lowey and Wildey are not Saints supporters. They have no love for the club or the fans. They are not good business men and have proved that with what they have shown here and elsewhere. Any decency and they would at least step aside and let someone else try and turn it round. Until recently I kept quiet about my opinion on these two but I have always strongly believed that both have continually ****ed up and have no clue as to what is in the best interests of SFC. Nothing personal against them but I want them out..They will not get anymore of my money. Salz in the chair with a new football board with even Cowan Crouch Corbett Trant and others. Yes we need anybody but Wildey and Lowey. The fans want them out as the numbers attending games quite clearly shows. Even the odd win will not bring them back..ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. I dont really think it matters if Wilde and Lowe are supporters - I think Wilde maybe. I was surprised Lowe came back but he is there and has to be accepted but not admired or liked. It is not the board who win matches it is the players and most are young and inexperienced and need support and not slagging off. Without any money and a large mortgage cost cutting appears the only approach to me. I dont like it but what can be done? Spending lots of money does not guarntee success but does help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 I dont really think it matters if Wilde and Lowe are supporters - I think Wilde maybe. I was surprised Lowe came back but he is there and has to be accepted but not admired or liked. It is not the board who win matches it is the players and most are young and inexperienced and need support and not slagging off. Without any money and a large mortgage cost cutting appears the only approach to me. I dont like it but what can be done? Spending lots of money does not guarntee success but does help. Wildey may be a supporter..I would hope that if he was then he would see if his own group will not show Lowey the door then Wildey should. Get the fans back on side before we go any further. I have never understood this love of Lowey by Askham, Richards AND wITHERS ETC. lOWEY OUT and Wildey to come back on board and lets have a last ditch effort with someone like Salz in the chair or Mary Corbett to knock all their heads together..Yes Mary Corbett to bring some order please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andoverian Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 If Lowe really wanted the best for OUR CLUB he would have kept Nigel Pearson instead of trying to extract vengeance on the previous directors by making the ridiculous appointment of the Dutch duo. The nonsensical reason of saving money was obviously at the time a sham and is typical of the complete arrogance of the worst thing ever to happen to OUR CLUB in the 55 years that I have been a supporter both home and away. We need to do whatever it takes to get rid of him and I would support all the suggestions put forward elsewhere on this forum. Don't blame the manager! ( I feel sorry for him. He shouldn't be here and is out of his depth tryiing to manage in a league that he doesn't understand.) Don't blame the players! (for the best part they are doing their best and are not without ability but totally lack the experience to hold there own in a very tough league.) There is only one person to blame and that is as plain as the nose on your face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 Absolutely spot on. There are still those who state that Lowe and Quisling own the club so that they can do what they like and there is nothing that we can do about it. Whilst we were in the Premiership, they were more correct, as the club had the Sky millions and other revenue streams and even if there was a mass boycott of fans then, there was enough money coming in elsewhere to keep us afloat. Besides, we also had players worth a few million each who could have been sold to that end. But now, although the shareholding factions of the Quisling, allied to those of the Lowe axis cannot be outvoted by the other major shareholding groups, we the fans actually hold the whip hand for the first time in years and it is about time that we appraised the board of that situation and told them what we want them to do. If they ignore us, then the time will have come for action to rid the club of them. Under normal circumstances, the majority shareholding faction has the power to choose who is on the board and their egos dictate that it should be them. But it doesn't have to be them at all, as was proven when the Quisling appointed outsiders to run the club. To all those who ask who would run the club if Lowe and his cohorts were ousted from the running of the club, then the answer is that there must be very capable and respected people out there who would be prepared to come in and do the job. Salz is a name that immediately springs to mind as a serious candidate for Chairman. Naturally the major shareholders would have some influence on the appointees, but at least the candidates would have to appeal to a consensus of all the major shareholders. Provided that there is sufficient agreement from the fan base that the time has come to oust the current incumbents from all positions of power in the club, the course of action needed to achieve that end is a mass boycott of matches. As has been pointed out by others, the decision to go will not be Lowe and Wilde's. It will be the Bank who tell them to leave the board and they will also have a say in who comes in to replace them. But in the same way that they were tolerant of the mad experiment in the hope that by some miracle it might work, they are now able to see that it has been a disaster and that a return to a more normal set-up with management attuned to the English game, a club run by competant people who could unify the fans who are the lifeblood of the business, ought to be given a chance to turn things around. I believe that possibly just two matches would be needed to get the desired result. The loss of revenue and the massive publicity that would be generated nationally would be enough to see them gone. At the moment, it is just a case of people talking about it. The idea is just a seed waiting to germinate. It might take another dire loss or two to gain the mass momentum required to get it rolling as a bandwagon. In the meantime, I'm sure that if this idea gains support on the message boards, the club will get a sniff of the level of support for ridding the club of them and if there are any ways that they think that they can placate us in a last ditch attempt to save their bacon, they had better put them into effect sooner rather than later. If this strategy succeeds and the club is rid of Lowe, his cronies and Wilde from positions of influence, then the new people on the board can make a realistic plea for all fans to come back and save the club by attending matches in numbers that will make us financially viable again. So this plan will be ready-to-roll within a week then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 26 October, 2008 Share Posted 26 October, 2008 If you want Lowe and Wilde out there's no point in protesting. Lowe and Wilde know they are not liked and basically don't give a damn. BOYCOTTING IS THE ANSWER Give Lowe and Wilde gates sub 15,000 consistently and their shares will become worthless as the club goes into admin. At this point Norwich and Union and Barclays become the main creditors - NO CHANCE OF LOWE DOING A KEN BATES AND BUYING US ON THE CHEAP - and we get a new owner(s). I have a sneaky feeling we've not heard the last of Leon Crouch... Agreed. Nick Illingsworth is so wrong in his endless rants. It's the stayaways who are holding the trump card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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