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In League One, where he was facing League One markers, with League One flaws. He didn't do it in the Championship because there was no point.

 

I don't argue that he's a decent linkman, he might even be the ideal "false nine" due to his passing and holding up the ball, but that's not the way people get 15 goals in the Prem.

 

Like Rooney you mean? 27 goals wasn't it? Now I know RL ain't Rooney and we ain't Utd but that's a damn sight more than 15 goals for someone playing essentially a number 10.

 

Lambert made plenty of runs down the channels last season. He made 14 assists in the Championship, which put him in third overall. I can remember several that were made from crosses out wide.

 

As for chasing punts upfield for 90mins, that ain't the 'Southampton Way'. We'll either pass it into his feet or straight onto his head as we did for most of last season.

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If Jay Rodriguez does finally sign for us and it is subsequently announced on the club's OS, then I shall burst with excitement. Until then, however, belonging to the more pessimistic trend of Saints followers (despite the last three remarkable years! :D) I shall wait, sort of patiently, hoping that this deal is completed.

 

It is the triumph of hope over experience, you see. :rolleyes:

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Lambert's skillset and aerial ability will be very useful in some games, but I can't see us (for example) sticking him up front against Man U away and expecting him to chase down everything for 90 minutes, whereas I can see Sharp doing exactly that.

 

Please humour me whilst I meander off topic briefly, but reading posts that mention "against Man Utd away" (and suchlike) reminds me of how far we've come in so little time. The phrase "moist with anticipation" springs to mind... :-)

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He was in the team of the year.

Along with some of our players and been a major factor how a skint brum made th playoffs

 

Please humour me whilst I meander off topic briefly, but reading posts that mention "against Man Utd away" (and suchlike) reminds me of how far we've come in so little time. The phrase "moist with anticipation" springs to mind... :-)

 

The 9 u are a complete muppet. Sharp is lazy and there's no way he will be ahead of lambert.

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I see the usual assortment of various bellends, morons and sociopaths have attacked me for daring to suggest the 7m for J-Rod represents the lions share of our transfer budget, and that our real squad issues deserve priority on this budget.

 

I find it quite pathetic that some in these parts are assuming that our spending budget is going to make Roman Abrahmovic green with envy....

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I see the usual assortment of various bellends, morons and sociopaths have attacked me for daring to suggest the 7m for J-Rod represents the lions share of our transfer budget, and that our real squad issues deserve priority on this budget.

 

I find it quite pathetic that some in these parts are assuming that our spending budget is going to make Roman Abrahmovic green with envy....

 

You are also making the assumption that £7m is the majority of the total budget. In reality, none of us know what the budget is. Although spending £7m on one player, to me at least suggests it is quite healthy.

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I see the usual assortment of various bellends, morons and sociopaths have attacked me for daring to suggest the 7m for J-Rod represents the lions share of our transfer budget, and that our real squad issues deserve priority on this budget.

 

I find it quite pathetic that some in these parts are assuming that our spending budget is going to make Roman Abrahmovic green with envy....

 

You are also making the assumption that £7m is the majority of the total budget. In reality, none of us know what the budget is. Although spending £7m on one player, to me at least suggests it is quite healthy.

 

How would any of us know even an approximation of the available transfer kitty? It could be any amount. The Liebherr family arent short of money and Cortese must know we have to strengthen the squad to aim at a top 10 spot, which is his stated aim. And I cant see Jay Rodriguez being the only transfer target of the management.

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I see the usual assortment of various bellends, morons and sociopaths have attacked me for daring to suggest the 7m for J-Rod represents the lions share of our transfer budget, and that our real squad issues deserve priority on this budget.

 

I find it quite pathetic that some in these parts are assuming that our spending budget is going to make Roman Abrahmovic green with envy....

 

Can't see us making Chelsea green with envy with what we spend. And I'm kind of assuming/guessing this is only about 50% of the transfer budget.

 

If we are seeking to spend, say, 80+% of our available funds on J-Rod, this would seem very odd indeed!

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Rodriguez, 22, will get a four-year contract with the Premier League new boys.

Boss Nigel Adkins, who has spent six months battling to sign the striker, said: “We are looking to sign young, talented and promising British players.”

Adkins may also offer a similar sum for Celtic striker Gary Hooper.

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If Jay Rodriguez does finally sign for us and it is subsequently announced on the club's OS, then I shall burst with excitement. Until then, however, belonging to the more pessimistic trend of Saints followers (despite the last three remarkable years! :D) I shall wait, sort of patiently, hoping that this deal is completed. QUOTE]

 

I think you mean ....realistic..don't you?

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I see the usual assortment of various bellends, morons and sociopaths have attacked me for daring to suggest the 7m for J-Rod represents the lions share of our transfer budget, and that our real squad issues deserve priority on this budget.

 

I find it quite pathetic that some in these parts are assuming that our spending budget is going to make Roman Abrahmovic green with envy....

 

I guess it all depends on what our budget realy is and that is what we dot know. If indeed a striker were our only signing, it would signal a naiviety bordering on stupidity, which I guess is why most would presume that 7m is not the lions share... or hope not anyway ;-)

 

Having said that, if you look at sides that struggle in the PL, its those (and this may seem obvious ) that dont score enough goals... (I said it would be obvious ), but what i mean is sides whose foward players just dont get above 8 or 9 for the season. Sure, how the side play, create chnaces and also defend are vital, but you do need players who when you get a chance (which may not come that often) can put it away. I also think we needed to add pace to our attack whether from wide positions or through the middle and think that is why JR would be good addition - Is he worth 7 mil? Is anyone worth that? not sure, but if that's the going rate and we need that kind of player, its at least a positive IMHO that we seem to have that sort of budget available to bring them in.

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I see the usual assortment of various bellends, morons and sociopaths have attacked me

 

As opposed to your own delightfully moderate and polite language...

 

I find it quite pathetic that some in these parts are assuming that our spending budget is going to make Roman Abrahmovic green with envy....

 

Who is "some" as I haven't seen any such statements? Another of your straw man arguments I feel. The people on this thread saying we just don't know what the budget is are near the general consensus, and, as pointed out, it's unlikely that we'd spend 80% of the budget on one player.

 

I suspect he'd be the most expensive, mind, and thankfully remove Delap from his place as our most expensive signing.

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Pretty sure when Nicola was interviewed he intimated that our budget would be significantly enhanced due to being ahead of schedule in the 5 year plan.

 

I am just blown away that we are even talking about Saints spending this amount of money - never thought I'd see it in my lifetime

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Don't forget it was a 5 year plan to get back to the PL and NC said half way through last season that if it was achieved this year then it would free up budgeted funds for years 4 and 5 for other purposes.

 

No idea what we had set-aside for losses trying to get promoted from the Championship in the final 2 years of the plan but we've got to be talking significant figures. Say £5-10million a year (Say £15m for the 2 together)

 

Add that to AOx money and allocate a chunk of the PL TV money and if you wanted you could easily justify £30miliion.

 

Not saying I want us to spend anything like that, and it's not a sum that would make RA envious at Chelsea (God I hate it when posters can't see any ground between black and white), but it is a very decent amount of money.

 

Bottom lines though is no-one knows so you have to trust the guys in charge and their track record isn't bad so far

 

Edit - Blimey on the same wavelength as at least one other poster anyway, Great minds eh?

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Interestingly, I met up with a Derby fan yesterday who I haven't seen for about 6 years. When we got to talking football and agreeing our mutual dislike of a certain Billy Davies, he said that they spent £10m on new players the year they were promoted back to the PL (when they were then relegated with a record low total) and they didn't buy 1 player better than they already had.

 

That to me is the thing to be careful of.

 

I would rather buy one player for the full budget who will improve us than 5 who might

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I see the usual assortment of various bellends, morons and sociopaths have attacked me for daring to suggest the 7m for J-Rod represents the lions share of our transfer budget, and that our real squad issues deserve priority on this budget.

 

I find it quite pathetic that some in these parts are assuming that our spending budget is going to make Roman Abrahmovic green with envy....

 

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha - someone should send this post to Alanis Morissette.

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Whilst people are complaining about 7 million being the 'lions share' of our budget, maybe it's a STATEMENT of intent that we have money to improve the squad and will spend it where necessary.

 

I think it's more likely we will spend around £20 million to improve the squad and also sell a couple of players who were squad rotation (Dean Hammond, Martin, Chaplow, Seabourne, Dickson/Harding).

 

Of course in an ideal world I'd like us to go for bargain buys who turn out to be superb signings, but given how long we've been linked with Jay Rod, there's no doubt we have done extensive scouting on him, on how he would fit into our system and improve the side. Lastly he is 22, a very young age and he hasn't reached his peak years. There's no doubt that if he's as good as his fee suggests then he WILL get better, score goals in the Premiership and have an even bigger sell-on value.

 

I would say we need to get another centre-back, a pacey wide-man, reserve keeper and ball-winning midfielder to compliment Morgan/Cork. The centre-back should be priority because we haven't got anyone apart from possibly Jack Stephens/Aaron Martin in reserve who is capable of playing there. I think Seabourne is going to be finished with us after his injury as well as the fact I think he's a reasonable championship defender but lacks the composure needed to play regularly in the Premiership.

 

I don't want to see Scott Dann/Roger Johnston at Southampton, both had poor seasons last time out and were a bit overrated because they played well at Birmingham together. The best buy I think would be Vasilis Torosidis who has yet to make that move away from Olympiacos, but has played regularly for Greece.

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Out of interest, pretty much everyone on here who has posted their opinions on what players we need have said - CB, right winger, central midfielder, striker.

Is anyone else not concerned with our left/right backs? I personally didn't rate Richardson that much in the championship, let alone Premiership. (I know he got a lot of assists but I just can't get those horrible floaty balls into the box from deep which defenders clean up all day long out of my mind!).

Also I really like Fox, but I know some on here don't and where is our back up for these positions?! I'd rather have Richardson as the back up to someone better and sign someone to compete at least with fox.

 

Opinions?

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Out of interest, pretty much everyone on here who has posted their opinions on what players we need have said - CB, right winger, central midfielder, striker.

Is anyone else not concerned with our left/right backs? I personally didn't rate Richardson that much in the championship, let alone Premiership. (I know he got a lot of assists but I just can't get those horrible floaty balls into the box from deep which defenders clean up all day long out of my mind!).

Also I really like Fox, but I know some on here don't and where is our back up for these positions?! I'd rather have Richardson as the back up to someone better and sign someone to compete at least with fox.

 

Opinions?

 

The did all they could for the situation they / we were in. What else could they have done. I'm not saying either are definitely Prem standard, but neither of them did anything last year to suggest they wont be.

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Out of interest, pretty much everyone on here who has posted their opinions on what players we need have said - CB, right winger, central midfielder, striker.

Is anyone else not concerned with our left/right backs? I personally didn't rate Richardson that much in the championship, let alone Premiership. (I know he got a lot of assists but I just can't get those horrible floaty balls into the box from deep which defenders clean up all day long out of my mind!).

Also I really like Fox, but I know some on here don't and where is our back up for these positions?! I'd rather have Richardson as the back up to someone better and sign someone to compete at least with fox.

 

Opinions?

 

Yes said on other threads I've said I'm concerned by our fullbacks. If we are going to play a similair system to this season (with the fullbacks getting forward to provide balls in to the box) we're asking a lot of our current fullbacks they struggled defensivly this season against skillfull pacy players while trying to get forward as well. I think we need better fullbacks (no I don't have a big list of names) to play the way we did last season. If we change our style of play they might be OK.

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Are they still interested in Deano or is it now just a straight cash deal' date=' do you know?[/quote']

 

Not sure but it was what Howe asked for when we went back in for JR. That was told to me by someone I trust in the 1st place and confirmed by my Burnley mate.

 

All my Burnley oppo added was it was up the the player now.

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He'll be gutted. Finally gets to the PL and then used as a make weight in for a younger model. Makes sense I thought he struggled at times last season so PL is probably asking a bit much.

 

That's realism though - Dean had an excellent start to the season but faded quickly and really struggled to put two consistent performances together after that. Certainly by May despite starting V Coventry he was behind Morgan, Cork and Chaplow in the pecking order and it appears likely we will bring another CM in. Dean is unlikely to get many starting XI chances next season and in his late 20s, may not want to be on the bench when he could be playing every week at NPC level which is still a high level of professional football and anyone who has succeeded there deserves a lot of credit.

 

With regard to J Rod, great signing if we can complete but I hope it doesn't turn out to be a drawn out saga like Matt Piper was (although we dodged a bullet with him joining Sunderland given his injury record!). Good statement of intent and it's noticable how we are being linked with a lot more players in the media since the bid became public knowledge. It puts a marker down for the quality of this summer's recruitment and that we won't be taking on seemingly every discard on big wages that agents bring to us.

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You really take the prize...so Sheringham never made it in the premiership

Lambert is the most skillful player in our squad by a mile.. you don't need pace when your brain is quicker than everyone elses.

 

God forbid.. go watch Saints again and learn

 

Rickie Lambert is no Teddy Sheringham, who played almost his entire career at the top level, won a European Cup and was part of England's most successful team in 40 years. Also, Sheringham is an exception, not the rule. You can count the successful paceless strikers in the Premier League on the fingers of two hands over a 20 year period.

 

As I've already said, you don't need pace but it makes it a damn sight easier when you do have it. Defenders have to defend against you running past them with the ball as well as just holding you up until you pass it or blocking a shot, it makes their job much more difficult. If you've got pace and the striker doesn't have, you know you can recover without getting punished immediately if you make a positional mistake so you can concentrate on stopping the stuff you know they can do.

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Yes said on other threads I've said I'm concerned by our fullbacks. If we are going to play a similair system to this season (with the fullbacks getting forward to provide balls in to the box) we're asking a lot of our current fullbacks they struggled defensivly this season against skillfull pacy players while trying to get forward as well. I think we need better fullbacks (no I don't have a big list of names) to play the way we did last season. If we change our style of play they might be OK.

 

NA has promoted to the first team two of the best prospects in the country in both these positions. I would not be surprised to see Stephens and Shaw get a pretty rapid introduction to premiership football.

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Hammond has played his part, but that's the reality of where we are now. He just isnt great technically - had the occasional really bad game in L1 in terms of passing ability, was exposed a fair bit more in the Championship, so really, the Prem would be a final step too far.

 

Whole-hearted player, hope he gets a decent move.

 

On a related note, Morgan's technique was second to none in the Champo and i'm genuinely excited to see how he performs in the Prem - really think he is going to shine.

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Like Rooney you mean? 27 goals wasn't it? Now I know RL ain't Rooney and we ain't Utd but that's a damn sight more than 15 goals for someone playing essentially a number 10.

 

Lambert made plenty of runs down the channels last season. He made 14 assists in the Championship, which put him in third overall. I can remember several that were made from crosses out wide.

 

As for chasing punts upfield for 90mins, that ain't the 'Southampton Way'. We'll either pass it into his feet or straight onto his head as we did for most of last season.

 

Thanks for proving my point. Lambert isn't Rooney, so he won't score a shedload of goals playing as a false nine OR in the hole as a number 10, because unlike Rooney he doesn't have the pace to link play outside the box AND then get into the box to attack crosses - at least not without our midfield wasting time to allow him to get there, which also allows the defence to reorganise. Precisely the point I'm making. He doesn't have the pace to do both. Rooney can also beat players himself which isn't one of Rickie's strengths - hell, even Gazza couldn't get past people by 1998 because he'd lost his pace to capitalise on the initial dummy and get away from the challenge.

 

At a guess I'd say Lambert's assists are predominantly headed knockdowns.

 

And no, that's not how we play, but I'm not sure we're quite up to keeping possession for 60 minutes at Old Trafford yet.

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The 9 u are a complete muppet. Sharp is lazy and there's no way he will be ahead of lambert.

 

That is a tremendous point Roger, I have now changed my mind and agree with everything you say, as you have supported it with such a strong argument.

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NA has promoted to the first team two of the best prospects in the country in both these positions. I would not be surprised to see Stephens and Shaw get a pretty rapid introduction to premiership football.

 

Sitting them down and watching videos of the top tier of English football from 1993-2007 is one thing, but I don't know how that's going to help them play in the Premier League 5 years later ?

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Rickie Lambert is no Teddy Sheringham, who played almost his entire career at the top level, won a European Cup and was part of England's most successful team in 40 years. Also, Sheringham is an exception, not the rule. You can count the successful paceless strikers in the Premier League on the fingers of two hands over a 20 year period.

He may not be a Teddy Sheringham, but there are definitely a good deal of parallels between Lambert and Peter Crouch. And Crouch doesn't seem to have done too badly at club or international level. And there were at least 3 or 4 strikers in the Premier League in the last season alone who got into double figures of goals and didn't rely on pace as one of their main attributes.

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We should hold onto Hammond and I think we will. Important member of the overall squad. Useful, solid, reliable, back-up for centre mid. Can't see him moving up to Burnley with him and his family so settled down here.

 

Without spending a lor of money there's really not too many players you could list who would definitely be a lot better than Hammond. Plus there is the added benefit that he already fits into the system and his teammates know him inside out. I don't rate him all that much (particularly going forwards) but in the PL he'll be playing even more of a defensive midfielder role than he has done in previous years, and that could well suit his game. I'd prefer to see a decent CM signed, if not Schneiderlin and Cork as the first choice duo, but Hammond could still do a job even as 3rd / 4th choice.

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Sitting them down and watching videos of the top tier of English football from 1993-2007 is one thing, but I don't know how that's going to help them play in the Premier League 5 years later ?

 

No, you are correct, my point is completely invalidated due to misnaming the league we are in. I am just grateful you were intelligent enough to see through it and advise everyone else what I meant.

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He may not be a Teddy Sheringham, but there are definitely a good deal of parallels between Lambert and Peter Crouch. And Crouch doesn't seem to have done too badly at club or international level. And there were at least 3 or 4 strikers in the Premier League in the last season alone who got into double figures of goals and didn't rely on pace as one of their main attributes.

 

Oh come on, Crouch is unique, and we all know his ability to reach headers others just can't get to, and bring down and link high balls which can't be intercepted is a massive part of his game, and one that Lambert doesn't have. And Crouch scored 10 league goals last season in 32 appearances. That's not exactly amazing.

 

Who are the others in this list who can't run past a defender and make their own chances then ? Yakubu's a goal-hanger and I can't really explain his success, but the rest of this list is dripping with fast players... plus Crouch, Grant Holt and Frank Lampard.

 

1 Robin van Persie 30 Arsenal

2 Wayne Rooney 27 Manchester United

3 Sergio Agüero 23 Manchester City

4 Clint Dempsey 17 Fulham

4 Yakubu Aiyegbeni 17 Blackburn Rovers

4 Emmanuel Adebayor 17 Tottenham Hotspur

7 Demba Ba 16 Newcastle United

8 Grant Holt 15 Norwich City

9 Edin Dzeko 14 Manchester City

10 Mario Balotelli 13 Manchester City

10 Pap'ss Cissé 13 Newcastle United

12 Steven Fletcher 12 Wolverhampton Wanderers

12 Danny Graham 12 Swansea City

14 Jermain Defoe 11 Tottenham Hotspur

14 Rafael van der Vaart 11 Tottenham Hotspur

14 Frank Lampard 11 Chelsea

14 Daniel Sturridge 11 Chelsea

14 Luis Suarez 11 Liverpool

19 Javier Hernández 10 Manchester United

19 Peter Crouch 10 Stoke City

19 Peter Odemwingie 10 West Bromwich Albion

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