Ludwig Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 Is no one concerned that this is a very expensive signing? This is the sort of figure that Newcastle signed Pa**** Cisse for. Is Rodriguez necessarily going to be able to step up and have the impact that such a pricetag suggests is expected of him? He's the right sort of player, seems of good character, potential and has performed well for Burnley - but £7M+, seriously? Is he worth 2.5x+ Lee, Lambert and Sharp combined? It's a dangerous precedent being set to spend such a large figure so soon. Unless we're intending to do most of our business elsewhere, if we look at other young British players, clubs will look to hold us to ransom. Which will either result in not securing our preferred targets, or spending an awful lot of money, which although encouraging (wrt what our current financial situation/backing is) is not something I'd be glad to see (even though we're not looking at the sorts of players QPR signed, we could end up with players who turn out 'average' [see O'Neill's signings at Villa, or Bruce/Keane at Sunderland]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 (edited) Blame the9 for ruining yet another thread with an anti-Lambert rant. If only you'd actually read it. I'm more interested in whether Sigurdsson has actually signed that Swansea contract, if their manager's about to jump ship to Liverpool. Then again, he'd be more likely to sign for Liverpool then, wouldn't he ? As it happens, I have no idea if Rodriguez has pace from my vague recollections of him not being as effective as Charlie Austin against us last season, but if we're signing him as a Prem team, I bet he has. Edited 30 May, 2012 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 Is no one concerned that this is a very expensive signing? This is the sort of figure that Newcastle signed Pa**** Cisse for. Is Rodriguez necessarily going to be able to step up and have the impact that such a pricetag suggests is expected of him? He's the right sort of player, seems of good character, potential and has performed well for Burnley - but £7M+, seriously? Is he worth 2.5x+ Lee, Lambert and Sharp combined? It's a dangerous precedent being set to spend such a large figure so soon. Unless we're intending to do most of our business elsewhere, if we look at other young British players, clubs will look to hold us to ransom. Which will either result in not securing our preferred targets, or spending an awful lot of money, which although encouraging (wrt what our current financial situation/backing is) is not something I'd be glad to see (even though we're not looking at the sorts of players QPR signed, we could end up with players who turn out 'average' [see O'Neill's signings at Villa, or Bruce/Keane at Sunderland]. It's alot of money, but it's what you have to pay for top english prospects. There's no getting away from that. Was Chambo worth £16m when we sold him? Probably not, no - but he's proven to be a shewed signing in the end. Was Wickham worth the £12m that Sunderland paid? No, probably not. He hasn't really had the impact either as yet, but mainly down to injury. At the end of the day young English players = inflated fee's, so if you want them you have to pay over the odds. We'll be getting a future England international though IMO. Ask most Burnley fans who watch him every week and they think we're getting him for a steal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 You make valid points but also completely fail to understand (or purposely ignore) what others are getting at. Admittedly I typed that up on my phone which always ends up with me cutting things short. I'd be pretty damn thick to put Rickie in the same league as Rooney. However they are both the attacking focal point of their teams. While we go long to Lambert regularly, he is just as likely to drop short or pull out wide and link up play allowing our other attacking players to overlap. We don't necessarily need him busting a gut to get back in the box in seconds á la Rooney, he didn't do it last year and we were successful enough, we scored 1.25 goals per game from other sources. Undoubtedly if we'd had Sharp and Lee from the start this number would have been greater. Add in J Rod and hopefully we'll be even more potent. I'm aware we'll be playing against better players but also, as last year proved, there are plenty of shocking defenders in the prem. But my point is that without having that ability to link and score soon after we may well be better off using a different option in the Prem, hence thinking Sharp could get more games. There's a significant difference in the speed with which teams need to attack in the Prem compared to the Championship (and of course League One). Course, we might find that Lambert dropping off and Sharp on the shoulder of the last defender is the best option - or Rodriguez and Sharp mixing it up, or Lambert and Rodriguez, or Lee up top on his own, who knows ? I'm just trying to sustain a discussion on the relative merits of the type of strikers we have (focusing on Sharp and Lambert as that's the statement I made). It might turn out that we sign another 3 strikers and they both become Lee Barnard 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 Is no one concerned that this is a very expensive signing? This is the sort of figure that Newcastle signed Pa**** Cisse for. Is Rodriguez necessarily going to be able to step up and have the impact that such a pricetag suggests is expected of him? He's the right sort of player, seems of good character, potential and has performed well for Burnley - but £7M+, seriously? Is he worth 2.5x+ Lee, Lambert and Sharp combined? It's a dangerous precedent being set to spend such a large figure so soon. Unless we're intending to do most of our business elsewhere, if we look at other young British players, clubs will look to hold us to ransom. Which will either result in not securing our preferred targets, or spending an awful lot of money, which although encouraging (wrt what our current financial situation/backing is) is not something I'd be glad to see (even though we're not looking at the sorts of players QPR signed, we could end up with players who turn out 'average' [see O'Neill's signings at Villa, or Bruce/Keane at Sunderland]. Just out of interest how much do you value Lallana at?? For those on about pace....didn't seem to bother Beattie much and he scored a few for us in the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 (edited) But my point is that without having that ability to link and score soon after we may well be better off using a different option in the Prem, hence thinking Sharp could get more games. There's a significant difference in the speed with which teams need to attack in the Prem compared to the Championship (and of course League One). Course, we might find that Lambert dropping off and Sharp on the shoulder of the last defender is the best option - or Rodriguez and Sharp mixing it up, or Lambert and Rodriguez, or Lee up top on his own, who knows ? I'm just trying to sustain a discussion on the relative merits of the type of strikers we have (focusing on Sharp and Lambert as that's the statement I made). It might turn out that we sign another 3 strikers and they both become Lee Barnard 2011. Is there? You say it like teams only score on the break in the PL or something. Or that the only strikers who score or contribute massively to their teams are fast. Or that there's no merit at all in playing through teams with skill, or even a direct approach. I don't buy it, I'm afraid. Edited 30 May, 2012 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 Is there? You say it like teams only score on the break in the PL or something. Or that the only strikers who score or contribute massively to their teams are fast. Or that there's no merit at all in playing through teams with skill, or even a direct approach. I don't buy it, I'm afraid. I agree - are Everton better down the flanks at pace than Blackpool? Are Villa quicker than Reading? Are Fulham quicker than West Ham?? There's a lot of bo llox spouted about the quality of the Premiership. There are four world class teams in the Premiership. There are two very good teams. Then there are the rest. And we could easily beat many of them - Wigan, Fulham, QPR, Everton, Villa, Liverpool, Swansea, Norwich, Sunderland, West Ham, Reading... If those teams hold a fear for us we might as well pack up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 I agree - are Everton better down the flanks at pace than Blackpool? Are Villa quicker than Reading? Are Fulham quicker than West Ham?? There's a lot of bo llox spouted about the quality of the Premiership. There are four world class teams in the Premiership. There are two very good teams. Then there are the rest. And we could easily beat many of them - Wigan, Fulham, QPR, Everton, Villa, Liverpool, Swansea, Norwich, Sunderland, West Ham, Reading... If those teams hold a fear for us we might as well pack up now. Good post - didn't seem to bother that POG at Fulham and he is a carthorse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 If this Jay lad is anywhere near as good as his namesake 'Peter' then I for one will be cheering him on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 Is no one concerned that this is a very expensive signing? This is the sort of figure that Newcastle signed Pa**** Cisse for. Is Rodriguez necessarily going to be able to step up and have the impact that such a pricetag suggests is expected of him? He's the right sort of player, seems of good character, potential and has performed well for Burnley - but £7M+, seriously? Is he worth 2.5x+ Lee, Lambert and Sharp combined? It's a dangerous precedent being set to spend such a large figure so soon. Unless we're intending to do most of our business elsewhere, if we look at other young British players, clubs will look to hold us to ransom. Which will either result in not securing our preferred targets, or spending an awful lot of money, which although encouraging (wrt what our current financial situation/backing is) is not something I'd be glad to see (even though we're not looking at the sorts of players QPR signed, we could end up with players who turn out 'average' [see O'Neill's signings at Villa, or Bruce/Keane at Sunderland]. Are we actually playing 7million up front though? I'm not so sure we will be if the transfer goes through. I reckon it could be anything from 3.5m to 5m up front and the rest on appearances. Obviously I'm not in the know, I'm just speculating that could be the kind of deal both clubs might agree on if the deal goes through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 A few new goals in this youtube video. He's just class isn't he? Great in the air, bit of pace to get away on the shoulder, terrific technique and agility on the ball, strong in the air and bringing other's into play. He's just a top class all round centre forward, with years ahead of him and will only get better. Personally, I'm a massive fan and if it takes £7m+ then so be it. [video=youtube;PsyCqOLo-KY] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 A few new goals in this youtube video. He's just class isn't he? Great in the air, bit of pace to get away on the shoulder, terrific technique and agility on the ball, strong in the air and bringing other's into play. He's just a top class all round centre forward, with years ahead of him and will only get better. Personally, I'm a massive fan and if it takes £7m+ then so be it. [video=youtube;PsyCqOLo-KY] What did you think of him in the games against us last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 What did you think of him in the games against us last season? What did you think of Billy Sharps performance at Blackpool ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 (edited) What did you think of him in the games against us last season? Didn't stand out. But then again if you are going to judge a player or team on 2 perfomances then Bristol City fans probably think Lallana and Lambert are a waste of space. I take far more stock in what I have read on the Burnley message boards from posters who watch him week in week out. I particulary liked this comment, "you're getting a player with a bit of everything. He's not the quickest, but I don't think I've ever seen a centre half (admittedly at Championship level) chase him down once he's got through one-on-one. He's not a physical beast, but he's getting stronger by the week, and by the end of last season before his injury he was beginning to bully defenders with his back to goal - the big development in his game last season IMO. And he's also as strong in the air in terms of directing good headers on goal as anyone I've seen at Burnley. His link up game is immaculate, his finishing is good, he's got a cracking shot from distance and he has a sublime cross-field ball in his locker. And he's still only 22". Edited 30 May, 2012 by Katalinic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 (edited) What did you think of him in the games against us last season? Handful in the away game, got the assist IIRC. He didn't get a great deal of service in the home match, but I did watch him most of the game as we'd been linked with him for so long, in the snippets you could tell he had class, he just oozed it whenever he got the ball - but he didn't get it anywhere near enough, and the service to him was pants. Wasn't the best game to judge him on. His overall record this year is quality though, so many different types of goals. That's what makes him stand out for me, he can score headers, long range 30 yarders, clinical finishes, poaches goals and mazey/dribbling goals. Out of Hooper and him, I'd want us to go for him, I think he's much more than just a 6 yard box striker. Edited 30 May, 2012 by S-Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 What did you think of him in the games against us last season? Big, strong, good movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 Everyone's entitled to their opinion of course, but Rodriguez was named as Rickie's partner in the championship team of the year. He's no mug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Le Shearer Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 . Can you see why I think not having pace is an exception not a rule ? But you`re wrong. Having great pace is obviously much more rare than having mediocre pace. This is very logical, as the definition of "fast", is compared with an average - in this case all the strikers in the prem. Saints have had two previous top goal-scorers in the prem: James Beattie and P. Crouch. None had more pace than Lambert. Infact, a players ability to score goals in the PL, regardless of team, over the last few years, seem to have no correlation with pace at all ! Van Persie and Holt this season;not one goal scored as a direct result of pace. Drogba; almost never ran/run past players or in behind the defence. The list goes on with recentluy successful players such as Adebayor, Carroll, Yakubu, Felaini, Dzeko etc - all without much pace. If one does study the top ten goalscorers in the prem for each of the last ten seasons, you`ll find that under half of those players can be characterised as "fast". Other qualities can, and does, compensate for a lack of pace. Its all about playing to the strengths of your forwards, and no team does this better than Southampton does with Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 To be honest, he didn't do that much against us, especially at SMS. At their place, I think he muscled Jos off the ball to win a header for their opener and was neat and tidy, dropping deep but didn't really look that threatening. Indeed, he snatched at a few chances. That said, I still rate the player and think a clever, hold-up player is so crucial to the way we play, we can't have enough of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 Handful in the away game, got the assist IIRC. He didn't get a great deal of service in the home match, but I did watch him most of the game as we'd been linked with him for so long, in the snippets you could tell he had class, he just oozed it whenever he got the ball - but he didn't get it anywhere near enough, and the service to him was pants. Wasn't the best game to judge him on. His overall record this year is quality though, so many different types of goals. That's what makes him stand out for me, he can score headers, long range 30 yarders, clinical finishes, poaches goals and mazey/dribbling goals. Out of Hooper and him, I'd want us to go for him, I think he's much more than just a 6 yard box striker. Yes, it's the variety of goals which stand out. We've already got Billy for the fox in the box so another type of striker will be critical next season, I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 Didn't stand out. But then again if you are going to judge a player or team on 2 perfomances then Bristol City fans probably think Lallana and Lambert are a waste of space. I take far more stock in what I have read on the Burnley message boards from posters who watch him week in week out. I particulary liked this comment, "you're getting a player with a bit of everything. He's not the quickest, but I don't think I've ever seen a centre half (admittedly at Championship level) chase him down once he's got through one-on-one. He's not a physical beast, but he's getting stronger by the week, and by the end of last season before his injury he was beginning to bully defenders with his back to goal - the big development in his game last season IMO. And he's also as strong in the air in terms of directing good headers on goal as anyone I've seen at Burnley. His link up game is immaculate, his finishing is good, he's got a cracking shot from distance and he has a sublime cross-field ball in his locker. And he's still only 22". After reading that I'm questioning my sexuality. Also Rory will no longer be Our Most Expensive Signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 Is there? You say it like teams only score on the break in the PL or something. Or that the only strikers who score or contribute massively to their teams are fast. Or that there's no merit at all in playing through teams with skill, or even a direct approach. I don't buy it, I'm afraid. Not at all, what I'm saying is that the windows of opportunity in the Prem are significantly fewer and shorter in the Prem and we need to be able to take advantage of them as much as possible. If we knock it out wide, lay it back to the right back and whip a cross in against decent Prem sides they'll eat it up all day long with a lot fewer problems than Championship teams have with it. The window of opportunity is in shifting the ball quickly, turning defenders and attacking the space in the area, not in hanging about while your playmaking target man gets himself in position. Admittedly this was only one of our approaches (a very successful one until December), but it's one that won't work as well against better defences unless we can do it with more speed than we've been used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 Just out of interest how much do you value Lallana at?? I see Lallana's worth to us (and thus the value which I'd see as an acceptable figure for signing him) as more than what I'd be willing to pay for him, were Lallana a player at some other club. I'd be concerned, say, as a Burnley fan (having just been promoted) if we were to sign Adam Lallana for £8M from Southampton (a Championship club), despite agreeing that his quality is sufficient to improve the side. It's more the fear that the reported fee and associated expectations may both affect the player and the club's future transfer dealings, than thinking that Rodriguez represents a 'bad buy'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 Not at all, what I'm saying is that the windows of opportunity in the Prem are significantly fewer and shorter in the Prem and we need to be able to take advantage of them as much as possible. If we knock it out wide, lay it back to the right back and whip a cross in against decent Prem sides they'll eat it up all day long with a lot fewer problems than Championship teams have with it. The window of opportunity is in shifting the ball quickly, turning defenders and attacking the space in the area, not in hanging about while your playmaking target man gets himself in position. Admittedly this was only one of our approaches (a very successful one until December), but it's one that won't work as well against better defences unless we can do it with more speed than we've been used to. We need a younger version of Fabrice Fernandes to do the crop circles thing. Weirdly, that kinda worked. Mainly as he very rarely gave away possession, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 But you`re wrong. Having great pace is obviously much more rare than having mediocre pace. This is very logical, as the definition of "fast", is compared with an average - in this case all the strikers in the prem. Saints have had two previous top goal-scorers in the prem: James Beattie and P. Crouch. None had more pace than Lambert. Infact, a players ability to score goals in the PL, regardless of team, over the last few years, seem to have no correlation with pace at all ! Van Persie and Holt this season;not one goal scored as a direct result of pace. Drogba; almost never ran/run past players or in behind the defence. The list goes on with recentluy successful players such as Adebayor, Carroll, Yakubu, Felaini, Dzeko etc - all without much pace.. I'm clearly not wrong. Your scale is "within the Prem" where there will be a particular scale, but that scale is overall going to be at a higher level than the Championship. So a "mediocre" Prem player will be, on average across the entire league, a faster player than a mediocre Championship player. You can also pretty much guarantee that a slow Prem player will be significantly better than a fast Championship player at a lot of other things. The football pyramid is a meritocracy, that's how these things pan out. To say "fast players are an exception" is complete garbage, ESPECIALLY when we're comparing them against equivalent players from the League below. There will always be exceptions, and pace is not the be all and end all, but if you don't have pace you'd better be bloody good at some of the other stuff to compensate - and they ARE exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 We need a younger version of Fabrice Fernandes to do the crop circles thing. Weirdly, that kinda worked. Mainly as he very rarely gave away possession, I guess. One of life's great mysteries, the number of goals he probably cost us from cutting back ! Though he'd have probably fitted into the current possession ethos better than he did with Strachan's side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 Not at all, what I'm saying is that the windows of opportunity in the Prem are significantly fewer and shorter in the Prem and we need to be able to take advantage of them as much as possible. If we knock it out wide, lay it back to the right back and whip a cross in against decent Prem sides they'll eat it up all day long with a lot fewer problems than Championship teams have with it. The window of opportunity is in shifting the ball quickly, turning defenders and attacking the space in the area, not in hanging about while your playmaking target man gets himself in position. Admittedly this was only one of our approaches (a very successful one until December), but it's one that won't work as well against better defences unless we can do it with more speed than we've been used to. Isn't an either/or. Think players you need the likes of a J-Rod and Lambert to get the best out of pacier players i..e to hold the ball up and let runners break beyond them. Even better if your target man can pick a pass. Reading who have bags of pace were much more dangerous when Roberts gave them that option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 Not at all, what I'm saying is that the windows of opportunity in the Prem are significantly fewer and shorter in the Prem and we need to be able to take advantage of them as much as possible. If we knock it out wide, lay it back to the right back and whip a cross in against decent Prem sides they'll eat it up all day long with a lot fewer problems than Championship teams have with it. The window of opportunity is in shifting the ball quickly, turning defenders and attacking the space in the area, not in hanging about while your playmaking target man gets himself in position. Admittedly this was only one of our approaches (a very successful one until December), but it's one that won't work as well against better defences unless we can do it with more speed than we've been used to. Have you watched many Premiership games this season?? The standard of football for half the division is no different to that at the top of the Championship. The margins between the quality of the players is wafer thin until you get to the real world class players - then everyone struggles! Players like Nathan Dyer and Delap are doing well in the Premiership but weren't rated here, for example... If you're asking us how we will attack against Vidic and John Terry, the answer is with the same difficulty as Tevez, Dzeko, Rooney and Ageuro, and Messi... If you're saying that Lambert (and our general play) are not quick enought to outwit Fulham, Villa, Swansea, Sunderland, QPR, West Ham, Reading and Norwich, are you sure? You talk about 'the Premiership' as a standard. But it isn't is it? West Brom, for example, are they 'Premiership standard'. Or Wigan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 Not at all, what I'm saying is that the windows of opportunity in the Prem are significantly fewer and shorter in the Prem and we need to be able to take advantage of them as much as possible. If we knock it out wide, lay it back to the right back and whip a cross in against decent Prem sides they'll eat it up all day long with a lot fewer problems than Championship teams have with it. The window of opportunity is in shifting the ball quickly, turning defenders and attacking the space in the area, not in hanging about while your playmaking target man gets himself in position. Admittedly this was only one of our approaches (a very successful one until December), but it's one that won't work as well against better defences unless we can do it with more speed than we've been used to. That seems, to me at least, a wonderfully simplistic view of the way we play. I don't mind admitting we're a bit basic in our way of playing from time to time. But its not as if we haven't scored against PL teams before, even when in L1. It's not as if our tactics haven't worked before against PL sides, again in L1. And its not as if we play a brand of football that clearly won't fit in the PL. I know for a fact from a mate who works in management for a top half Championship side that in pretty much all scouting reports and discussions about us, all teams knew they needed to stop Rickie Lambert but they all said that actually doing it was a whole different matter. Championship or Premiership (just for you there :-)) he will be our mainstay this season, rightly so, and I damn well hope so for a long time because I want to and believe he will do well at the highest level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 I thought this was about Jay Rod? No wonder less & less people come on here with all this pathetic argumenta all the time. Get a life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 Although he's not due back in the country until early next week, I wonder how the talks with his representatives have gone over the past couple of days. Gone very quiet although Alan Nixon did say it's entered the dull and boring negotiation stage. There must be a real probability that Jay Rod is interested in the switch otherwise his agents wouldn't bother negotiating and he'd just say 'not moving' even if Burnley have accepted the bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 I thought this was about Jay Rod? No wonder less & less people come on here with all this pathetic argumenta all the time. Get a life! If you want to talk about Jay Rod, and don't want the conversation to cover aspects of the way we play football what the f u c k do you want to talk about? His hair??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 Although he's not due back in the country until early next week' date=' I wonder how the talks with his representatives have gone over the past couple of days. Gone very quiet although Alan Nixon did say it's entered the dull and boring negotiation stage. There must be a real probability that Jay Rod is interested in the switch otherwise his agents wouldn't bother negotiating and he'd just say 'not moving' even if Burnley have accepted the bid.[/quote'] Accepting our bid may be a way of Burnley smoking out other offers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 Although he's not due back in the country until early next week' date=' I wonder how the talks with his representatives have gone over the past couple of days. Gone very quiet although Alan Nixon did say it's entered the dull and boring negotiation stage. There must be a real probability that Jay Rod is interested in the switch otherwise his agents wouldn't bother negotiating and he'd just say 'not moving' even if Burnley have accepted the bid.[/quote'] I managed to tweet Nixon a few times the other night, and he replied. Anyway from what I was told. His agent, who is ex-Burnley player Ade Akinbiyi has been in Southampton since Sunday night/Monday morning. They've discussed a deal, and Saints have made an offer. Akinbiyi has explained it to Rodriguez and maybe went back with some suggestions. However he believes that Rodriguez is most certainly interested and impressed with SFC's ambition. When he returns from Cancun in Mexico early next week, he will do his medical and check over his contract once more to check all is as expected. That's what I have been told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 I managed to tweet Nixon a few times the other night, and he replied. Anyway from what I was told. His agent, who is ex-Burnley player Ade Akinbiyi has been in Southampton since Sunday night/Monday morning. They've discussed a deal, and Saints have made an offer. Akinbiyi has explained it to Rodriguez and maybe went back with some suggestions. However he believes that Rodriguez is most certainly interested and impressed with SFC's ambition. When he returns from Cancun in Mexico early next week, he will do his medical and check over his contract once more to check all is as expected. That's what I have been told. Jay Rod's agent is Ade Akinbiyi??? This surprises me more than the fact we have bid £7 million for Jay Rod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 Jay Rod's agent is Ade Akinbiyi??? This surprises me more than the fact we have bid £7 million for Jay Rod. He is indeed. Akinbiyi spoke to the Scottish Daily Record last month about Jay when Celtic were rumoured to be sniffing about: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/04/30/celtic-face-stiff-competition-for-burnley-striker-jay-rodriguez-with-premiership-clubs-joining-chase-86908-23842478/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 If he comes to us, then he comes to us. If he doesn't then the search for another striker goes on. It will not be the biggest disappointment if we don't sign him. I never get excited until a player actually signs on the dotted line, and he trots out on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 30 May, 2012 Share Posted 30 May, 2012 Jay Rod's agent is Ade Akinbiyi??? This surprises me more than the fact we have bid £7 million for Jay Rod. Jay Rod has gone on holiday to Cancun??? That surprises me more than the fact his agent is Ade Akinbiyi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Accepting our bid may be a way of Burnley smoking out other offers? For what purpose? Accepting a bid of £7m from Saints isn't going to see other clubs suddenly offer £8m or £9m if they know £7m would be accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 The boring nerd is correct, for a change. Assuming the bid acceptance is also correct, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 I managed to tweet Nixon a few times the other night, and he replied. Anyway from what I was told. His agent, who is ex-Burnley player Ade Akinbiyi has been in Southampton since Sunday night/Monday morning. They've discussed a deal, and Saints have made an offer. Akinbiyi has explained it to Rodriguez and maybe went back with some suggestions. However he believes that Rodriguez is most certainly interested and impressed with SFC's ambition. When he returns from Cancun in Mexico early next week, he will do his medical and check over his contract once more to check all is as expected. That's what I have been told. If that's the current situation, and hes due for a medical next week, it sounds like we are not far away at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 If that's the current situation' date=' and hes due for a medical next week, it sounds like we are not far away at all.[/quote'] Not sure he is at medical stage, no word back from J Rod at all, its a waiting game!! Dont be surprised to see other clubs match our offer! Still be surprised if he comes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Jay Rod's agent is Ade Akinbiyi??? This surprises me more than the fact we have bid £7 million for Jay Rod. Haha Adi Akinbiyi!! a shocker striker who once cost nearly £5m. Puts the £7m for Jay rod in perspective! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Would rather have Hooper tbh...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 I see Lallana's worth to us (and thus the value which I'd see as an acceptable figure for signing him) as more than what I'd be willing to pay for him, were Lallana a player at some other club. I'd be concerned, say, as a Burnley fan (having just been promoted) if we were to sign Adam Lallana for £8M from Southampton (a Championship club), despite agreeing that his quality is sufficient to improve the side. It's more the fear that the reported fee and associated expectations may both affect the player and the club's future transfer dealings, than thinking that Rodriguez represents a 'bad buy'. Thats a fair appraisal however, what is good value and bad? Torres £50m hardly scored yet one goal got them into the Champions League Final and probably paid all that back with them winning it. If Rodrigues contributes just say 8 goals that keeps us in the division one more season then the revenue more than pays for him. Young English strikers are a premium, we don't know or never will know our transfer budget. I am not sure we ever should either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 For what purpose? Accepting a bid of £7m from Saints isn't going to see other clubs suddenly offer £8m or £9m if they know £7m would be accepted. Once again you seem to be confusing your fantasy computer game world with real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Would rather have Hooper tbh...... Would rather have both tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Once again you seem to be confusing your fantasy computer game world with real life. Why? - the club want and would accept 7m - the choice of where the player then goes is up to personal terms etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrimd Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Not sure he is at medical stage, no word back from J Rod at all, its a waiting game!! Dont be surprised to see other clubs match our offer! Still be surprised if he comes! Pretty sure Jay and his agent have been discussing the contract offered and so the agent would know if it is acceptable. I would be amazed if Jay does not land at Heathrow, get in a car to SMS, jog on a treadmill for a bit and then sign on the dotted line. He is sat by the pool all day at the moment. What else has he got to think about???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 I have to say that the video on here showcasing JayRod's skills is very, very impressive, and I have no doubt of his worth to the team. The bottom line in valuing him is how much we will benefit with JR playing for us against teams that we can realistically expect to beat such as the likes of Norwich, Swansea etc, or if he signed for one of them how much he would strengthen those clubs playing against Saints. Because if he doesn't sign for us he will sign for another Prem club. I know the answer. And so does (almost) everyone. In a way it's like a six-pointer which halves our costs. The price is a sound investment. So let's get it done and then concentrate on strengthening the defence and midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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