The "how did brighton get so annoyed with us" thread

[Horley CTFC Saint]

Did anyone else not have the slightest idea that Palace and Brighton didn't like each other, before Brighton fans told us?

 

Me.............and BtW Crawley Town hate both of them - UReds

[Minty]

So, in summary, a few Brighton fans on their message board overreact about us, just like a few Saints fans on our message board overreact about them. Then more people (on both boards) discuss it, so it looks like the thread has more people on it who care than is actually the case, and it becomes a self-perpetuating load of old bo!!ocks.

 

Glad that's sorted then.

[Fan The Flames]

Its clearly more than a few Brighton fans on message boards when the club dedicate the cover of the matchday program to it and change the music to suit. Why are people on the board always trying to close down discussions.

[Minty]

Not trying to close anything down, sorry, just a light-hearted summary as I see it.

 

And to be fair, you are right, it's one thing when fans make comments about it, but when the club themselves make these kind of amendments, that brings a slightly different level to it.

 

Personally, I still couldn't care less, and I doubt *most* Brighton fans do either... in fact, had I been a Brighton fan I probably would've been a bit embarassed at the clubs reaction.

[keithd]

Tony Bloom is incredibly minute. You could put him in your pocket. Good poker player too.

 

That's all I have to offer this thread

 

Oh, yes I do. I quite like them. I once went to the Goldstone and got Martin Chivers autograph. Thats not the reason I went, but it was nice

[The9]

Of course we haven't got any rivals.

 

http://www.cpfc.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14 - Care to register with them and tell them that Brighton aren't their rivals? Apart from your gobby manager and that ar$e Hammond, you lot never were and never will be anything more to us than a side that won an FA Cup 50 years ago and had the greatest English player ever to have kicked a ball.

 

I don't know why you lot are making such a big thing of it. Did you ever watch Bill Hicks? Well, if you looked at the Brighton board then that little "couldn't give a toss" shrug is how most of us regard any rivalry with you.

 

The evidence says not :

 

Here's the original comment :

Here's what he got when Saints tootled down to Withdean :

 

The Official Match Programme ran "Can You Keep Up" on the front page for that match, and the pre-match music was an attempt at humour at best.

Somewhere along the line "not bothered" doesn't come into the mix.

 

On the bright side, you gave us all the chance to feel like this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqn9ESKdASA&feature=related

[The9]

Did anyone else not have the slightest idea that Palace and Brighton didn't like each other, before Brighton fans told us?

 

I have to say I knew, but it always seemed like a bit of a contrivance, it is lucky for them that Crawley have come along.

[Colinjb]

Like all other clubs on the South coast (bar the skates) I like to see them do well. Frankly the need to create rivalry when there is none is a bit pathetic.

[saints-cris]

On the bright side, you gave us all the chance to feel like this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqn9ESKdASA&feature=related

 

 

Followed by

[saintmatt]

Of course we haven't got any rivals.

 

http://www.cpfc.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14 - Care to register with them and tell them that Brighton aren't their rivals? Apart from your gobby manager and that ar$e Hammond, you lot never were and never will be anything more to us than a side that won an FA Cup 50 years ago and had the greatest English player ever to have kicked a ball.

 

I don't know why you lot are making such a big thing of it. Did you ever watch Bill Hicks? Well, if you looked at the Brighton board then that little "couldn't give a toss" shrug is how most of us regard any rivalry with you.

 

Real rivalries don't have to be proved; real rivalries are just known...

[redkeith]

Does it maybe go back to 77/78 at the Goldstone, when one Saints fan jumped over the fance into their end, and everyone ran ?

 

Once they realised it was only one guy, a dozen or so Brighton fans turned round and pummelled him for a while, but then another dozen Saints climbed over the fence, and half the end emptied out onto the pitch.

 

I'd imagine that we might hold a grudge if some other team had taken the milton with one van load of supporters.

[rooney]

I can remember all of us on SF signing a petition at the request of the Brighton Fans, when they were to appeal about the lack of PP on their new ground a few years ago. Its not the club or the fans that I dislike but their Skeletal faced Manager whose eyes are too close together and who speaks from the back of his throat.I did not notice this until he was ungracious to our Team, after his defeat at the Withdean last season.

[Simster]

On an entirely unrelated (and far less tedious) note:

 

Two years ago today

 

Huddersfield 7 - 1 Brighton

 

1 Colchester United 9

2 Charlton Athletic 9

3 Leeds United 9

4 Huddersfield Town 7

5 Brentford 7

6 Bristol Rovers 6

7 Millwall 5

8 Milton Keynes Dons 5

9 Yeovil Town 4

10 Walsall 4

11 Carlisle United 4

12 Oldham Athletic 4

13 Swindon Town 4

14 Gillingham 3

15 Southend United 3

16 Leyton Orient 3

16 Tranmere Rovers 3

18 Exeter City 2

19 Wycombe Wanderers 1

20 Hartlepool United 1

20 Stockport County 1

22 Norwich City 1

23 Brighton and Hove A 1

24 Southampton -9

Southampton deducted 10 points

 

 

I wonder how the bottom 3 teams are getting on these days?

[September Saint]

I like Brighton.

 

Always have.

 

Okay, entertaining clash between Poyet and Adkins. But hardly something to get upset about.

 

They are also a shining example of "back from the brink".

 

Saved themselves - with deserved widespread football support - from the clutches of mercenary owners.

 

Kept themselves alive while ground-hopping (no mean feat).

 

Got the fanbase to lobby effectively for a decent new stadium (some candidates in local elections for the Seagulls Party getting majorly impressive %s).

 

Sure, I wish we'd pipped them by two points last season rather than vice versa, but they are otherwise a team I want to do well.

 

Also, the fact that they are South Coast is good news. The entirity of England south of Trafalagar Square has performed pathetically at football for the last 50-100 years. I'd like to see that changed.

 

A lot of people are keen that all South Coast clubs do well

Ignore the few "Wind-up" posters

If someone hates me then they have the problem, not me.

[The9]

On an entirely unrelated (and far less tedious) note:

 

Two years ago today

 

Huddersfield 7 - 1 Brighton

 

1 Colchester United 9

2 Charlton Athletic 9

3 Leeds United 9

4 Huddersfield Town 7

5 Brentford 7

6 Bristol Rovers 6

7 Millwall 5

8 Milton Keynes Dons 5

9 Yeovil Town 4

10 Walsall 4

11 Carlisle United 4

12 Oldham Athletic 4

13 Swindon Town 4

14 Gillingham 3

15 Southend United 3

16 Leyton Orient 3

16 Tranmere Rovers 3

18 Exeter City 2

19 Wycombe Wanderers 1

20 Hartlepool United 1

20 Stockport County 1

22 Norwich City 1

23 Brighton and Hove A 1

24 Southampton -9

Southampton deducted 10 points

 

 

I wonder how the bottom 3 teams are getting on these days?

 

The scary thing about that table is that only the teams in the bottom 3 and 3rd and 7th have gone up in the meantime. Which makes us in 2011 the equivalent of Colchester in 2009... (though the analogy might work better if we could see the Championship from then instead).

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Does it maybe go back to 77/78 at the Goldstone, when one Saints fan jumped over the fance into their end, and everyone ran ?

 

Once they realised it was only one guy, a dozen or so Brighton fans turned round and pummelled him for a while, but then another dozen Saints climbed over the fence, and half the end emptied out onto the pitch.

 

I'd imagine that we might hold a grudge if some other team had taken the milton with one van load of supporters.

 

Lips . . . say no more. He's on FB.

[Frank's cousin]

What's silly though is that our NIge was just reponding 'tongue in cheek' to an interview question when asked if we could keep up with/challenge brighton - some of their fans fail to grasp that this was indeed tongue in cheek and in response to this specific interview comment... the issue that they think our 'physio' is using Pardews 'team' is limited to a few mongs who fail to see that Morinho was an interpreter!

 

 

I have never had an issue with Brighton - if anything they should and could be a similar profile of club to Saints - they are on the up so what is their problem? They have to acknowledge that the media will always focus on those clubs that have most success at any given time regardless of history. That's life.

 

 

Of course rivalries are importatnt to the identifty of a club, but they are closer to Gillingham! - I guess their issue is that they are the only club in Sussex or Kent that have ever flirted with league and cup success outside the might Margate taking on Spurs in the cup ;-)

 

Finally, they do seem to believe everything that comes out of Poyets gub... all tat guff aout us hoofing... LOL... given how they parked the bus last season at SMS it is even more laughable.

[Simster]

The scary thing about that table is that only the teams in the bottom 3 and 3rd and 7th have gone up in the meantime. Which makes us in 2011 the equivalent of Colchester in 2009... (though the analogy might work better if we could see the Championship from then instead).

Norwich, Southampton & Albion are all light years away from that now obviously.

 

But so are 4th from bottom Stockport, sadly for them! I still can't believe Huddersfield battered us 7-1 just two years ago.

[jjsaint]

A lot of posts on 'that' Brighton thread just showed that some of their supporters seem to understand very little about football.

[DeanHammond]

So, in summary, a few Brighton fans on their message board overreact about us, just like a few Saints fans on our message board overreact about them. Then more people (on both boards) discuss it, so it looks like the thread has more people on it who care than is actually the case, and it becomes a self-perpetuating load of old bo!!ocks.

 

Glad that's sorted then.

Yes, that's about is the size of it. No Albion fan I know has any problems with Saints, just the spat with Adkins last season which was admittedly blown out of all proportion. Anyway, nice to see the South Coast clubs rising once more..

[Prince Jazzbo]

Lips . . . say no more. He's on FB.

 

I heard he was dead!

[LGTL]

A lot of people are keen that all South Coast clubs do well

Ignore the few "Wind-up" posters

If someone hates me then they have the problem, not me.

 

Speak for yourself.

[Rasiak-9-]

Of course we haven't got any rivals.

 

http://www.cpfc.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14 - Care to register with them and tell them that Brighton aren't their rivals? Apart from your gobby manager and that ar$e Hammond, you lot never were and never will be anything more to us than a side that won an FA Cup 50 years ago and had the greatest English player ever to have kicked a ball.

 

I don't know why you lot are making such a big thing of it. Did you ever watch Bill Hicks? Well, if you looked at the Brighton board then that little "couldn't give a toss" shrug is how most of us regard any rivalry with you.

 

No. You don't. That's quite correct.

 

I live in South London and know plenty of Palace fans, all of whom care INFINITELY more about their rivalry with Charlton and occasionally Millwall than they do with Brighton.

 

The attempted "rivalry" that you've tried with us was summed up perfectly after the 1-2 when Gus Poyet said in his post-match interview: "When people look back on the league in 10 years, who won the league - it was Brighton, playing football, not just kicking the ball into the box."

 

I'm sorry? Look back on League 1 in ten years?

 

That for me sums up the different levels the clubs are on. I assure you that in 10 years absolutely no-one at Saints will care and a fair few will have simply forgotten about that whole season whilst we focus on progressing through the Premiership, quite possibly into Europe and further expanding our club. The fact that Brighton pipped us to the title will be relegated to the trivia pages of old football annuals and recordbooks for Southampton - for Brighton however, I think he already anticipates that you'll be clinging

to that mediocre triumph for an embarrassingly long length of time.

 

You aren't our rivals. We don't care about you and its very cringeworthy that you continue to try and make it so.

[Thedelldays]

Tell you what, dagenham and redbridge must be amazing if they are just like us...

[ltSaint91]

I think they have a few Southampton trolls on their board who get them all frothing at the mouth with comments like "can you keep up", "Southampton are too big for this league" etc etc. That seems to reinforce their hatred and their view that we're somehow "arrogant". To be fair I've just looked at a thread on their board about our result vs Ipswich and they've been mostly complimentary. Some are still carrying on with all that 'Scumhampton' lark, and most, bizarrely, still despise Adkins (or 'Atkins'/'Aitkins', as they prefer to call him) for reasons nobody fully understands, but their hatred seems to have calmed slightly. Maybe they've realised what utter dickheads they made out of themselves when we played them last season. Maybe their attention has switched to their weird, 50 mile 'rivalry' with Palace. Who knows. Hopefully all this one-way 'rivalry' silliness will soon become a thing of a past.

[ltSaint91]

Lets face it all rivalries are fabricated, even ours and ours started in the 70's. So not so different to Brighton's with Palace, I've also been to a few Brighton/Palace games and they are not to different to Saints/Pompey affairs. The constant re-enforcement on here that we have a 'proper' rivalry is a bit sad.

 

Our rivalry with Pompey is a 'proper' rivalry because a) We're local rivals b) Our two cities have been rivals for centuries c) it comes near the top of most "biggest English rivalries" lists, and, most importantly, d) it has it's own Wikipedia page

[Professor]

................. Their rivalry with Palace only manifested in the late 70s when both were scrapping it out to get out of the old third division. Geographically Palace have loads more closer rivals than Brighton but it's probably the lonely Sussex mob that kept it going....................

This is spot on. It was fuelled by a couple of things - that a lot of South Londoners live in the Brighton area so a fair number of Palace fans could wind up the locals, plus Palace had a high profile in the media due to Malcolm Alison being the manager - so quite a bit of envy. It actually gave rise to Brighton's artificial 'nickname' of seagulls. In the 70s, Palace were being called Alison's Eagles, so Brighton tried to copy and said if Palace were Eagles, they were seagulls. So not even a true club nickname, not created by fans long ago like, like 'Baggies' or ' the Addicks' but an artificial name copied from their so-called rivals. By the way - 'Baggies' most people will know came from the shorts they wore. Fewer people will know that 'Addicks' comes from a corruption of the word 'Haddocks' named after a fish and chip shop in the Charlton area of SE London. Whereas Brighton's self-styled name is from another club!

 

As someone now living in Sussex, I find Brighton quite an unpleasant town and go there as little as possible. As for Brighton people, I'm not sure many really know Southampton as its not in their local travel zone. I don't hear any local rivalry, just an awareness that Saints have long been a more successful club and because Brighton gets some of its TV from Southampton a bit of reaction against having Saints' news on their screens. Currently, it's Adkins' interview last autumn that upset a lot of them but in the end - does it matter. They are irrelevant to us except as just one of 23 teams in this league that we want to beat.

[david in sweden]

Look at their forum briefly they do still have a real hatred for us. I'm still struggling to find out why. Any thoughts?

 

you mean they hate us --more than Pompey do ...?

 

I think Adkins " high profile / confidence " interviews got up Gus Poyet's nose a little, especially when we were still mid-table but began talking about winning the title. Even some of our own fan base thought it was a bit over the top.

 

Poyet may be good at what he does at Brighton, but he's no match for Nigel's " agressive, all-action " interview style, and I think that transmitted itself to the max. 7000 Brighton fans who squeezed themselves into the Withdean.

Edited 19 August, 2011 by david in sweden

[Fan The Flames]

Maybe their attention has switched to their weird, 50 mile 'rivalry' with Palace.

 

Why do people find it difficult to fathom Brighton’s rivalry with Palace, guess who is the closest team is to Brighton yes its Palace, its closer than Portsmouth and Gillingham, the train connections between Brighton and Norwood are quick and when it was fashionable to develop a rival the two teams played each other a lot. People accept Swansea and Cardiff, Man U and Leeds (5 miles less than BHAFC & CPFC)

 

Our 'proper' rivalry is just as contrived, what has Portsmouth done to us apart from being the team down the road. The scummer story was made up in hindsight and we voted on the skate name.

[ltSaint91]

Why do people find it difficult to fathom Brighton’s rivalry with Palace, guess who is the closest team is to Brighton yes its Palace, its closer than Portsmouth and Gillingham, the train connections between Brighton and Norwood are quick and when it was fashionable to develop a rival the two teams played each other a lot. People accept Swansea and Cardiff, Man U and Leeds (5 miles less than BHAFC & CPFC)

 

Our 'proper' rivalry is just as contrived, what has Portsmouth done to us apart from being the team down the road. The scummer story was made up in hindsight and we voted on the skate name.

 

There's centuries of history behind Southampton and Portsmouth's rivalry. Swansea and Cardiff are the two biggest cities in Wales and are the only South Wales football teams in the Football League. Man U vs Leeds is Lancashire vs Yorkshire. Brighton and Palace are just two unrelated teams 50 miles apart. Their rivalry is weird because there's no history behind it. It just randomly sprung up in the 80's.

 

What's more, a rivalry is not a 'proper' rivalry if it's doubted. Some Palace fans care more about Milwall/Charlton, some Brighton fans care more about Pompey, and most people outside of Sussex and Croydon think it's a bit silly. Such doubts do not arise when it comes to Saints/Pompey, Cardiff/Swansea etc.

[Billy Seagull]

The reason Brighton have a beef with us is not jealously, rivalry making or geographic it's just outrage, we could have been anyone but the statement from NA got them. I have a few Brighton mates and I've been to plenty of games over the last 25 years and they are always outraged by someone, be it our Nige, Barry Hearn, Reading FC; they get upset by someone somewhere. Its pathetic that a very minor statement from NA that for most sets of fans would have registered for a week or two has caused this amount of outrage.

 

 

Brighton fans had a lot to be outraged about with their directors fleecing the club of its ground and maybe they have used outrage as a energy to fuel their comeback, however it seems now its become a habit

 

Usually just a lurker over here but wanted to chip in on this one. I think other than a handful of internet keyboard warriors and a few people who still hold a grudge from '78 most Albion fans don't have a problem with Saints.

 

Fan The Flames has made a very good point, our fans over the last 10 years or so have a history of going the extra mile to have a pop at other teams, I think it's easy to confuse that with having an actual proper dislike. Chesterfield still hate us because everyone turned up with brown envelopes at a match after their bung scandal, incidentally we were promotion rivals at the time. There was a fake rivalry with Reading for a couple of seasons when Pardew nicked alot of our players, and incidentally we were promotion rivals at the time (can you see where I'm going with this). I remember in about 99/00 going to Ninian park and someone had actually bothered to make a banner that just said "baaaaaaaaaaa" and had a picture of footballers ****ging sheep. Give it a couple of of seasons and there will probably be someone else, it's nothing personal, it does seem to be a bit of a habit.

 

As for the palace rivalry, say what you like about it but it is real. It might not have the undercurrent of non football stuff like you and pompey (shipbuilders/navy) west ham millwall (dockers) utd liverpool (dockers again) etc etc but it's still a big match for both sides. I don't expect any of you to give a ****, but this is a decent article if you can be bothered to read it http://www.palace-echo.net/bha1.shtml

 

As for football, it's good to see both promoted sides have a good start. After the game at Withdean last season I always thought you lot would do well given the size of your team and the physical nature of this division, I think you're nailed on for play-offs, hopefully we'll be there or thereabouts but it's early days yet.

[Frank's cousin]

After the game at Withdean last season I always thought you lot would do well given the size of your team and the physical nature of this division, I think you're nailed on for play-offs, hopefully we'll be there or thereabouts but it's early days yet.

 

Your post is good, except for this strange comment - Maybe its a different planet thing, but dont believe all the stuff Poyet says..... even in L1 we played a pasing game when possible and it seems a bit strange that when you visited SMS your 'fine footballing side' parked the bus in front of goal...

 

We have always said Our side would be reasonably well suited to teh Championship because more teams DONT park teh bus and try and play football which in turn allows our creative midfield to actually play - did you not see the way the goals were created against Ipswich? NO for some strange reason Poyet's cvomment seems to have ingrained itself into some of your fans minds - we are about as far from a 'physical' side as Brazil 70 (not that we cant mix it up if we need to), but Poyet just got that plain wrong in his frustration at getting beat.

 

Also, Get a grip about Adkins comment - he said it in response to a question about whether we could keep up with or challenge Brighton - it was tongue in cheek but what was he meant to say, something demotivating like REdcrap along the lines of 'no impossible, too far behind?' NO he said something aimed at Saints fans and players - keep pushing, belief and positivity like any good manager would - fact is Poyet took the hump and has been slagging us ever since...

 

Brighton are one of those clubs whose situation meant 99% of all football fans felt for them... especially the way your club was reduced to bare bones by greedy owners - and you have risen at last from that nightmare, so I just struggle to see what some of those numpties really have an issue with... just strange that's all..

[Singeon Sears]

The Adkins Poyet thing is just panto, building an edge to the games that to be honest I reckon most fans enjoyed, why not build up football matches

 

As for whether Brighton fans, beyond a minority, really have an issue with us i don't know. But we shouldn't be so naive to think the south coast sides wouldn't be up for us, we've been in the top flight for decades so it's obvious, to me at least, that having bided their time the likes of Bournemouth, Brighton are gonna be up for the games - and why not

[Dr Who?]

I do not have a problem with Brighton at all, I quite like the City and I like the long suffering football club. I was at the last game at the Goldstone Ground, and they got right up the swanny. I am not sure how they are still going as a football club, let alone being right up there with us in the NPC.

 

I do not like their manager, I think he is completely up himself and puts pressure on ref's just because he is Gus Poyet!

 

I do not really like the way they are just behind us, but I have to take my hat off to them, as they seem to have the winning formular as well. I would love to see them come up with us!!

[Billy Seagull]

Your post is good' date=' except for this strange comment - Maybe its a different planet thing, but dont believe all the stuff Poyet says..... even in L1 we played a pasing game when possible and it seems a bit strange that when you visited SMS your 'fine footballing side' parked the bus in front of goal...[/quote']

 

I don't think I explained that very well. I'm not trying to say you team is physical and nothing else, but your side has the ability to play football and the size. From where I was sat in both games last season guly, jaidi, forte and lambert all looked massive compared to our team, that not to say they can't play though.

It's a well known fact that as you go up the leagues the players get bigger. In the Prem most of the players are built like brick ****houses these days because they're proper athletes (there's been a few exceptions of course). In the lower leagues you can get away with teams being small and skillfull, but in this league you'll just get bullied by teams that are big and skillfull, you need a mixture of both at this level. In our first two games against rovers and pompey they both tried to kick us out the game more than any other teams did last season, I'm assuming that's a sign of things to come.

[Fan The Flames]

There's centuries of history behind Southampton and Portsmouth's rivalry. Swansea and Cardiff are the two biggest cities in Wales and are the only South Wales football teams in the Football League. Man U vs Leeds is Lancashire vs Yorkshire. Brighton and Palace are just two unrelated teams 50 miles apart. Their rivalry is weird because there's no history behind it. It just randomly sprung up in the 80's.

 

What's more, a rivalry is not a 'proper' rivalry if it's doubted. Some Palace fans care more about Milwall/Charlton, some Brighton fans care more about Pompey, and most people outside of Sussex and Croydon think it's a bit silly. Such doubts do not arise when it comes to Saints/Pompey, Cardiff/Swansea etc.

 

You are not very bright if you think Palace and Brighton are unrelated, Palace are Brighton's closest team they have played each other over twice as many times as we have played Pompey, they have challenged each other for promotion fueling the rivalry, when has that ever happened with us and Pompey. Geographically and culturally Brighton has far more links with London than the South Coast, its 45 mins on the train to Norwood Junction half the time than it is to Portsmouth.

 

Wheres the evidence of centuries of hatred between Southampton and Portsmouth, I supposed there is civic pride between the two two, but this I bet has never really manifested itself greatly with the inhabitants of each city. Up until the 60/70s people supported both teams, they paraded the FA cup in Southampton, only 4000 people watched a Saints game because the rest were in Wembley watching Pompey. So our rivalry is equally as 'weird' as its sprung out of no where. Or more likely it grew with the rise of football hooliganism when it was de rigueur to have a rival at exactly the same time as the Palace Brighton thing occurred.

 

Yes a lot of Palace hate Charlton more, but a lot of Spurs hate Chelsea more than Arsenal and there was a time when a lot of Saints fans turned their attention to Spurs. I probably hate Everton and Stoke more than Portsmouth.

 

We are so desperate to tell the world we have a proper rivalry that 50% of our songs are anti-pompey and people are always going on about it on here, so maybe ours is just as plastic afterall.

[ibizasaint]

I dont get the physio thing about Adkins - Bob Paisley was Liverpool's physio before he took over there and became one of Englands most successful ever managers.

[saintmatt]

Why do people find it difficult to fathom Brighton’s rivalry with Palace, guess who is the closest team is to Brighton yes its Palace, its closer than Portsmouth and Gillingham, the train connections between Brighton and Norwood are quick and when it was fashionable to develop a rival the two teams played each other a lot. People accept Swansea and Cardiff, Man U and Leeds (5 miles less than BHAFC & CPFC)

 

Our 'proper' rivalry is just as contrived, what has Portsmouth done to us apart from being the team down the road. The scummer story was made up in hindsight and we voted on the skate name.

 

But is Brighton the closest team to Palace? You need mutual dislike for a true rivalry to manifest.

[toe_punt]

Your deluded what?

 

90% of the clods here don't know the difference between "there", "their" and "they're"

let alone "your" and "you're"

[S4INT]

He he he

[ericofarabia]

90% of the clods here don't know the difference between "there", "their" and "they're"

let alone "your" and "you're"

 

Would that be a Clod or a Clot?

[svetigpung]

unfortunately i had to stand with the home crowd when we visited them last season.

They truely disliked adkins, cause of his "can they keep up remarks". They had printed up T-shirts , had songs about it , and gave him a good welcome to the dug-out.

Still all part of the fun. A bit of banter to get everyone going never hurt anyone.

Made the 2-1 victory even sweeter!

[View From The Top]

Dear Brighton, please try to keep up. Love. Us.

[ltSaint91]

You are not very bright if you think Palace and Brighton are unrelated, Palace are Brighton's closest team they have played each other over twice as many times as we have played Pompey, they have challenged each other for promotion fueling the rivalry, when has that ever happened with us and Pompey. Geographically and culturally Brighton has far more links with London than the South Coast, its 45 mins on the train to Norwood Junction half the time than it is to Portsmouth.

 

Wheres the evidence of centuries of hatred between Southampton and Portsmouth, I supposed there is civic pride between the two two, but this I bet has never really manifested itself greatly with the inhabitants of each city. Up until the 60/70s people supported both teams, they paraded the FA cup in Southampton, only 4000 people watched a Saints game because the rest were in Wembley watching Pompey. So our rivalry is equally as 'weird' as its sprung out of no where. Or more likely it grew with the rise of football hooliganism when it was de rigueur to have a rival at exactly the same time as the Palace Brighton thing occurred.

 

Yes a lot of Palace hate Charlton more, but a lot of Spurs hate Chelsea more than Arsenal and there was a time when a lot of Saints fans turned their attention to Spurs. I probably hate Everton and Stoke more than Portsmouth.

 

We are so desperate to tell the world we have a proper rivalry that 50% of our songs are anti-pompey and people are always going on about it on here, so maybe ours is just as plastic afterall.

 

Look, outside of football there is no history of animosity between Brighton and Croydon. Yes Brighton took in a lot of London migrants. So did Portsmouth and Peterborough. Doesn't mean they're suddenly gonna start hating West Ham or whoever. We have a lot of Polish immigrants. Doesn't mean we're going to randomly start a rivalry with Legia Warsaw. And the fact that you think rivalries are determined by on pitch relations proves you know nothing of the subject. All the best rivalries are enhanced by off-field politics. Real Madrid vs Barcelona = royalists vs separatists. Celtic vs Rangers = Catholic Irish nationalists vs Protestant loyalists. I'm not comparing Saints vs Pompey to them, of course. Just making the point.

 

And you're telling me Spurs briefly replaced Pompey as a rival? Don't be so stupid. A few Saints fans had a dislike of them, they ignored, end of. It lasted barely a few years. And you hate Everton and Stoke more than Pompey? Why? Are you even a Saints fan? Why are you so desperate to put our rivalry down and big Brighton's up?

 

If you want evidence for history between Southampton and Portsmouth, I'm sure there's plenty of articles online. To suggest that two historic, major ports only 17 miles apart have no history of rivalry between each other is extremely stupid.

[Saint Malc]

I had to laugh out load the other day. I work in Worthing atm and it has recently got me bemused why Brighton hate us so much, and not their closest enemy the skates, so I asked the many Brighton fans I work with. Most told me it's, generally, because we're the biggest club on the south coast. Ha! :-)

[John Cool]

I've always liked Brighton and was genuinely surprised when a Seagull mate at work told me how angry they were with Adkins' (playful) remarks.

 

Maybe Desmond Morris has the answer http://ebookee.org/Desmond-Morris-1981-The-Soccer-Tribe_866744.html ?

[Crab Lungs]

Second only to the the most deluded fans in the world from Pompey, with Bompey a close third.

[Fan The Flames]

Look, outside of football there is no history of animosity between Brighton and Croydon. Yes Brighton took in a lot of London migrants. So did Portsmouth and Peterborough. Doesn't mean they're suddenly gonna start hating West Ham or whoever. We have a lot of Polish immigrants. Doesn't mean we're going to randomly start a rivalry with Legia Warsaw. And the fact that you think rivalries are determined by on pitch relations proves you know nothing of the subject. All the best rivalries are enhanced by off-field politics. Real Madrid vs Barcelona = royalists vs separatists. Celtic vs Rangers = Catholic Irish nationalists vs Protestant loyalists. I'm not comparing Saints vs Pompey to them, of course. Just making the point.

 

And you're telling me Spurs briefly replaced Pompey as a rival? Don't be so stupid. A few Saints fans had a dislike of them, they ignored, end of. It lasted barely a few years. And you hate Everton and Stoke more than Pompey? Why? Are you even a Saints fan? Why are you so desperate to put our rivalry down and big Brighton's up?

 

If you want evidence for history between Southampton and Portsmouth, I'm sure there's plenty of articles online. To suggest that two historic, major ports only 17 miles apart have no history of rivalry between each other is extremely stupid.

 

Whats all that migrant stuff all about, anyway you don't really seem to listen to what I have to say, I'm not putting the Brighton rivalry above ours, I'm saying if you consider Brighton's to be a contrivance then you have to consider ours to be so as well. Both were developed in the 70's when it was the fashionable thing to do.

 

You can myth make as much as you like but you can't get away from the fact we didn't have a problem with Portsmouth for decades despite the non-evidenced years of port rivalry you speak of.

 

I would suggest that outside of Celtic Rangers that 99% of football rivalries in Britain are geographic based or sporting peers and nothing to do with pre-football issues.

 

And I love the fact you even doubt that I'm a Saints fan because how could I possibly dislike Everton more than our big bad rivals Pompey. Everton put us out of the FA cup three times in the 80's and always seemed to do us in the league in a decade when I was at secondary school and I've hated them ever since. As for Stoke never liked their fans, the area, they wear out kit and the fact that I see their place in the top flight as ours.

Edited 20 August, 2011 by Fan The Flames

[ltSaint91]

Whats all that migrant stuff all about, anyway you don't really seem to listen to what I have to say, I'm not putting the Brighton rivalry above ours, I'm saying if you consider Brighton's to be a contrivance then you have to consider ours to be so as well. Both were developed in the 70's when it was the fashionable thing to do.

 

You can myth make as much as you like but you can't get away from the fact we didn't have a problem with Portsmouth for decades despite the non-evidenced years of port rivalry you speak of.

 

I would suggest that outside of Celtic Rangers that 99% of football rivalries in Britain are geographic based or sporting peers and nothing to do with pre-football issues.

 

And I love the fact you even doubt that I'm a Saints fan because how could I possibly dislike Everton more than our big bad rivals Pompey. Everton put us out of the FA cup three times in the 80's and always seemed to do us in the league in a decade when I was at secondary school and I've hated them ever since. As for Stoke never liked their fans, the area, they wear out kit and the fact that I see their place in the top flight as ours.

 

You said Brighton had 'cultural links' with London. I assumed you were referring to all the South Londoners who migrated to Brighton a few decades ago. Then I forgot that I was the one who made the link between the two and thought you said it yourself. Blonde moment. Never mind. That must have confused the hell out of you, haha.

 

I'm not "myth-making", I just thought it would be accepted that two nearby cities involved in the same industry would have history together. I've read a few things about it, and I'm sure you could quite easily find evidence if you Google 'Southampton Portsmouth history' or something.

 

Yes, most rivalries are geographic, but I didn't take that into account as Brighton is in East Sussex and Crystal Palace is in South London. They're 50 miles apart. They're not the closest teams to each other as there's plenty of other teams in South London and plenty of others in Sussex. And I can't think of any well known rivalries in Britain based purely on football, apart from supposedly Brighton-Palace. That's why it's strange.

 

It is unusual for a Saints fan to hate other clubs more than Pompey tbf. And the reasons for your hated clubs aren't exactly logical! Stoke are 20 years older than us so technically we wear their kit. It is annoying that they keep singing OWTS though. Everton... I guess that kind of makes sense. I don't see a reason to hate a club for what they did 30 years ago, but each to their own. I can't say I hate any club apart from Pompey.

 

Anyway, like I said, the Palace-Brighton rivalry is doubted by pretty much everyone who's not involved in it. That's enough to invalidate it in my eyes. If it has to be proven then it's not proper.