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Thanks and good luck Oxo and best wishes for your future career

 

He had kind words to say about saints and we should also reciprocate with kind words of thanks to him and his family

Dont really understand why we have to pick on his father Mark as surely he only wants what all fathers want for thier sons? and anyway he did take Oxo out of Pompey and bring him to us, as a result of which we have made £15m so still a result

 

now we move on and spend some of the money effectively!

 

Would this be the father that wanted his son out of Saints as soon as possible? Would this be the player that came out in the papers, showed a lack of respect for Southampton FC and all it's fans by basically saying he thought he was too good for us now?

 

Thanks for the £12m or whatever it is Arsenal. As for Chamberlain, i dont care what happens to him nowand i certainly dont wish him luck. He's not one of us anymore and unlike Walcott and Bale, showed a disctinct lack of respect and class in getting his move.

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Would this be the father that wanted his son out of Saints as soon as possible? Would this be the player that came out in the papers, showed a lack of respect for Southampton FC and all it's fans by basically saying he thought he was too good for us now?

 

Thanks for the £12m or whatever it is Arsenal. As for Chamberlain, i dont care what happens to him nowand i certainly dont wish him luck. He's not one of us anymore and unlike Walcott and Bale, showed a disctinct lack of respect and class in getting his move.

 

 

He showed a lack of respect and class? Remeber he is 17 and has always spoken well about Saints

What is your excuse?

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He showed a lack of respect and class? Remeber he is 17 and has always spoken well about Saints

What is your excuse?

 

I speak honestly and realistically.

 

Yes he did, coming out in the papers saying you are want to leave, implying you are too good for us and basically mugging off the people that pay your wages is a lack of class and respect. Walcott and Bale never did such a thing. His age is no excuses, it's not like he hasn't got advisors and agents and examples of other players to use as an example of what not to do.

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I speak honestly and realistically.

 

Yes he did, coming out in the papers saying you are want to leave, implying you are too good for us and basically mugging off the people that pay your wages is a lack of class and respect. Walcott and Bale never did such a thing. His age is no excuses, it's not like he hasn't got advisors and agents and examples of other players to use as an example of what not to do.

 

 

A 17 year old has the opportunity to make the premier league earn mega wages and sign a long term contract! What would you do in his shoes? Arsenal made clear they wanted him last Easter and again this season from that point his mind was no longer with us.

 

I for one am very proud that we as a club continue to produce good young players like Williams, Shearer, Rod Wallace, Bridge, Mills, Walcott, Bale and AOC to name but a few. There is no doubt that a large part of their success is down to Saints a fact recognised by most clubs and supporters across the football and premiere league.

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Interesting from Adkins tonight, it's the first time he's been questioned since the sale has gone through.

 

''He's a terrific lad, and he's now moved to Arsenal so we move on and look to the future. The Charmian has managed to be reimbursed with a very fair amount.

 

''What deals are going on in the background have not changed, what was going to happen will still happen even though Chamberlain has gone. Those deals would have happened anyway, we'll continue to do it quietly"

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You are a complete and utter sh8t talker - given the chance to move to a prem club in the top 4 or stay at SFC what would you do? Yeah I am sure you would have stayed....NOT you dunce!!! Get real - this is the real world, I despair at some of the complete idiots on this board. You should be wishing the lad well - he did fantastically well for the club last season and we got a cracking load of money. I for one wish him all the very best and Alex if you are reading this board ever (which I sincerely hope you don't or you might think this crazy fool represent genuine fans) - laugh at them all the way to the bank. Do well for us kid...play for England first team....you are a great player in the making - keep you feet on the ground!! Best wishes to you for the future - I will watch with great interest.

 

I am a sh8t talker am I? Er, show me where I am wrong? You'rew telling me he is guarenteed firtst team football? Would I go to Arsenal in his situation, well apart from there being no right or wrong answer there, my answer would be a definate no. But, I'm not from the spoilt brat generation who think they 'deserve' money and success. This is a ridiculous situation and all of you who have commented on money being the draw, just show how shallow you all are. Is money the be all and end all? Not to me it isn't. Money comes and money goes, legends live on, AOC will never be a legend, he can't hack it, and he just proved that. Theo proved he can't hack it and has been a waste at Arsenal.

 

lastly, for those of you that confuse playing for England and earning lots of money, the two are becoming less and less tied together. in the coming years, i you want to earn lots of money you will play in the Euro League, and NEVER play for your country. Don't believe for a minute that this young lad wants to play for England for any other reason than to get noteriety. He has proven this by playing for our first team.

 

No loyalty, no respect, no hope, see ya!

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A 17 year old has the opportunity to make the premier league earn mega wages and sign a long term contract! What would you do in his shoes? Arsenal made clear they wanted him last Easter and again this season from that point his mind was no longer with us.

 

I for one am very proud that we as a club continue to produce good young players like Williams, Shearer, Rod Wallace, Bridge, Mills, Walcott, Bale and AOC to name but a few. There is no doubt that a large part of their success is down to Saints a fact recognised by most clubs and supporters across the football and premiere league.

 

I didn't say i begrudge him his move, that is totally fair enough. If you check my posts in the past i've said i fully expect him to leave and understand his reasons. What i dont like is the way his dad and then him showed a lack of class and respect for SFC and it's fans by engineering the move via the press.

 

And dont say he made a mistake, he's a kid etc, he's got advisors, agents, his old man was a pro footballer, they knew the score. Do you think he did that interview without speaking to any of the first? None of the other players you mentioned followed this course.

 

Still if your happy for players to come out and basically say they dont want to play for us anymore and think they are too good for us then thats up to you.

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I didn't say i begrudge him his move, that is totally fair enough. If you check my posts in the past i've said i fully expect him to leave and understand his reasons. What i dont like is the way his dad and then him showed a lack of class and respect for SFC and it's fans by engineering the move via the press.

 

And dont say he made a mistake, he's a kid etc, he's got advisors, agents, his old man was a pro footballer, they knew the score. Do you think he did that interview without speaking to any of the first? None of the other players you mentioned followed this course.

 

Still if your happy for players to come out and basically say they dont want to play for us anymore and think they are too good for us then thats up to you.

 

Agree with this. I actually find it insulting that a player has been with us from 9 years old can disrespect the club by airing his views in the press. Im glad that our chairman believes things should be done in a certain way that puts the club first.

 

Having the best academy will hopefully attract the best kids as they think the club will do its best for them. They should at least have the decency to make sure they do right by the club while they are here.

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I am sad he is gone like most people, it is always a shame to loose a young prospect for the team (as team building is good when it goes well), but you can't hold a grudge towards him for how it has happened. He's been poorly advised but since the speculation started in January (with his dad doing too much silly talking) but for the rest of last season (when not injured) he has played like one of the team and like an adult (unlike Puncheon who's the best example of how not to say you want to leave to a new club). He didn't kick up a fuss in public when we have stuck to our guns on the price and hasn't said a single bad thing about the club, so as fans we can only smile at the contribution he made to the club and I wish him all the best at Arsenal.

 

Plus 12-15m means only one thing, MONEY FIGHT!!! As it is such an over the top price for such a young kid.

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I am a sh8t talker am I? Er, show me where I am wrong? You'rew telling me he is guarenteed firtst team football? Would I go to Arsenal in his situation, well apart from there being no right or wrong answer there, my answer would be a definate no. But, I'm not from the spoilt brat generation who think they 'deserve' money and success. This is a ridiculous situation and all of you who have commented on money being the draw, just show how shallow you all are. Is money the be all and end all? Not to me it isn't. Money comes and money goes, legends live on, AOC will never be a legend, he can't hack it, and he just proved that. Theo proved he can't hack it and has been a waste at Arsenal.

 

lastly, for those of you that confuse playing for England and earning lots of money, the two are becoming less and less tied together. in the coming years, i you want to earn lots of money you will play in the Euro League, and NEVER play for your country. Don't believe for a minute that this young lad wants to play for England for any other reason than to get noteriety. He has proven this by playing for our first team.

 

No loyalty, no respect, no hope, see ya!

 

So, if you worked for a small company in your industry and although you were top performer, you were modestly rewarded for what you do and then you are given the opportunity to join one of the leading companies in the same industry - given that you'll have the chance to prove your worth amongst a lot of talent, have the chance to be recognised by your peers and that you'll be rewarded by earning probably 3 or 4 times the salary that you're currently on - you're saying you wouldn't take that opportunity?

 

Take the blinkers off for a moment and I can see why he went. Will it be the right move, well time will tell. Maybe he should have stayed to continue to develop with Saints for another season, but what regrets would he have if he stayed and picked up an injury in his next game. What is the price of loyalty - try asking Billy Sharp of S****horpe and see if he thinks he made the right decision. Btw, I don't know what his answer would be.

 

So to all those suddenly hating Oxo just because he's bettered himself, well it just sounds like your jealous.

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So, if you worked for a small company in your industry and although you were top performer, you were modestly rewarded for what you do and then you are given the opportunity to join one of the leading companies in the same industry - given that you'll have the chance to prove your worth amongst a lot of talent, have the chance to be recognised by your peers and that you'll be rewarded by earning probably 3 or 4 times the salary that you're currently on - you're saying you wouldn't take that opportunity?

 

Take the blinkers off for a moment and I can see why he went. Will it be the right move, well time will tell. Maybe he should have stayed to continue to develop with Saints for another season, but what regrets would he have if he stayed and picked up an injury in his next game. What is the price of loyalty - try asking Billy Sharp of S****horpe and see if he thinks he made the right decision. Btw, I don't know what his answer would be.

 

So to all those suddenly hating Oxo just because he's bettered himself, well it just sounds like your jealous.

 

Thanks for the decent reply, a rare occurance on this site nowadays.

 

I will try to be as polite as you have been, so please forgive any sachastic undertones, it's totally within my nature.

 

your example you give of 'if it were me' then I can answer honestly. I have been in this position, many times in fact. I have worked for small and medium companies, as well as large and my own. Every time I have begun a job, I have stayed to do the job I have been employed to do. As I work in IT, the industry has many ups and downs, I have been made redundat 4 times and let go when contracting for no recompense at all. I have only ever quit from 2 jobs, my college/uni job, did it for the full five years, and a bit more, before I got a proper job, for less money. But, that was because I knew I needed to start at the bottom. Then, this company relocated to Croyden, I didn't fancy it, so I left. Landed a job at the old DEC (Digital Equip Corp). Stayed there until they went bust, almost over night it happened. Got a job working for a large company but in a small, newly acquired subsidiary, for which I was the 12th employee. I stayed for 5 years until the work dried up and we were all beingm made redundant. I accepteds a role in a specialist company that did what I did.

 

basically, this carries on for the next 10 years. I now work for the largest IT company in the world and am on less now than I was when I was at the second largest IT company in the World and only a little more than when I worked for the third largest IT company in the World. Also, these last three jobs have been where they have found out that I am available, and call me, not the other way around. People in my industry know how good I am and respect my years of experience, even when I worked for the smaller companies, one in particular, and I would compare this with Saints in this scenario. And knowing what I did there, they want me to work for them. Money is not an important factor in this. In the real World, when you work for someone else, then your wages tend to rise with experience. You have to prove yourself first and then you go and play for their first team and you can handle it.

 

So, when I see little kids, such as AOX, demanding it all now, I do think, spoilt little brat. Earn your lumps first you fool. Because, someone that thinks you have poterntial does not always see potential in you, just your ability to make money for themselves, or reputation. You become a pawn in their game and are fed money to keep you under control. However, if you believe in yourself, you will always earn more by building experience. For example, how many bids have Arsenal had for Walcott in the last 4 years? And what value would they be if we haven't heard of them, derisary? Not more than they paid for him? Probably. So, Walcotts value has actually decreased and if he continues to be unsuccessful at a supposedly successful club and they think he doesn't fit anymore, then what? And going on a free from Arsenal, yeah, may get to play for Wigan or Bolton, no disrespect. And, due to lack of experience and being on a mega wage, due to the free or small transfer fee, then he will be a big fish in a little pond. But, he hasn't got the experience of playing week in week out, he hasn't been used to idol worship and the preasure of consistency and what losing means to these clubs. And if that becomes too much, what then? Championship, League 1 etc.

 

Now, some will say I'm over reacting or playing the negative card here, but, football is still a business and Walcotts return on his investment and his wages is out of balance, and I doubt if those in power at Arsenal see a value to this asset, and will ship him out pretty soon and certainly won't increase his wages. once this happens, he will have missed the boat and missed his opportunity to peak at the right time in the right place. Kevin Davis is a prime example of someone who stemmed the tide and I respect him for it. James Beattie is trying to, but, he is struggling. Not that these were s[poilt brats, just a Saints example of what happens if you peak at the wrong club at the wrong time.

 

So, AOC, his father should know better. Slowly slowly, catchy monkey. Build your locker, store your tricks and experience in their. Bide your time, be loyal, be reliable, gain trust in your ability from your team, above all, be a team player in a team game as not one player is bigger than the club.

 

He hasn't learnt, as Theo never learnt. Look how many of their own 10 year olds end up playibg for Arsenals first team, should give you a clue in how they develop their yopungsters. Look at the amount of trophies they've won since Wenger got rid of Wright, Bergkamp, Adams, Keown, Dixon, etc etc. All household names, all internationals, all loyal to Arsenal an all peeking at the right time at the right club. How many trophies have the new breed won?

 

This decision by AOC was ignited by his father and fuelled by money, a disaster waiting to happen.

 

Lastly, just to put the record straight, any player that leaves this club, I don't wish them any injury or career threatening event. With AOC, it leaves a bitter taste in the mouth when someone so young is so arrogant. And, it may be my age, but I believe you get what you deserve in this life, not what you stamp your feet for. His father has a lot to answer for.

 

Will AOC be great or a flop? I don't know. Do I wish him harm? absolutely not. Do I care how he gets on in the future? Absolutely not. He is an Anelka, he plays for the money, not for the game. Hope he enjoys his money, I have no issue with that, I earn more than enough and that is for the rest of my life not just a five year contract.

 

I support Saints AOC supports money, our ideals in life are different, I'm glad he's gone.

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John, its a detailed response, that's for sure! But I don't agree with you though that AOC's move is purely about money. It's a factor I'm sure, but I'm sure he's done it for footballing reasons primarily. I think it's primarily the way he's gone about engineering a move which has stuck in people's throats, rather than the actual move.

 

First of all, you say that you've always seen out a job. You could argue that Chamberlain has done the same. He wanted to leave at Xmas, talked to the club about a move and was convinced to wait until the summer. So he's done that, he hasn't left us in the lurch, the club knew he wanted to leave, assumed he would, and had 6 months to plan for that eventuality.

 

He's now moved to a club a league above us. We're 2 years into a 5 year plan to get to that league. So, judging by that plan, he could have just accelerated his progression to the top league by 3 years.

 

Take Walcott as an example, there's plenty of parallels between the two. In Walcott's first full season with Arsenal he played in more than 30 games. If AOC gets that many appearances then he'll have learnt a massive amount from playing at Premier League and Champions League level. Not to mention the huge benefit he'll gain from working with Wenger and alongside the quality international players in Arsenal's squad.

 

Also, look at Walcott. After signing for Arsenal, and without actually playing a game for their first team, he was called up for England and taken to a world cup. His exposure will be massively increased at a club like Arsenal and, whether you look at it rightly or wrongly, he's probably just accelerated his progression to the national team (Tom Cleverley is a point in case, not really noticed while out on loan but returns to Man U, plays 45 minutes in teh Communit Shield and gets called up for England).

 

So there's a huge number of footballing reasons to take into account before you get to the obvious financial benefits he'll see from the move.

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Interesting from Adkins tonight, it's the first time he's been questioned since the sale has gone through.

 

''He's a terrific lad, and he's now moved to Arsenal so we move on and look to the future. The Charmian has managed to be reimbursed with a very fair amount.

 

''What deals are going on in the background have not changed, what was going to happen will still happen even though Chamberlain has gone. Those deals would have happened anyway, we'll continue to do it quietly"

 

Let's hope those deals going on in the background, which were going to happen irrespective of Chamberlain, happen quite quickly! Interesting that it's "deals", plural...

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I think Arsenal fans will be even more un-happy as the more tranfer rumours come out for them. Dann from birmingham is the next one. Their fans will be jumping for joy at the thought of bringing a defender in from a relegated team. Add the loss of Fabregas and Nasri I can imagine their fans questioning the future of the club they fork out a small fortune to watch.

 

So with nearly £60m in the bank from the 2 leaving who would they be turning to to boost their ranks? League 1 17 year old winger and a relegated defender. Nice.

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I think Arsenal fans will be even more un-happy as the more tranfer rumours come out for them. Dann from birmingham is the next one. Their fans will be jumping for joy at the thought of bringing a defender in from a relegated team. Add the loss of Fabregas and Nasri I can imagine their fans questioning the future of the club they fork out a small fortune to watch.

 

So with nearly £60m in the bank from the 2 leaving who would they be turning to to boost their ranks? League 1 17 year old winger and a relegated defender. Nice.

 

Why is it relevant that Dann played for a relegated team? It is his qualities that are important, not how his teammates did collectively. Scott Parker plays for a relegated team, yet is an England international and won the sportswriters player of the season.

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Why is it relevant that Dann played for a relegated team? It is his qualities that are important, not how his teammates did collectively. Scott Parker plays for a relegated team, yet is an England international and won the sportswriters player of the season.

 

With a club like Arsenal with title ambitions, they need to be aiming much higher than Dann.

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Why is it relevant that Dann played for a relegated team? It is his qualities that are important, not how his teammates did collectively. Scott Parker plays for a relegated team, yet is an England international and won the sportswriters player of the season.

 

I'd be more worried about his injury proneness.

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Why is it relevant that Dann played for a relegated team? It is his qualities that are important, not how his teammates did collectively. Scott Parker plays for a relegated team, yet is an England international and won the sportswriters player of the season.

 

While he may well be a good player I would of thought the fans of a champions league hopeful team would not be too impressed when their club is not chasing champions league quality players.

 

Scot Parker looked amazing in a team managed by avram grant! Do you think he would have been as noticeable if he played for man u?

 

I know is its not easy but put yourself in the arsenal fans position. Man city, Barcelona, man u and so on are buying players that are known quality and will help them into the top 4 spots. Arsenal have bought a 17 year old league 1 winger and a relegated defender and are on the verge of losing 2 of their best players.

 

Happy or not so happy?

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Thanks John, good response and I know where you are coming from.

 

For what its worth, I think he has moved to early and sitting in the stands watching Arsenal play won't help him develop at all - you're right about not learning from what Walcott has done. That said, he may get blooded, do well and become a fixture (but I doubt it).

 

At the end of the day, only he (and his father) will know his true motivation for the move - if it's for the money or for the chance to play at the highest level we'll probably never know. Time will tell if he's made the right decision.

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Thanks John, good response and I know where you are coming from.

 

For what its worth, I think he has moved to early and sitting in the stands watching Arsenal play won't help him develop at all - you're right about not learning from what Walcott has done. That said, he may get blooded, do well and become a fixture (but I doubt it).

 

At the end of the day, only he (and his father) will know his true motivation for the move - if it's for the money or for the chance to play at the highest level we'll probably never know. Time will tell if he's made the right decision.

 

I don't think he will, you don't pay 12m+ up front to have a player sitting in the stands.

 

With the imminent departure of Nasri and Cesc, he will be a regular next year IMO.

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Thanks John, good response and I know where you are coming from.

 

For what its worth, I think he has moved to early and sitting in the stands watching Arsenal play won't help him develop at all - you're right about not learning from what Walcott has done. That said, he may get blooded, do well and become a fixture (but I doubt it).

 

At the end of the day, only he (and his father) will know his true motivation for the move - if it's for the money or for the chance to play at the highest level we'll probably never know. Time will tell if he's made the right decision.

 

Absolutely. It's good to have a proper discussion on here from time to time. I don't think it's all about money, just that the kid had his head filled with greatness. Who by? His dad, his agent, Arsenal agents. Then a massive wad of cash is waved under his nose (nowhere near as much as he'd get after 2 years here and if we got promoted and he was a star player). Arsenal have recognised the potential, but, unless they play him more in the first team than the reserves, he will not progress and he will become an also ran.

 

Someone quoted 30 appearances for Walcott in his first season. Hmm, I'd have to queerie that. Wasn't he sold in January then hardly played a game? Anyway,after watching Theo first hand, I did believe Arsenal were trying to replace Henry with him. And, with Theo playing up front for the England U-21 team, thought it was a good shout. Hasn't happened yet though and I believe Theo has wasted a lot of playing time. Se,e trouble with speed machines like Theo is, they break down a lot and sometimes they break down for good, ie Michael Owen. A less of a speedster like Lallana should last a little longer. AOC appears stronger than Theo, but, for those who think he won't get kicked so much in the Prem as opposed to the Championship are living in dreamland. How many broken legs in the Premiership last year in comparison to the Championship? Thing is, in the Prem, they mean to take you down, in the Championship, they'll kick you. One you get up from, the other you are supposed to stay down.

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