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david in sweden

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haven't only set a new record of unbeaten games, and you need to go back to the 1970's to find good starts where we went unbeaten (wins+draws) for 4 or 5 games, but THREE STRAIGHT WINS has only been recorded TWICE SINCE WW2.

 

Glancing back through my well-thumbed copy of IN THAT NUMBER, I found that Aug 1988 in (Div.1) we started with wins; West Ham 4-0, QPR 1-0 and Luton 2-1 (remember them).

 

and go way back to 1957 (Div.3 South) until you find wins over Millwall 2-1, Walsall 4-1 and Gillingham 5-1. These are the only occasions we have started SO well in the last 65 years.

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YES ! .........in the 1957 season, the first 3 wins were followed by 2 drawn games, before we lost game 6.

 

in 1988...game 4...was a 2-2 draw v. Arsenal at Highbury...(incidentally..the season that all 3 Wallace brothers played together.)

 

we would have won at Arsenal too, were we were 2-0 up, if it hadn't have been for the dodgy ref who played 8 mins of injury time and should of sent off Paul Davis for an off the ball punch that broke Glenn Cockerill's jaw

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we would have won at Arsenal too, were we were 2-0 up, if it hadn't have been for the dodgy ref who played 8 mins of injury time and should of sent off Paul Davis for an off the ball punch that broke Glenn Cockerill's jaw

 

The ref was David Axcell. Considering I have a memory like a goldfish, that might give you some idea how bent he was. 8 minutes is irrelevant, it would have been 18, the game wasn't going to finish until arsenal scored...twice. The biggest wrong doing in my Saints supporting life.

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Does it say if any of the previous runs included cup games? I know we are talking about league results but we have technically won 4 on the trot this season

 

The answers to that aren't so difficult. 1957 there was no League Cup competition. That began in 1960-61.

 

Teams in the top 2 divisons didn't have to enter until Round 2 which was then played in mid September so that excludes the 1988 stats. (incidentally we had a cup run to 5th round beating; Crewe, Newcastle and Norwich before losing 1-0 to an 88th min. goal at White Hart Lane)

 

FA Cup first round games start in the Autumn, so our first FA Cup game in 1957 was in November. We beat amateurs Walton and Hersham 6-1 away... (a certain Derek Reeves scored 4). We lost 0-1 in rd.2 away to Crystal Palace.

 

As a Div.1 side in 1988, We wouldn't have entered the competition until Rd.3 in January.

 

So those earlier stats. are based only on the opening league games of the season.

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Can we check goals scored..... in our first 4 games we have scored 13 goals.... have we ever done that before

 

for part of this answer you must read # 8 thread also.

 

Football was very much more open and attacking 50 years ago and in the old Div.3 South days we scored 13 in the first 4 games 1953-54 (that was 3 wins - and one defeat). and in the same era we also scored 10, 11 and 12 in diff.seasons, though never with all winning games.

 

After we entered Div1 (1966) life became tougher and despite the epic career of goal scorers Ron Davies and Martin Chivers, we never came close - and in fact scoring 2 or more was somewhat unusual with much tighter defences.

 

1986-87 we scored 11 times in the first 4 matches, mainly thanks to new signing of N.I. striker Colin Clarke, who scored a hat-trick on his debut (and actually got 7 goals in the first 8 games).

 

In later years. life in the Premier League (1992- ) was a matter of survival and we were glad not to concede 13 in the first 4 ),

in fact... 1998-99 we let in 12 goals in the first 4 games).

 

Now, hopefully the start of a new era that will get better and better.

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As you are throwing in these amazing records, how many home games have we won on the bounce and what is our win ratio of the last 20 games please?

 

thank you Mr Stats.

 

I can nearly answer this for league games

 

We finished last season with a record of W 13 D 1 L 1

 

Started this season with W 3 D 0 L 0

 

So for the last 18 games, we are W 16 D 1 L 1

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Thanks for the history - it makes genuinely interesting reading - as a Saint's supporter since boyhood in 1958, I've lived through a lot of it, including the struggles of the late 1990's. I would just say that statistically its not really relevant to take account of last season's year end results as it was in a lower division against, theoretically, weaker teams. It's also a warning when you see the three-win start in 1957 being followed by 2 draws and a defeat. On the other hand, the fact of our 3-win start being in a higher league is a definite positive that will have boosted player confidence. It will have to end but wouldn't six games be great to go into September, especially as that would include Leicester! Still, one at a time, so bring on Millwall.

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Doesnt make sense. How can it be only 9 games since a defeat home or away?

 

It appears that it's only our stats for League games and doesn't include cups, so our last defeat in the league was 9 games ago away against Rochdale. Our last Home defeat in the League was 13 games ago back on 2nd Dec.

 

It's a shame the stats don't include all competetions really.

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Thanks for the history - it makes genuinely interesting reading - as a Saint's supporter since boyhood in 1958, I've lived through a lot of it, including the struggles of the late 1990's. I would just say that statistically its not really relevant to take account of last season's year end results as it was in a lower division against, theoretically, weaker teams. It's also a warning when you see the three-win start in 1957 being followed by 2 draws and a defeat.our 3-win start being in a higher league is a definite positive that will have boosted player confidence.

 

Of course you're right (here)but record-breaking is not about comparing team with team ..or player with player, but is a reflection of performances on the day.

 

Like everyone else I'd be overjoyed to think we'd win 46 straight League games, but most realists know it's not likely to happen.

It does happen, of course I recall the Leeds sides of the early 1970's who took the League, and even Europe by storm but always seemed to fall at the last hurdle. Manager Don Revie said in an interview..he told his players.. " we're going to go thorough this season and not lose a game."... it didn't quite happen, but they did go 35 games on the trot without losing a game....!.

In the early days with Arsenal ..Wenger's team went ..50 games without defeat...?

 

However, a good start does reflect something about the team's morale, ability and unity. Those previous illustrations show that those (Saints) sides began well although they didn't win anything at the end ...nor does it suggest that we played the three weakest teams in the League.... or that we caught them " on a bad day.".

 

Look back to those threads in mid June after the fixture lists were published, when everyone was quivering in their shoes at the

headlines talked about " tough start we have to the season " ...yeah sure baby !

 

The best reading is the comments from the managers of Leeds, Barnsley and Ipswich who complimented Saints - and seemed glad we hadn't won by a larger score. Those opposition players were scared ****le** by our passing, possession and attacking style. That makes nice reading - doesn't it ?

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david in sweden - I like your work! Very knowledgeable.

 

Unfortunately, David, you are quoting our 1968 League Cup run. In 1988 we beat Lincoln over 2 legs. Scarborough after a replay. Spurs at home and then lost to Luton in a replay at The Dell. Rod Wallace having a perfectly good goal disallowed.

 

I was at the Spurs game in 68 as a 10 year old and a few notorious Milton Rd regulars went up in my mate's dads caravanette with us. We were given all their watches and wallets before the game as they were "wading in" at the Park Lane end. The Spurs sub, Collins, scored the winner and he was a centre half on due to an injury. We hit the bar 3 times.

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Unfortunately, David, you are quoting our 1968 League Cup run. In 1988 we beat Lincoln over 2 legs. Scarborough after a replay. Spurs at home and then lost to Luton in a replay at The Dell. Rod Wallace having a perfectly good goal disallowed.

 

I was at the Spurs game in 68 as a 10 year old and a few notorious Milton Rd regulars went up in my mate's dads caravanette with us. We were given all their watches and wallets before the game as they were "wading in" at the Park Lane end. The Spurs sub, Collins, scored the winner and he was a centre half on due to an injury. We hit the bar 3 times.

 

Correct, Let's be Avenue,

...either I was flicking through the pages too fast... or I've begun to be dyslexic !

However, it doesn't affect the original q. which was about the number of early season goals we'd scored historically.

These are not applicable because neither cup competition starts so early in the season.

 

..but thanks for pointing out the error anyway.

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