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Chris Boden says he'd be surprised if the deal fell through now. He thinks its just too late in the day for the Everton bid and he expects it to be confirmed over the weekend at some point.

 

He's even raised the point that Jay knows how much we want him here and questions why Burnley would accept less than the 6.5m we've had accepted.

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Also just noticed on that article, that Everton will likely offer less to Burnley than we have.

 

errr...ok, so in what situation would Burnley accept less...? Seems a bizarre move and every-time I read it it sounds more and more like an agent/selling club plant to speed things along.

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If Everton are serious, offer the cash and are given permission to speak, then it's over.

 

I'm not quite sure they can afford another £7m though. They had to do alot of wheeling and dealing in January to just get the funds for Jelavic.

 

He'd probably even accept less wages to join them....and if anything, this is your typical agent/selling club plant in order to rush the deal through as it's been dragging for a while.

 

Next week will be interesting.

 

Fellaini or Cahill to leave?

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Fellaini or Cahill to leave?

 

Cahill seems the most likely, but they won't get £7m for him. I find it ludicrous that Burnley could be forced to accept much less, why would they? They call the shots as far as I'm concerned and if we offer the most then in their position, they should reject anything less.

 

Wages-wise there wouldn't be a great deal of difference between ourselves and Evertons offer, we might even offer a bit more. So if he really wants to stay north, then that's up to him. Seems a silly reason to base a footballing decision on though and I know Burnley want this sorted ASAP, which is why this 'interest' isn't in their interests as it will drag on till July/August.

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I find it ludicrous that Burnley could be forced to accept much less, why would they? They call the shots as far as I'm concerned and if we offer the most then in their position, they should reject anything less.

 

Do they not then run the risk of him opting to stay and see his contract out and leave for nothing at the end of next season?

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Seems like typical tabloid ****e from Alan Nixon.

 

Everton, West Brom and Sunderland have been interested from day 1 but don't have the money/gumption to match our bid so it's never gonna happen.

 

Still expect it to go through pending a medical over the weekend/early next week.

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Cahill seems the most likely, but they won't get £7m for him. I find it ludicrous that Burnley could be forced to accept much less, why would they? They call the shots as far as I'm concerned and if we offer the most then in their position, they should reject anything less.

 

Wages-wise there wouldn't be a great deal of difference between ourselves and Evertons offer, we might even offer a bit more. So if he really wants to stay north, then that's up to him. Seems a silly reason to base a footballing decision on though and I know Burnley want this sorted ASAP, which is why this 'interest' isn't in their interests as it will drag on till July/August.

 

Exactly, which why I think someone is smoking Everton's alleged interest but lack of cash out so as to force this deal through over the weekend. I still think this deal WILL happen. I'd imagine Eddie Howe is keen to get on with his own rebuilding of Burnley's squad so he'll wan to stop any stalling or delay tactics. My priority however is Saints and we've got half-a-dozen new faces to bring in so the club need to get this done over the next 48 hours or forget it and move on asap. Fair play to Cortese for backing Nigel on this one but I can't help feeling it won't do Nigel much good if he can't get this deal done very quickly. He might even find that the club bring in an expensive striker for him that might not be his first choice.

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All we know for sure (if Monk is telling the truth ;-) ) is that Rodriguez is in Southampton and is talking to us over (at least) the next day or two. The only offer Burnley have accepted is ours. Everton do not have permission to speak to the player directly as they have neither tabled a bid nor had a bid accepted. By all accounts they will have to sell to buy. How long will that take? Is the player going to gamble on something which may never happen, particularly if Burnley reject any bid lower than ours? He would be mad to take that risk and I don't think Burnley - who stand to lose money on a player in the last year of his contract - would take too kindly to him doing so.

 

Above all let us not forget that Alan Nixon is not a Saints spy, planted on earth to give us the information we want so that we can go away happy; he is a journalist paid to promote his employer's publication and to keep people dangling, mesmerised by the promise of more snippets to come....

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Above all let us not forget that Alan Nixon is not a Saints spy, planted on earth to give us the information we want so that we can go away happy; he is a journalist paid to promote his employer's publication and to keep people dangling, mesmerised by the promise of more snippets to come....

 

Exactly. Where is in the interest in an article stating that he's talking to us over the weekend, and it may go through? That won't sell many papers.

 

Lets make it a bit juicy and add another club to the mix....that will spice it up a bit and grab a few more readers onto the tale.

 

At the end of the day the media, and especially football, isn't the most honest of industry's. So much crap goes on behind the scenes to hurry bids up, generate interest that isn't there etc. It can be a bit of a dirty sport in that sense at times.

 

Most of the stuff that's in papers is planted from people with an agenda, and the managers of the said club usually have no idea.

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The Mirror story might have more credibility if it were a club with financial clout that wanted to make a rival bid for Rodriquez but the club mentioned is Everton which apparently has to sell to make an offer that will be less than Saints'. Doesn't make sense. And Burnley appear desperate to get funds asap to make their own signings. Why would Burnley and the player hang around for Everton, in expectation that they may or may not be able to raise the cash through player sales.

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So just to confirm we are taking everything Nixon says as gospel except this bit about Everton which has only been written to sell papers as its more interesting that Rodriguez in saints talks?

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So just to confirm we are taking everything Nixon says as gospel except this bit about Everton which has only been written to sell papers as its more interesting that Rodriguez in saints talks?

 

Alot have had their doubts about him for quite some time after his Rooney connections were revealed.

 

But this latest story seems to confirm he's just another tabloid **** stirrer

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So just to confirm we are taking everything Nixon says as gospel except this bit about Everton which has only been written to sell papers as its more interesting that Rodriguez in saints talks?

 

Yes Turkish, do keep up FFS. He clearly has an anti-Saints agenda like every other reporter. FFS.

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So just to confirm we are taking everything Nixon says as gospel except this bit about Everton which has only been written to sell papers as its more interesting that Rodriguez in saints talks?

 

He's been talking waffle for days now, I've not taken anything he's said as gospel. He hasn't got a scooby.

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He's been talking waffle for days now, I've not taken anything he's said as gospel. He hasn't got a scooby.

 

The first few days of the 'saga' I admit I was taken by his 'information' but since his supposed deadlines of last Friday and this Thursday have passed without incident I now think he doesn't have a clue, and is now relying on hearsay and rumours like all of us on this forum about the Jay Rod deal.

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An anecdote, whilst we're in the middle of slagging off a fellow hack, rightly or wrongly...

 

A few years back, some people claiming to have inside knowledge told a sports writer at the Mirror that Paul Ince was going to leave Inter and sign for Arsenal. He'd heard it so often that he thought it had to be true, and kept bothering Piers Morgan, the then editor, about it. Morgan being an Arsenal fan got a bit peeved with this constant talk, and he wanted to settle it once and for all. He got his friend to ring up and tell the sports writer that it was a done deal, 100%. The writer then went to Piers Morgan and told him what he'd just heard. Morgan said "fine, would you put your job on it?" and the reply was of course, yes. Morgan then brought in David Dein, a good friend of his, and of course at the time, the Arsenal chairman. He asked Dein "Are you signing Paul Ince?". Dein answered bluntly, no.

 

What became of that journalist I've no idea.

 

I think though some of you shouldn't be so hasty to rule out the possibility that Everton are in for him, or slag off a journalist for reporting it.

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An anecdote, whilst we're in the middle of slagging off a fellow hack, rightly or wrongly...

 

A few years back, some people claiming to have inside knowledge told a sports writer at the Mirror that Paul Ince was going to leave Inter and sign for Arsenal. He'd heard it so often that he thought it had to be true, and kept bothering Piers Morgan, the then editor, about it. Morgan being an Arsenal fan got a bit peeved with this constant talk, and he wanted to settle it once and for all. He got his friend to ring up and tell the sports writer that it was a done deal, 100%. The writer then went to Piers Morgan and told him what he'd just heard. Morgan said "fine, would you put your job on it?" and the reply was of course, yes. Morgan then brought in David Dein, a good friend of his, and of course at the time, the Arsenal chairman. He asked Dein "Are you signing Paul Ince?". Dein answered bluntly, no.

 

What became of that journalist I've no idea.

 

I think though some of you shouldn't be so hasty to rule out the possibility that Everton are in for him, or slag off a journalist for reporting it.

 

None of us are saying Everton ISN'T in for him. We're simply saying that IF Everton's interest in him were serious they'd probably have equalled/exceeded our bid by now. We're in for him. They'd need to match/beat our bid in able to just be able to talk to him over a possible move.

 

Nixon has said there was a deadline on Friday when Jay Rod wasn't even in the country, and then another deadline yesterday when he'd pretty much just flown in from his holiday in Mexico. We're not totally discounting Nixon as upto the deadline stuff his information has been more or less correct.

 

Everton, Sunderland and West Brom have been interested throughout this summer, but at the end of the day they haven't stumped up a bid and therefore can't talk to him.

 

We're still in prime position. If Everton/Sunderland/West Brom match/exceed our bid for him then we'll be in trouble.

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I don't think everyone can afford to take the gamble,they will be looking to spend any available cash very very wisely so I don't think jrod will fit their criteria.

Tbh it won't be the end of the world if he doesn't sign for us,it will just be a bit of a blow to Adkins who will look as if he is unable to attract even lower league players.

We can offer him premier league football,millionaire status and regular first team football.....if that doesn't interest him then the boy is obviously a fool.........give the boy a deadline and move on.

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I don't think everton can afford to take the gamble,they will be looking to spend any available cash very very wisely so I don't think jrod will fit their criteria.

Tbh it won't be the end of the world if he doesn't sign for us,it will just be a bit of a blow to Adkins who will look as if he is unable to attract even lower league players.

We can offer him premier league football,millionaire status and regular first team football.....if that doesn't interest him then the boy is obviously a fool.........give the boy a deadline and move on.

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I don't think everyone can afford to take the gamble,they will be looking to spend any available cash very very wisely so I don't think jrod will fit their criteria.

Tbh it won't be the end of the world if he doesn't sign for us,it will just be a bit of a blow to Adkins who will look as if he is unable to attract even lower league players.

We can offer him premier league football,millionaire status and regular first team football.....if that doesn't interest him then the boy is obviously a fool.........give the boy a deadline and move on.

think you are spot on.
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Lots of delusion here. If JR says no, I want to join Everton then Everton can sit there all summer with five million quid on the table. If they are the only game in town Burnley have to take it.

 

Burnley are not in the position to "call the shots" in the way some think.

 

That said it feels like we have done a lot of work on the boy, so lets hope we get over the line.

 

But don't kid yourselves people. The player decides not the selling club.

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Do they not then run the risk of him opting to stay and see his contract out and leave for nothing at the end of next season?

 

He would be taking a risk though. A bad injury without the security of a decent contract would be disastrous for him.

 

If we offer him a decent contract, I can't see him turning it down, in the hope that Everton (who quite rightly have a salary cap) sell enough players to buy him.

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Wages-wise there wouldn't be a great deal of difference between ourselves and Evertons offer, we might even offer a bit more.

 

that Everton (who quite rightly have a salary cap)

 

The same Everton that were paying Mikel Arteta the best part of 80k a week no that long ago? The guy had to take a pay cut to join Arsenal...

 

There's a reason Everton haven't been able to spend big money consistently on transfer fees over the last 6 or 7 years: They pay huge wages instead.

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I'm sat here reading this thread thinking: "Three years ago we were contemplating trips to Dagenham and Redbridge and now we're debating whether there is a transfer tussle between ourselves and Everton for one of the country's potential top strikers".

 

Ain't life grand :-)

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I don't think everyone can afford to take the gamble,they will be looking to spend any available cash very very wisely so I don't think jrod will fit their criteria.

Tbh it won't be the end of the world if he doesn't sign for us,it will just be a bit of a blow to Adkins who will look as if he is unable to attract even lower league players.

We can offer him premier league football,millionaire status and regular first team football.....if that doesn't interest him then the boy is obviously a fool.........give the boy a deadline and move on.

 

Everton can offer those things too with no threat of being in the Championship next season.

 

Adkins would be gutted if it falls through - JR has been his top target for two summers!

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Lots of delusion here. If JR says no, I want to join Everton then Everton can sit there all summer with five million quid on the table. If they are the only game in town Burnley have to take it.

 

Burnley are not in the position to "call the shots" in the way some think.

 

That said it feels like we have done a lot of work on the boy, so lets hope we get over the line.

 

But don't kid yourselves people. The player decides not the selling club.

 

Exactly! If he wants to join Everton they and him can sit it out Plus they can sell to raise cash while Jayrod stalls 7m is not a fortune in prem terms.

 

On the other hand he may be about to join us!

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The same Everton that were paying Mikel Arteta the best part of 80k a week no that long ago? The guy had to take a pay cut to join Arsenal...

 

There's a reason Everton haven't been able to spend big money consistently on transfer fees over the last 6 or 7 years: They pay huge wages instead.

 

£80k a week my arse.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-465123/Cahill-Arteta-sign-big-money-deals-stay-Everton.html

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None of us are saying Everton ISN'T in for him. We're simply saying that IF Everton's interest in him were serious they'd probably have equalled/exceeded our bid by now. We're in for him. They'd need to match/beat our bid in able to just be able to talk to him over a possible move.

 

Burnley may hold some of the cards, but seeing as they don't want to lose him for nowt they don't hold them all. They just might have to accept a lower bid from Everton if perhaps JR is reluctant to move down South (or fancies a bigger club like Everton).
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I thought it was common knowledge that Everton had a cap of about £45k. I can't see it being £75k and I've got a couple of scouse mates who don't think so either.

 

Who knows.

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I thought it was common knowledge that Everton had a cap of about £45k. I can't see it being £75k and I've got a couple of scouse mates who don't think so either.

 

Who knows.

 

Someone is earning a few bob. 2010/11 season their wage bill was £58m and they tend to have a smallish squad (currently 26).

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Lots of delusion here. If JR says no, I want to join Everton then Everton can sit there all summer with five million quid on the table. If they are the only game in town Burnley have to take it.

 

Burnley are not in the position to "call the shots" in the way some think.

 

That said it feels like we have done a lot of work on the boy, so lets hope we get over the line.

 

But don't kid yourselves people. The player decides not the selling club.

 

Have Everton put £5m on the table? Have they even got £5m? It seems not.

 

What are the consequences for Rodriguez if he stalls and waits on a wing and prayer for Everton to find a bit of cash down the back of the sofa? Well Saints probably won't fanny about and they'll go and sign Hooper (just saying).

 

What's Rodriguez's fall back position in this scenario should Everton remain skint? He stays at Burnley for another year and runs down his contract. Fine in theory but in practice he completely stuffs his home town club which he has always supported and which needs the money now to sign players.

 

So I take your point, the player's in a strong position but it's not so simple as you say.

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Surely the biggest risk to this deal is that burnely had announced they had agreed a fee. Doesn't strike me that this is cortese's way of business. For all we know, the Nicola may have walked away already.

 

If and when we sign players, my belief is that they will come out of the blue

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Surely the biggest risk to this deal is that burnely had announced they had agreed a fee. Doesn't strike me that this is cortese's way of business. For all we know, the Nicola may have walked away already.

 

If and when we sign players, my belief is that they will come out of the blue

 

Burnley didn't make an official announcement and haven't done at all. It's the agents that leak it to the press as a way of hurrying up other interested parties. The timelines of his holiday haven't helped, but we are still the only team to have agreed a fee so must still be in the box seat.

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I thought it was common knowledge that Everton had a cap of about £45k. I can't see it being £75k and I've got a couple of scouse mates who don't think so either.

 

Who knows.

 

Someone is earning a few bob. 2010/11 season their wage bill was £58m and they tend to have a smallish squad (currently 26).

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2032533/Mikel-Arteta-admits-Arsenal-good-turn-down.html

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3787233/Mikel-Arteta-takes-pay-cut-to-join-Arsenal.html

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18324116

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Surely the biggest risk to this deal is that burnely had announced they had agreed a fee. Doesn't strike me that this is cortese's way of business. For all we know, the Nicola may have walked away already.

 

If and when we sign players, my belief is that they will come out of the blue

 

Its one thing to keep £250k signings from Colchester or Italy quiet in league one which no one cares about. Not so easy for multi million pound deals in the premier league with agents and the media all over them. The signings of Cork, Sharp, Fox and Lee hardly came out of the blue did they and that was when we were in the championship. If Cortese walked away from every deal when it got out in the media we will never sign anyone.

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Have Everton put £5m on the table? Have they even got £5m? It seems not.

 

What are the consequences for Rodriguez if he stalls and waits on a wing and prayer for Everton to find a bit of cash down the back of the sofa? Well Saints probably won't fanny about and they'll go and sign Hooper (just saying).

 

What's Rodriguez's fall back position in this scenario should Everton remain skint? He stays at Burnley for another year and runs down his contract. Fine in theory but in practice he completely stuffs his home town club which he has always supported and which needs the money now to sign players.

 

So I take your point, the player's in a strong position but it's not so simple as you say.

 

 

Well, we don't know what Everton have done or haven't done. Some people on this forum refuse to believe that even we have put a bid in, so on that criteria we'll never know.

 

The transfer deadline is the end of August. If Jay decides to wait, he can wait. He knows he'll get a move if he wants it.

 

You have to remember why we have gone as early as we have. Clear potential interest elsewhere.

 

His power increases the closer we get to September.

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Chris Boden says he'd be surprised if the deal fell through now. He thinks its just too late in the day for the Everton bid and he expects it to be confirmed over the weekend at some point.

 

He's even raised the point that Jay knows how much we want him here and questions why Burnley would accept less than the 6.5m we've had accepted.

 

If the player did not want to come down here then it could easily fall through, but I can't see any indications of this, just a reluctance to move so far away. Once he has a look at the area and has a chat with his ex team mates I reckon that will be put to bed. Just as with Cork last year, this is a massive step in the lads career and he will want to make sure he gets everything right, so a 1 to 2 week pause would be expected.

 

If J Rod turns us down it could easily mean Burnley having to take less of a fee, but that would mean things dragging on after the season has started. J Rods value will be dropping as time goes by, but I would expect that to impact on J Rods slice of the fee he would normally expect, possibly to the extent of the difference between the two fees.

 

At the beginning I thought Everton would be interested in J Rod, but equally I can't see the move going quickly or paying the most. They have so much work to do to clear the financial decks that the season could well be underway before they were capable of making a move. That I imagine would make a player very nervous about stalling too long, especially when he looks at what happened to Beresford, hardly a good shake of the whip'

 

Because there is such a positive history in Saints wanting the player and being very quick out of the blocks, we may have done enough to pip Everton who will not be able to react anywhere near as quickly unless Kenwright has found some investment. All of this will be flying through the lads head at light speed every waking hour and it would not surprise me he would want to get it all cleared up and in place for when pre-season training starts. If he gets in for a full pre-season he gives himself the best chance of making a success of the move.

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Great summary up and away - spot on in every way.

 

At the end of the day, we wouldn't have been trying as hard as we have for the last 18 or so months if there weren't 'positive' indications from his side. The fact he's actually in Southampton now is also a huge step. It may happen over the weekend, but I still expect this to rumble on for a few weeks. Luckily we got in there early so we can still sort before pre-season, sensible from us as I assume we anticipated the other interest.

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I just think that although Jack Cork and Danny Fox are both very good players, maybe it has all been part of a long term plan to get these two here to eventually get Jay to join them? We could've easily gone for other LB's and CM's in the division but these 2 are both reportedly good friends with Jay and by having these here, we can then use them in our favour to persuade him to join us?

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