St.Patrik Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 http://www.fulhamchronicle.co.uk/london-sport/london-qpr/2011/08/10/qpr-priced-out-of-move-for-southampton-winger-82029-29211484/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Mabes Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 No idea of QPR's money situation at the mo, but if he's good enough to be wanted by a newly promoted Prem side, he's good enough to be worth a million. I think he's worth a million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 Thank god for that, great news for me! Shouldnt have tried to play hard ball with the stingiest owners in the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 No idea of QPR's money situation at the mo, but if he's good enough to be wanted by a newly promoted Prem side, he's good enough to be worth a million. I think he's worth a million. No doubt; the problem is that QPR don't seem to have a spare million to spend. Not in cash anyway; which may suggest that Gorkss in p/x is also off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed demon Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 Just proves though whether you agree with him or not, Cortese won't **** about. Think how tempting it maybe to lower the fee just to get rid which he could easily do but no, he will get the right money or he doesn't go. I personally really like that and support him in decisions even though some will no doubt be questionable. It is good to have SFC put first and not having our pants down by a stropping player and a tight club who won't pay the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Bald_Si Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 Doesn't shock me, Warnock was moaning a while ago about how much he'd been given to spend on new players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 Thank god for that, great news for me! Shouldnt have tried to play hard ball with the stingiest owners in the PL. Cant blame you for not wanting Puncheon / wanting to keep Gorkss, but I am pretty sure that the minimum TV / PL money your owners will get this year is £32m, and thats if you finish last. Which you might do if you dont strengthen more, with all due respect. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 Only problem is, that we don't want to keep him. So he's just collecting wages for not doing anything for us. Likelihood is that he'll either go out on loan until his contract is up and leaves on a free, or someone picking him up on the cheap at the end of the transfer window. I can't see what we'd be getting out of keeping him, apart from teaching him a lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 Only problem is, that we don't want to keep him. So he's just collecting wages for not doing anything for us. Likelihood is that he'll either go out on loan until his contract is up and leaves on a free, or someone picking him up on the cheap at the end of the transfer window. I can't see what we'd be getting out of keeping him, apart from teaching him a lesson. Agreed. If it means we do not get a much needed CB, then it is a stupid idea. Get rid of Puncheon, even if it means selling him cheap, he is a liability ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 I'm sure we will get rid of him. But if QPR are taking the p*ss then we don't have to deal with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 Cant blame you for not wanting Puncheon / wanting to keep Gorkss, but I am pretty sure that the minimum TV / PL money your owners will get this year is £32m, and thats if you finish last. Which you might do if you dont strengthen more, with all due respect. Cheers As it is now, theres 5 clubs with a chance of going down. QPR, Swansea, Norwich, Wigan and Blackburn. Weve spent £1.2m and Swansea and Norwich have finished spending, £7m was also spent on player bonuses. If the rumoured £15m investment from Tony Fernandes happens, we are laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 tight gits! - if Chambo is worth £12M then Puncheon must be worth about £2M. Do Man City need a door stop or a coat stand? Just offload him, or hope that the ongoing lesson in who is in charge eventually forces a change of attitude. If he does a total U-turn he has a role to play - barring that he'll be training with Joey Barton between tumbleweed in a deserted field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 We will still have Puncheon on our books come the end of the window. No one will pay £1m for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 Only problem is, that we don't want to keep him. So he's just collecting wages for not doing anything for us. Likelihood is that he'll either go out on loan until his contract is up and leaves on a free, or someone picking him up on the cheap at the end of the transfer window. I can't see what we'd be getting out of keeping him, apart from teaching him a lesson. He'll be in demand right up until the transfer deadline, and some club who are suddenly struggling after 3 defeats will " find the money" somewhere. Sure, he's not doing anything here but if he's on L1 wages then it won't cost us much to continue paying him x? K / week.. and if all else fails, he'll go out on loan again...and someone else will have to pay his salary. He's had a lot of attention, so clubs know who he is ..and the terms of sale... NC must be a good poker player, so he'll just wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 Well if they cant afford him stop buggering about and lets go buy us a centre half to partner Fonte ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 We will still have Puncheon on our books come the end of the window. No one will pay £1m for him. So he festers, forgotten in the reserves. A few more hard nosed chairmen and footballers might realise how priveliged they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 Just proves though whether you agree with him or not, Cortese won't **** about. Think how tempting it maybe to lower the fee just to get rid which he could easily do but no, he will get the right money or he doesn't go. I personally really like that and support him in decisions even though some will no doubt be questionable. It is good to have SFC put first and not having our pants down by a stropping player and a tight club who won't pay the money. Normally I would agree, however when there is the prospect okf getting Gorkss I would happily do a straight swap. Perhaps Punch is playing silly buggers in his wage demands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 They're in trouble if they can't even afford one of our rejects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 Normally I would agree, however when there is the prospect okf getting Gorkss I would happily do a straight swap. Perhaps Punch is playing silly buggers in his wage demands. ..don't know if he will TBH. He still fancies himself as a Prem. player (and perhaps he is ..for half-a-season at least), He must surely be keen to get away and will be glad to move to anyone who will pay the transfer fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 If Joey Barton can get back in the first team at Newcastle (after the stories coming out of their camp, I never thought I'd see him in a Geordie shirt again), then it would come as no surprise to me if Adkins and Puncheon drew a line through things and he started back in the first team. There's probably a 0.5% chance of that happening, but if it does, I won't be applauding his hattricks. I think he'll be a deadline day signing for someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 We are asking too much for him, and in the mean time he is just sat earning money from the club, No way will a club offer a million for him while he is sat with the u21s with clearly no intention being allowed to play for us, if i was QPR i'd make a small bid as well. Best bet is to do the swap deal and have done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dello Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 We will still have Puncheon on our books come the end of the window. No one will pay £1m for him. Agreed- although I reckon someone will come in for him on deadline day and we'll do a loan deal like last season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 No mention of Gorkss. Was the swap deal taken off the table by QPR in the hope that we'd be desperate to offload Puncheon anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellboypete Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 there was an advert in last nights evening standard (tucked away between the riot reports) for tickets for their 1st game against bolton on saturday - Adult tickets starting at £40 - can't imagine anyone but die hard qpr fans will cough that up to see bolton And they still can't afford puncheon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingbattigger Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 So he festers, forgotten in the reserves. A few more hard nosed chairmen and footballers might realise how priveliged they are. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 Can someone please explain the QPR situation to me? I thought they had some of the wealthiest people in the world in charge, how can they not afford a £1M player having just got promoted to the PL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 Can someone please explain the QPR situation to me? I thought they had some of the wealthiest people in the world in charge, how can they not afford a £1M player having just got promoted to the PL? I get the impression they're trying to find a reason to sack Warnock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 I get the impression they're trying to find a reason to sack Warnock. Puncheon would work well then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 Can someone please explain the QPR situation to me? I thought they had some of the wealthiest people in the world in charge, how can they not afford a £1M player having just got promoted to the PL? Bernie is desperate to sell so wont invest in the team, he wants £100m which obviously no on will pay. So were stuck until we get new owners. I also think Flav is desperate to get Ranieri or some other Italian in as well. Its messed up and that wont stop until Tango and Cash are gone. Everyone hates them prices have gone up and they are even unveiling the new kit in the match program to try and milk more money but fans are organising a boycott of it. Having said that, message boards are delighted were not paying £1m for Puncheon because no one wants him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 tight gits! - if Chambo is worth £12M then Puncheon must be worth about £2M. Do Man City need a door stop or a coat stand? Just offload him, or hope that the ongoing lesson in who is in charge eventually forces a change of attitude. If he does a total U-turn he has a role to play - barring that he'll be training with Joey Barton between tumbleweed in a deserted field. You have it wrong. Punch is demanding that he is sold for £20m, he cannot bear the thought of being sold for less than a 17 year old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 Of course we want rid, but he is still only getting third division wages and no win bonus. He is not Ben Haim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 Maybe it'll be like when the kids home in Home & Away gets a little toerag. They behave badly until they're beaten into docile submission by tender loving care and the pleasant environment of Summer Bay. In our case, it'd be the somewhat less pleasant environment of Turd Bay, but the principle holds, I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 (edited) No idea of QPR's money situation at the mo, but if he's good enough to be wanted by a newly promoted Prem side, he's good enough to be worth a million. I think he's worth a million. I think they know that too, but Warnock has picked up a couple of free transfers who doubtless will have high salary demands as well as a "signing-on fee " .. and the thought of actually paying " real money " for a player might be the stumbling block. Fans who think that getting someone on a " free " is a good deal just don't realise the above costs involved. If a player doesn't request a transfer and is sold by his club then he is entitled to 10% of the fee.. (maybe more by the time his agent has a cut)..but someone who is out of contract ..or has been released by a former club doesn't get anything yet may demand a similar sum in order sign for someone else...or it comes over in the form of " moving costs /re-housing subsidy.".. etc, There aren't any FREE transfers in the football world....sign someone for (say) £1 million and he goes on £10K/ week...but the guy who comes on a " free transfer " may demand 25-30K week salary..the net cost is much the same. Edited 10 August, 2011 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 Keeping him rotting away with the youth players and reserves will send a message to any prospective player we may sign that if you throw your teddy out of the pram at SFC you will rot away on basic wages with no extra bonuses until we sell you for a price suitable to us not YOU. NC, I am glad you can stick up for your principles, if you caved in we would not have got 15M for OXO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 you will rot away on basic wages with no extra bonuses you make it sound like we are coming out of this well. We are not. We are wasting money hand over fist. We don't hold the upper hand here. He has the big fat contract and we are getting nothing in return. Playing hard ball with QPR is a risky game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 you make it sound like we are coming out of this well. We are not. We are wasting money hand over fist. We don't hold the upper hand here. He has the big fat contract and we are getting nothing in return. Playing hard ball with QPR is a risky game. I'm conflicted on this. It does seem that we'd be better off getting Puncheon off the books, even at a discount price. However, I think clubs need to do more to stand up to "want away" players. We are sending a clear message to all current and future Saints players that if they don't play by our rules, they risk a frustrating time in the reserves and a dwindling of their career. That has a lot of wider value, even if Puncheon isn't worth his wages to us on an individual basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 you make it sound like we are coming out of this well. We are not. We are wasting money hand over fist. We don't hold the upper hand here. He has the big fat contract and we are getting nothing in return. Playing hard ball with QPR is a risky game. If it means we miss out on Gorkks or whatever his name is because of it, it's a stupid game. We should do the deal, get him off the payroll and get someone we need and who wants to be here on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 11 August, 2011 Share Posted 11 August, 2011 If it means we miss out on Gorkks or whatever his name is because of it, it's a stupid game. We should do the deal, get him off the payroll and get someone we need and who wants to be here on it. It's a bit presumptuous to assume Gorkss wants to be here, for all we know he might have turned us down and we are now demanding more money for Puncheon which is why we have hit a stand still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed demon Posted 11 August, 2011 Share Posted 11 August, 2011 I thought Gorkss did'nt want to come otherwise anybody with half a brain would be able to do the deal. It would be in both clubs interests so I'm sure the money part could be smoothed over so to speak i.e we wouldn't hold out for another £50k if they didn't want to go that far. You know what I mean. Is a bit of a problem though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 11 August, 2011 Share Posted 11 August, 2011 I thought Gorkss did'nt want to come otherwise anybody with half a brain would be able to do the deal. It would be in both clubs interests so I'm sure the money part could be smoothed over so to speak i.e we wouldn't hold out for another £50k if they didn't want to go that far. You know what I mean. Is a bit of a problem though. Youve got 2 massive egos negotiating in Cortese and Briatore. The deal would be off over 1k difference because one of their egos wouldnt give in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed demon Posted 11 August, 2011 Share Posted 11 August, 2011 Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 11 August, 2011 Share Posted 11 August, 2011 Not so much a good point, but more added speculation. We have no idea if Gorkss wanted to come here, so how do we know what the reasons for the deal not happening are? Similarly, if nothing else, Cortese has shown that he is acting in Southampton's best interests. He isn't being a d*ck because he has a huge ego, rather he is trying to get the most money for our club. Briatore and Cortese are very different characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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