hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Or just an uninformed one. Did you even read and understand CB Frys post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 solentsport BBC Radio Solent #saintsfc Solent understands that Fontaine deal broke down as Saints unable to make an informed decision on ankle injury. Not he failed 19 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply TonyHusbandTV Tony Husband by ConnorArmstrong #Saintsfc #Bristolcity Liam Fontaine deal didn't progress while player has ankle prob. Seems possible it could be resurrected at some stage 20 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply Personally,i would steer clear of this deal,don't touch it with a barge pole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 First one from Solent sounds like they couldn't even test the ankle, which could mean he is fairly significantly injured right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Isn't he out of contract in the summer? More their loss than ours at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Not really; well, certainly not any more than last year. We have Fonte, Seaborne, and Martin currently available, with Jaidi to come back from injury. Hardly short of numbers. It's the quality issue I'm more worried about, I don't see Seaborne or Martin (yet) as a long term solution, and its a complete unknown whether Jaidi's legs are up to it. Can't see what i am saying is any different to the point you are making. Sometimes, I think you just like to contradict people for the sake of it. Please refrain from being an attention seeker ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 SFC: Sorry to have to inform you Mr Fontaine that due to not be able to complete a full medical we shall not progress any further. LF: Damn. SFC: Anyhow, what did you think of the club, facilities etc...? LF: Fantastic. Was really looking forward to joining such an impressive club. Your facilities are excellent. SFC: Be sure to inform Mr Maynard. Thanks again for popping down. Close the door on your way out please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Can't see what i am saying is any different to the point you are making. Sometimes, I think you just like to contradict people for the sake of it. Please refrain from being an attention seeker ! Says Dalek. PMSL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 SFC: Sorry to have to inform you Mr Fontaine that due to not be able to complete a full medical we shall not progress any further. LF: Damn. SFC: Anyhow, what did you think of the club, facilities etc...? LF: Fantastic. Was really looking forward to joining such an impressive club. Your facilities are excellent. SFC: Be sure to inform Mr Maynard. Thanks again for popping down. Close the door on your way out please. Well, this is an interesting idea and if it comes off I will take my hat off to you sir ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Can't see what i am saying is any different to the point you are making. Sometimes, I think you just like to contradict people for the sake of it. Please refrain from being an attention seeker ! I'll spell it out if you don't understand. You said "Failing that we will have to make do with what we have got and hope for luck to help us our, ie no injuries or suspensions". My point is that I believe we already have 3 centre backs who are much of a muchness in terms of quality; Seaborne, Martin and Jaidi. So the occasional injury or suspension or two to one of those three won't impact us massively, so I don't agree that we need to massively rely on luck, we have a good squad depth as it is. My view is that I would like to see us sign a player better than all of those three, to increase the quality in the side, yet still have a strength of depth in reserve. Hope that's clear enough for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Did you even read and understand CB Frys post? Yes I did- basically saying that the happy clappers (his term - more likely anyone who disagrees) won't have heard of a player one minute and then as soon as the club's linked with them, cream themselves the next and witch-hunt any dissenters. Just that I haven't heard a convincing argument from you as to why he wouldn't have a job except a selective ragbag bunch of quotes from another team's forum and conjecture after conjecture about our supposedly poor dealings in the transfer market, leading to the inevitable conclusion that we've f**ked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Yes I did- basically saying that the happy clappers (his term - more likely anyone who disagrees) won't have heard of a player one minute and then as soon as the club's linked with them, cream themselves the next and witch-hunt any dissenters. Just that I haven't heard a convincing argument from you as to why he wouldn't have a job except a selective ragbag bunch of quotes from another team's forum and conjecture after conjecture about our supposedly poor dealings in the transfer market, leading to the inevitable conclusion that we've f**ked up. CB Fry said that you are allowed an opinion of a player based on conjecture from other teams forums along with other small bits of evidence etc as long as that opinion is a positive one. If you give a positive opinion then it isn't questioned whereas if you give a negative one or wonder whether they are the best option, you get shouted down or told you are not allowed an initial opinion. That is what he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 CB Fry said that you are allowed an opinion of a player based on conjecture from other teams forums along with other small bits of evidence etc as long as that opinion is a positive one. If you give a positive opinion then it isn't questioned whereas if you give a negative one or wonder whether they are the best option, you get shouted down or told you are not allowed an initial opinion. That is what he said. But lots of people have expressed doubts about some of our targets and yet they haven't been shouted down. Perhaps, its because they argue each case on its merits, stick the facts, give credit where its due and reach conclusions that don't appear preordained and agenda-driven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 But lots of people have expressed doubts about some of our targets and yet they haven't been shouted down. Perhaps, its because they argue each case on its merits, stick the facts, give credit where its due and reach conclusions that don't appear preordained and agenda-driven. No they haven't. Time and again posters are shouted down for having an opinion which differs from the stock one. I have no agenda and post positive and negatives when I see them. See my post above where I point our a number of positive posts and also my praise of the capture of Cork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 You talk of "ignorance" and "reading up", yet you can't spell "Waghorn", "Rodriguez" or "Gorkšs" correctly, despite claiming to be aware of them. Funny that... Mis-spelling their names proves my point about my own ignorance. What I have got far above you is perspective and an understanding of how real life is actually lived. Stick to your bedroom you computer gaming pedantic freak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 No they haven't. Time and again posters are shouted down for having an opinion which differs from the stock one. I have no agenda and post positive and negatives when I see them. See my post above where I point our a number of positive posts and also my praise of the capture of Cork. no they dont...its you, look at the sheer number of posts you make on negative news..and then look at the number you make on what you think is bad news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 And the forum soon decends into it's usual bickering oncemore. Hypo,give up...if you don't tow the party line you have not got a cat in hells chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 no they dont...its you, look at the sheer number of posts you make on negative news..and then look at the number you make on what you think is bad news No it isn't. Many posters other than me have been shouted down for not towing the party line. I post less on positive threads because there is less to debate about good news and also I am rarely responded to on thos threads. When I get abuse on here am I not allowed to respond? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Typical Saints once again, seems like we're close to a signing and then it all goes tits up. Will we sign anyone else this transfer window, or wait until Fonte/Seaborne/Lambert/Connolly get's an injury before we have to bring in an "emergency loan" in November? Sort it out Saints, what a shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 No they haven't. Time and again posters are shouted down for having an opinion which differs from the stock one. I have no agenda and post positive and negatives when I see them. See my post above where I point our a number of positive posts and also my praise of the capture of Cork. I would have paid good money to see you spin six posts about the Ipswich game as negatives. A pretty lame example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Happy to go with the Club's decision of not going through with this deal is there are any doubts regarding fitness. After all, we should all remember the Delgado fiasco!!!!! But with Adkins identifying that the centre half position needs bolstering it is a little disconcerting that we haven't filled this gap yet. Presume Adkins and others are just as concerned and are working flat out to resolve it before the window shuts. I certainly think it's an area that needs bolstering. Have no problem with Jaidi coming in for specific games to kick some ar5e, think Martin needs more time to develop and perhaps even a loan out, whilst Seabourne is OK, but not as solid as I would like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 No they haven't. Time and again posters are shouted down for having an opinion which differs from the stock one. I have no agenda and post positive and negatives when I see them. See my post above where I point our a number of positive posts and also my praise of the capture of Cork. Indeed, I was more critical of our team's performance that night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 I would have paid good money to see you spin six posts about the Ipswich game as negatives. A pretty lame example. Oh right so it only counts as being positive when you say it does. I didn't go any further back because frankly I couldn't be bothered but if you want to you will see the positive remarks made about Cork, promotion and our great start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Typical Saints once again, seems like we're close to a signing and then it all goes tits up. Will we sign anyone else this transfer window, or wait until Fonte/Seaborne/Lambert/Connolly get's an injury before we have to bring in an "emergency loan" in November? Sort it out Saints, what a shambles. Yep typical Saints, not signing someone who has had ankle problems, had an op on it in March and managed only one part of a game this season ! Fancy not being able to pass a medical !! Back to the old days eh ? Players like David Howells, Perry Groves, David Hirst, spending more time in the treatment room than on the ptich !! Give me strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Just wish We had manager who could take us from bottom of one division to top of next in12 months spends full time watching players then he may know bit more than some on here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 But lots of people have expressed doubts about some of our targets and yet they haven't been shouted down. Perhaps, its because they argue each case on its merits, stick the facts, give credit where its due and reach conclusions that don't appear preordained and agenda-driven. I've got to be honest this forum is very polarised and from my perspective it does seem as if a negative opinion is jumped on quicker but that's also human nature - it's very hard to criticise a positive assessment and mostly because we all want to believe it. There are a few obvious WUMS - personally I don't think hypo is one of them and he is at least consistent. Sometimes he's wrong and sometimes it's just a difference of opinion but to be fair to him he's been called a **** today purely on the basis that initially he hasn't w*nked himself dry over the prospect of signing a CB that none of us really know much about. I'm not sure that being negative always equates to having preordained opinions or being agenda driven. Personally I wasn't that bothered about Fontaine - he sounded OK but I wouldn't have expected a world beater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Oh right so it only counts as being positive when you say it does. I didn't go any further back because frankly I couldn't be bothered but if you want to you will see the positive remarks made about Cork, promotion and our great start. Again I would have paid good money to see even you spin our promotion and great start into negatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Thank goodness for that, after Dale Stephens (who?), Danny N'Guessan (who?), Jonathan Forte (who?) I'm not sure we are ready for another quality signing from our current scouting team what's that you say,wha about DeRidder (who?... OK, OK, but give it time!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Again I would have paid good money to see even you spin our promotion and great start into negatives. As I said, I post positive things when I see positives and post otherwise when I see negatives. Saying I post nothing but negativity is wide of the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Thank goodness for that, after Dale Stephens (who?), Danny N'Guessan (who?), Jonathan Forte (who?) I'm not sure we are ready for another quality signing from our current scouting team what's that you say,wha about DeRidder (who?... OK, OK, but give it time!) TBF that statement just sums up your lack of football knowledge rather than anything wrong with our scouting team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Thank goodness for that, after Dale Stephens (who?), Danny N'Guessan (who?), Jonathan Forte (who?) I'm not sure we are ready for another quality signing from our current scouting team what's that you say,wha about DeRidder (who?... OK, OK, but give it time!) You've got to love this guy really. From the Jack Dee school of comedy. (No, not Peter Symonds' College.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Lets be honest if we sign anyone there not going to walk in the team anyways as the players who have played so far has done a great job, cant really drop anyone inc Seabourne. I think were sign someone for cover in defence or attack or maybe both, but were probs waiting on the player or agents decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simondo Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 can't say i'm that bothered really - i am hoping for a top draw CB with better pedigree than him tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 To be fair, it did look highly dubious that he would pass a medical when we all knew he was injured. The fact he was allowed to have a discussion while injured speaks volumes about BC IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Thank goodness for that, after Dale Stephens (who?), Danny N'Guessan (who?), Jonathan Forte (who?) I'm not sure we are ready for another quality signing from our current scouting team what's that you say,wha about DeRidder (who?... OK, OK, but give it time!) But what about Arsenal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 I' it's very hard to criticise a positive assessment and mostly because we all want to believe it. You only have to look at the number of pages a poor performance or result generates against a good performance or result. Negatives generate much more controversy, passion, counterpoint etc and they are also viewpoints that people are quick to jump on and rubbish/debate. Some people on here do think it is sacrilege to offer up a viewpoint that could be deemed to be critical!!!!! Our centre half position would not appear to be ideal. The manager is obviously out there sniffing for one, so he thinks we need bolstering, but for some reason we haven't landed anyone yet. Adkins obviously feels we need strengthening, but can't see many on here having a pop at him telling him to just be happy with 5 out of 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Lets be honest if we sign anyone there not going to walk in the team anyways as the players who have played so far has done a great job, cant really drop anyone inc Seabourne. I have to disagree. I would like to see someone signed who would go straight in to partner Fonte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 I have to disagree. I would like to see someone signed who would go straight in to partner Fonte. Exactly this. No point in signing squad players, we have plenty of those. We only need to target players who would be first choice and are better than those we currently have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Typical Saints once again, seems like we're close to a signing and then it all goes tits up. Will we sign anyone else this transfer window, or wait until Fonte/Seaborne/Lambert/Connolly get's an injury before we have to bring in an "emergency loan" in November? Sort it out Saints, what a shambles. That is a the worst case scenario. What is interesting is this. NA (and everyone else), can see we could do with adding a good CB and CF. This has been apparent since the end of last season. There have been players available, but not at the right price for SFC. We could have been waiting to the end of the transfer window to see if prices and personal terms come closer to our way of thinking. Presumably, the management will also have been aware that we could risk missing our original targets and end up without filling the positions with new faces. In that case is it not fair to say that this season we are happy to take a punt at promotion but not desperate aka Leicester and WHam to go up this year if it means breaking our prudent 'business plan'. Further to this a mid table finish would be acceptable in the great scheme of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 (edited) I've got to be honest this forum is very polarised and from my perspective it does seem as if a negative opinion is jumped on quicker but that's also human nature - it's very hard to criticise a positive assessment and mostly because we all want to believe it. There are a few obvious WUMS - personally I don't think hypo is one of them and he is at least consistent. Sometimes he's wrong and sometimes it's just a difference of opinion but to be fair to him he's been called a **** today purely on the basis that initially he hasn't w*nked himself dry over the prospect of signing a CB that none of us really know much about. I'm not sure that being negative always equates to having preordained opinions or being agenda driven. Personally I wasn't that bothered about Fontaine - he sounded OK but I wouldn't have expected a world beater. TO be clear, having preordained opinions is not the monopoly of negative posters. There are just as many positive posters that have agendas - both have more in common than they think. Don't know if its human nature - if the team was going through a slump, am sure the consensus would be overwhelmingly negative. Just have to look at the threads after a poor result - people love a bloodbath. I like to think that most posters on here are reasonable and don't oppose negativity because its negative than because its out of proportion and not justified by the facts. The moaners have been telling us for two seasons now that we would struggle to get promoted and we would be shown up in the NPC (too early to judge on the latter). Its convenient and rich for some to plead their balance and impartiality by praising the club after its achieved its success while up until then fixating on all the flaws and mistakes they believe will condemn us to under-achievement. Edited 24 August, 2011 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 TO be clear, having preordained opinions is not the monopoly of negative posters. There are just as many positive posters that have agendas - both have more in common than they think. Don't know if its human nature - if the team was going through a slump, am sure the consensus would be overwhelmingly negative. Just have to look at the threads after a poor result - people love a bloodbath. I like to think that most posters on here are reasonable and don't oppose negativity because its negative than because its out of proportion and not justified by the facts. The moaners have been telling us for two seasons now that we would struggle to get promoted and we would be shown up in the NPC (too early to judge on the latter). Its convenient and rich for some to plead their balance and impartiality by praising the club after its achieved its success while up until then fixating on all the flaws and mistakes they believe will condemn us to under-achievement. Presumably you are referring to me in the later part of your paragraph. Just pointing out now that I never said either of those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 I've got to be honest this forum is very polarised and from my perspective it does seem as if a negative opinion is jumped on quicker but that's also human nature - it's very hard to criticise a positive assessment and mostly because we all want to believe it. There are a few obvious WUMS - personally I don't think hypo is one of them and he is at least consistent. Sometimes he's wrong and sometimes it's just a difference of opinion but to be fair to him he's been called a **** today purely on the basis that initially he hasn't w*nked himself dry over the prospect of signing a CB that none of us really know much about. I'm not sure that being negative always equates to having preordained opinions or being agenda driven. Personally I wasn't that bothered about Fontaine - he sounded OK but I wouldn't have expected a world beater. Thanks mate. That's quite a few of who I would consider to be decent posters (um Pahars, yourself, CB Fry) who believe that anything perceived as negative is jumped on and the poster abused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Let's just loan Craig Dawson from WBA for the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sammysaint Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Exactly this. No point in signing squad players, we have plenty of those. We only need to target players who would be first choice and are better than those we currently have. I think give Seabourne a chance he has shown in the last 2 games he can do a job at this level and is happy with rotation as will RJ and Martin. My focus is signing a striker, DC and Forte cant play full 90 mins often as DC because of his injuries hes had and forte cant be consistent over 90 mins hes a impact sub and can be used on wings, and it seems while lB is injured were using de ridder as a striker from the bench and i feel he looks best on the wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Justmike....... Have you heard anymore on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 I think give Seabourne a chance he has shown in the last 2 games he can do a job at this level and is happy with rotation as will RJ and Martin. My focus is signing a striker, DC and Forte cant play full 90 mins often as DC because of his injuries hes had and forte cant be consistent over 90 mins hes a impact sub and can be used on wings, and it seems while lB is injured were using de ridder as a striker from the bench and i feel he looks best on the wing. DC seemed quite put out by the ongoing reference to his injuries in a recent interview. Says he's been fit and clear of any injuries for some time. Match fitness and age are probably more a factor at this moment in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 I think give Seabourne a chance he has shown in the last 2 games he can do a job at this level and is happy with rotation as will RJ and Martin. My focus is signing a striker, DC and Forte cant play full 90 mins often as DC because of his injuries hes had and forte cant be consistent over 90 mins hes a impact sub and can be used on wings, and it seems while lB is injured were using de ridder as a striker from the bench and i feel he looks best on the wing. Sorry but I don't agree Seaborne is good enough for a promotion-seeking Championship side, which is clearly what we're striving to be. He's definitely a good squad player to have, but the gulf in class between him and Fonte is considerable, and that's the level of player we should surely be aiming for. Up front, there's no denying Connolly's quality, while Barnard is an unknown quantity at this level. I don't see any point bringing in someone who'll play second fiddle to those, we need to look to improve on what we have or sign someone who gives a completely different option to what we have. I think a Maynard-type player does both of those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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