Are you watching Rupert Lowe?

[Huffton]

THATS how you sell a player!

[Colinjb]

Who?

[Saint Garrett]

To be fair - As much as Wupert was a c*nt...he was generally good at getting a decent amount for players.

[CanadaSaint]

Jesus Murphy, can't we leave the past in the past and move on?

 

We're one step below the Premier league, and we have strong ownership, a good team, money to invest and a good chance of a strong season.

 

Time to look forward with optimism rather than backward with anger, eh?

[Mozz]

If this is referring to Walcott then we weren't actually entitled to anything but development compensation as he wasn't yet 17. If the player hadn't had morals then he could've just signed a contract and a tribunal would've given us peanuts.

[The9]

THATS how you sell a player!

 

Pretty sure one of Lowe's strong points was the ridiculous amounts he was able to get for players on their exit.

[aintforever]

For all Lowe's fault he did know how to get decent money for a player.

 

Whoever made the opening post is a d!ck.

[beatlesaint]

I have never defended Lowe but the fee he got for Dean Richards was excellent and he had no choice with Theo due to his age so he did well to get what he did.

[niceandfriendly]

I don't enjoy seeing or hearing that mans name. Mods can we have a filter on the title?

[Crazy Diamond]

Bit unnecessary this. The fact is, we had no option but to sell Bale, Walcott, Mills etc. Perhaps the sell on clauses could have been done a bit better (i.e stopping them and getting Tommy Fourpast) but that was then, this is now.

[Scudamore]

I am watching him...from the bushes in his back garden...

[St Chalet]

The Theo deal was one of the better aspects of Lowe's tenure.

[alpine_saint]

The only comparable effort from Lowe was the sale of Dean Richards.

 

Walcott was given away (considering the potential he had then..)

[rpb]

I actually hold the Burley appointment against Lowe more than anything else.

 

It did turn out to be a bad appointment but, at the time, I seem to remember everyone thinking it was a great one.

[alpine_saint]

It did turn out to be a bad appointment but, at the time, I seem to remember everyone thinking it was a great one.

 

Including me, I admit it. He had a good reputation, but in the light of everything since, his problems at Hearts should have been taken more seriously.

[Clash City Saint]

If I remember correctly Burley was 'sold' to us on the fact he took Ipswich into the playoffs 5 times and got them promoted once, I know I wasn't alone in looking at this as failing 4 times out of 5.

 

Remember those crazy car stickers ' In St George we trust'? The blind faith of football fans is priceless.

[The9]

The only comparable effort from Lowe was the sale of Dean Richards.

 

Walcott was given away (considering the potential he had then..)

 

Funnily enough if you believe the Guardian's reporting the Chamberlain deal is worth £5m plus £5m, the Walcott deal (originally) was worth up to £12m - though we settled for about £9m pre-admin. So the Walcott deal would have been worth more - though as the club's reported a "club record" we can only assume that at least one of those figures is wrong.

[alpine_saint]

Funnily enough if you believe the Guardian's reporting the Chamberlain deal is worth £5m plus £5m, the Walcott deal (originally) was worth up to £12m - though we settled for about £9m pre-admin. So the Walcott deal would have been worth more - though as the club's reported a "club record" we can only assume that at least one of those figures is wrong.

 

Which makes your whole post a load of guff.....

[St Marco]

Of course Lowe got some good fees for our players, he had a lot of practice!

[S-Clarke]

Funnily enough if you believe the Guardian's reporting the Chamberlain deal is worth £5m plus £5m, the Walcott deal (originally) was worth up to £12m - though we settled for about £9m pre-admin. So the Walcott deal would have been worth more - though as the club's reported a "club record" we can only assume that at least one of those figures is wrong.

 

The Guardian are wrong.

[Chez]

If Lowe sold a player who wanted out he was the devil, Cortese does the same and he's a hero. Getting real money for Walcott was great work considering he could of gone for bobbins. Getting £12m+ for Chamberlain is another decent piece of work. Neither Chairman had total control, but both played decent hands. If you want a rod to beat Lowe with their are plenty of better ones to choose from.

Edited 8 August, 2011 by Chez

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

OP is a ****. Sorry mate.

[Golac's Iron Gonads]

Lowe was great at selling players for fine prices, he was just retarded when re-investing the profit.

[Frank's cousin]

Lowe was great at selling players for fine prices' date=' he was just retarded when re-investing the profit.[/quote']

 

'profit' ?? the problem with 'reinvestment' as you call it is that you need to have a 'suplus' from any sale to 'reinvest'... if you look back at the books and I think one of teh mods did a good recap a while ago, we actually spent close to exactly teh amount he sold players for on new players when in teh prem... after that it went on paying the bills

 

The problem was not in teh amount we spent under Lowe, but who we spent it on. The managerial merry-go round produced a bloated squad of average. Some Hate Lowe for that, yet the flip side is in many cases we needed to ship someone out before it was too late... its hard to believe now that teh one manager who actually took us down when we were not in the relagation zone when he arrived and with a squad that shoudl ahve been strong enough to stay up if properly motivated and organised was the one who the medi aregard as the best 'English' Manager.... football is wierd.

 

Lowes biggest problem? He was simply not likeable - to detached from fans and the realities of their expectations - which instead of trying to communicate with and explain the rationale, he simply dismissed in his arrogance. In terms of running a club financially, he had it spot on in teh prem... but again will repeat it was teh number and aquality of the signings we made, not the amount spent.

[Roger]

'profit' ?? the problem with 'reinvestment' as you call it is that you need to have a 'suplus' from any sale to 'reinvest'... if you look back at the books and I think one of teh mods did a good recap a while ago, we actually spent close to exactly teh amount he sold players for on new players when in teh prem... after that it went on paying the bills

 

The problem was not in teh amount we spent under Lowe, but who we spent it on. The managerial merry-go round produced a bloated squad of average. Some Hate Lowe for that, yet the flip side is in many cases we needed to ship someone out before it was too late... its hard to believe now that teh one manager who actually took us down when we were not in the relagation zone when he arrived and with a squad that shoudl ahve been strong enough to stay up if properly motivated and organised was the one who the medi aregard as the best 'English' Manager.... football is wierd.

 

Lowes biggest problem? He was simply not likeable - to detached from fans and the realities of their expectations - which instead of trying to communicate with and explain the rationale, he simply dismissed in his arrogance. In terms of running a club financially, he had it spot on in teh prem... but again will repeat it was teh number and aquality of the signings we made, not the amount spent.

 

It wont be good if we dont sign at least a cb and a cf by august 31st pal, accoutant spk or not

[rpb]

Remember those crazy car stickers ' In St George we trust'? The blind faith of football fans is priceless.

 

Absolutely - I sang "Harry and Jim are red and white" along with everyone else and believed all would be well.

[Redondo Saint]

To be fair - As much as Wupert was a c*nt...he was generally good at getting a decent amount for players.

 

He was also good at negotiating players wages. Let's enjoy the 15m and leave the past behind.

[Daren W]

The only comparable effort from Lowe was the sale of Dean Richards.

 

Walcott was given away (considering the potential he had then..)

 

Kevin Davies?

And Walcott? Considering his career thus far, I think Lowe did well to get what he did.... (Championship player and all)

Hindsight is great isn't it?

[Roger]

Kevin Davies?

And Walcott? Considering his career thus far, I think Lowe did well to get what he did.... (Championship player and all)

Hindsight is great isn't it?

 

Hi daren, hope youre okay mate. For me as much as I couldnt stand lowe and he was imo worst thing that ever happened to saints, I will only celebrate aoc going after we have strengthened properly. If vwe dont spend it will be a disaster.

[The Kraken]

Kevin Davies?

And Walcott? Considering his career thus far, I think Lowe did well to get what he did.... (Championship player and all)

Hindsight is great isn't it?

 

You can add Wayne Bridge to the list.

[Daren W]

You can add Wayne Bridge to the list.

 

Oh yes... Wayne Bridge...

sniff sniff... What a waste of a footballer...

[Lighthouse]

The only player I really wish we'd got more for from Lowe was Crouch.

 

Crouch - a dosen PL goals and a couple of England caps - £7m

Andy Carroll - A dosen PL goals and a couple of England caps - £35m

 

I know prices have gone up recently and the Torres cash pumped things up a bit, but I reckon we could have got £10-15m if we'd really held out.

[rpb]

The only player I really wish we'd got more for from Lowe was Crouch.

 

Crouch - a dosen PL goals and a couple of England caps - £7m

Andy Carroll - A dosen PL goals and a couple of England caps - £35m

 

I know prices have gone up recently and the Torres cash pumped things up a bit, but I reckon we could have got £10-15m if we'd really held out.

 

It depends on how much time he had left on his contract.

[Lighthouse]

It depends on how much time he had left on his contract.

 

Well, he was pretty young at the time and had only just signed. Wiki says he signed a 4 year contract, but it must have been at least 3. Long enough for us not to be forced into selling certainly.

[LostBoys]

Wupert - who he?

[SaintRobbie]

My first thoughts exactly, Theo's move is really put into perspective now. It goes to show how poor - in almost every way - Lowe was for this Club…. and the plc in the end!

 

Well rid.

[John B]

Jesus Murphy, can't we leave the past in the past and move on?

 

We're one step below the Premier league, and we have strong ownership, a good team, money to invest and a good chance of a strong season.

 

Time to look forward with optimism rather than backward with anger, eh?

 

 

Yes good start to the season money available to enhance the squad mind I think the deal should have been done some time ago

 

But the future looks very good

[david in sweden]

If this is referring to Walcott then we weren't actually entitled to anything but development compensation as he wasn't yet 17. If the player hadn't had morals then he could've just signed a contract and a tribunal would've given us peanuts.

 

--and speaking of tribunals..is there any news of our " compensation " after Gobern's move to Huddersfield ?

[david in sweden]

Kevin Davies?

And Walcott? Considering his career thus far, I think Lowe did well to get what he did.... (Championship player and all)

Hindsight is great isn't it?

 

Kevin Davies (bought for 750K from ..Chesterfield? ", and eventually sold to Blackburn for £8 million ...?

 

Dean Richards (God rest his soul) was a Bosman / Free from Wolves and sold to Glenn Hoddle's Spuds for £8 million.

 

Crouch's move to Liverpool (£6 million) should have netted more - but we don't know exactly as it was one of .." 'arry's deals " and it would have been - had we not been in the relegation zone at the time.

 

No-one mentioned James Beattie's (6... or was it 7 million fiasco move to Everton) ....sorry James but you were best when at SMS.

 

..and yes ...the Walcott deal was very good considering he could have signed himself and we'd have got nothing.

 

One positive thing about RL's deals was the increasing use of the " sell-on clause ". How I wish we'd have had that in the

contract when we sold Alan Shearer to Blackburn (1992) for a then record £3.6 million. (later sold to Newcastle for £15 million?)

Edited 9 August, 2011 by david in sweden

[September Saint]

Maybe Huffton's initial point may have referred to the Bale sale. My understanding is that, to get more money up front, we relinquished the "sell-on" clause. Also we were forced to spend some of this extra money on Tommy Forcast. Anyone ITK?

[saintbletch]

The Guardian are wrong.

 

We don't know that The Guardian has got it wrong. Do we?

 

But at best The Guardian is confused.

 

Their main headline says it's £10M.

 

An article on the player later in the same edition says £12M.

[Pancake]

Huge OP fail.

[Wopper]

Thank god Lowes gone he never had a clue.

[bpsaint]

As much as I still hate RL with a passion, it's fair to say he did very well with getting us good money when selling players. The only issue was reinvesting it in the right way which we didn't do, particulary after the cup final.

 

I do believe though that in the same situation AOC probably would have been sold by Rupes in January when some fairly big offers came through, instead of putting the faxed bids in the bin like NC did.

[Huffton]

Huge OP fail.

 

40+ replies and been called a **** a few times? Hardly a fail!

[Chez]

The only player I really wish we'd got more for from Lowe was Crouch.

 

Crouch - a dosen PL goals and a couple of England caps - £7m

Andy Carroll - A dosen PL goals and a couple of England caps - £35m

 

I know prices have gone up recently and the Torres cash pumped things up a bit, but I reckon we could have got £10-15m if we'd really held out.

 

we had just dropped out of the top flight and every man and his dog knew we had to sell to survive financially so £7m was a decent price back then.

[up and away]

Originally Posted by Pancake

Huge OP fail.

40+ replies and been called a **** a few times? Hardly a fail!

 

Bearing in mind that we never had Theo secured under contract and managed to get that value, exactly how can you compare? And if you are going to compare htf do you reach that conclusion. Thwat of a post!

[Chez]

[/b]

 

--and speaking of tribunals..is there any news of our " compensation " after Gobern's move to Huddersfield ?

 

well I saw a tin of quality street knocking about the ticket office the other day.

[Cheeky Monkey]

Players that have left Saints as young players and whom could improve our current team include the following ( in bold )

 

A. Blayney

 

Cranie Monk Williamson Bridge

 

AOC, Dyer, Surman, Bale

 

Walcott, K Jones

 

Thats Basically whole team, and does not include the likes of Blackstock, best etc etc

[hughieslastminutegoal]

'profit' ?? the problem with 'reinvestment' as you call it is that you need to have a 'suplus' from any sale to 'reinvest'... if you look back at the books and I think one of teh mods did a good recap a while ago, we actually spent close to exactly teh amount he sold players for on new players when in teh prem... after that it went on paying the bills

 

The problem was not in teh amount we spent under Lowe, but who we spent it on. The managerial merry-go round produced a bloated squad of average. Some Hate Lowe for that, yet the flip side is in many cases we needed to ship someone out before it was too late... its hard to believe now that teh one manager who actually took us down when we were not in the relagation zone when he arrived and with a squad that shoudl ahve been strong enough to stay up if properly motivated and organised was the one who the medi aregard as the best 'English' Manager.... football is wierd.

 

Lowes biggest problem? He was simply not likeable - to detached from fans and the realities of their expectations - which instead of trying to communicate with and explain the rationale, he simply dismissed in his arrogance. In terms of running a club financially, he had it spot on in teh prem... but again will repeat it was teh number and aquality of the signings we made, not the amount spent.

 

So you say he had it spot on in the Prem, but allowed the income from sales to be spent on too many poor signings. And maintained a pay structure that directly led to that. But apart from that he had it spot on.

 

I think you've tried to contradict what GIG said but actually repeated what he said - Lowe couldn't re-invest what he earned. You've merely split hairs over the words profit and income, when everyone else knew what he meant.

Edited 10 August, 2011 by hughieslastminutegoal