FalkirkSaint Posted 11 August, 2011 Share Posted 11 August, 2011 Why would you drop Lambert? Because Connolly is better and in better form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 11 August, 2011 Share Posted 11 August, 2011 Because Connolly is better and in better form? Lambert has been superb in the opening games. Also I don't see Connolly being able to hold up the ball or win the headers like RL can! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 11 August, 2011 Share Posted 11 August, 2011 Because Connolly is better and in better form? You are joking? Rickie is bloomin awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 11 August, 2011 Share Posted 11 August, 2011 I hope people remain realistic when we only manage a bore draw or heaven forbid a defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 11 August, 2011 Share Posted 11 August, 2011 I hope people remain realistic when we only manage a bore draw or heaven forbid a defeat. What a ridiculous idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 11 August, 2011 Share Posted 11 August, 2011 I think we're going to win this one 2-0. We're on the crest of a wave at the moment and I can't see it stopping anytime soon. I think there will be changes to the team, I don't agree with all this 'don't change a winning team' stuff, because different players suit different situations, and Barnsley away is very different to Leeds at home! I reckon Chaplow's performances in the last couple of games have earned a starting spot over Guly, and I think he'll be more effective in this particular situation. I'd like to see: Davis Richardson - Fonte - Martin - Harding Chaplow - Hammond - Cork - Lallana Lambert - Connolly Bench: Bart, Seaborne, Morgan, De Ridder, Barnard/Guly (wow it really is hard to pick only 5 subs isn't it?) How long has Chaplow been a right winger? Has he morphed over night? Good player who deserves to play as much as possible - where he is best suited............You'll be suggesting he deserves to play in goal next! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 7 of Barnsley's first team ( v Forest) played in the defeat to Morecambe - good sign? 11/8 for Saints win looks very tempting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 The Saints of old would beat the likes of Leeds one weekend and then lose to the likes of Barnsley the next. The question is....will tmorrow be a blast from the past or a continuation of the brave new world...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Pretty sure Chaplow played on the right of 4 midfielders against Leeds, with De Ridder up top with Rickie. Absolutely he did, and I'm surprised Lambert's withdrawn role all match long hasn't prompted more discussion - he's playing a completely different role to the target man who occasionally dropped deep that he was last season, presumably the idea being to get Lallana and De Ridder/Guly bombing on from out wide as Lambert in the hole drops deep and creates space for the midfield runners to exploit. Certainly worked against Leeds for Lallana and to an extent Connolly's goals, and I'll be giving him more leeway for his lack of scoring exploits this season as a result. Difficult to score from 30 yards from the goal. The only downside of that game for me was to see De Ridder not in his preferred position getting the crap booted out of him whilst facing his own goal, but as Chaplow was supporting Richardson against Gradel, who was the only Leeds player offering a threat, I wasn't going to have too much of a problem with it. One thing's for sure, if we go with a narrow midfield like we did against Rochdale (and Leyton Orient a few days before) towards the end of last season, their manager will have someone who can exploit the space, just as they did last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Barnsley have not won a league game all season and lost to Morcombe at home this week. I predict a riot................ 3-0 Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Why are people putting Chaplow on the right of midfield in a 442 ahead of natural players in that position? Adkins' back-up tactics to the traditional 442 are a 4411 and 41212 (could also be called a 442 Diamond). For example... - Late on in the Leeds United game he switched to a 4411, with De Ridder as the striker and Lambert playing behind him. - When Lallana came on in the Torquay game they switched to 41212 with Lallana behind the two strikers, Schneiderlin sitting in-front of the centre backs and Hammond and Chaplow in-front of Schniederlin playing and playing narrow (allowing the full backs to provide the width). Also I would say Seaborne is probably still ahead of Martin in the pecking order and now as he is fit he will partner Fonte. The Leeds United game also suggests Richardson is the preferred right back, so I don't expect to see Butterfield start on Saturday. Having seen Seabourne against Torquay on Tuesday night I will be a little surprised if he starts ahead of Aaron Martin, particularly as AM played pretty well alongside Fonte against Leeds. I suppose it depends what NA sees in training and how important he thinks having a natural left-footer playing there is so we will see come Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 That was a nasty fall Fonte had in the Leeds game....I'm just hoping he was only "rested" against Torquay rather than injured, but Saints play their cards close to their chest these days, so I'm not expecting any info from them before the game. My money is on a 1-1 if he plays.....not confident we'll get anything out of it if he doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Absolutely he did, and I'm surprised Lambert's withdrawn role all match long hasn't prompted more discussion - he's playing a completely different role to the target man who occasionally dropped deep that he was last season, presumably the idea being to get Lallana and De Ridder/Guly bombing on from out wide as Lambert in the hole drops deep and creates space for the midfield runners to exploit. Certainly worked against Leeds for Lallana and to an extent Connolly's goals, and I'll be giving him more leeway for his lack of scoring exploits this season as a result. Difficult to score from 30 yards from the goal. Let me start by disqualifying myself from the discussion as I do not see entire games, only highlights from Saints Player. But it seems to me that the above statement was true last season also, meaning that the reason he scored fewer goals last 10/11 than in 09/10 was that he was playing deeper (and at times, wider!). From the highlights it seemed a recurring sequence that Lambert dropped deep, spotted the runners, and made the pass - always eerily precise... So to me he is just continuing that development - the big change in Rickie's role happened last season. All IMHO. Without seeing entire games. Etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Let me start by disqualifying myself from the discussion as I do not see entire games, only highlights from Saints Player. But it seems to me that the above statement was true last season also, meaning that the reason he scored fewer goals last 10/11 than in 09/10 was that he was playing deeper (and at times, wider!). From the highlights it seemed a recurring sequence that Lambert dropped deep, spotted the runners, and made the pass - always eerily precise... So to me he is just continuing that development - the big change in Rickie's role happened last season. All IMHO. Without seeing entire games. Etc. Well, I was slagging him off for not getting in the box enough last season so it's possible , but I think there's been a shift in his role (based only on watching us against Leeds and highlights of Torquay) because last season he was holding positions in line with the defensive line to win headers from open play, whilst this season - so far - our build-up has been a lot less airborne in the opposing half so he's dropped deep without expecting to have to win the ball in the air. I think much of it is down to what Richardson has been asked to do, last year he would always chip one at Rickie, this season (inc his impressive pre-season) he pushes forward himself and exchanges passes with Lallana / Guly / De Ridder which brings Lambert in as a ground-based creator - though Lambert was in the hole sometimes last season I think there's a conscious decision to keep it low into the attacking third now and the space he leaves is being filled by the wide men centrally to finish it themselves, whilst last season when he came deep it was to hit a wide ball to them for a cross. It might vary based on the defences we're facing, but it was noticeable on the Torquay highlights that we had midfielders ahead of Lambert (attacking the box not the touchline) almost every chance we made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Well, I was slagging him off for not getting in the box enough last season so it's possible , but I think there's been a shift in his role (based only on watching us against Leeds and highlights of Torquay) because last season he was holding positions in line with the defensive line to win headers from open play, whilst this season - so far - our build-up has been a lot less airborne in the opposing half so he's dropped deep without expecting to have to win the ball in the air. I think much of it is down to what Richardson has been asked to do, last year he would always chip one at Rickie, this season (inc his impressive pre-season) he pushes forward himself and exchanges passes with Lallana / Guly / De Ridder which brings Lambert in as a ground-based creator - though Lambert was in the hole sometimes last season I think there's a conscious decision to keep it low into the attacking third now and the space he leaves is being filled by the wide men centrally to finish it themselves, whilst last season when he came deep it was to hit a wide ball to them for a cross. It might vary based on the defences we're facing, but it was noticeable on the Torquay highlights that we had midfielders ahead of Lambert (attacking the box not the touchline) almost every chance we made. I like this description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Completely agree, The9. Rickie's not only taking on a different role but flourishing there, in my opinion - his pass for Lallana's goal against Leeds got me all sorts of excited. Intelligent footballing brain, great confidence when holding and distributing the ball, quality set pieces... granted this is an extremely hyperbolic statement, but are his attributes starting to remind anybody else of a certain club legend? Obviously not on anything like the same level, but... It frustrates me immensely when people berate Rickie's perceived lack of effort (normally hear this bullsh*t from the stands). How many goals did he create by tracking and closing down last season? A fair few - our first against Bournemouth away comes to mind. I'd say that he and Connolly have a potentially great partnership in the making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Completely agree, The9. Rickie's not only taking on a different role but flourishing there, in my opinion - his pass for Lallana's goal against Leeds got me all sorts of excited. Intelligent footballing brain, great confidence when holding and distributing the ball, quality set pieces... granted this is an extremely hyperbolic statement, but are his attributes starting to remind anybody else of a certain club legend? Obviously not on anything like the same level, but... It frustrates me immensely when people berate Rickie's perceived lack of effort (normally hear this bullsh*t from the stands). How many goals did he create by tracking and closing down last season? A fair few - our first against Bournemouth away comes to mind. I'd say that he and Connolly have a potentially great partnership in the making. Hah, well you agreed with the last comment, you probably won't like me pointing out that Lambert basically did sod all in that AFCB match that wasn't on the highlights. The pressurising the defender was the only time he ran to do that all game, and his free-kick and pass to Barnard were two of the few other occasions he was instrumental that day. Mostly the game passed him by - but I guess if you're going to minimise effort you may as well maximise your return on it ! Does anyone remember my screen grab of the acres of space he could have put his pass into to Barnard for the 3rd ? As a lazy, past it centre-forward myself I recognise the shift in his game all too well. Mine coincided with ruining my knee and us signing a fast young bloke to go in for the chances I used to run for. So instead of scoring those goals, I was assisting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 I'm just enjoying every game as it comes at the moment, I don't think a loss would dampen our spirits at the moment, but the way we're playing we get the feeling we can beat anyone on our day. As people have said, Barnsley away will be an interesting test, but how satisfying would it be to see our name on the top of the table for a week or so... Will we start Fox? We should do, but with Harding and Dickson in tow, it's a selection dilemma I wouldn't want. It'll be interesting to see how Adkins handles the multitude of talent he has at his disposal. As for this game, I think we'll beat Barnsley in a fairly tight 2-0 win. (But a draw would be no disgrace.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Hah, well you agreed with the last comment, you probably won't like me pointing out that Lambert basically did sod all in that AFCB match that wasn't on the highlights. The pressurising the defender was the only time he ran to do that all game, and his free-kick and pass to Barnard were two of the few other occasions he was instrumental that day. Mostly the game passed him by - but I guess if you're going to minimise effort you may as well maximise your return on it ! Fair enough, I must admit I only had the highlights to go on in that Bournemouth game. As you say though, if you're going to take a lower-key role in the team, you have to make your contributions count and often he does. In a round about way that's what I was trying to get at - glossing over his misgivings, he brings an awful lot to our attack even if it's not constantly evident. It's incredibly early in the season of course, but the fact that he's sitting deeper has so far meant that we appear to be lumping it up to him less often, forcing us to play the fast, efficient ground passes that I think are one of this squad's biggest strengths.. His fits and bursts of activity certainly don't hurt either! As a lazy, past it centre-forward myself I recognise the shift in his game all too well. Mine coincided with ruining my knee and us signing a fast young bloke to go in for the chances I used to run for. So instead of scoring those goals, I was assisting them. Quite, it could be similar. His fitness and physique have taken a turn for the better in the past 12 months though which makes me think it might be coaching or self-discipline that have brought about the changes in playing style rather than age or decreasing ability. It could be argued that he's a better footballer now than when we signed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Didn't know where to post this, but I see Chris Lines signed for Wednesday from Bristol Rovers today. Weren't we after him for something like a £1million just two years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 didnt the barnsley manager inflict our last league defeat.....away to rochdale...???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 This will be a tough game and a real test. Win this and i will be very impressed. Think we will lose this one 2-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 This will be a tough game and a real test. Win this and i will be very impressed. Think we will lose this one 2-0 whats wrong with you...what dont you rate about saints at the mo...if you are indeed, serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Shertainly Shope we doeshn't get the 'tater from Tueshday night. Sheesh he shounded worshe than lishening to a Dutchie. AND he thought Bart was Portugese. feck me the GF nearly smashed my laptop in anger at that one. Bring back Lawrence or Chris on Saints player please Solent. Yes I fully understand you have to bring on new talent, but send them to do the Poopey games, nobody ever listens to those commentaries, all their fans are at their matches. Same side as Saturday but maybe get Deer Rider on earlier please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 whats wrong with you...what dont you rate about saints at the mo...if you are indeed, serious Don't think we travel well. Barnsley a tough little ground to go to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 BTW, If I am proved wrong and we win, I will be delighted !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 BTW, If I am proved wrong and we win, I will be delighted !!!! and generally give it a rest...???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Don't think we travel well. Based on what exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Mabes Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Didn't know where to post this, but I see Chris Lines signed for Wednesday from Bristol Rovers today. Weren't we after him for something like a £1million just two years ago? Yeah I seem to remember that. Was it even that long ago? In hindsight good that we didn't bother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 We will have to battle & break them down but 2-0 Saints for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalkirkSaint Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Based on what exactly? Last season's Northern games: Huddersfield Away : Lost 2-0 Carlisle Away : Lost 3-2 Tranmere Away : Lost 2-0 Hartlepool Away : Drew 0-0 Walsall Away : Lost 1-0 Rochdale Away : Lost 2-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 Yeah I seem to remember that. Was it even that long ago? In hindsight good that we didn't bother! Well the transfer fee quoted today, and the main point of my post I forgot to include, is the transfer is quoted as 50k. I bet Rovers wish they'd sold him to us now, is we were indeed after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 12 August, 2011 Share Posted 12 August, 2011 (edited) Last season's Northern games: Huddersfield Away : Lost 2-0 Carlisle Away : Lost 3-2 Tranmere Away : Lost 2-0 Hartlepool Away : Drew 0-0 Walsall Away : Lost 1-0 Rochdale Away : Lost 2-0 Pretty sure Oldham, Nottingham and Sheffield are in the North. Edited 12 August, 2011 by Lighthouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 Pretty sure Oldham, Nottingham and Sheffield are in the North. And Dagenham, Orient, Brentford and Colchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 Last season's Northern games: Huddersfield Away : Lost 2-0 Carlisle Away : Lost 3-2 Tranmere Away : Lost 2-0 Hartlepool Away : Drew 0-0 Walsall Away : Lost 1-0 Rochdale Away : Lost 2-0 One of the daftest posts ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 One of the daftest posts ever. Not really. Its a fair enough observation. 5 of the 7 games we lost last season were against northern teams, even though there were fewer northern teams (9) than southern ones (14) in L1. For me, I define the north as starting from the midlands (Walsall, Notts County, Oldham, Sheffield, Huddersfield, Carlisle, Rochdale, Hartlepool, Tranmere), so you might quibble with that. Of course, there may be other factors that account for this pattern i.e. quality of the opposition (the aforementioned northern teams were better than the southern ones - it is notable that all four relegated teams were southern) or the time of the season we played them (we played the northern teams towards the start of the season when we were sh*t, though that's not really the case - Rochdale being the perfect example). Nonetheless it is a useful point to raise - and certainly not daft to make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPY Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 ---------------Davis---------------- Richardson-Fonte--Martin----Harding De Ridder-Hammond-Chaplow-Lallana -----------Guly----Lambert--------- Subs Bart Fox Cork Schneiderlin Connolly Think that team should have enough about it to get the win, whilst saving DC, DF and JC to have a real go at Ipswich on tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 Has to be the same team that beat Leeds, success breeds confidence, beat Barnsley and they will be right up for it at Ipswich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 I see us winning and pushing on at the top of the league. People have underestimated us pre-season, press, pundits, even our own fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 Davis. Richardson, Fonte, Seaborne, Harding. Guly, Cork, Hammond©, Lallana. Connolly, Lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintj Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 Bialkowski, Schneiderlin, Chaplow, Martin and De Ridder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 Subs: Bialkowski, Schneiderlin, Chaplow, Martin, De Ridder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 To say I am surprised that Seabourne is playing is an understatement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 We really need a new CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 Bit too early for Martin to be playing away? Doble starts for Bournemouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 We really need a new CB. We really do yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 Odd that there's no sign of Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 Why is seaborne playing? Gilt isn't effective on right either. Oh well, Adkins knows what he's doing. Come on you Saints!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 Odd that there's no sign of Fox. Not really. Played 120 minutes Tuesday night, drove down here Wednesday so i suspect he has had one maybe two training sessions with us only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 13 August, 2011 Share Posted 13 August, 2011 Is Jaidi injured?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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