Minty Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 If only these grotty ruffians were more like him and this would never have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Gadzooks !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 The other f*ckers have taken their time to think that this may be more important than their holiday though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Pedro Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Duh ..... blame the politicans, why don't you ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Duh ..... blame the politicans, why don't you ....... Because, along with the bankers worldwide, they are precisely the ones at fault. Looking after the rich and the poor can go hang. Reducing opportunities and social spending. Double-dip recession yet the fat cats still swan about with record bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Tickle Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Really can't believe people are supprised by this! Surely the average educated uk dweller knows that with a 'conservative' government (con-dem) In place this was only a matter of time! Welcome to a conservative England! And by the way! Red , blue, green black etc... This wasn't what anybody voted for! The loving of ths so called saviours needs to cease and let democracy be put back in place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Because, along with the bankers worldwide, they are precisely the ones at fault. Looking after the rich and the poor can go hang. Reducing opportunities and social spending. Double-dip recession yet the fat cats still swan about with record bonuses. Really can't believe people are supprised by this! Surely the average educated uk dweller knows that with a 'conservative' government (con-dem) In place this was only a matter of time! Welcome to a conservative England! And by the way! Red , blue, green black etc... This wasn't what anybody voted for! The loving of ths so called saviours needs to cease and let democracy be put back in place! F*ck off. Yea of course they are rioting because they dont like Conservatives. i think you will find they are rioting because they are criminals who see it as fun to smash the country up and steal. It is nothing to do with the government at all. If you think Conservative only look after the rich then you need to get a grip, very old fashioned reputation that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 F*ck off. Yea of course they are rioting because they dont like Conservatives. i think you will find they are rioting because they are criminals who see it as fun to smash the country up and steal. It is nothing to do with the government at all. If you think Conservative only look after the rich then you need to get a grip, very old fashioned reputation that. good post its the usual feral rats who hang around most estates today riding their silly bikes in this country are just nasty thieving criminals who should have been dealt with long ago. politics has nothing to do with it and doubt those scum even vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Because, along with the bankers worldwide, they are precisely the ones at fault. Looking after the rich and the poor can go hang. Reducing opportunities and social spending. Double-dip recession yet the fat cats still swan about with record bonuses. So are you suggesting that these unfortunate 'protesters' all passed their exams and weren't let in to University? Or they completed their apprenticeships but weren't offered a job? There are opportunities, they just chose not to take them. It has little to do with which political party is in power, laziness and greed are the issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 (edited) So are you suggesting that these unfortunate 'protesters' all passed their exams and weren't let in to University? Or they completed their apprenticeships but weren't offered a job? There are opportunities, they just chose not to take them. It has little to do with which political party is in power, laziness and greed are the issues. Get real - the UK is one of the most socially immobile countries in the developed world (a Labour and Conservative thing). In other words, if your parents were at the bottom of the heap, there's a pretty good chance you'll end there be too. Escaping your background through hard work and effort is pretty difficult. And its got more difficult over time. Edited 9 August, 2011 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Pedro Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Because, along with the bankers worldwide, they are precisely the ones at fault. Looking after the rich and the poor can go hang. Reducing opportunities and social spending. Double-dip recession yet the fat cats still swan about with record bonuses. Very sad that you think like this .... take some time and read this ...http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/katharinebirbalsingh/100100161/no-wonder-these-kids-think-stealing-trainers-is-ok-everyone-makes-excuses-for-them/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Get real - the UK is one of the most socially immobile countries in the developed world (a Labour and Conservative thing). In other words, if your parents were at the bottom of the heap, there's a pretty good chance you'll end there be too. Escaping your background through hard work and effort is pretty difficult. And its got more difficult over time. Where is your evidence for that? I'm happy to get real, but give me a little more to go on. From my own experience, I know absolutely loads of people whose parents were poor but have made it in life. From all sorts of backgrounds too- those who were poor and went to a grammar school, those who failed the 11+, I even know a guy who is now a copper, having been to Oxford despite none of his family ever finishing secondary school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Very sad that you think like this .... take some time and read this ...http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/katharinebirbalsingh/100100161/no-wonder-these-kids-think-stealing-trainers-is-ok-everyone-makes-excuses-for-them/ Said elsewhere, she's talking s**t. Not helped that she cites other countries that don't have a similar problem with their youth yet those countries don't have huge disparities between rich and poor - they are socialist paradises by comparison. If anything, she provides unintentional support for arguments like Dark Sotonic Mills. Not the brightest bulb for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 (edited) Where is your evidence for that? I'm happy to get real, but give me a little more to go on. From my own experience, I know absolutely loads of people whose parents were poor but have made it in life. From all sorts of backgrounds too- those who were poor and went to a grammar school, those who failed the 11+, I even know a guy who is now a copper, having been to Oxford despite none of his family ever finishing secondary school. Definitely exceptions but that's true with anything. Better to stick with underlying trends- the best evidence is from researchers at the London School of Economics and the Government's National Equality Panel. http://sticerd.lse.ac.uk/dps/case/cr/CASEreport60.pdf Check Chapter 11 Unfortunately they dont have data for recent years (you have to follow one group over a period of time to do so) but they nonetheless find that: * 37% of per cent of men born in 1970, whose parents were in the bottom quarter when they were teenagers, ended up in the bottom quarter of earnings themselves. By contrast, only 13% of males in the poorest quarter made it to the top quarter. Both figures also deteriorated over time. If you happened to be born in the top quarter of incomes group, you had a 45% chance of staying there; and only 13% chance of sliding to the bottom quarter (p.326) *Background also affects your chances of getting a university degree -only 10% of people born in 1979 from the bottom 25% (income) gained a degree by the time they were 23 - contrast that with 44% for the top quarter (p.327). The figures are even starker for getting degrees from the top universities and breaking into the professions. * Britain has less income mobility than Italy, France, Japan, Korea, Germany, Canada, Denmark, Finland, Australia - you name it (p.328 ) Edited 9 August, 2011 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 (edited) Get real - the UK is one of the most socially immobile countries in the developed world (a Labour and Conservative thing). In other words, if your parents were at the bottom of the heap, there's a pretty good chance you'll end there be too. Escaping your background through hard work and effort is pretty difficult. And its got more difficult over time. Work hard at school, you get into college, work hard at college you get into university. If you dont have much money, you can get higher maintenance loans and grants. It is possible to go to university on a low budget, if you are willing to do so. If not university then use those college grades to get an apprenticeship. Its all about ambition and working hard. If you just accept that you are from a less privileged background and dont do anything about it then yes you will always be less privileged. Edited 9 August, 2011 by SaintNeil90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Definitely exceptions but that's true with anything. Better to stick with underlying trends- the best evidence is from researchers at the London School of Economics and the Government's National Equality Panel. http://sticerd.lse.ac.uk/dps/case/cr/CASEreport60.pdf Check Chapter 11 Unfortunately they dont have data for recent years (you have to follow one group over a period of time to do so) but they nonetheless find that: * 37% of per cent of men born in 1970, whose parents were in the bottom quarter when they were teenagers, ended up in the bottom quarter of earnings themselves. By contrast, only 13% of males in the poorest quarter made it to the top quarter. Both figures also deteriorated over time. If you happened to be born in the top quarter of incomes group, you had a 45% chance of staying there; and only 13% chance of sliding to the bottom quarter (p.326) *Background also affects your chances of getting a university degree -only 10% of people born in 1979 from the bottom 25% (income) gained a degree by the time they were 23 - contrast that with 44% for the top quarter (p.327). The figures are even starker for getting degrees from the top universities and breaking into the professions. * Britain has less income mobility than Italy, France, Japan, Korea, Germany, Canada, Denmark, Finland, Australia - you name it (p.328 ) This has to be the first time I've encountered somebody actually backing up their argument with some facts. You'll understand if I take a while to respond, need to digest this info! Your point about 37% of men remaining in the bottom quarter seems to me (perhaps wrongly) to be quite positive. That means 63% of men born in 1970 got out of the lowest quarter. Isn't that a good thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 This has to be the first time I've encountered somebody actually backing up their argument with some facts. You'll understand if I take a while to respond, need to digest this info! Your point about 37% of men remaining in the bottom quarter seems to me (perhaps wrongly) to be quite positive. That means 63% of men born in 1970 got out of the lowest quarter. Isn't that a good thing? Suppose that's one way to look at it, though of the 63%, most probably barely break out - as i say only 13% make it to the top quarter (and given earnings/incomes in this country, that's not megariches -maybe £400 a week after direct taxes) and even fewer make it to the top . Im not a socialist -if you're a feckless, idle c**t, you should stay one. But I do believe if you work hard, you should get rewarded. The idea that you have more than a 1 in 3 chance of staying at the bottom -regardless of what you do, just by virtue of where you were born- doesn't strike me as very fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint In Exile Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Very sad that you think like this .... take some time and read this ...http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/katharinebirbalsingh/100100161/no-wonder-these-kids-think-stealing-trainers-is-ok-everyone-makes-excuses-for-them/ Or alternatively this... Also from the Telegraph!!! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8630533/Riots-the-underclass-lashes-out.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 10 August, 2011 Share Posted 10 August, 2011 I don't blame the Government one bit for these riots (and I wouldn't vote for them in a million years). The perpetrators are feral scum who are on the rob. However, Boris is a clown, and the Government are not doing a good job of sorting this mess out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewStiles Posted 11 August, 2011 Share Posted 11 August, 2011 Boris is the Mayor of London, he is responsible for the Met police. Tottenham blew up on Saturday Boris was on holiday. Enfield and Brixton blew on Sunday, Boris still on holiday. Monday, the Met Police gets overwhelmed, Boris is still on holiday. A joke. And this from The Guardian: "In the mid-to-late 80s, Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson – not to mention David Cameron and his now chancellor George Osborne – were members of the notorious Bullingdon Club, the Oxford university "dining" clique that smashed their way through restaurant crockery, car windscreens and antique violins all over the city of knowledge....In his and Cameron's day, the Bullingdon was most notorious for heaving a weighty flowerpot through the window of a distinguished Oxford eaterie. Cameron, it is said, had already left the scene, but Johnson was so proud that for a time he claimed he was arrested for his part in these exploits. In fact, he simply hid in the shrubbery at the city's botanical gardens." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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