Big John Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 i used to enjoy (actually enjoy) listeneing to him on the 'moral maze' on radio foir. he has, in my opinion, promoted himself to the echelons of genuine social spokesman of this generation. he is an ass. perhaps due to his vocal tone being very 'bbc' he is viewed as a knowledgeable, wise man. he is not, he is merely a voice of the typical outraged englishman [psic]. i read a quote once that said that there is nought so amusing as an outraged englishman [sic] and how right that is, he is funny...but not in an amusing way. he peddles his soundbites and lives off of his faux working class boy done good status which his parents would abhor, i bet they are turning in their graves, his mum a cotton weaver, his dad an engineer. ahut up atarkey, shut up and let someone else who knows what they are talking about speak. ggggrrrrr.... take away this racist man's credentials and Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 i used to enjoy (actually enjoy) listeneing to him on the 'moral maze' on radio foir. he has, in my opinion, promoted himself to the echelons of genuine social spokesman of this generation. he is an ass. perhaps due to his vocal tone being very 'bbc' he is viewed as a knowledgeable, wise man. he is not, he is merely a voice of the typical outraged englishman [psic]. i read a quote once that said that there is nought so amusing as an outraged englishman [sic] and how right that is, he is funny...but not in an amusing way. he peddles his soundbites and lives off of his faux working class boy done good status which his parents would abhor, i bet they are turning in their graves, his mum a cotton weaver, his dad an engineer. ahut up atarkey, shut up and let someone else who knows what they are talking about speak. ggggrrrrr.... take away this racist man's credentials and Always thought he was a bit of a prat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Totally agree. When he sticks purely to history he can be pretty good but mistakes interest in the history he talks about for interest in him. when he gets carried away he becomes an arrogant arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Starkey is 100% pure unmitigated tw*t. His modus operandi is to antagonise while avoiding any sensible debate, and to shout down anybody near him who has the temerity to speak in his presence. I find it hard to genuinely dislike anybody, but david starkey makes the list with room to spare. Prat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 I thought everything he said was spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 I thought everything he said was spot on. Everything he said when? All I remember on the moral maze was michael buerk having to tell him to stfu every three minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 (edited) Everything he said when? All I remember on the moral maze was michael buerk having to tell him to stfu every three minutes. On Newsnight tonight he was spot on. I was refering to what he said tonight. Brilliant to hear someone speaking the truth. He even talked about the rivers of blood speech but gave the opinion that Powell was slightly wrong. He talked about the problem being black culture (which some white kids copy) and blamed the rioting on this. When he read the text out from the girl who carried the olympic torch which was written in black speak it illustrated the point perfectly. Edited 12 August, 2011 by dune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 (edited) The left wing loons aren't happy.... If he goes anywhere near a place with a large black population within the next few weeks, he won't live five minutes. It will make those riots look mild. He seemed to be saying all black culture is inevitably bad - that a black person, in order to be successful, must, in effect, become white (and he gave the example of David Lammy, Tottenham's MP.) Will he ever be allowed on The Moral Maze after this? I bet even the BNP will think he went a bit over the top. http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/david-starkey-on-newsnight.279230/ Edited 12 August, 2011 by dune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Starky "substantial sections of the white youth have become black". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Did he not once cry on live TV when someone had the temerity to dis disabled people, making a song and dance about his own club foot and having had polio? Like he is a spokesman for disenfrachised disabled people across the world. Patronising fool, stick to the Tudors Starkey. I actually find him mesmeric in the sense that I want to switch channels but want to listen to him at the same time. Maybe that's the drawe. Dune, stop it please, he didn;t actually say anything and you know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Did he not once cry on live TV when someone had the temerity to dis disabled people, making a song and dance about his own club foot and having had polio? Like he is a spokesman for disenfrachised disabled people across the world. Patronising fool, stick to the Tudors Starkey. I actually find him mesmeric in the sense that I want to switch channels but want to listen to him at the same time. Maybe that's the drawe. Dune, stop it please, he didn;t actually say anything and you know it. He's just been on 5 Live and said it. Turn it on now - they are still talking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Starkey "A jamaican partois that has intruded into britain and turned us into a foreign country" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 If I say 'yeah but no but' does that make me a west country yokel? Does that make me anything other than a mimic? Does that mean anything of any relevance to Society whatsoever? Are you (dune) seriously putting Starkey on a pedestal? Please tell me that you are not. History is to be learnt from, it serves no other purpose, it can't. Damn you dune. I was trying to save five quid and seeing if I could manage on 3 posts pd. There's a ****ing recesion on you little tinker. btw, we ARE a foreign country, and long may that continue. In other news, where are those pesky travellers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Are you (dune) seriously putting Starkey on a pedestal? Yes. It was really refreshing to hear someone speaking the truth on the news. Throughout all the looting and riots no-one has dared say it like it is and he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Yes. It was really refreshing to hear someone speaking the truth on the news. Throughout all the looting and riots no-one has dared say it like it is and he has. You feel refreshed by this? Seriously? If you get your sorry arse down St Mary's tonight which side will you be on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 You feel refreshed by this? Seriously? Of course I do. What David said is what many many people think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 You're actially saying that there were riots in Kingston Town recently, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Of course I do. What David said is what many many people think. Doesn't make them right though, does it. Starkey must be creamimg his genes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Doesn't make them right though, does it. Nor does it make them wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 He's like a male version of ann widdecombe. Make your point, then talk over anyone who disagrees. I find them both intensely annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 I met Anne Widdecombe once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Nor does it make them wrong. I'm afraid it does though mate. You know I is right innit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 My Grandson speaks Patwa (sp) fluently, he is 11 yo and lives in a severely deprived area of the Medway Towns but was safely tucked up in bed when all this **** was going down. That's what he telled me anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 I'm afraid it does though mate. You know I is right innit. One begs to differ. According to 5Live the video and audio from 5 Live (which is better/worse depending on your views...) will be up ahortly. The Liberal Elite on here are gonna combust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 One begs to differ. According to 5Live the video and audio from 5 Live (which is better/worse depending on your views...) will be up ahortly. da Liberal Elite on here are gonna combust innit. fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 He's like a male version of ann widdecombe. Make your point, then talk over anyone who disagrees. I find them both intensely annoying. Anne writes for the Express so needless to say I like her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 There's no fool like an old fool dune, you havea great future to look forward to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 (edited) His History programmes are brilliant. He is engaging and knowledgeable. However, he is a typical little England racist man. Oh and before anyone starts shouting that I am a 'liberal elite' who wants to silence anyone who doesn't share my views, you are ridiculous. Of course he should be able to air his views, but that doesn't mean we can't refute them sternly. That's one of the cornerstones of Liberalism. Edited 13 August, 2011 by Saintandy666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 He's like a male version of ann widdecombe. Make your point, then talk over anyone who disagrees. I find them both intensely annoying. I could name a few of those on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 Could someone tell me how to become part of the liberal elite? I have been trying for ages and can't get to elite level (old bbc micro joke). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLKEhO8LCMQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLKEhO8LCMQ He's right. Look at this white person who has been given a lot of coverage on the BBC in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 His History programmes are brilliant. He is engaging and knowledgeable. However, he is a typical little England racist man. Oh and before anyone starts shouting that I am a 'liberal elite' who wants to silence anyone who doesn't share my views, you are ridiculous. Of course he should be able to air his views, but that doesn't mean we can't refute them sternly. That's one of the cornerstones of Liberalism. Totally agree with this. He is a snobby little man who seems to think hes better than most,because hes taught himself to speak posh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 Totally agree with this. He is a snobby little man who seems to think hes better than most,because hes taught himself to speak posh. OK so you don't like his accent or superior tone, but you have failed to say you disagree with his words. Are we to read anything into this omission? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 (edited) OK so you don't like his accent or superior tone, but you have failed to say you disagree with his words. Are we to read anything into this omission? Actually Dune if he wants to talk posh,then thats his choice.I just hate the fact he seems to think this gives him the right to take the moral high ground. The man is totally out of touch with the real world. He took part in a programme recently where he tried to teach a group of inner city kids(from London i think) and because he totally lost the classroom,he picked on a kid,who he called fat and lazy.He had no idea whatsoever how to converse with people.In fact he was so bad,he was asked to leave the classroom. But saying all that,he did do a rather brillant programme on the history of London. Edited 13 August, 2011 by rocknrollman no2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 There IS a carefully articulated argument to made about particular black youth subcultures and their popularity across ethnic lines, which leads to the kind of symptomatic text that Starkey read out from the athlete who was convicted of looting. And actually it's an argument taking place within black communities in the US. Starkey unfortunately was oafishly clumsy, mixing in references to the 'rivers of blood' with overly broad - and racist - equations of black=equals bad (even if you're white and white=good (even if you're black). I say 'unfortunately' - because his clumsiness has now closed off discussion of cultures in mainstream debate about the underlying causes (and there were many) of the riots and the looting (which in my view should be treated separately). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 Could someone tell me how to become part of the liberal elite? I have been trying for ages and can't get to elite level (old bbc micro joke). There are seven levels. I see from my files that you are level one. It's a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 There are seven levels. I see from my files that you are level one. It's a start. It's not fair. In right wing elite you can just bribe your way up the levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 The man is totally out of touch with the real world. What he said goes completely against the politically correct left wing world, but this world isn't reality, it's a render plastered over reality. British society is falling apart and the only thing keeping it up is a thin and cracking left wing pebble dash concealing a shoddy building. I see David Starkeys honest analysis like a surveyor who looks behind the facade and reports on the real structural condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 IMO the man is an arrogant prat ! No wonder Ringo has disowned him ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 MOST OF the unfortunate people who rioted are what I consider to be the collateral damage of society and its values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 MOST OF the unfortunate people who rioted are what I consider to be the collateral damage of society and its values. This is too simplistic. The hoody socity and the country set society are different societies for example. There are myriad different societies in our country, some are different because of class, some because of material wealth, some because of religion, some because of culture, or poor parenting etc etc. What David starky basically opined is that a west indian gangsta culture (rap music, speaking/writing in a black gansta way, the clothes, the gang mentality) is fashionable not only with black kids, but with white kids who think it's cool to be like this. He called these youths "black whites" on radio 5 and although not the most PC of terms it illustrated his point. He asserted that it was this culture that is behind many inner city problems and that it was this culture of people that were behind the looting and riots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 Let's see if I can put it another way Dune. One of the judges when trying a hoody () said to the offender that said offender should sort his life out and it got me thinking. The judge would have been born into an upper middle class family, been educated at the best schools etc and entered a profession where at a key time.....you need to have a leg up based on who you know...this is why the world of judges is a essentially a closed shop, very few if any black, women etc etc. Said offender (I am generalising here, but keeping it simple for you Dune) was most probably born into a broken family and raised in a broken home, broken education and so on.... where it is almost impossible to break out of. Everything is stacked against such a person in the same way that everything is stacked in favour of a person raised with a background similar to that of the judge's. I was once in this trap so I can speak from experience here. The gangs become your family when there is not much of afamily at home....I also remember those days too. Diane Abbott was right to say that black culture should not encapsulated by a rioter's life style, for one thing, not all rioters are black and another some blacks do get on in life. The clothes used to come from economic necessity, the ill fitting trousers were hand me downs from older siblings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 This is too simplistic. The hoody socity and the country set society are different societies for example. There are myriad different societies in our country, some are different because of class, some because of material wealth, some because of religion, some because of culture, or poor parenting etc etc. What David starky basically opined is that a west indian gangsta culture (rap music, speaking/writing in a black gansta way, the clothes, the gang mentality) is fashionable not only with black kids, but with white kids who think it's cool to be like this. He called these youths "black whites" on radio 5 and although not the most PC of terms it illustrated his point. He asserted that it was this culture that is behind many inner city problems and that it was this culture of people that were behind the looting and riots. Yeah, and England never had inner city criminals before Jamaicans arrived Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 It's not fair. In right wing elite you can just bribe your way up the levels. I think this realisation in itself should see you promoted to level 2 imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 Yeah, and England never had inner city criminals before Jamaicans arrived I had an aunty and uncle who owned a garage in the east end (I can find out the exact area if you want) and the Krays used to fill up there. They said they were very polite young men and always paid their account on time. In reality we know they were evil people, but the difference between them and todays gangs is that there was a code of respect for ordinary people that didn't infringe on their areas of "business". No way would you see pensioners mugged etc when they controlled the streets. The gangs today are feral and have no criminal code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 This is too simplistic. The hoody socity and the country set society are different societies for example. There are myriad different societies in our country, some are different because of class, some because of material wealth, some because of religion, some because of culture, or poor parenting etc etc. What David starky basically opined is that a west indian gangsta culture (rap music, speaking/writing in a black gansta way, the clothes, the gang mentality) is fashionable not only with black kids, but with white kids who think it's cool to be like this. He called these youths "black whites" on radio 5 and although not the most PC of terms it illustrated his point. He asserted that it was this culture that is behind many inner city problems and that it was this culture of people that were behind the looting and riots. Wiggas, to give them their common name. Usually estate rats who grow up in an around the prevalent culture which is black. Outside London and small parts of the major cities you don't see them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 I do enjoy watching Starkey on Question Time, he does talk some sense. But sometimes he does talk a load of c*ck. He's not particularly wrong about the black culture thing but it doesn't have anything to do with the rioting IMO. The rioting was by chav sc*mbags, there just happens to be alot of blacks living in these scummy areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 He was saying that the way some people speak determines their guilt I believe. He'd make a great juror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 14 August, 2011 Share Posted 14 August, 2011 David Irving mk.II - disgraceful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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