Pilchards Posted 27 August, 2011 Share Posted 27 August, 2011 That is quite clearly not the "job spec" of the striker the club want. We only know for certain of one bid the club has made for a striker this summer, and that was when Nigel Adkins confirmed the club had a £3.25m bid accepted by Doncaster for Billy Sharp. All the other strikers are unconfirmed rumours. Saints wouldn't have signed Sharp for £3.25m only for him to be on the bench in the Championship. Therefore the club was and probably still are looking to sign a strike partner for Lambert, not a back-up. I agree, we need someone who will break fast for us, Lambert is great for holding & passing but he is not that nippy striker like Walcott the other night, I know we have DeRidder but he's not a striker. Still reckon Jay Rod will come but it will be touch & go to beat the deadline. Predict a 4-75m deal- I'm not in the know!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Charlie Austin looks a better prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 28 August, 2011 Share Posted 28 August, 2011 Charlie Austin looks a better prospect. Looked very sharp yesterday. Not sure I would want him here though. Terrible attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 I don't see Barnard or Connelly being prepared to accept the tag of 'deputies' for an incoming regular striker. I look on Lambert as a regular first choice, and these two vying for the second striker position. To bench both of these to accommodate an incoming new boy would de-stabilise the team. I refer you to Rickie's recent comment about knowing each other's game inside out. I do take your point that based on the strikers we have offered for and are linked with then the job spec is clearly not a Lambert deputy, but I'd rather not bring in another striker who is deemed senior to Barney and Conners. Spend some money on a CB then roll up the bank notes and put them away until Jan. We can reassess then where we need to strenghen. By then, we may need another striker - even of J-Rod or Maynard stature - but right now IMHO I don't think we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyd Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 It is called squad rotation. The main strikers are going to be Lambert, Connelly (who will get injured) and the new guy. If better players than what we have are avaliable we have a duty to sign them. I don't think Barnard is special at this level my self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmysaint7 Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 It is called squad rotation. The main strikers are going to be Lambert, Connelly (who will get injured) and the new guy. If better players than what we have are avaliable we have a duty to sign them. I don't think Barnard is special at this level my self. Please explain what your basing your opinion of Barnard not being good at this level on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 It is called squad rotation. The main strikers are going to be Lambert, Connelly (who will get injured) and the new guy. If better players than what we have are avaliable we have a duty to sign them. I don't think Barnard is special at this level my self. Dunno. He scored against Blackpool last year when they were Premier League, although to be fair, they were only having a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Anyway, as I said on the other thread, stump up the cash and sign him, ffs. We have done VERY well this window. Tons in for AOC, and Jack Cork at an amazingly low price. Won't kill us to spend the extra dough on this one occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Anyway, as I said on the other thread, stump up the cash and sign him, ffs. We have done VERY well this window. Tons in for AOC, and Jack Cork at an amazingly low price. Won't kill us to spend the extra dough on this one occasion. It could well do if in the future teams turn around and ask for an outrageous price, knowing we're capable of spending too much when we get desperate. He's not worth £5 million plus. Not by a long way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 not sure about rodriguez, from what i read today on burnley forum hes not a out n out goalscorer and drops deep, that doesnt sound like the type of player we want. has anyone here actually seen him play or are we all getting carried away with the hype? personally id be over the moon with maynard or macheda, beckford next best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 It could well do if in the future teams turn around and ask for an outrageous price, knowing we're capable of spending too much when we get desperate. He's not worth £5 million plus. Not by a long way. I'd point out that we just got £12 million for AOC, and some would say the same of that deal. The characteristics of each deal are different and clubs know this. We're not desperate - we have goal scorers all over the pitch. We do apparently want their star player though, and we should respect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 I'd point out that we just got £12 million for AOC, and some would say the same of that deal. The characteristics of each deal are different and clubs know this. We're not desperate - we have goal scorers all over the pitch. We do apparently want their star player though, and we should respect that. Just because AOC went for silly money doesnt mean we should go out and repeat the same mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Just because AOC went for silly money doesnt mean we should go out and repeat the same mistake. Is it really silly money? We're talking what, £1.5M more than what we're currently prepared to pay? It's nothing in football terms, especially with the cash we've just raked in for AOC. The other question is whether it'll be a mistake. If Jay Rod is a success here, he'll rocket in value. He's young and importantly, English. His nationality alone will make him attractive to other clubs, and with the players he has around him, he should definitely get better service. Ultimately, it comes down to confidence in the player. If the transfer committee isn't confident in his ability, then £4.5M is too much. If they are, they should stop quibbling, take the characteristics of the deal into question, and get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 I think we should pay 5 mill for him and give them puncheon. Would be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 29 August, 2011 Share Posted 29 August, 2011 Just because AOC went for silly money doesnt mean we should go out and repeat the same mistake. Some on here, would have us repeat the mistakes of yesteryear, do a Poopey/West Ham/Leicester, that is spend beyond our means. These Transfers involve wages, agents fees etc, plus, the amount put into the club by ML, may, just may, need to be repaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 30 August, 2011 Share Posted 30 August, 2011 Just read a comment on a Burnley forum from a guy who claims to know the Rodriguez family. Apparently Burnley accepted a bid from us for Fox and Jay Rod. However when JR was told about the bid being accepted he immediately turned round and said "I'm not going, and they wouldn't be able to afford my personal terms anyway" (or words to that effect). Hence why we only got Fox. Maybe bull****, especially as earlier on in the thread another poster claims that the medical had already been completed! Thought I'd pass it on anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 30 August, 2011 Share Posted 30 August, 2011 Probably right CWD. He's a local lad so doesn't want to move - he would probably want big wages just to put us off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefuriousb Posted 30 August, 2011 Share Posted 30 August, 2011 Just read a comment on a Burnley forum from a guy who claims to know the Rodriguez family. Apparently Burnley accepted a bid from us for Fox and Jay Rod. However when JR was told about the bid being accepted he immediately turned round and said "I'm not going, and they wouldn't be able to afford my personal terms anyway" (or words to that effect). Hence why we only got Fox. Maybe bull****, especially as earlier on in the thread another poster claims that the medical had already been completed! Thought I'd pass it on anyway. One assumes therefore he believes Burnley can, by way of a new contract?!?!? In other words, the guy on their forum is making it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 30 August, 2011 Share Posted 30 August, 2011 I think we should pay 5 mill for him and give them puncheon. If we are including Puncheon, we would have to up our offer to £5.5m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 30 August, 2011 Share Posted 30 August, 2011 One assumes therefore he believes Burnley can, by way of a new contract?!?!? In other words, the guy on their forum is making it up. No, I don't think that was what he meant. He was suggesting he wouldn't agree personal terms on purpose so that he could stay at Burnley, not because he's a greedy prima donna or summat. (see Toadhall Saint's post). Sorry, I didn't make that very clear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stattmeister Posted 30 August, 2011 Share Posted 30 August, 2011 One assumes therefore he believes Burnley can, by way of a new contract?!?!? In other words, the guy on their forum is making it up. I agree, although I guess what he is sayig (and it is commendable), is that it'll have to be one heck of a good deal for him to leave his hometown club. I wonder if his contract there was agreed a couple of years ago, and as such he has a Premier League legacy salary? Over to you MLG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 August, 2011 Share Posted 30 August, 2011 If he stays because he loves Burnley then fair play to him. Loyalty is a rare commodity in todays football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 30 August, 2011 Share Posted 30 August, 2011 If he stays because he loves Burnley then fair play to him. Loyalty is a rare commodity in todays football. Wasn't his Dad a bit of a face back in the day for Burnley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefuriousb Posted 30 August, 2011 Share Posted 30 August, 2011 No, I don't think that was what he meant. He was suggesting he wouldn't agree personal terms on purpose so that he could stay at Burnley, not because he's a greedy prima donna or summat. (see Toadhall Saint's post). Sorry, I didn't make that very clear! Ok ...though he would not have to make up fantasy demands. He just has to tell Burnley that he does not wish to discuss a proposed move as he wants to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Deal could be back on http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12876_7140393,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asaint4ever Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Not coming then. Disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Disappointing but hopefully we'll have made the bid early enough in the day to be focussing on a new target by now. Didn't someone say we'd bid for Ebanks-Blake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Apparently the lad made it clear that he wasn't leaving. The fee between the clubs was fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Shame he isn't coming, fair play to the lad for being loyal though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 I'm always amazed that doesn't happen more. Just because one team says they'll pay your team a satisfactory amount of money, why does that mean you will want to uproot your whole life, family, friends, training regime, workmates? Doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Has he even scored in the league this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 I'm always amazed that doesn't happen more. Just because one team says they'll pay your team a satisfactory amount of money, why does that mean you will want to uproot your whole life, family, friends, training regime, workmates? Doesn't make sense. normally because the player has been sounded out (tapped up) before hand to see if he is interested and how much he will want paying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 normally because the player has been sounded out (tapped up) before hand to see if he is interested and how much he will want paying. Yep. It is absolutely common place (as well as common sense). Anyone who thinks otherwise is naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Surely Cork or Fox could've spoken to him on the QT and said do you fancy moving before we wasted time bidding... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Just read a comment on a Burnley forum from a guy who claims to know the Rodriguez family. Apparently Burnley accepted a bid from us for Fox and Jay Rod. However when JR was told about the bid being accepted he immediately turned round and said "I'm not going, and they wouldn't be able to afford my personal terms anyway" (or words to that effect). Hence why we only got Fox. Maybe bull****, especially as earlier on in the thread another poster claims that the medical had already been completed! Thought I'd pass it on anyway. This rings true to me. If we had wanted both we would have done the deal at the same time. Also it was widely reported (well rumoured) that we were bidding for two players from the same club. This deal is dead for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 WHy the f*ck are we arsing about trying to sign players that dont want to join us anyway then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 WHy the f*ck are we arsing about trying to sign players that dont want to join us anyway then? That was my immediate reaction as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 That was my immediate reaction as well. And mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 FFS this site so slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Yep. It is absolutely common place (as well as common sense). Anyone who thinks otherwise is naive. apparently only 40% according to sky earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Let's face it no bugger wants to come here. Premier League? You're having a laugh! NC just doesn't fancy it this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 apparently only 40% according to sky earlier Probably the 40% who don't waste weeks chasing targets who never wanted to come in the first place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Let's face it no bugger wants to come here. Premier League? You're having a laugh! NC just doesn't fancy it this year. I'd really 8-2 be you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Let's face it no bugger wants to come here. Premier League? You're having a laugh! NC just doesn't fancy it this year. But you're a ***** so your opinion doesn't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Let's face it no bugger wants to come here. Premier League? You're having a laugh! NC just doesn't fancy it this year. I 8-2 tell you but your alzheimers has flared up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 I know a few people have been slated for critisizing NA/NC for our transfers but if the J Rod debacle is true then we have seriously messed up. We have 'apparently' been tracking him for weeks and wait to the last minute to make an offer only to find out that he doesnt even want to come to us?! I hope NC wasnt thinking he would be shrewd in making a last minute offer they wouldnt be able to refuse and therefore we would get our man... SURELY we would have sussed out if he was prepared to come to use before using this approach?! I am now starting to question whether we have messed up things in this window losing out on players etc. I know we have got Fox, De Ridder & Cork but we have seemingly lost out on far more than we have got in and if you buy enough lottery tickets you will eventually win... I'll reserve final judgement for tomorrow am when all has been finalised but we have tried and failed a hell of a lot it seems recently and that to me is not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornhill_saints Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Puncheon QPR signing now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrek Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 Has anyone actually seen a quote from him saying that? If not, this is all nonsense speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 31 August, 2011 Share Posted 31 August, 2011 I think we are missing a really big opportunity to kick on this season. We have got off to a good start and some of that is down to the momentum we carried through from a great L1 campaign. we have lost AOC and banked 12 million. Cork has definately strengthened the team but I feel De Ridder who is still unproven and Fox arguable not needed mean we havent really improved in the areas needed. We needed strengthening throught the spine of the team and so far only have corkin a key position that needed filling. An injury up front to either lambert of connoly and we are buggered. Blackpool got off to a great start in the premier with the momentum from thier NPC campaign but fell away and got relegated. Now i dont think we will be relegated but had a massive opportunity to kick on. 3 hours to go and i hope we dont waste it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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