thorpie the sinner Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Two liars!!! don't mind people popping rumours on, even itk stuff, but saying done deal when it isn't is out of line! Shame, really thought Balders would have fitted in niceley! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Two liars!!! One idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 (edited) It must just be me as whilst I think Baldock is a decent player I genuinely dont think he is any better than Barnard..................So I am not at all worried about us not getting him. If you were to offer me just 1 more signing then it would be a centre half not a striker. As for not getting our first, second or even third choice......not at all bothered. We appear to have a genuine team spirit & that my friends can not be bought for hundreds of millions of pounds!!!! I keep hearing this phrase .." not better than we've got .."... but how do you compare that.,and when..after his first month? end of the season ? Baldock is considerably younger than Barnard, has played less games, so how can anyone say he is better ..or worse?. He may be considerably better ....when he is a bit older and has played with a team at a higher level. Memories of Steve Moran (aged 20) found himself playing in a forward line which read; Keegan, Channon, Charlie George and Alan Ball.... He got loads of "assists " and couldn't help but score and he got 18 goals (top scorer) in 30 starts in his first full season in top flight. I don't think NA means buy someone as a reserve, but let's face it ..if he's only.. AS GOOD AS.. Barnard - he'll be a good buy. Edited 26 August, 2011 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 One idiot. I don't think you're that bad mate!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 ..if he's only.. AS GOOD AS.. Barnard - he'll be a good buy. If he's only as good as someone who isn't getting in the team there's no point in buying him. Which is why people keep saying "no better than what we've got". If he turns out to be a starter, great - but in that case he IS better than someone who isn't getting in the team. I seriously doubt we'll be buying anyone not to improve the team - or at the very least to add someone who can do things we don't have at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed demon Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 It ****** me off though when we will read every where now that WHU BEAT Saints to Baldock. Total ********. They didn't beat us to anyone, what they did do is work out their finances on the back of a fag packet and decide that if we just throw more money at him, he will join. He was rumoured to be at our medical last night and I would assume WAS going to sign but money won the day (as usual). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 It ****** me off though when we will read every where now that WHU BEAT Saints to Baldock. Total ********. They didn't beat us to anyone, what they did do is work out their finances on the back of a fag packet and decide that if we just throw more money at him, he will join. He was rumoured to be at our medical last night and I would assume WAS going to sign but money won the day (as usual). So then they did beat us to the signing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 It ****** me off though when we will read every where now that WHU BEAT Saints to Baldock. Total ********. They didn't beat us to anyone, what they did do is work out their finances on the back of a fag packet and decide that if we just throw more money at him, he will join. He was rumoured to be at our medical last night and I would assume WAS going to sign but money won the day (as usual). If we're going to start complaining about teams "outmuscling us" financially, can I suggest we go back to being in League One ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Footballer opts for more money shock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 If he's gonna join an absolute basket case of a football club because they offer him more money then he's clearly not the player we need... IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 It must just be me as whilst I think Baldock is a decent player I genuinely dont think he is any better than Barnard..................So I am not at all worried about us not getting him. If you were to offer me just 1 more signing then it would be a centre half not a striker. As for not getting our first, second or even third choice......not at all bothered. We appear to have a genuine team spirit & that my friends can not be bought for hundreds of millions of pounds!!!! I agree with you, I think we can do just as well with the positive spirit and will power of the current squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 It's a good move for him. Let's not be bitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Has it actually been confirmed anywhere official or reliable yet, or are we all just going on the website of that bastion of journalistic excellence, Talksport?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Has it actually been confirmed anywhere official or reliable yet, or are we all just going on the website of that bastion of journalistic excellence, Talksport?? My source told me West Ham was the destination ages ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 If we're going to start complaining about teams "outmuscling us" financially, can I suggest we go back to being in League One ? Let's be honest, we all know why it's annoyed us. As much as he's disliked around here right now, Warnock made the point how he couldn't beleive how Portsmouth were outbidding QPR in terms of wages and fees when they were pleading poverty and in financial peril last year. Looking at west ham, it seems they never learn: 2009: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/apr/17/west-ham-united-iceland-banks-zola 2010: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/8544520.stm 2011: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Relegation-will-push-West-Ham-s-debt-past-100m-says-finance-expert-article736972.html I fully support NA and NC, and I as annoying as being outbid is, I hope West Ham fail in their promotion bid, implode, and we pick up any decent offerings on the cheap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 (edited) strange that half the contributors on here were adamant that we don't need to sign anyone, and that the squad is good enough. well IMHO the squad is good..and IF they all stay fit, and IF no-one gets suspended and IF no-one loses form, we will continue to play well and win. However, there are too many IF's there for my liking, and so we do need extra players (of a similar quality) not necessarily BETTER but now I sense some people are beginning to feel nervous and unsure because we haven't signed any of those we've (apparantly) bid for... (if the rumours we herer are believed to be true). It's not a shortage of money to be sure, but finding the people with the right attitude who will fit in with the existing playing staff I'm really not too concerned..an extra face or two will give us greater depth but I'm not going to lose any sleep over the lack of signings so far. Edited 26 August, 2011 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Looks like the link has been taken down, can't see it anywhere else. Has this definitely gone through or just talk sport jumping the gun like people on her last night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commodore Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 For what it's worth Baldock is probably on the move as MK Dons have just signed "striker Charlie MacDonald from Brentford for an undisclosed fee. The 30-year-old, who scored 45 goals in his 127 matches at Brentford, has agreed a two-year-deal at Stadium MK." This from the BBC 5 live web site. Assume that he might be the replacement for SB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Maybe the talks or medical didn't go according to plan at Upton Park? Or maybe he preferred the chance to move to the South Coast instead? Would be good if so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Think I'm the only one that wouldn't be that bothered whether we sign Baldock or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Think I'm the only one that wouldn't be that bothered whether we sign Baldock or not. Nope, I'd rather we pay the £5-6 million it would take to get Rodriguez! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Nope, I'd rather we pay the £5-6 million it would take to get Rodriguez! I agree. We have the oxo money we might as well use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Think I'm the only one that wouldn't be that bothered whether we sign Baldock or not. No, not really. Baldock could have been good but maybe not - certainly wasn't convinced but maybe worth a gamble. I wasn't fussed about Gorkss or Fontaine either. Rodriguez, Waghorn meh, not bothered either. It's a shame if we haven't signed the players NA wants but not the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Does this mean COle is leaving West Ham? In other words, they will be weaker. Happy days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 On TV in Norwich (which includes MK area). £2million move to WHam reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 No, not really. Baldock could have been good but maybe not - certainly wasn't convinced but maybe worth a gamble. I wasn't fussed about Gorkss or Fontaine either. Rodriguez, Waghorn meh, not bothered either. It's a shame if we haven't signed the players NA wants but not the end of the world. I think your expectations are a tad high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 I think your expectations are a tad high. Indeed. Certainly don't think Rodriguez is to be sniffed at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Indeed. Certainly don't think Rodriguez is to be sniffed at. Rodriguez and gorkss would have been perfect IMO and if the rumour about Adkins having a little tiff with cortese were true I can see why. Maybe we will stil get Jay rod (hope so.) but will be tough to get a proven cb like gorkss who wants to play in the npc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 I think your expectations are a tad high. Well my expectations are for mid table and I'd be happy with that - players such as Baldock, Gorkss, Fontaine and Waghorn I don't think will improve us dramatically, and for the first time in ages I'm pretty happy with the squad so I'm not sure how that's having high expectations? Of course it all comes down to assessments of players and of course whoever we bring in (if any) then I'll support them. As for Rodriguez, it's not that I don't rate him but I don't think he offers anything that we're crying out for and is well over valued. Personally I think we probably will go back in for him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Nope, I'd rather we pay the £5-6 million it would take to get Rodriguez! I agree also,would spending that kind of sum of money, on what appears to be a very good player, increase our chances of gaining the points required for a very successful season? i believe the answer is yes. So could the outlay of £6m be very prudent in the longterm,again i think yes. Weighing it up,£6m could prove to be peanuts in the grand scheme of things. Nothing is certain in football,i agree,but i think we should push the boat out,just this once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 So could the outlay of £6m be very prudent in the longterm,again i think yes. Weighing it up,£6m could prove to be peanuts in the grand scheme of things. Nothing is certain in football,i agree,but i think we should push the boat out,just this once. This presumably is a quote from Michael Wilde? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Funny how there's still been no official confirmation of West Ham signing Baldock yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Well my expectations are for mid table and I'd be happy with that - players such as Baldock, Gorkss, Fontaine and Waghorn I don't think will improve us dramatically, and for the first time in ages I'm pretty happy with the squad so I'm not sure how that's having high expectations? Of course it all comes down to assessments of players and of course whoever we bring in (if any) then I'll support them. As for Rodriguez, it's not that I don't rate him but I don't think he offers anything that we're crying out for and is well over valued. Personally I think we probably will go back in for him though. I think gorkss and Rodriguez would really improve us though I accept it is a matter of opinion. If nothing else it gets rid of the only real weaknesses in the squad and could be the difference this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Rodriguez and gorkss would have been perfect IMO and if the rumour about Adkins having a little tiff with cortese were true I can see why. Maybe we will stil get Jay rod (hope so.) but will be tough to get a proven cb like gorkss who wants to play in the npc. Hadn't heard about that, was it over transfer budgets etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Hadn't heard about that, was it over transfer budgets etc? it probably never happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 This presumably is a quote from Michael Wilde? Difference being that we actually have money to spend from the aoc sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 I think gorkss and Rodriguez would really improve us though I accept it is a matter of opinion. If nothing else it gets rid of the only real weaknesses in the squad and could be the difference this year. Difference in what ? playoffs ? automatic or mid table? Depends what ambitions and plans we have for the year. I am not being controversial here, but NA has never mentioned promotion this year as an aim. I think that the plan this year is most likely consolidation. Both NA and NC believe we can do that with the current squad and are biding their time to get the right players in who will commit to the club over the next two or three years. They are also looking for players to develop with out breaking the bank. Just a theory, expect as usual i will get abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 I think gorkss and Rodriguez would really improve us though I accept it is a matter of opinion. If nothing else it gets rid of the only real weaknesses in the squad and could be the difference this year. Well playing devil's advocate here what attributes does Rodriguez bring to the team that we desperately need? He's not that quick, he likes to drop deep in the manner that Lambert has been doing for us and he's not a clever player in the same sense Lallana is either. I'd love us to spend that sort of cash but if we are going to break our transfer record then I'd rather it was on someone that addressed some glaring deficiencies in the team and got us all excited in the same way Lambert signing did. As I say, I don't think Rodriguez is a bad player and if we needed someone in the Sheringham or Dean Ashton mould then I'd be all for it. I realise we won't get them but for the money being asked Maynard or Sordell would compliment the team better. As for Gorkss I think he would have improved us but not massively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Well playing devil's advocate here what attributes does Rodriguez bring to the team that we desperately need? He's not that quick, he likes to drop deep in the manner that Lambert has been doing for us and he's not a clever player in the same sense Lallana is either. I'd love us to spend that sort of cash but if we are going to break our transfer record then I'd rather it was on someone that addressed some glaring deficiencies in the team and got us all excited in the same way Lambert signing did. As I say, I don't think Rodriguez is a bad player and if we needed someone in the Sheringham or Dean Ashton mould then I'd be all for it. I realise we won't get them but for the money being asked Maynard or Sordell would compliment the team better. As for Gorkss I think he would have improved us but not massively. I don't know what makes you think he isn't quick - seen him on the wing and has looked pretty lively. Can easily beat his man for pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Difference in what ? playoffs ? automatic or mid table? Depends what ambitions and plans we have for the year. I am not being controversial here, but NA has never mentioned promotion this year as an aim. I think that the plan this year is most likely consolidation. Both NA and NC believe we can do that with the current squad and are biding their time to get the right players in who will commit to the club over the next two or three years. They are also looking for players to develop with out breaking the bank. Just a theory, expect as usual i will get abuse. Thats probably the best post you have ever made why cant you do that more regularly than being a complete ****? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 I agree also,would spending that kind of sum of money, on what appears to be a very good player, increase our chances of gaining the points required for a very successful season? i believe the answer is yes. So could the outlay of £6m be very prudent in the longterm,again i think yes. Weighing it up,£6m could prove to be peanuts in the grand scheme of things. Nothing is certain in football,i agree,but i think we should push the boat out,just this once. Your post about the possible purchase of Rodrigues sums up my feelings exactly. There would still be enough left over to buy a decent left sided Central defender too. So far this summer we have had too many rumours and allegedly failed bids imo and now we need some to complete. (I am aware that signing Cork and maybe De Ridder was great news!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 I don't know what makes you think he isn't quick - seen him on the wing and has looked pretty lively. Can easily beat his man for pace. Well if you're pinning your hopes on pace as an attribute for Rodriguez then you'll be disappointed. Although he's not slow he's just not that kind of player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 I personally think spending 6m on a striker in the champ is an obscene amount of money and its not like spending it would guarantee promotion. I'd be interested to hear which players qpr and norwich paid over 5m for last season? Or are people suggesting we use leicester and west ham as our models? We are playing good football with the side we have but need different options up front we don't 'need' to spend 6m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Well if you're pinning your hopes on pace as an attribute for Rodriguez then you'll be disappointed. Although he's not slow he's just not that kind of player. Agree he's not a pure speedster; but he is arguably more mobile than alot of our frontline. Its precisely why I rate him - I like his versatility and his intelligence- seems perfectly suited to the kind of fluid, interchangeable football we've been playing and gives us another option in the air (where we're short should Lambert pick up an injury or suffer a dip in form). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 I agree. We have the oxo money we might as well use it. have we? We made a loss in the first year if £7m and our wage bill went up in the second year (and will have again) so depending on how much money the new owners are willing to lend/give whatever you want to call it, there might not be the £6m available. Yes we bid for Sharpe before the Oxo money came in, but it always was coming in (his Dad said as much at the end of last season). I don't think we are going to be spending that sort of money (£6m) on one player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 I personally think spending 6m on a striker in the champ is an obscene amount of money and its not like spending it would guarantee promotion. I'd be interested to hear which players qpr and norwich paid over 5m for last season? Or are people suggesting we use leicester and west ham as our models? We are playing good football with the side we have but need different options up front we don't 'need' to spend 6m QPR spent £3.5m on Faurlin this season before last. I think that was their biggest transfer. Big for this league 2 seasons ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 i think we should push the boat out,just this once. Leeds 2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 so has baldock been signed by whu or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Only according to Talksport not reported anywhere else yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint J Posted 26 August, 2011 Share Posted 26 August, 2011 Only according to Talksport not reported anywhere else yet Was reported on the east anglian news which covers the MK area, 2m deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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