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...because I can already see from a few of the posts on here that the "wasn't there, taken the commentator's word as gospel" crew are out with their opinions.

 

I should think there are plenty of things that were missed on the radio that are worth noting.

 

For a start, we were fantastic for 90% of that match. Barnsley went minutes at a time without getting a kick, our build up play, possession and the way we moved the ball was exciting, attacking and with purpose - and until about 5 minutes before the sending off only one team was going to win in, and comfortably.

 

I have never in nearly 20 years as a Saints fan seen a performance like it. We were tremendous, had flair, and there was some excellent, exciting play.

 

Just before Chaplow's sending off Barnsley started to get more possession (Vaz Te did well when he got on, hitting some strong shots from the left side of the box after cutting in front of Richardson, and Noble-Lazarus started running at us too). Adkins had the swap planned before the sending off, which at the time looked like a nothing challenge.

 

Chaplow got the ball, whacked it clean up in the air and his follow through caught his opponent on the thigh - he went down clutching his stomach, rolling around, saw the red card and popped straight back up onto his feet. Letter of the law, it might have been seen as reckless by Chaplow, but after committing to winning the ball he had to put his foot down somewhere and the collision was inevitable.

 

More annoying as we repelled wave on wave of Barnsley lobbing the ball into the box in injury time, was the one additional minute that the ref added from absolutely nowhere. I've long been suspicious off "added time" and always set my timer to count it down. When Kelv went down injured there was one minute of added time left. When play resumed there was about 3 seconds of added time left - so the ref could genuinely and reasonably have added that minute on, to give 5 minutes of added time. Yet he played fully 6 minutes - adding another minute for absolutely no reason at all. Worse, when Fonte cleared the ball 5 minutes into (the 4 minutes of ) added time, he had the perfect chance to blow - but chose to carry on for another minute.

 

We defended that 10 minutes of relentless hoofery extremely well - haven't seen the goalline clearance yet but half the ground thought it was in, but let's not let Barnsley's brief spell of hoof-ball desperation and the failure to get a second goal from the numerous near-chances we made without actually getting anyone on the end of the final ball overshadow what was an absolutely sublime passing performance from Saints, who put on absolutely the best Southampton performance I have ever seen, completely dominating in an unprecedented manner.

 

In short, I absolutely loved it.

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The commentators on Solent were saying similar things, so it's nice to have it confirmed from someone on here who was actually there. Always like the "just back from the game" threads.

 

Every time we had the ball it was fantastic to watch. Just brilliant. Slightly worried that we started to fade just before the sending off but Adkins had it in hand with a change pending, and then late on with 10 we stopped passing it and Richardson became "Mr Chippy" to Lambert again, which just led to us giving the ball away too easily. Not keen on De Ridder getting on up front again, but a least he got a spell out wide when Chaplow departed - though hardly in circumstances where he could shine. Nevertheless, a couple of edge of the box touches that gave us another dimension, creating space, again, for that short through ball to the nippy striker we don't yet have. Connolly is close, but he's not going to find that yard at this point in his career even though he looks as sharp as possible, and Barnard just doesn't have that sharpness.

 

Lallana's trickery and effectiveness went to new levels yesterday, every time Cork got the ball under pressure he protected it, moved it and we sprayed it off somewhere else. There was a spell of 30+ passes at one point when Barnsley couldn't get the ball, which ended with us playing a through ball half a yard from Connolly going clean through. Three or four times we played it around and opened up space, and made a solidly defensive Barnsley side who'd got a point at Forest last week look under a ton of pressure. We are one pacy finisher who can get on those through balls (and maybe a little fitness) away... so impressed.

 

Two weird things : Connolly having number 23 on his shorts and 22 on his shirt which caused all kinds of confusion when "23" (which is Ryan Dickson's number) was held up to take him off, and Kelvin wearing a grey shirt in the first half and the lime green shirt in the second...

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I was ****ed and don't remember much of the game but I don't remember it being THAT good.

 

Thought we had decent movement and passing throughout but hardly sublime - final ball was often too overworked. Do recall Guly taking on about three players and then instead of passing, ending up getting tackled.

 

Barnsley did themselves no favours by losing possession all too often by hitting ambitious cross field balls that often went out of play, which made things a bit of a walk in the park.

 

Still a great performance but best performance in 20 years is a bit much?

 

Maybe I should stay sober next time...

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just got back after staying in Sheffield. Very very good display from us. A bit of the how bad are they how good were we? But which ever it was we totally dominated. They did not cause us any problems at all up until the last five minutes. I don't recall Davis having a save to make first half and we could have been 3 or 4 nil up on another day. It reminded me very much of an away game at Boro many years ago when Fabrice Fernandez ran the show and we took the ****. That was at the top level, so technically this first half display might not have been quite as good, but it felt similar. Cork and Lallana were sublime. I'm not sure of it came across in the radio coverage but one move was about 45 passes that finished with Guly missing a header that he should really have tucked away. At that point I think the whole ground were in awe. We kept the ball very well and defensively we gave them nothing. Barnsley will go down IMO.

 

Davis 7 nothing to do really, but whilst his distribution was woeful last week, this week he made the right choices every time and never put is in any trouble at all. I'd put a 10, as his display was spotless, but I guess you have to save the 8-10 range for when he makes great saves.

Richardson 8 I thought he was our MOTM last week, but he was actually better this week. Show great strength and pace and positional play. Good in the air, attacked well, kept the ball, never beaten. You get the idea.

Fonte 10 Tight, strong, hard, quick, composed...dominated.

Seaborne 8 I notice that fans got straight on his back after hesitating slightly (at no real cost) and then putting one into the stand. He's the new whipping boy it seems. But after that very average start he pinged a beautiful diagonal ball, his confidence grew and got better. In the second half he was very tight to his man always. Distribution was good. Last 5 minutes I think I'd of liked that extra height Jaidi offers

Harding 8 Better. I thought he was poor by his standards last week, but after a slightly nervy start he played his usual; strong game linking up well with Adam. Couldn't fault him defensively, and got forward quite well.

Guly 6.5 some nice stuff on the ball, but he over did it a little. He's not a dribbler, but played out wide he's expected to carry the ball a lot more. It's not his game and he doesn't look quite right there. He worked hard, kept an end up, but he doesn't do it for me in that position.

Cork 10 I wasn't overly impressed last week. He was OK, nothing more. Yesterday he was outstanding. Ran the game with Adam and was head and shoulders above anything they had. Ran all day, great touch, lots of turns in tight places, strength and pace. Fantastic display.

Hammond 8 The centre of midfield was ours. Totally run by Hammond and Cork. Cork shined, but Hammond backed him up

Lallana 10 Everything good about the lad was on display. Took the **** but did so in an effective way. Tricks, turns, passes, dribbles, crosses. What a player

Lambert 7 won a lot in the air and worked hard tracking back and across the line. Held the ball up well and lead the line. Not a real threat but no real criticism.

Connelly 7 scored his goal, offered short all the time and decent enough game. He tired though and I'd like to have seen him be on the shoulder of their last defender a bit more. Not his best game, he never gave it away and some of vision was great, but he just lacked that real dynamism and scary pace that might be needed for us to go up. My 175-1 top scorer bet is going well.

 

Chaplow 0 The ball was high, he got the ball, but he made sure he followed through. He knew what he was doing and deserved to go. I thought that at the time and after seeing it once on TV I still think that. Idiot.

de Ridder 7 did well and was a threat. Neat tidy, pacey.

 

Can I offer one negative. Our build up was tremendous. We kept possession fantastically well, but we were just a little one paced up front. Against better sides we won't dominate possession like that so I think we will need some pace to unlock them. De Ridder might offer that, but despite wanting Connelly to play all season to make me richer, I think there is room for a top notch pacey forward.

Happy days though. A real treat for those that travelled up from the south coast.

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I was ****ed and don't remember much of the game but I don't remember it being THAT good.

 

Thought we had decent movement and passing throughout but hardly sublime - final ball was often too overworked. Do recall Guly taking on about three players and then instead of passing, ending up getting tackled.

 

Barnsley did themselves no favours by losing possession all too often by hitting ambitious cross field balls that often went out of play, which made things a bit of a walk in the park.

 

Still a great performance but best performance in 20 years is a bit much?

 

Maybe I should stay sober next time...

 

You missed the 30 successive passes leading to the chorus of "we're taking the p155", then ? Lallana's "rabona" through ball ? Cork dragging back and protecting the ball every single time there was pressure on him ? The brilliantly worked openings ? Absolutely the best performance I've seen - bearing in mind of course it's "only the Championship".

 

I still don't know how we're going to do against the likes of West Ham, Reading and Leicester, but you can only beat the teams in front of you and I thought Barnsley were a pretty competent defensive unit to keep their shape and stop us scoring more, which we would have done on plenty of other occasions.

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just got back after staying in Sheffield. Very very good display from us. A bit of the how bad are they how good were we? But which ever it was we totally dominated. They did not cause us any problems at all up until the last five minutes. I don't recall Davis having a save to make first half and we could have been 3 or 4 nil up on another day. Can I offer one negative. Our build up was tremendous. We kept possession fantastically well, but we were just a little one paced up front. Against better sides we won't dominate possession like that so I think we will need some pace to unlock them. De Ridder might offer that, but despite wanting Connelly to play all season to make me richer, I think there is room for a top notch pacey forward.

Happy days though. A real treat for those that travelled up from the south coast.

 

I said pretty much the same thing about us needing someone to get on the end of the through balls above. I thought Kelvin did all that was asked of him too, one punch at the far post to take it off a striker's head, a save in one of the melees at the end, and confident on crosses. I'd give him an extra point just for getting off the floor to defend the goal in injury time after getting the whack in the head that had him getting treatment.

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You missed the 30 successive passes leading to the chorus of "we're taking the p155", then ? Lallana's "rabona" through ball ? Cork dragging back and protecting the ball every single time there was pressure on him ? The brilliantly worked openings ? Absolutely the best performance I've seen - bearing in mind of course it's "only the Championship".

 

I still don't know how we're going to do against the likes of West Ham, Reading and Leicester, but you can only beat the teams in front of you and I thought Barnsley were a pretty competent defensive unit to keep their shape and stop us scoring more, which we would have done on plenty of other occasions.

 

Yeh, posted something similar on the post-match barnsley thread -pace is a must as our play was crying out for the ball over the top (Connolly tried but got done for offside a few times). Still I thought we were wasteful rather than Barnsley being competent (they gave us acres of space down the flanks and were pretty square at times). Performance reminded me of our 1-0 at Derby in 2008 in terms of our passing and movement - hope that doesn't jinx us....

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Yeh, posted something similar on the post-match barnsley thread -pace is a must as our play was crying out for the ball over the top (Connolly tried but got done for offside a few times). Still I thought we were wasteful rather than Barnsley being competent (they gave us acres of space down the flanks and were pretty square at times). Performance reminded me of our 1-0 at Derby in 2008 in terms of our passing and movement - hope that doesn't jinx us....

 

Not sure it was so much a ball over the top as the balls through their back line we were already probing with but didn't manage to get more than 2 players through on the end of. Lallana thrashed one into the side netting, we marginally overhit 3 or 4 of them - the most pleasing part was that our possession was on loads of occasions so very close to creating a goal.

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I'm with The9 on this one. Most enjoyable day all round. Passing and movement and overall work rate were excellent.

Barnsley crowd were largely silent-I think they were a bit in awe..especially Cork and Lallana.

 

Extremely glad I went !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Only mystery was how we only managed the one-but I don't think we had much luck in front of goal.Another day we would have got 5 or 6...

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Good summary The9, and just as exciting as you make out. Connolly is class and if only his legs were a few years younger... but his brain lacks nothing! If we get anybody young, strong and quick I think it would be Lambert to make way though, good as he has been for us. Still a great back-up though.

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I agree with The9 too - this was a very, very good performance which the scoreline did not reflect. I get the impression too that the club is on a whole new level - different warm up routines and squad spirit being just two diverse reasons why I say this. We really are looking like a class outfit in so many different ways and in the words of our excellent Manager - "everyone's got smiles on their faces"!

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We did knock it around very, very well and Barnsley showed little threat until the last 10mins or so, but we are still lack pace up-front and a cutting edge finish up front -similar to last season at times. As great as 30+ passes are, at times we could do with being a bit more direct.

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We did knock it around very, very well and Barnsley showed little threat until the last 10mins or so, but we are still lack pace up-front and a cutting edge finish up front -similar to last season at times. As great as 30+ passes are, at times we could do with being a bit more direct.

 

I disagree on "more direct", when we do that we give it away too much. I think we've got it spot on keeping possession as much as possible, and we do need someone with the nous AND the spark to make the runs into the space our passes are finding.

 

I also don't think Barnsley are a bad side, they hit long balls because we left them no options to go short in the middle ( until late on).

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Anyone mention the Barnsley programme? Highlight for me was the square bar code - scanned it after 2.30pm and it had the official team sheets. I could always look in the programme for who the oppo players are but I found this really good.

 

Excellent day out - cracking pub/beer, outstanding display from saints, excellent away support as usual. Cracking result

 

Interesting train journey back - was staying at the in-laws near Ashbourne (derbyshire) over the weekend which is unbelieveably handy for all the midlands and northern away games. On the train from Sheffield to Derby I was in a carriage with a couple with a couple of saints fans, a couple of Brentford fans and also some Sheffield utd fans (going home to derby). Then a pile of stevenage fans (3) got on at Chesterfield. I got off at Derby to get the train to Uttoxeter where I met a Reading fan back from Leicester (who lived in uttoxeter).

 

All in all a great day out!!

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From what I remember (which isn't an awful lot - jagers before the game is always a bad idea) we completely took the ****. Lallana is just an incredible talent. I canot get enough of watching him play. Cork and Deano ran the show and they couldnt get close to us. Just look so good as TEAM and the moment. Every one of our team looks like they're just loving to play for the club at the moment and I'm not used to seeing a Southampton side so dominent. Who knows how we'll get on against the better sides, but at the moment we've played 3 games and were completely dominant in every one of them. Was really strange in the last 5 minutes when I actually felt like we might concede after being so comfortable for 85 minutes. Overall great win, cracking performance and onwards and upwards ! WE ARE TOP OF THE LEAGUE!!!

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Anyone mention the Barnsley programme? Highlight for me was the square bar code - scanned it after 2.30pm and it had the official team sheets. I could always look in the programme for who the oppo players are but I found this really good.

 

Excellent day out - cracking pub/beer, outstanding display from saints, excellent away support as usual. Cracking result

 

Interesting train journey back - was staying at the in-laws near Ashbourne (derbyshire) over the weekend which is unbelieveably handy for all the midlands and northern away games. On the train from Sheffield to Derby I was in a carriage with a couple with a couple of saints fans, a couple of Brentford fans and also some Sheffield utd fans (going home to derby). Then a pile of stevenage fans (3) got on at Chesterfield. I got off at Derby to get the train to Uttoxeter where I met a Reading fan back from Leicester (who lived in uttoxeter).

 

All in all a great day out!!

 

Their QR code to get the teamsheets online (which I then screenshotted) was the best thing Barnsley did all day.

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Ok, I have a question for those who were there (or have watched the 96 minutes back) - what did you think of Lambert ?

 

Personally I know he was on the pitch, I know he went close with one free-kick, and won a header just before Connolly scored, and headed another just over, but given the amount of possession we had, and all the passing, was I the only one who thought he was a bit of a passenger with everything going on all around him ?

 

I've already mentioned that I think we need a sharp player to make the kind of curved "last man" runs, that Lambert isn't used as a "target man" as such any more (though Richardson used him as such when we were down to 10, and the ball just came back), and I think, unless I've forgotten all of his linking play, that maybe Cork, Hammond, Guly and Lallana can cope with the ball retention, and what we need is pace in behind, not a target man we don't use as such.

 

I can't justify leaving out Connolly, who definitely WAS heavily involved in getting the ball in dangerous positions and made runs in behind. So... maybe if we sign a "shoulder" player it'll be Lambert who's left out ? Even if we don't sign anyone, De Ridder wide right and Guly up top gives us more creativity and pace than having Lambert there.

 

Anyway, just a few thoughts, it might be that Lambert was involved in everything, but I thought considering all the ball we had that he was pretty quiet.

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Ok, I have a question for those who were there (or have watched the 96 minutes back) - what did you think of Lambert ?

 

Personally I know he was on the pitch, I know he went close with one free-kick, and won a header just before Connolly scored, and headed another just over, but given the amount of possession we had, and all the passing, was I the only one who thought he was a bit of a passenger with everything going on all around him ?

 

I've already mentioned that I think we need a sharp player to make the kind of curved "last man" runs, that Lambert isn't used as a "target man" as such any more (though Richardson used him as such when we were down to 10, and the ball just came back), and I think, unless I've forgotten all of his linking play, that maybe Cork, Hammond, Guly and Lallana can cope with the ball retention, and what we need is pace in behind, not a target man we don't use as such.

 

I can't justify leaving out Connolly, who definitely WAS heavily involved in getting the ball in dangerous positions and made runs in behind. So... maybe if we sign a "shoulder" player it'll be Lambert who's left out ? Even if we don't sign anyone, De Ridder wide right and Guly up top gives us more creativity and pace than having Lambert there.

 

Anyway, just a few thoughts, it might be that Lambert was involved in everything, but I thought considering all the ball we had that he was pretty quiet.

 

I didn't go saturday but what is becoming apprant is we have changed the way we play a fair under Adkins and the team isn't built around RIcky anymore as it was under Pardew. It seems we need someone a bit more mobile up top alongside DC.

 

PS wanna meet for a pint on saturday?

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Ok, I have a question for those who were there (or have watched the 96 minutes back) - what did you think of Lambert ?

 

Personally I know he was on the pitch, I know he went close with one free-kick, and won a header just before Connolly scored, and headed another just over, but given the amount of possession we had, and all the passing, was I the only one who thought he was a bit of a passenger with everything going on all around him ?

 

I've already mentioned that I think we need a sharp player to make the kind of curved "last man" runs, that Lambert isn't used as a "target man" as such any more (though Richardson used him as such when we were down to 10, and the ball just came back), and I think, unless I've forgotten all of his linking play, that maybe Cork, Hammond, Guly and Lallana can cope with the ball retention, and what we need is pace in behind, not a target man we don't use as such.

 

I can't justify leaving out Connolly, who definitely WAS heavily involved in getting the ball in dangerous positions and made runs in behind. So... maybe if we sign a "shoulder" player it'll be Lambert who's left out ? Even if we don't sign anyone, De Ridder wide right and Guly up top gives us more creativity and pace than having Lambert there.

 

Anyway, just a few thoughts, it might be that Lambert was involved in everything, but I thought considering all the ball we had that he was pretty quiet.

 

Yep, would completley agree with that, 100% spot on. The thing is if we're looking for/needing a player that has Lambert's finishing ability AND also has pace, we're going to have to pay big for it.

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I didn't go saturday but what is becoming apprant is we have changed the way we play a fair under Adkins and the team isn't built around RIcky anymore as it was under Pardew. It seems we need someone a bit more mobile up top alongside DC.

 

PS wanna meet for a pint on saturday?

 

despite about 75% going short, we still pinged a fair few balls up to Lambert. He won a lot of those. He also comes back for every defensive set piece. This extra height is not to be underestimated. If anything he needed a bit more pace alongside him not to replace him.

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despite about 75% going short, we still pinged a fair few balls up to Lambert. He won a lot of those. He also comes back for every defensive set piece. This extra height is not to be underestimated. If anything he needed a bit more pace alongside him not to replace him.

 

Something I didn't realise until just now was that Lambert was the player who cleared off the line, so once again he's managed to make a crucial intervention that's gained us points...

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Ok, I have a question for those who were there (or have watched the 96 minutes back) - what did you think of Lambert ?

 

Personally I know he was on the pitch, I know he went close with one free-kick, and won a header just before Connolly scored, and headed another just over, but given the amount of possession we had, and all the passing, was I the only one who thought he was a bit of a passenger with everything going on all around him ?

 

I've already mentioned that I think we need a sharp player to make the kind of curved "last man" runs, that Lambert isn't used as a "target man" as such any more (though Richardson used him as such when we were down to 10, and the ball just came back), and I think, unless I've forgotten all of his linking play, that maybe Cork, Hammond, Guly and Lallana can cope with the ball retention, and what we need is pace in behind, not a target man we don't use as such.

 

I can't justify leaving out Connolly, who definitely WAS heavily involved in getting the ball in dangerous positions and made runs in behind. So... maybe if we sign a "shoulder" player it'll be Lambert who's left out ? Even if we don't sign anyone, De Ridder wide right and Guly up top gives us more creativity and pace than having Lambert there.

 

Anyway, just a few thoughts, it might be that Lambert was involved in everything, but I thought considering all the ball we had that he was pretty quiet.

 

Agree with some of this but its horses for courses - it helped that Barnsley gave us so much time on the ball. As such, one more player that dropped deep rather than playing off the shoulder was a tad predictable. But just look at the Citeh-Swansea game: Swansea, a team that likes to get the ball down and pass, have come under pressure now that the likes of Toure have pushed further up the pitch. Perhaps, they could mix things up more.

 

That's to say, a targetman/more direct style will have a role to play when midfields are congested and our defence is getting closed down. We went direct quite a lot last season, especially away from home. If you think lambert is good in the air (and I think his aerial ability is overrated TBH), he'll continue to be a v.important part of our plans.

 

As I say, horses for courses. Will be interesting if we can get the ball down and play tmrw against a team that is hotly tipped and smarting from a couple of defeats.

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Adkins says it was Lambert on the OS interview. From the other end of the ground through a crowd of approximately 19 players I was unable to tell.

 

I couldn't see the ball for about 30 seconds at that point and had no idea what was going on. Celebrated like it was goal when we finally cleared it.

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Agree with some of this but its horses for courses - it helped that Barnsley gave us so much time on the ball. As such, one more player that dropped deep rather than playing off the shoulder was a tad predictable. But just look at the Citeh-Swansea game: Swansea, a team that likes to get the ball down and pass, have come under pressure now that the likes of Toure have pushed further up the pitch. Perhaps, they could mix things up more.

 

That's to say, a targetman/more direct style will have a role to play when midfields are congested and our defence is getting closed down. We went direct quite a lot last season, especially away from home. If you think lambert is good in the air (and I think his aerial ability is overrated TBH), he'll continue to be a v.important part of our plans.

 

As I say, horses for courses. Will be interesting if we can get the ball down and play tmrw against a team that is hotly tipped and smarting from a couple of defeats.

 

agree that we will need to mix it up. Very few teams, only Swansea really have got out of this league passing it on the deck only all game.

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Just for the record, it was Lambert who cleared the ball off the line - you can see it nicely here (and also the nobber jumping the barrier to celebrate). If you follow him around for a few seconds he EVENTUALLY turns to show his number 7 clearly enough that you can tell it's not a "2".

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFB4weM_co4&feature=player_embedded

 

My favourite thing about this is the ball going out for a corner. You can't claim the ball is over the line when it would have had to have passed through the goalpost or net to go out for a corner if it was already behind the line !

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Just for the record, it was Lambert who cleared the ball off the line - you can see it nicely here (and also the nobber jumping the barrier to celebrate). If you follow him around for a few seconds he EVENTUALLY turns to show his number 7 clearly enough that you can tell it's not a "2".

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFB4weM_co4&feature=player_embedded

 

how awkward did he look when he turned around to see it hadnt gone in! Brilliant 3rd eye moment

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how awkward did he look when he turned around to see it hadnt gone in! Brilliant 3rd eye moment

 

When you look that stupid to begin with I guess you have nothing to lose. What a pillock. Leapt the barrier, spun around, quickly spotted the ball 5 yards from him and 10 from the back of the net going out for a corner, looked back at the thousands of his fellow Barnsley fans stopping celebrating and presumably shaking their heads, and EVEN THEN still did another celebratory spin with his arms in the air.

 

:D

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