the wedge Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 Fourth_Official: Derby and Southampton are both keen on Martyn Waghorn with the latter leading the race so far #Saintsfc #LCFC #DCFC 21 year old Leicester City Forward. 30 apps, 4 Goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wedge Posted 23 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 23 August, 2011 Also scored 12 goals in 43 apps during a loan spell at the Foxes. I don't know much about him myself, is he a good prospect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 There's a few clubs on the radar, don't know how true it is that we're involved. People say 4th official is usually pretty reliable. For me, a young striker is key, we don't have any bar Doble and it's unsure if he'll ever make the grade. I don't know much about Waghorn, but for me, if we were to take anyone off Leicester, I'd like that Schlupp bloke. He was very good for Brentford at the tail end of last season and is only 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 Sounds a lot more likely than spending six million on Rodriguez to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 May not be the name that excites the fans like Rodriguez or Maynard, but would still be a good bit of business IMO He did well on a season long loan scoring 12 in 43, which shows promise considering he was only 19/20 at the time. Then Pearson signed him permanently only to be sacked a cuple of months later in favour of Sven, who was intent on bringing in his own players and renewing his love affair with Darius Vassell. The 4 in 30 last season is misleading because the majority of his appearances were off the bench. So he's Young, has potential with a point to prove. Seems like an Adkins signing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 I still think someone like ebanks Blake would be a better way to go. Waghorn seems like the cheap gamble option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 Just a thought. With the rumour of this guy coming in something does not add up. With a couple of agents talking us up after some big rumoured bids and hearing about how Saints are outbidding LCFC on some of their targets, then it might suggests we are looking to bring in yet another striker with Waghorn? Perhaps Adkins is worried whether Lambert will not be able to cut it in this league while someone like Jay Rod will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 (edited) Perhaps Adkins is worried whether Lambert will not be able to cut it in this league Umm, perhaps. But I'd suggest not considering Lambert's great start to the season and Adkins repeatedly saying he knows Lambert will be able to step up to this level before the season started, and then consequently effectively saying "I told you so" after his Ipswich performance (among others). Edited 23 August, 2011 by niceandfriendly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 Umm, perhaps. But I'd suggest not considering Lambert's great start to the season and Adkins repeatedly saying he knows Lambert will be able to step up to this level before the season started, and then consequently effectively saying "I told you so" after his Ipswich performance (among others). IMHO Lambert has had one very good game, I would not say it's been great with the other matches, I admit he has held the ball up well and passes it about like the rest of them but he is not that person who can beat the last man with pace If we had a break away. That's what we are lacking only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 The Leicester fans have been quite critical of this guy, it sounds like they'd be happy to see him leave Do you think Sven would sell a player to their main rivals if he was any good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 Just a thought. With the rumour of this guy coming in something does not add up. With a couple of agents talking us up after some big rumoured bids and hearing about how Saints are outbidding LCFC on some of their targets, then it might suggests we are looking to bring in yet another striker with Waghorn? Perhaps Adkins is worried whether Lambert will not be able to cut it in this league while someone like Jay Rod will. Conolly's injury record must also concern Adkins as will Barnard's impending court case. Perhaps it's Barnard that he is concerned may not be able to step up if required. From those twitter ITKs they did seem to imply Maynard and Jay Rod wasn't an either/or situation, they wanted both so two strikers may have always been NA's intention. Also, in today's Echo it says that Waghorn was offered to Bristol City as part of a bid for Maynard earlier in the summer, but Waghorn refused to cooperate as he wants to fight for his place at LCFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 Waghorn? A little underwhelming IMO, he's hardly prolific, we should be testing BC's resolve with a decent bid for Maynard or Jayrod. I don't want our rivals cast offs here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 Just have a feeling we will be surprised and delighted when Aug 31st comes around! Merely a feeling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 I still think someone like ebanks Blake would be a better way to go. Waghorn seems like the cheap gamble option. Ebanks Blake isn't for sale. MMc has told the player that he's staying and has no intention of selling him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 Waghorn? A little underwhelming IMO, he's hardly prolific, we should be testing BC's resolve with a decent bid for Maynard or Jayrod. I don't want our rivals cast offs here. Burnley won't shift from £6m and he's simply not worth that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 They really don't rate him at all.... http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=75298 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 They really don't rate him at all.... http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=75298 That isn't what they say on that topic at all. Most on the first page reckon it would be a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 They really don't rate him at all.... http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=75298 Doesn't read like that to me. He was a massive fans favorite for them, as he was a key reason why they reached the playoffs a couple of seasons ago under pearson. They then paid £3m for him! Sven's come in and brought in his own overpaid players and he hasn't got a look in. On form, I think he's a terrific player, similar to Barnard in that he works his arse off non-stop and has a bit more pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 That isn't what they say on that topic at all. Most on the first page reckon it would be a loss. I somehow mixed up the links but there is another thread slagging him off big time, Reading this thread I have to agree, some rate him as a prospect. Personally I think it's a gamble he's not done much outside of league 1 has he? It proves that fans all have different views on players doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 I somehow mixed up the links but there is another thread slagging him off big time, Reading this thread I have to agree, some rate him as a prospect. Personally I think it's a gamble he's not done much outside of league 1 has he? It proves that fans all have different views on players doesn't it? It's quite funny that by posting the wrong link, you completely contradicted your own point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 People say 4th official is usually pretty reliable. he just relays what he picks up on other twitter feeds and other websites. he posts lots of 'transfers' to happen....think Ive seen about two that have gone through that I hadn't read about elsewhere on main media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 he just relays what he picks up on other twitter feeds and other websites. he posts lots of 'transfers' to happen....think Ive seen about two that have gone through that I hadn't read about elsewhere on main media. Didn't he say the other day that we had massive bids in for several players and were about to sign Maynard. ANother joker by the sounds of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 IMHO Lambert has had one very good game, I would not say it's been great with the other matches, I admit he has held the ball up well and passes it about like the rest of them but he is not that person who can beat the last man with pace If we had a break away. That's what we are lacking only. no way does adkins not rate rickie. I think rickie has looked v good every game. Different league to waghorn. He will score 20 goals IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerceSaint28 Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 This would make absolutely no sense to me. Leicester are a rival to us and we are both looking to sign the best players in the division, so signing someone not deemed good enough for their team makes absolutely no sense to me at all. Im pretty sure we can do better than this to be honest, link is from the star so wouldn't read too much into it and fourth official hasn't exactly got everyhthing right thus far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 This would make absolutely no sense to me. Leicester are a rival to us and we are both looking to sign the best players in the division, so signing someone not deemed good enough for their team makes absolutely no sense to me at all. Im pretty sure we can do better than this to be honest, link is from the star so wouldn't read too much into it and fourth official hasn't exactly got everyhthing right thus far Would ordinarily agree but Sven is a curious character & I get the impression that if your face doesn't fit, he'll ignore you regardless of how good you are especially if you're not a Sven signing. Waghorn may fall into this category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Red Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 Sven has spent £10m already and you never know, that might be the limit the Thai's have given him. Sven always every penny he's given whether a player is over-priced or not. If he wants more ex-prem overpaid has-beens, he might be forced to sell a few of his current squad first. This might be one of them, although doubt we'd offer the £3m they spent on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 Would be a surprising signing. He has had a stop-start time since he moved permanently and is a confidence player but his form has always been erratic. His main asset is his energy and his ability to work goals out of nothing. Was likened to Rooney when he first moved - likes to play off the frontman (seemingly like many of our players) and is all-action, running, tackling and taking people on. He prospered under Pearson when Leicester played more direct football - v.good at holding the ball up but wasn't seen to have the necessary touch, awareness or pass on him to play in a more technical team (though some of this is down to over-enthusiasm and trying to do too much after coming off the bench). Is a powerful runner in an athletic, box-to-box way but not lightening quick in a ball over the top way. Not a clinical finisher; but can score goals out of nothing. Nothing like Barnard; has elements of Rickie - is more mobile but less polished on the ball. Question is whether the rougher edges to his game are there to stay or whether they can be smoothed out. Would be worth a gamble but not at the price Leicester bought him and shouldn't preclude us from finding a CF who genuinely plays off the shoulder of the last man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMPR Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 From memory he scored goals for fun in Sudnerlands academy team. Just not had the break at first team level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 From memory he scored goals for fun in Sudnerlands academy team. Just not had the break at first team level Good spot. If true could be a real asset if he scores a few and gets his confidence up. Completely trust Nigels judgement, if we are in for him it's for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 Good spot. If true could be a real asset if he scores a few and gets his confidence up. Completely trust Nigels judgement, if we are in for him it's for a reason. If that was a benchmark of success, David McGoaldrought would be a world-beater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 Waghorn? A little underwhelming IMO, he's hardly prolific, we should be testing BC's resolve with a decent bid for Maynard or Jayrod. I don't want our rivals cast offs here. He's still only 21. Obviously didn't get a lot of regular starts at Sunderland, but had a good record when on loan at Leicester. Roy Keane (then manager at Sund'land said he thought the lad had a good future. As for "cast-offs" don't complain too quickly. I recall a 21 year old "cast-off " joining us from Blackburn in 1998. JAMES BEATTIE ! that wasn't such a bad deal at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 If that was a benchmark of success, David McGoaldrought would be a world-beater. Not really, we aren't run by numpties anymore. As Adkins has already stated we will only buy quality, Waghorn could be a very good striker, just like Chris Smalling is a very good defender for Man U, where did he come from, Woking or somewhere like that. Mcgoalkick was cheap when we were in dire straites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 They really don't rate him at all.... http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=75298 Fans at all clubs have differing opinions on players....(although Jack Cork hasn't been here long enough for the "regular moaners " to have started on him yet ...) but they will....in time. A few people on this site who have come out and said that Ricky Lambert is only really good for..free-kicks and penalties!! .......get your head around that statement if you can ...!!!! I'm sure that Waghorn (if signed) ..will prove his worth (when / if ) called upon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 Left out of their squad tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 No thanks. Solely because of how much of a gayer he acted when he missed a pen in the play offs the other year. He actually appeared to drop to the floor unconscious and had to be helped from the pitch by 2 other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 In fairness he was about 18/19 at the time. Anyway, Sven confirmed post match that Waghorn wants to leave and has interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 23 August, 2011 Share Posted 23 August, 2011 Why people on this site continue to dismiss Rickie,god only knows. Also why would Leicester sell one of their players to an a rival team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Why people on this site continue to dismiss Rickie,god only knows. Also why would Leicester sell one of their players to an a rival team.[/QUOTE] Svennis has bought a whole team, (or at least enough to make up a whole new team), and he has to get rid of the " dead wood " he's decided he won't be calling on. (sensible decision), But Waghorn was scarcely a big name in the Leicester set-up, even before Sven's appearance...as for selling to an opponent... Peterboro' selling Machail-Smith to Brighton seemed ridiculous at the time to me..must have been something to do with money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Derby also rumoured to be after Waghorn although they are short of cash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Following on from Saint-Armstong's earlier comments... http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11712_7121396,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Following on from Saint-Armstong's earlier comments... http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11712_7121396,00.html No mention of saints there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Waghorn and Fontaine would be the underwhelming options for me and I'm not sure whether it improves what we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Waghorn and Fontaine would be the underwhelming options for me and I'm not sure whether it improves what we have. Hard to judge really without seeing them play a few games but on the face of it I think Fontaine might improve us - not sure to what extent though. Less sure about Waghorn, and doesn't obviously fit into the category of "better than we already have" but you never can tell. Shane Long wasn't exactly prolific before last season. I think I'd be "whelmed" if we signed either. FWIW I think the Waghorn rumour might be agents trying to drum up interest in a player that wants to move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 IMHO Lambert has had one very good game, I would not say it's been great with the other matches, I admit he has held the ball up well and passes it about like the rest of them but he is not that person who can beat the last man with pace If we had a break away. That's what we are lacking only. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Waghorn has lost his way but there is definately a good player in there, and still very young. Was very highly rated for Sunderland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Hard to judge really without seeing them play a few games but on the face of it I think Fontaine might improve us - not sure to what extent though. Less sure about Waghorn, and doesn't obviously fit into the category of "better than we already have" but you never can tell. Shane Long wasn't exactly prolific before last season. I think I'd be "whelmed" if we signed either. FWIW I think the Waghorn rumour might be agents trying to drum up interest in a player that wants to move. All fair comments and thanks for the sensible reply. I suppose the frustration is that with the OC mooney in our pockets, we have the capability to really bring in proven quality and surprise a few (Maynard, Rodriguez) but instead it appears we are going down the promising youngster and potential route. Now there is nothing wrong with that but I would think that with our excellent start, that extra bit of proven quality might make the difference this year and propell us to promotion. Looking at it from that perspective, then getting in a big name but expensive striker would be worth it as the final piece of the jigsaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Clearly got a nice left foot and gets different types of goals:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL2wgHTTMog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Timmier Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Just been named in the England U21 squad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Ahead of the 6m man Jay Rodriguez as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 August, 2011 Share Posted 24 August, 2011 Ahead of the 6m man Jay Rodriguez as well! Jay Rodriguez is no longer eligible for the under 21's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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