The Kraken Posted 3 October, 2011 Posted 3 October, 2011 Why was it agreed that it would be at the club's discretion if/when it was ever shown the light of day again after the ML tournament when the majority of it was paid for by the fans? Further to that, what percentage of the cost did the club contribute towards it? Exactly right; the fact that a lot of people have donated a lot of money for ownership of something that the club have subsequently denied the return of doesn't reflect very well at all.
Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2011 Posted 3 October, 2011 It's a shambles TBH.not like you to have the most posts on a club bashing thread
stevegrant Posted 3 October, 2011 Posted 3 October, 2011 not like you to have the most posts on a club bashing thread Or for you to have racked up more than anyone else despite claiming indifference to the subject.
Spudders Posted 3 October, 2011 Posted 3 October, 2011 not like you to have the most posts on a club bashing thread Why do you have to imply people are ‘club bashing’ rather than just asking questions?
Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2011 Posted 3 October, 2011 Or for you to have racked up more than anyone else despite claiming indifference to the subject. i am indifferent...but lets be straight is hardly a "shambles" does not take a sane person to realise it would be used very sparingly..
stevegrant Posted 3 October, 2011 Posted 3 October, 2011 i am indifferent...but lets be straight is hardly a "shambles" does not take a sane person to realise it would be used very sparingly.. Nor does it take a sane person to realise that the club's wall of silence to the very person who organised the fundraising and presented the thing to the club to use is wrong on many levels.
Spudders Posted 3 October, 2011 Posted 3 October, 2011 Nor does it take a sane person to realise the difference between ‘club bashing’ and simply asking questions on a subject it’d be considered reasonable to have a response to from the club. People aren’t questioning the frequency of the flags use, but merely asking when we may expect to see it next?
Deano6 Posted 3 October, 2011 Posted 3 October, 2011 Why was it agreed that it would be at the club's discretion if/when it was ever shown the light of day again after the ML tournament when the majority of it was paid for by the fans? Further to that, what percentage of the cost did the club contribute towards it? I'm not sure the club are claiming to own it. They are however, to the best of my knowledge, not charging any rent for the storage facility they are providing, which is very generous in my opinion. If you all feel so strongly about it you should go down to St Marys and pick it up - I'm sure they won't mind.
um pahars Posted 3 October, 2011 Posted 3 October, 2011 Why do you have to imply people are ‘club bashing’ rather than just asking questions? Dontyaknow that's how it works on here. You ask a question, profer an opinion, suggest an alternative, and bingo you're a Club hating, Cortese is the Devil, agenda driven, always moaning kind of fan. It's much easier for people on here if them the rules.
The Kraken Posted 3 October, 2011 Posted 3 October, 2011 I'm not sure the club are claiming to own it. They are however, to the best of my knowledge, not charging any rent for the storage facility they are providing, which is very generous in my opinion. If you all feel so strongly about it you should go down to St Marys and pick it up - I'm sure they won't mind. Being as the club have simply ignored all requests for clarification from the fund-raising organiser, I'd feel less confident of that, if I'm honest.
Deano6 Posted 3 October, 2011 Posted 3 October, 2011 I don't. It's easy to ignore an email, especially when you're being asked to commit to something. Go down there and ask for it back in person, bet they'd give it back.
The Kraken Posted 3 October, 2011 Posted 3 October, 2011 I don't. It's easy to ignore an email, especially when you're being asked to commit to something. Go down there and ask for it back in person, bet they'd give it back. Being as I don't own it, I have no idea why you think they would just let me walk out with it.
Spudders Posted 3 October, 2011 Posted 3 October, 2011 Being as I don't own it, I have no idea why you think they would just let me walk out with it. Maybe they'd let us all take our percentage share of the flag away individually, that way if it is ever allowed to be used again, we can all just get together and stand in the right positions to fit all our bits together like a mosaic!
Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2011 Posted 3 October, 2011 Exactly right; the fact that a lot of people have donated a lot of money for ownership of something that the club have subsequently denied the return of doesn't reflect very well at all.has anyone actually asked for it back...?
The Kraken Posted 3 October, 2011 Posted 3 October, 2011 has anyone actually asked for it back...? Perhaps a poor choice of words from me; but still, undeniably poor to hear from JustMike that the club have now ceased any correspondence with him on the matter. I personally think the Memorial game is the right time to get the flag out; but that's not really the point being made here.
Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2011 Posted 3 October, 2011 Perhaps a poor choice of words from me; but still, undeniably poor to hear from JustMike that the club have now ceased any correspondence with him on the matter. I personally think the Memorial game is the right time to get the flag out; but that's not really the point being made here. ok, if it really bothers people that much. why not ask for it back at the next home game.... or just pop down and get it..? bet neither will happen and we just continue to moan on here
latter day saint Posted 3 October, 2011 Posted 3 October, 2011 has anyone actually asked for it back...? do we really want it back ? what would we do with it ? smuggle it in every game imo the fact the club have ignored Mikes requests for information is just plain wrong. if they tell us its a health & safety issue, fair enough , it sucks but at least we would know then.
The Kraken Posted 3 October, 2011 Posted 3 October, 2011 ok, if it really bothers people that much. why not ask for it back at the next home game.... or just pop down and get it..? bet neither will happen and we just continue to moan on here I don't think questioning when the flag will be displayed again is all that unreasonable (or moaning), but you clearly have a bee in your bonnet about it for some reason. And I don't think it constitues a great deal of effort to provide an answer to the leader of a fund-raising effort as to his numerous requests for information on it; especially as a sizeable amount of money was donated by fans.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 4 October, 2011 Author Posted 4 October, 2011 Perhaps if the club wish to keep the flag and not communicate to the fans that bought it, they could cough up an amount of money equal to the total fan contribution and make a donation to the Saints Foundation? I would rather see my money go to something useful than on a flag that I am never going to see at SMS.
red&white56 Posted 4 October, 2011 Posted 4 October, 2011 Disappointing situation - even though it was never agreed how often the flag would be used with the club before I contributed (if it was agreed then I've forgotten) but I was expecting a constructive discussion with the club on its use. They want a passionate atmoshhere at the statium to encourage the team and this was one thing some of us did feel passionate about and I at least would like to see it more than once a year..
Deeps Posted 4 October, 2011 Posted 4 October, 2011 Perhaps, this should be one of the questions at the next NC/Fans dinner.
dune Posted 5 October, 2011 Posted 5 October, 2011 I think it's in the clubs possession now, and they decide when/where to use it etc. I think Mike has tried to communicate with them, but they haven't been very forthcoming. So Nicola decides when a flag payed for by fans is allowed to be used. Disgraceful.
paris Posted 5 October, 2011 Posted 5 October, 2011 Two i thinks there i see , can we get 100% clarification on this before the public hanging starts ....
trousers Posted 5 October, 2011 Posted 5 October, 2011 Perhaps, this should be one of the questions at the next NC/Fans dinner. People don't report back on these anymore....
boxosponge Posted 5 October, 2011 Posted 5 October, 2011 People don't report back on these anymore.... That could be because only a very few season ticket holders are offered an invite and, despite what many seem to believe, this board only has relatively few season ticket holders as contributors. The simple chance of a board contributor being invited are pretty high I reckon. And then there will no doubt be a black list of people who will never be given an invite.
once_bitterne Posted 5 October, 2011 Posted 5 October, 2011 And Plymouth fans think they have it tough.....
Golden Balls Posted 5 October, 2011 Posted 5 October, 2011 Are we still going on about this..... Snore If you don't care, don't look or comment. I care.
trousers Posted 5 October, 2011 Posted 5 October, 2011 That could be because only a very few season ticket holders are offered an invite and, despite what many seem to believe, this board only has relatively few season ticket holders as contributors. The simple chance of a board contributor being invited are pretty high I reckon. And then there will no doubt be a black list of people who will never be given an invite. Two people from here declared they attended last month's meeting but neither felt inclined to post even a summary of what was discussed. Just an observation
saintscottofthenortham Posted 5 October, 2011 Posted 5 October, 2011 Are we still going on about this..... Snore I'll assume you didn't contribute a decent sum of money towards the flag. I did, as did all of us on this thread, and we care.
JustMike Posted 5 October, 2011 Posted 5 October, 2011 Finally got a reply... "Apologies for you not receiving a reply, I was under the impression that Mark had sent you one. As I believe Mark explained when you came for a meeting at St Mary’s, the issue with displaying the flag relates to the safety of supporters within the ground when this flag is overhead. A large amount of paperwork needs to be completed for every fixture that the flag is unveiled, and as such it was agreed that it would only be used for the occasional high profile game and fixtures that fall outside the normal parameters of regular home matches (pre-season friendlies)." I did point out that other clubs such as Liverpool etc seem to have no issue with their flags and are often out, it does appear that the OB are playing hard ball with regards to "safety" The club (to answer Steve Grants question) donated £2k.
benjii Posted 5 October, 2011 Posted 5 October, 2011 It's shame if there is a lot of red tape involved but, provided the thing is rolled out for important games, I think that is a satisfactory response with respect to how often the flag is unfurled. Shame it apparently took a long time to come.
JustMike Posted 5 October, 2011 Posted 5 October, 2011 It's shame if there is a lot of red tape involved but, provided the thing is rolled out for important games, I think that is a satisfactory response with respect to how often the flag is unfurled. Shame it apparently took a long time to come. yes, I lost count at how many emails and phones calls were ignored / unreplied to. I even had a couple of head stewards I know on the case but they were told nothing. We really need to work on our customer relations!
Spudders Posted 5 October, 2011 Posted 5 October, 2011 Cheers Mike, shame though that they've still not been specific by the sounds of it, so we still don't know when it'll next be seen?
Golden Balls Posted 6 October, 2011 Posted 6 October, 2011 At least we now know it will get used. I'm assuming the pompey game and games at the end of the season if/when we're pushing for promotion. Shame all of those games are still a long way away. Thanks Mike.
theyin Posted 6 October, 2011 Posted 6 October, 2011 Poor all round IMO. Tucked away in a corner at a match no one went to was by far the most underwhelming sight I've seen concerning Saints.
Golden Balls Posted 17 October, 2011 Posted 17 October, 2011 Surely the West Ham match is big enough? Big game, 1st Vs 2nd. Big team and a sell out. What more must be asked for?
dune Posted 17 October, 2011 Posted 17 October, 2011 I notice that Derby had a giant flag on Saturday. It seems to me like Saints are just being awkward.
Seaford Saint Posted 17 October, 2011 Posted 17 October, 2011 I paid £20 towards the flag. What exactly have I got for my money.....Loads of clubs have flags - why is our restriction in place? When for others its not an issue to display it.
SFKA South Woodford Posted 17 October, 2011 Posted 17 October, 2011 I paid £20 towards the flag. What exactly have I got for my money.....Loads of clubs have flags - why is our restriction in place? When for others its not an issue to display it. Could it possibly be down to our lovely friends in the Hampshire Constabulary? Those guys love us so much, always looking out for our safety first and foremost!
Chez Posted 17 October, 2011 Posted 17 October, 2011 And then there will no doubt be a black list of people who will never be given an invite. on what basis would this blacklist be created? I've moaned on here about the actions of the club on several occasions, but there is no way of linking my posts to my season ticket number.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 17 October, 2011 Author Posted 17 October, 2011 on what basis would this blacklist be created? I've moaned on here about the actions of the club on several occasions, but there is no way of linking my posts to my season ticket number. Or is there??? (Cue scary Hammer movie music). (:
Saint Fan CaM Posted 17 October, 2011 Author Posted 17 October, 2011 Could it possibly be down to our lovely friends in the Hampshire Constabulary? Those guys love us so much, always looking out for our safety first and foremost! It doesn't add up. Unless there are specific laws applicable in Southampton I cannot believe H&S is a good enough reason not to get freakin' flag out at a game of footie! As long as it gets tucked up before the whistle goes there should be no problem unless it's made of canvas or similar, then the weight would be a problem I suppose. What exactly is it made of Mike?
Nexstar Posted 17 October, 2011 Posted 17 October, 2011 If I was Mike I would be kicking up a serious fuss. The fans paid for two-thirds of in and yet most them haven't even seen it in the flesh. Derby used a similar sized flag on saturday without issue, Liverpool do it every week and I'm pretty sure Boro as well, to name but a few. If it is only to be brought out for "big" games then we should absolutely expect to see it on Tuesday, as they don't come any bigger! If it doesn't get an airing on Tuesday then the club are clearly lying and need to have it made more obvious to the them by the fans.
HurleyBurley Posted 17 October, 2011 Posted 17 October, 2011 I didn't contribute to this flag, but if the safety concerns are a problem fair do's. That said I don't believe it should not be seen again, £4K from fans is a lot of money. Do we still do All Saints Day, when those that have passed away are remembered each year? If so perhaps the flag could be laid on the pitch pre-match on occasions such as this? That's the sort of thing the organiser of this flag should be looking into - If there's a problem, what are the alternatives
Nexstar Posted 17 October, 2011 Posted 17 October, 2011 I didn't contribute to this flag, but if the safety concerns are a problem fair do's. That said I don't believe it should not be seen again, £4K from fans is a lot of money. Do we still do All Saints Day, when those that have passed away are remembered each year? If so perhaps the flag could be laid on the pitch pre-match on occasions such as this? That's the sort of thing the organiser of this flag should be looking into - If there's a problem, what are the alternatives Don't see why Saints are the only club not allowed big flags, plenty of other teams do it EVERY game. Think there was a general consensus that the All Saints Day is to equally remember Saints fans that have passed away and shouldn't be used to focus more on one man.
dune Posted 17 October, 2011 Posted 17 October, 2011 How can a big flag be deemed safe in Derby, but unsafe in Southampton? How come Derbys owners make an effort to make it possible, yet it's too much trouble for Cortese?
HurleyBurley Posted 17 October, 2011 Posted 17 October, 2011 Don't see why Saints are the only club not allowed big flags, plenty of other teams do it EVERY game. Think there was a general consensus that the All Saints Day is to equally remember Saints fans that have passed away and shouldn't be used to focus more on one man. What I'm saying is that's one alternative use for the flag - The club should be asked 'If we can't do as we planned with our joint £6K investment, what alternatives are there? Here are some suggestions etc...'
trousers Posted 17 October, 2011 Posted 17 October, 2011 Could it possibly be down to our lovely friends in the Hampshire Constabulary? Perhaps someone should contact them....just in case they don't keep an eye out for questions about their activities and policies on a football forum
sammysaint Posted 17 October, 2011 Posted 17 October, 2011 this is why we should get this flag done at a big game 1min 4 secs in look at ML and NC. There allow it for a big game surely as there be enough stewards and police, i reckon we should do it for the game vs the skates.
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