Dalek2003 Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Adkins has a good track record of working with and improving strikers. At Sc^nthorpe he had Sharp & Keogh initially (although signed by his predecesssor I think) and then brought in Patterson, and then Hooper both of whom were then sold on. Hooper was signed for £200,000 and sold for £2m. That's why he s worth a punt. Furthermore, he has a reason to improve and make a name for himself at a club like SFC building for the future. Waghorn can also learn from that older wily master Connoly during the course of this season. Now is the time to act and be positive, sign him up !
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 ok...tell us the times you have seen him play..what is his favoured footb..is he good in the air...is he quick, does he have a trick...? Hi. I was working for a while in Leicester at the back end of 2010 and I went to a few of their home games in which he featured. He was extremely underwhelming and the crowd were frustrated with him. No first touch at all. Not overly pacey. OK in the air. Does he have a trick? Not sure what you mean, but didn't appear to have any on the football pitch that's for sure. I understand that he was **** hot for them the season before and fired them to the play offs. He missed the spot kick in the play off semi vs Cardiff that year. Perhaps Adkins can do a job with him, I don't know. The reason I say I am underwhelmed is in the context of expecting a top, proven, pacy striker at this level. Waghorn is certainly not that.
capitalsaint Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Hi. I was working for a while in Leicester at the back end of 2010 and I went to a few of their home games in which he featured. He was extremely underwhelming and the crowd were frustrated with him. No first touch at all. Not overly pacey. OK in the air. Does he have a trick? Not sure what you mean, but didn't appear to have any on the football pitch that's for sure. I understand that he was **** hot for them the season before and fired them to the play offs. He missed the spot kick in the play off semi vs Cardiff that year. Perhaps Adkins can do a job with him, I don't know. The reason I say I am underwhelmed is in the context of expecting a top, proven, pacy striker at this level. Waghorn is certainly not that. Which is what they also say on the link I posted. Quite a few think he wasn't given enough of a chance under Sven, but keep it vague, whereas a few actually mention specifically that he isn't geared towards a passing system.
Saint Charlie Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 He was good enough for Leicester to spend 3m on him previously.
hypochondriac Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Hi. I was working for a while in Leicester at the back end of 2010 and I went to a few of their home games in which he featured. He was extremely underwhelming and the crowd were frustrated with him. No first touch at all. Not overly pacey. OK in the air. Does he have a trick? Not sure what you mean, but didn't appear to have any on the football pitch that's for sure. I understand that he was **** hot for them the season before and fired them to the play offs. He missed the spot kick in the play off semi vs Cardiff that year. Perhaps Adkins can do a job with him, I don't know. The reason I say I am underwhelmed is in the context of expecting a top, proven, pacy striker at this level. Waghorn is certainly not that. I think also that with the sale of aoc we now have the finance to being someone in of better quality.
Raging Bull Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 If we do buy him it'll be because Adkins has studied the stats and believes he has what we need to compete. Maybe he's a confidence striker (as lots are), and let's face it, he probably isn't getting much of that from Sven ATM.
Saint Charlie Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 I think also that with the sale of aoc we now have the finance to being someone in of better quality. Is Baldock better than Waghorn? Possibly not, he is just in vogue at the moment.
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 He was good enough for Leicester to spend 3m on him previously. I think it was around £2m rising to £3m with appearances etc. But you're right - that is a lot of money. I think LCFC want to recoup their £2m on him though - perhaps Hull might come in and reunite him with Pearson again.
Dalek2003 Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Whatever happens, lets be positive about Waghorn if he is brought in, he may turn out to be one of our best players in the long run.
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Whatever happens, lets be positive about Waghorn if he is brought in, he may turn out to be one of our best players in the long run. I didn't realise that Leics have already offered him as bait for Maynard to Brizzle back in July http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Leicester-City-use-Martyn-Waghorn-lure-striker/story-13017734-detail/story.html Lots of comments on that article. Typical footie fans etc. This one stood out though: “Waghorn was nothing more than a panic purchase made by a manager fearing the safety of his seat. He may well try hard but that doesn't amount to a decent footballer I'm afraid. True, this isn't Waghorn's fault, but neither is it Sven's. To offload him for 1.5m whilst paving the way for Maynard to join would be an excellent piece of business by the club. Contrary to what some Leicester 'fans' think, football is not all about running around for 90 minutes like a headless chicken with no end product. Maynard has an average of 1 in 2 during his time in the championship - Waghorn will never produce this. We must make huge strides forward if we are to get out of this league, especially as we are not the only ones snapping up players to improve their chances. Ipswich, Cardiff, Birmingham and a host of other clubs will all prove stiff competition and having Waghorn warming our bench for 88 minutes and then coming on and running around like his backside is on fire for 2 minutes whilst never reaching the opposition penalty area is not going to aid our promotion bid. 20 goals from Maynard will."
shurlock Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 I think it was around £2m rising to £3m with appearances etc. But you're right - that is a lot of money. I think LCFC want to recoup their £2m on him though - perhaps Hull might come in and reunite him with Pearson again. They know they won't recoup that - they'll probably want £1.5m but reckon will take 800K.
shurlock Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Bit of a clue in this maybe? http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2432130,00.html Probably about the N'guessan deal.
david in sweden Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 He was good enough for Leicester to spend 3m on him previously. maybe so, but we all make mistakes .....perhaps he was one ?
Dalek2003 Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Whatever people say it is late in the transfer wndow now. We therefor have to make the best of what is available and hope that the selling club knocks the price down ie Waghorn. Or we show our hand over the likes Maynard and fork out the money we were reluctant to do earlier in the summer. The third option is to make no new signings, see if we can continue our great start and look again in January if necessary. To some extent the transfer window has bee a bit of a distraction and it will be a relief when it closes.
Thedelldays Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Whatever people say it is late in the transfer wndow now. We therefor have to make the best of what is available and hope that the selling club knocks the price down ie Waghorn. Or we show our hand over the likes Maynard and fork out the money we were reluctant to do earlier in the summer. The third option is to make no new signings, see if we can continue our great start and look again in January if necessary. To some extent the transfer window has bee a bit of a distraction and it will be a relief when it closes. to who...?
derry Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Sam Vokes scored for Wolves in CC this week. CHDAJFU?
Dalek2003 Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 to who...? To quite a lot of poster son this site, you included.
DG Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 simonpeach Simon Peach Sam Baldock has joined #WHUFC on a four-year deal. As I said earlier, #SaintsFC are more likely to go for Martyn Waghorn of Leicester. On to fourth on the list then?
krissyboy31 Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Blimey, Solent are on the ball! @Solentsport understands that #saintsfc have enquired about 21 yr-old Foxes striker Martyn Waghorn - Derby County already after him. 3 minutes ago via web
Saint-Reece Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 hope not he's **** Right, that's it guys... even if he does sign, he's sh!te, let's not bother getting a young striker with potential that we are all asking for, jesus some people are hard to please! At least we wont need to spend 6m on him!
Rebel Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Adkins has a good track record of working with and improving strikers. At Sc^nthorpe he had Sharp & Keogh initially (although signed by his predecesssor I think) and then brought in Patterson, and then Hooper both of whom were then sold on. Hooper was signed for £200,000 and sold for £2m. Is that apart from Forte?
saint lard Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Leicester look close to getting Maynard,West Ham get Baldock,and we are going for Waghorn it seems.....hardly inspiring. I know prices are inflated but we really must endevour to get Rodrigues instead of Waghorn,if we really do have aspirations. not much of an improvement on Bignall is Waghorn,imo.
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Maybe we'll look to sort out a deal while we're up in Leicester this weekend? Must have something about him to be selected for the U21s this time round.
Matthew Le God Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 (edited) not much of an improvement on Bignall is Waghorn Absolute nonsense! - Waghorn is a proven scorer in the Championship and is a current England under 21 international. - Bignall has only seen first team action in League One and Two, with 27 league starts (20 sub appearances) and 4 goals in the last 4 seasons. Edited 26 August, 2011 by Matthew Le God
Appy Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Leicester look close to getting Maynard,West Ham get Baldock,and we are going for Waghorn it seems.....hardly inspiring. I know prices are inflated but we really must endevour to get Rodrigues instead of Waghorn,if we really do have aspirations. not much of an improvement on Bignall is Waghorn,imo. What an idiotic post.
View From The Top Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Leicester look close to getting Maynard,West Ham get Baldock,and we are going for Waghorn it seems.....hardly inspiring. I know prices are inflated but we really must endevour to get Rodrigues instead of Waghorn,if we really do have aspirations. not much of an improvement on Bignall is Waghorn,imo. Baldock was hardly inspiring. Whilst I would have welcomed him I'd have found myself going "meh" at best as he's another Barney to me. A CB is far more important IMHO.
View From The Top Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 What an idiotic post. Don't forget, he's another one whose nailed his colours to "Adkins is rubbish and will fail" mast.
MOSaint Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Ok lads songs for Waghorn anyone? His wiki proved he was no good, waghorn, waghorn Rather have Jay Rod we would, waghorn, waghorn We got the boy from sven's reserves, give him more stick than he deserves Martyn Waghorn, Southampton's number 10 (insert actual squad number) Na na na na Waghorn
revolution saint Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Based on what I've seen I don't think he's better than Connolly, and in his absence I'd rather play Barney. I'm not sure we need him.
Appy Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Willing to give the lad a chance, crazy to write off any player before he plays for us, people persist in doing it though.
revolution saint Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Willing to give the lad a chance, crazy to write off any player before he plays for us, people persist in doing it though. Equally you could argue it's crazy to write off the players we've already got, and have done well for us. If you're spending this amount of money then you have to make a subjective judgement - Is he better than Connolly? Is he better than Barney? IMO no, and it's a shame people don't give them a chance isn't it?
saint1977 Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Not over-fussed on this deal - if he's not quick I'd rather stick with Barnard. Not sure if Baldock will work out at WHU but if Waghorn is the best available, let's wait until Jan and spend the money on a top quality CB for now instead.
S-Clarke Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Waghorn was quality for Leicester a few seasons ago, so much so they paid £3m for him. He's still young and has just been called up to the U21's. He's got good pace, lots of energy and can play either flank as well. I thought he was a quality player at Leicester when they actually played him. Wouldn't be disappointed with this at all. Not sure what peoples complaints are on this one, just because he's an outcast at another club? He's alot more proven than Baldock for example.
Saint-Reece Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Waghorn was quality for Leicester a few seasons ago, so much so they paid £3m for him. He's still young and has just been called up to the U21's. He's got good pace, lots of energy and can play either flank as well. I thought he was a quality player at Leicester when they actually played him. Wouldn't be disappointed with this at all. Not sure what peoples complaints are on this one, just because he's an outcast at another club? He's alot more proven than Baldock for example. This. just look at you youtube video somewhere above, some people are calling for pace and he certainly has it! and a good left boot on him!
S-Clarke Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 This. just look at you youtube video somewhere above, some people are calling for pace and he certainly has it! and a good left boot on him! Yep. Little live wire really and would add something to our front line that we don't currently have. He just needs games, Sven hasn't included him since he came in and bought all his mates (Vassell etc) Leicesters decision to let strikers go lately hasn't been great anyway, Fryatt is also quality as Hull are seeing..
revolution saint Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Waghorn was quality for Leicester a few seasons ago, so much so they paid £3m for him. He's still young and has just been called up to the U21's. He's got good pace, lots of energy and can play either flank as well. I thought he was a quality player at Leicester when they actually played him. Wouldn't be disappointed with this at all. Not sure what peoples complaints are on this one, just because he's an outcast at another club? He's alot more proven than Baldock for example. To be fair that's an easy out to criticise people who hold an opinion different than you. I don't really care where he comes from or how much was paid for him in the past. It comes down to a judgement and personally I don't rate him. If we were talking 500k then he's worth a punt but he needs to be playing games and based on ability I don't think he's better than Connolly or Barnard so he'd struggle to even get on the bench.
revolution saint Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Yep. Little live wire really and would add something to our front line that we don't currently have. He just needs games, Sven hasn't included him since he came in and bought all his mates (Vassell etc) Leicesters decision to let strikers go lately hasn't been great anyway, Fryatt is also quality as Hull are seeing.. Pace? really?
S-Clarke Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Pace? really? Have you see him play? I have, and he's not slow.
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 not sure if its already on this thread Seems quite a powerful player, and left footed as well. Can see why we'd be interested, especially at that age.
sfc4prem Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 21 isn't he? I rate him. Pace, presence, decent finish, most importantly - potential to become a quality player.
revolution saint Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Have you see him play? I have, and he's not slow. Yes, I have and neither is he quick. He's a busy player I'll give you that but then so is Barnard, and like Barney he's a nuisance....and that's exactly what we'd be signing - someone who would be competing for a place on the bench with Barney.
shurlock Posted 26 August, 2011 Posted 26 August, 2011 Rate him higher than Baldock and probably going for less than half the price. Got as many goals as Jay Rod in both their breakthrough seasons and yet people are quick to dismiss him as **** and pin their hopes on Jay-Rod. Last year was truly a miserable year for him at Leicester -first with the clueless Sousa, then SGE's decision to dismantle the nucleus of a good, young side -Hobbs, Fryatt etc and then helicopter in some loanee premiership mercenaries. Sven is a clown - as fantastic as his contact book is, he's got zero-eye for talent unless it comes rubber stamped from the top 4. Ultimately Waghorn was victim of a catch 22 - Sven wasn't prepared to let him go like the others as he felt he still had something to contribute; but wasn't prepared to give Waghorn a decent run in the team, preventing him from kickstarting his career as the others have done. He's obviously raw and his decision-making and awareness need to be worked on; but he isn't the worst shout in the world. Could provide some needed directness, power and tricks up top. Barny has some of these attributes but isn't as well-rounded as Waghorn. For all the Rooney analogies, Waghorn reminds me of a young Kevin Davies.
Badger Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Rate him higher than Baldock and probably going for less than half the price. Got as many goals as Jay Rod in both their breakthrough seasons and yet people are quick to dismiss him as **** and pin their hopes on Jay-Rod. He's obviously raw and his decision-making and awareness need to be worked on; but he isn't the worst shout in the world. Could provide some needed directness, power and tricks up top. Barny has some of these attributes but isn't as well-rounded as Waghorn. For all the Rooney analogies, Waghorn reminds me of a young Kevin Davies. The inrtigue by Rodrigues is that he would be a big signing at £4.5m and not be seen as discarded by a previous club.MW is 'tarnished' by the fact he is surplus to Sven's requirements. Pretty unfair really as SGE is only looking to play his own inflated purchases. As said on another thread, MW reminds me of Gordon Watson in build and (reputed) style of play. Also when Watson was first announced I questioned why we would want a Sheff Weds reserve and what he could bring to us.I would gladly welcome a 'Gordon Watson' back in to the building now, so am willing to reserve judgement on Waghorn should he come here and hope it works out. Unfortunately for Waghorn though, he might be seen as fourth choice by some, and resented before he kicks a ball, this is the Seaborne factor, no matter how he performs some people don't forgive him for not being Elliot Ward.
Saint Charlie Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 I reckon Waghorn just needs his confidence back. You clearly don't move for 3m and get picked by Eng u21s if you are a bad player.
S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 According to reports in the Hull Daily Mail, Leicester City striker Martyn Waghorn would favour a move to Hull City over Southampton after the Foxes gave him permission to leave the club before the transfer window closes.
SuperSAINT Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 According to reports in the Hull Daily Mail, Leicester City striker Martyn Waghorn would favour a move to Hull City over Southampton after the Foxes gave him permission to leave the club before the transfer window closes. Just saw that. Never rains but it pours! J.Rod please.
Pilchards Posted 27 August, 2011 Posted 27 August, 2011 Just saw that. Never rains but it pours! J.Rod please. Just read Jay Rod prefers Burton Albion over Saints.
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