Panda Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Three thoughts on hearing this news. Puts the £12m ML paid for SFC into perspective! Good Luck to him, he was one helluva prospect and I feel Arsenal will not regret shelling out 15m in the long run. I think our promotion chances have lengthened with his departure. So you think the money will go to pay off the 'debt' we owe to Marcus rather than to strengthen the team obviously. You may be right but that may also prove to be a very hasty comment ... time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Some of the posts on here are a little bitter! We will miss him because he was a tremendous young talent, and I'm as ****ed off as anyone that we couldn't keep him. But at the same time that is counterbalanced by the unbelievable deal we have reached with Arsenal. 7m up front wouldn't be too bad, but 12m up front is sensational and this will help us strengthen the positions we need to with top level championship players. I'll miss seeing him on the right and the excitement he generated when he was running and beating players, but at least we got to see this lad play for a year and it's another real coup for this astonishing academy we have. We when lost theo for that price I didn't think we'd get anyone near that level again....then we got Bale....but then Alex's price has just blitzed both of those, so we can all be pretty optimistic and excited that there is another amazing young player just around the corner. For me, I take pride in seeing Bale rip up Inter Milan as it shows our club in a fantastic light, especially for any 10-15 year old kid looking for his first academy to join. I wish him all the best and I think he'll break through immediately and not hang around waiting like Theo. I'm sure we'll see him ripping up top teams in the champions league soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Loving this...not majorly fussed about him leaving, £12m what a result! Adam Lallana a much bigger player for us on and off the field with a fantastic attitude & dedication to a club he loves. If AOC heart wasn't in it then get rid...couple of good signings now for us. Sorted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 A very good player and I am disappointed I shall not see him on the wing for us this season. At least another year would have done him good. Will they never learn? Why would he want to play in front of a couple of hundred fans and a dog each week if not for the cash? First he has to dislodge Walcott, who also picks up a fair share of injuries and who cannot get in the team on a regular basis in any case. A great deal done by NC. Hey, perhaps we can get Theo back for a song! After all, he only went to the Arse to model himself on Thierry Henry and he has long gone. I wonder what his Dad thinks about it all now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Well, the day has finally arrived and Fratton man Mark Chamberlain's son has finally made his dad some money. The kid was a good player with serious potential but when a player wants to move to another team, especially when that happens to be in a higher league, which club in the world in the same situation as ours could stop him? Like other posters have mentioned all the clubs "have" to sell at some point. What I am happy is that we did it on our terms and for that once again massive credit has to go to our chairman, may we be blessed under his chairmanship for many many more successful years to come. What a difference this man has made to our good club in 2 years! The dosh is good and I have complete faith in how we as a club utilise it. Oh and one more thing, and its unfortunate to have to say it , but to all those cocks who are constantly looking at angles to attack the chairman, you are fools and if its not agenda driven, thick as two sh!ts with it. For saints, on to bigger, better and forward! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Gabriel's Halo Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 S Claridge now saying "he should have stayed with Saints for another 2 years and is not ready for Premiership" on 5 Live. Scots bloke saying Ar$e should have signed a 6' 4" CB and not "another diminutive winger". That's a short ar$e in plain English. I always thought SC spoke a lot of sense, you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 For me, I take pride in seeing Bale rip up Inter Milan as it shows our club in a fantastic light, especially for any 10-15 year old kid looking for his first academy to join. This. As for the nipper going for excellent money, I'm delighted. Like the majority I would have loved to have him stay but he was always going and I for one can't blame him, too good an opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Good luck to Alex. I hope he has a great career and goes on to bigger and better things and helps to turn around the fortune of our abysmal National team. Sorry, I won't join in the trend on the thread, it's a sad day when you lose a talent and I am sure that there will be weeks or months some years in the furture where many on here (maybe even me) will be forced to eat their words. This is a good deal without a shadow of a doubt and losing one talent is eased by the knowledge that we truly are now "self funding" (ie it stuffs the muppet skate posters bleating) Whether FF is right or not, it is a very interesting co-incidence, and again time will tell how that plays out. I think some of us will have a minor raised eyebrow of suspicion, but it will be past in a blink. Our club is now stable, united, playing excellent football, with a squad of players who are fit, have quality and motivation and are supported by a superb backroom staff. Let his Alex's leaving not be a thing of ridicule of Arsene but let it show the other kids coming through - make that next step, push on this year and next season... Make AOC regret his move as he watches from the bench as we outplay the Arsenil at the Emirates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cool Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 I was hoping AOC would stay on Nigel's bus, maturing as it trundles inexorably into the Premier League. Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin and Chamberlain would've been a great "young guns" midfield. Guess we'll just have to rough it with Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin and De Ridder (and loads of dosh). Ho Hum :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulstersaint Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Not too concerned - we looked good on Saturday without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 To be fair, money talks. He could break his leg tomorrow. No shame in taking jam today, mate. Agree, shame that the kid sought a quick move as he's worried about what might happen and how he might break a leg and ruin his career. He could be run over by a bus tomorrow if you think like that... Half decent footballer who is no way, right now, worth that sort of money. Good luck to him I say, but he's facing a good few years of doing feck all.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Yep. I remember the dark days when Askham and Branfoot gave away Shearer. Difference being this board care about the football, club progression & not lining their own pockets. They'll re-invest. Oh, not to mention this club finally has competent management. Good business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 I think our promotion chances have lengthened with his departure. You can tell you are the club historian as you always manage to put a pessimistic slant to your posts. Years of Saints letting you down have sent you over the top I reckon ;-) I dont agree by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 I am so impressed with De Ridder I have forgotten AOC already.....Good luck to the lad.... De Ridder will be a big star for us on the wing or up front... We have more talent coming through as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 NC made a great deal! The difference between what we paid for DeRidder and receive for Oxo is in no way reflective of the quality lost versus quality gained. Millions in the bank and DeRidder will be setting this season on fire. Oxo was alaways going to leave, this is a brilliant deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 I am so impressed with De Ridder I have forgotten AOC already.....Good luck to the lad.... De Ridder will be a big star for us on the wing or up front... We have more talent coming through as well.... An absolute steal for £1m, already a very good footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 An absolute steal for £1m, already a very good footballer. I like schteve....lightening quick and has shown some quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 An absolute steal for £1m, already a very good footballer. He's a very intelligent player, not quite sure I like him up top though...looked a little out of sorts there, I much preferred him on the right running at players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Use that money & bring in Maynard. Gorkss. Job done. I believe deals have been made already. Cortese isn't daft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 (edited) Everyone's happy AOC gets his dad's dream Saints get a truck load of cash NA gets to sign two or three players that will add to the team and help our promotion push My only further point is ...AOC £12m ...Adam Lallana ..worth a whole lot more ......and he isn't going anywhere (thank God) you have to ask yourself, if you were a premiership manager right now, what would you pay for chambo (knowing him like we do as saints fans) ..in my opinion he's worth about 5 or 6 million TOPS as an investment .... we have had an absolute result selling him for that some of money. Yeah he was exciting at times, but he was no finished product by a long shot, and probably far too lightweight for the premiership at the moment ...by the time he isnt, he would of spent most of his time on a bench rather than getting good experience and improving. Absolute steal .... At the end of the day, who's better, lallana or chambo? i know who id have any day of the week ...that must make lallanas price tag roughly 20 million If Chamberlain is worth £12m, Lalla is worth £24m. Edited 8 August, 2011 by Dark Munster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 shame, but hand on heart, if you were AOC or skate dad, what would you do? and I am all for skate bashing, but we might have been looking at the few having £15m to spend on new fans if skate dad had sent him to the poopey academy, wherever that is. if we can't make this deal work for us, then that is our fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 An absolute steal for £1m, already a very good footballer. Definite fan of his......Winger and striker.....Although he was pulled up by the ref...I thought he held the centr Half off admirably. He may have to adjust slightly but felt he was not going to let the man foul him everytime... Saints may well have a gem in De Ridder.......He is going to alarm most defences... Well done Saints... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 He's a very intelligent player, not quite sure I like him up top though...looked a little out of sorts there, I much preferred him on the right running at players. I think that was just to do a job on the day. I agree about playing wide right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary r Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Use that money & bring in Maynard. Gorkss. Job done. I believe deals have been made already. Cortese isn't daft! i think you could be right , we would not let him go until we had replacements ready to come in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 It's just as well to have it sorted and know where we are, now we can concentrate on the job of winning and not on all the specualation and worry which takes energy from management fans and team. But I will miss him and reckon he is star quality, if Torres was £50m the £12 is dead cheap he'll be worth more than Torres before long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Shame to see AOC leave, but if it turns out to be anything like £12 million+ that is an amazing bit of business by NC. I would of been relatively happy with £8 million+. Really dont think we need to spend all that money ourselves just yet, maybe a CB and striker for £4-6 million and keep the rest for January window if needed (just my opinion). But i certainly wouldn't try and guess what will happen on the transfer front, i feel at the moment we really are becoming so strong on and off the field! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Before I celebrate letting him go I would like to make a judgement on whether we spend the money and spend it correctly. Everyday at the mo it seems we are going to sign someone and nothing happens. Its not a good thing letting him go but 15 million is a lot for someone who hasnt hardly played a season. We have won pretty much every game since march when he was injured at charlton. I reckon we should sign a cb a cf and a quick winger. If de ridder or lallana get injured we arent that strong in that area now unless we keep punchon and even then we have no one with a lot of pace in midfield unless u include forte who isnt good enough to start. I believe we tried everything to keep him but he desperately wanted to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 (edited) I agree completely with that, Dave. My "rider" on this whole thing relates to what Cortese does with the money. We don't need to blow it all - we need to keep some up our sleeves. However, we certainly DO need to spend some of it if we want to challenge this year (which Saturday should have convinced us we can do). If we spend it wisely on the key areas (most agree on them) the AOC transfer would have been a brilliant piece of business. If we sit on the cash, if we get fleeced ourselves, or if we strengthen the wrong places, not so good. I'm looking at the squad rather than the finances. It's a balancing act, firstly no more than two or three, the team spirit is good so we need to preserve that, centre back, striker and maybe a proper all rounder. We don't need to waste money on big fees. There is still the Puncheon issue to resolve. Edited 8 August, 2011 by derry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazing Hangover Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Re: Newcastle - Its when you start selling your best players to a club in a league below that you really have to worry. AOC (and his pikey dad) will be better off financially, but football wise I think he will repent at leisure from his position on the development squad's bench and/or treatment table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 I think our promotion chances have lengthened with his departure. Really? What brings you to that conclusion? Surely if we use the money made from selling an unproven Championship player, and bring in 2 proven Championship players the odds will just shorten? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazing Hangover Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Also now everyone thinks we have 15 mill yer average league 1 clogger is now 3 mill plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Looks like De Ridder was the replacement very cleverly purchased before selling OC. I saw 14 good reasons on the pitch against Leeds not to be too upset by this. We will never keep people like him and it is therefore best policy to trade him for as much money as possible and use that money wisely to bring in good players who want to play for the club a la Ricky. Also use some of the money to grow some more prime cuts of meat for selling to clubs like Arse in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Ok... Good deal by NC in a situation that wa inevitable. No I dont blame anyone for 'cashing in' as if we are all totally honest what would we do... but there does come a point where 'greed takes over' - eg if you are earning 250K a year or so at 17, knowing that in a few ears time you will be on 3 or 4 mill a year... whats the rush? Also I am sure given teh way his dad (agent) was speaking in the media and the 'courting' by several clubs, I am sure we would in some respects have had a good case for 'tapping up', but like anyone in football with power really has teh balls to do anything about those issues.... Finally, we need to be realistic now. I honestly do not expect to see the club suddenly spend a fortune - I dont even think we will see anything else in signing terms this season... maybe a splash on youth or something in Jan if it looks like we are in the running - I believe NC will want to pay a chunk of the ML loan back, so we ease into debt free situation and with a strong and healthy balance sheet, that supports the long term vision. IMHO this is the RIGHT way to go about things - if we want to be seen as an example and have the moral high ground when it comes to criticising the Skates and otehr clubs who 'buy' their success on credit, then we need to practice what we preach. I know that there will be some who will be on NC's back if we dont suddenly spend big, but all that would be doing is setting us up for a fall in the future. We are NOT in the prem...yet... and our revenue is still largly dependent on the gate, so lets support a common sense approach and take pride in the fact that beciuse we invested wisely in a strong academy, we have arguably seen some of the best recent talent develop and create a great advert for saints. Even for those really cynical few who believe for some weird reason that the 5 year plan is to sell the club in the prem for a profit - If NC does that it will be bvecause we are a VERY atractive proposition, debt free, fantastic infrastructure and strong reputation for sound aand ethical business practice build on attractive football and youth.... so what would be wrong with that? I certainly cant see NC selling to some joker lot leveraging the club against third party debt... I honestly believe we are in very good hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Can we buy a centre-back now please? I seem to remember that Oxo has a younger brother on Saints books. Anyone know if he is anywhere near as good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Looks like De Ridder was the replacement very cleverly purchased before selling OC. I saw 14 good reasons on the pitch against Leeds not to be too upset by this. We will never keep people like him and it is therefore best policy to trade him for as much money as possible and use that money wisely to bring in good players who want to play for the club a la Ricky. Also use some of the money to grow some more prime cuts of meat for selling to clubs like Arse in the future. Id have thought we would have a much better chance of keeping players if we were in premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Can we buy a centre-back now please? I seem to remember that Oxo has a younger brother on Saints books. Anyone know if he is anywhere near as good? Not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWillie Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 would not be surprised if deals are already done with other players and can now go through as we have well and truly had one over on Arsenal. £15mill for a 17year old who hasn't played outside League 1......yes he's good but what a master stroke from NC.!!! Draw a line and move on (with loadsa dosh in the bank). All he'll do is warm the bench for a season or two when he could be showing how relaly good he is. Up the Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Ok... Good deal by NC in a situation that wa inevitable. No I dont blame anyone for 'cashing in' as if we are all totally honest what would we do... but there does come a point where 'greed takes over' - eg if you are earning 250K a year or so at 17, knowing that in a few ears time you will be on 3 or 4 mill a year... whats the rush? Also I am sure given teh way his dad (agent) was speaking in the media and the 'courting' by several clubs, I am sure we would in some respects have had a good case for 'tapping up', but like anyone in football with power really has teh balls to do anything about those issues.... Finally, we need to be realistic now. I honestly do not expect to see the club suddenly spend a fortune - I dont even think we will see anything else in signing terms this season... maybe a splash on youth or something in Jan if it looks like we are in the running - I believe NC will want to pay a chunk of the ML loan back, so we ease into debt free situation and with a strong and healthy balance sheet, that supports the long term vision. IMHO this is the RIGHT way to go about things - if we want to be seen as an example and have the moral high ground when it comes to criticising the Skates and otehr clubs who 'buy' their success on credit, then we need to practice what we preach. I know that there will be some who will be on NC's back if we dont suddenly spend big, but all that would be doing is setting us up for a fall in the future. We are NOT in the prem...yet... and our revenue is still largly dependent on the gate, so lets support a common sense approach and take pride in the fact that beciuse we invested wisely in a strong academy, we have arguably seen some of the best recent talent develop and create a great advert for saints. Even for those really cynical few who believe for some weird reason that the 5 year plan is to sell the club in the prem for a profit - If NC does that it will be bvecause we are a VERY atractive proposition, debt free, fantastic infrastructure and strong reputation for sound aand ethical business practice build on attractive football and youth.... so what would be wrong with that? I certainly cant see NC selling to some joker lot leveraging the club against third party debt... I honestly believe we are in very good hands. If we dont sign anyone it will I will be very dissapointed tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Id have thought we would have a much better chance of keeping players if we were in premier league. Not if it's one of the "big boys" who come knocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Arsenal fans seem pretty p*ssed off with this from what Ive read. Id like to see us spend big, if not now, then in the Jan window. Would be great to do a Norwich and go straight up. Anything can happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Arsenal fans seem pretty p*ssed off with this from what Ive read. Id like to see us spend big, if not now, then in the Jan window. Would be great to do a Norwich and go straight up. Anything can happen Lets see how happy they are tomorrow, 4th Official, the tweeter who mentioned the AOC deal this morning, says that Nasri is off to Man City now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Yep. I remember the dark days when Askham and Branfoot gave away Shearer. Me too, and then said Speedie and Dixon would be better, given the right coaching. Idiotic statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jimbo83 Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 All that money for someone who isn't even our best player. I'm glad it's finally been done and we can stop talking about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Lets see how happy they are tomorrow, 4th Official, the tweeter who mentioned the AOC deal this morning, says that Nasri is off to Man City now... They'll be fuming tomorrow! TBF I hope he does well and I hope the Arse do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Gutted he has left, he is rare talent that I would have loved to watch in the stripes for a season. Contrary to many posters on here I feel his departure will hurt us and affect our promotion hopes. Yes we won games without him last year and on Saturday, but there isn't a better wide right in the NPC in my opinion, so no matter who plays wide right the side will be weakened. We are going to have to buy players better than we have in two or three positions. Even with that money, it is not going to be easy. I hope de Ridder shines and any further money spent gets us the right guys. It's not impossible that we can get promoted on the back of this money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Wilshere? Walcott is effectively a regular Hmm, the lad he's banned from playing on Wednesday night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 (edited) I believe NC will want to pay a chunk of the ML loan back, so we ease into debt free situation and with a strong and healthy balance sheet, that supports the long term vision. IMHO this is the RIGHT way to go about things - if we want to be seen as an example and have the moral high ground when it comes to criticising the Skates and otehr clubs who 'buy' their success on credit, then we need to practice what we preach. I know that there will be some who will be on NC's back if we dont suddenly spend big, but all that would be doing is setting us up for a fall in the future. We are NOT in the prem...yet... and our revenue is still largly dependent on the gate, so lets support a common sense approach and take pride in the fact that beciuse we invested wisely in a strong academy, we have arguably seen some of the best recent talent develop and create a great advert for saints. you make a very good point and I think I agree with it, but if we don't take advantage of this crop of players now, Lallana especially, and add to them, is there not a chance that we miss our window? Also if we end up using all this money simply to cover wages, then shouldn't we be asking about the size of the wages we have been paying? I guess you have to spend big to keep Lallana and Davis etc. Edited 8 August, 2011 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint peter Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 good riddance to the glory seeking mercenary !!! ... Let's just see how well he can cope with the sudden pressure placed on his shoulders !!! (sure the old man must be happy with the pay check mind). A bloody great bit of business NC. Hope the proceeds are invested wisely to bolster our already good squad ... ONWARDS AND UPWARDS !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 At the end of the day it is only a good deal if we re-invest it. If we don't then we are a fair bit worse off. I have no doubt that Cortese will put a lot of that into a couple of new signings. I just hope they are brought in before the end of the transfer window. In January prices are badly inflated as clubs become desperate. Plus it means they have more time to settle into the squad. Alex will be a great player no doubt about it. He could go on to be one of the best players of his generation. But however you look at it £15m for a 17 year old who has only ever played in division three is crazy. The pressure on the lad is going to be huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickfinks Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 I bow at the feet of Nicola Cortese This and this only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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