JustMike Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 In light of AOC going to play for Arsenals U18 side for an undisclosed fee. Is it about time the undisclosed fee was abolished? In an age where transparency in football is ripe (FIFA etc) there does seem to be an awful lot of undisclosed's creeping in. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 I just don't understand why it needs to be undisclosed? Smacks of embarrassment to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 You dont want other teams to know how much money you have to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Because it's no-ones business other than buying and selling clubs quite frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 I just don't understand why it needs to be undisclosed? Smacks of embarrassment to me. Smacks of Saggy chops and a large brown envelope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 8 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Because it's no-ones business other than buying and selling clubs quite frankly. I disagree, you only have to look at that lot down the road and all their dodgy dealings to realise it affects alot more than just the buyer and seller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 I just don't understand why it needs to be undisclosed? Because when Saints start buying new players it helps in the negotiation process if the other club doesn't know if Saints got £15m or £50m for Chamberlain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Because when Saints start buying new players it helps in the negotiation process if the other club doesn't know if Saints got £15m or £50m for Chamberlain. Spot on. Although the reports in the media and the PA aren't going to help negotiations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 8 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Because when Saints start buying new players it helps in the negotiation process if the other club doesn't know if Saints got £15m or £50m for Chamberlain. but then they get a rough idea from the reported fee. Also, other clubs dont know how much we had initially Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 I just don't understand why it needs to be undisclosed? Smacks of embarrassment to me. you have to be autistic not to see why many clubs do the undisclosed thing...as for being an embarrassment....well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 8 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 8 August, 2011 you have to be autistic not to see why many clubs do the undisclosed thing...as for being an embarrassment....well on a side note...how on earth did you get to over 21,000 posts!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Not obvious to me that it being undisclosed helps us in transfer negotiations. That would only be the case if the undisclosed fee is higher than the fee reported in the media. E.g. if we got £20m for him, but most people believe it's about £15m. However, we are better to disclsoe the fee if reports are higher than the actual amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 8 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 8 August, 2011 on the flip side you also get clubs happy to announce the full price (Man City with £35mill for Aguerro, for example) Surely it should all be revealed or all not revealed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 but then they get a rough idea from the reported fee. Reported fees vary. Some reports have said £5m upfront with upto £5m later, other £7m upfront with upto £5m later and probably the most reliable from the BBC, PA and Independant said £12m upfront with upto £3m later. Having it undisclosed still leaves an element of doubt and strengthens Cortese's bargaining position in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Because when Saints start buying new players it helps in the negotiation process if the other club doesn't know if Saints got £15m or £50m for Chamberlain. They might not know the actual price but I'm sure they wouldn't need too long to get in the right ball park. Prices were always disclosed in my day so why not now? I'm all for having an ace in the hole but I really do not see what major advantage not disclosing the price is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 8 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Reported fees vary. Some reports have said £5m upfront with upto £5m later, other £7m upfront with upto £5m later and probably the most reliable from the BBC, PA and Independant said £12m upfront with upto £3m later. Having it undisclosed still leaves an element of doubt and strengthens Cortese's bargaining position in the future. I see that point but again, a club(s) wouldnt know what we had to start with, yes they know we had a bob or 10 with the reported offers for Sharp et al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 you have to be autistic not to see why many clubs do the undisclosed thing...as for being an embarrassment....well Sorry DD but enlighten me please as I must be autistic (tut tut). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 In light of AOC going to play for Arsenals U18 side for an undisclosed fee. Is it about time the undisclosed fee was abolished? In an age where transparency in football is ripe (FIFA etc) there does seem to be an awful lot of undisclosed's creeping in. Thoughts? I agree with you. Years ago the fee was always quoted, never heard this undisclosed business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Reported fees vary. Some reports have said £5m upfront with upto £5m later, other £7m upfront with upto £5m later and probably the most reliable from the BBC, PA and Independant said £12m upfront with upto £3m later. Having it undisclosed still leaves an element of doubt and strengthens Cortese's bargaining position in the future. But the club trumpeting "Saints' previous transfer records blown out of the water" somewhat undermines that position if anyone happens to know our previous club record... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 But the club trumpeting "Saints' previous transfer records blown out of the water" somewhat undermines that position if anyone happens to know our previous club record... Not really. Makes commercial sense not to announce to the world at large the price you do business at. But football is populated by mongs so it's little wonder silly practice is rife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Not really. Makes commercial sense not to announce to the world at large the price you do business at. But football is populated by mongs so it's little wonder silly practice is rife. Yeah, really. It's not like the club has been reluctant to fail to disclose otherwise widely known information previously either. But you're right about silly practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 But the club trumpeting "Saints' previous transfer records blown out of the water" somewhat undermines that position if anyone happens to know our previous club record... They want to reassure Saints fans that they got a good deal without giving the exact fee away. Leaving it undisclosed could potentially mean it is more than £15m, but no-one would know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Of course, the ultimate comeback is "we're a privately-owned club, it's no-one else's business". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asaint4ever Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Why ain't any news of alex's departure been put on the OS? I see he has been removed from the squad list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Why ain't any news of alex's departure been put on the OS? It has, was put on there at 5:45pm http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2414134,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asaint4ever Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 It has, was put on there at 5:45. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2414134,00.html Saints mobile is crap. Thanks mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steadyeddie Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 you have to be autistic not to see why many clubs do the undisclosed thing...as for being an embarrassment....well I have friends with Autistic Children. What are you doing posting comments like that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 On the OS there is a section on records...At the moment our biggest transfer out is listed as Theo Walcott for £12m. I wonder when that will be updated and will it say Alex C undisclosed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 I have friends with Autistic Children. What are you doing posting comments like that ? Well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Saints mobile is crap. Thanks mate. Go to the bottom and click on the desktop link. Works fine if you have a network connectio, slow otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 you have to be autistic not to see why many clubs do the undisclosed thing...as for being an embarrassment....well My son is autistic Delldays. Ignorant f*kwits like you make me despair. same sort of c*nt that used to use 'flid' for anyone disabled . I Know you are a thick ***t but cant be arsed to read your posts. If the mods took action I'd expect you'd be on Itchen bridge quite soon as 20000 + indicates you have very little else in your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 What was the previous club record? At least we have been disclosed to the fact it was more than that!? FitzH will know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 I have friends with Autistic Children. Can you ask them why clubs do undisclosed fees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Reported fees vary. Some reports have said £5m upfront with upto £5m later, other £7m upfront with upto £5m later and probably the most reliable from the BBC, PA and Independant said £12m upfront with upto £3m later. Having it undisclosed still leaves an element of doubt and strengthens Cortese's bargaining position in the future. Quite right ! It's no-one's business except those who are directly involved with the deal. It may be " nice to know " what we paid /or got for " a player when they sign but it does help bargaining if the other club doesn't know whats in your bank account. I assume that Cortese will fend off such ridiculous deals with a stern comment about our £13 million deficit over the last 2 seasons, and not having " money to burn ". Personally, I'm past the stage of calculating things on the strength of " the transfer fee ". The real costs of signing a player, for say £750K and paying them 10K week and little different to signing a " free transfer " player and then paying " a signing-on fee " and then paying them 25K week. For those who think seriously about such things .. I read that Rudi Skacel's transfer back to Hearts netted the Saints £1.6 million - now that I do call... a good deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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