S-Clarke Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 It's sad when the deputy of the MET is asking parents nicely to try and get their kids home... FFS, just order a curfew and anyone out causing trouble is fair game for some lawful force from the police It's totally pathetic really. They've not got any control over this, and it's quite scary if I'm honest. Who knows where this could lead, as it's totally and utterly out of control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 How does this effect a 14 year old skank? what is a "skank?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 (edited) If people insist on labelling this as simple thuggery, you might at least question why our society produces so many of them in the first place. The answers are myriad. Dissolution of traditional family units, lack of opportunities for the generation coming through, the high price and the perceived unattainably of degrees. I understand the feelings of posters on here who've started with humble beginnings and have worked hard to get where they are. I get that entirely. I have somewhat less sympathy for middle-class snipers taking another shot at the poor without really understanding their problems. Whichever group you might be from, by virtue of presumably being quite a bit older than these kids, you had better opportunities. Some of you will have lived in the golden age of employment, when it was possible to leave a job on Monday and get another on Tuesday. Some of you will have made your money when we still had a decent manufacturing base. The housing was more affordable; the prospects of owning one were greater. Some of you will have had your education paid for, in full. The youth today have got none of those things, and if were a kid today comparing what I've got with what we had, I'd probably be p*ssed off too. The prospects of our kids needs to be our number one priority. Simply labelling them as thugs is not the answer. Edited 8 August, 2011 by pap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 To all those slagging off the police, they're not doing anything for fear of being sued! Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Rioting in SLough now as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockportsaint Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 (edited) Apparently the Met have been warning Govt ministers for a year and more that this was on the cards. This tweeter pic sums up Cameron's probable thoughts: ++ BREAKING NEWS ++ : Prime Minister, David Cameron, releases emergency response to #LondonRiots http://twitpic.com/633c2d Edited 9 August, 2011 by stockportsaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team-saint Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Exactly, no-one is condoning the behaviour of the rioters but there is a reason why some boys become angry young men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockportsaint Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Rioting in SLough now as well. Send in the Eton Rifles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team-saint Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Turkish vigilante group attacking youths in Hackney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wokingsaints Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Simply labelling them as thugs is not the answer. at the moment, that is what they are, ferrel street rat thugs out to loot and take what is not theirs. if you want to go down the right on pc route...lack of opportunities etc.....just looking for an excuse rubbish.. everyone has the choice to be law abididing, the ferral rats on the streets tonight chose to break the law. send the dogs in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 If people insist on labelling this as simple thuggery, you might at least question why our society produces so many of them in the first place. The answers are myriad. Dissolution of traditional family units, lack of opportunities for the generation coming through, high price and perceived unattainably high degrees. I understand the feelings of posters on here who've started with humble beginnings and have worked hard to get where they are. I get that entirely. I have somewhat less sympathy for middle-class snipers taking another shot at the poor without really understanding their problems. Whichever group you might be from, by virtue of presumably being quite a bit older than these kids, you had better opportunities. Some of you will have lived in the golden age of employment, when it was possible to leave a job on Monday and get another on Tuesday. Some of you will have made your money when we still had a decent manufacturing base. The housing was more affordable; the prospects of owning one were greater. Some of you will have had your education paid for, in full. The youth today have got none of those things, and if were a kid today comparing what I've got with what we had, I'd probably be p*ssed off too. The prospects of our kids needs to be our number one priority. Simply labelling them as thugs is not the answer. Normally i would agree but i think the harsh reality is this is just an excuse now. These kids are not from the third world. They live in a society where if they don't want to work they will be looked after. Sure they won't get much cash on the dole but they don't care as they have no aspirations to be anything. If these people think what they are doing is ok then sorry they need to be taught it isn't. That is the problem. Society has got to the point where we make excuses for these people and try and look the other way. Everywhere you go you see them. For example in my village they hang out at the bus stop. I'm sure they do at most places. Every morning the local cleaner has to go and clean up their mess. Broken glass on the floor, burnt plastic, grafiti etc.. loads of rubbish all over the place. The sad thing is there is a bin right next to it.....these people would rather throw the trash on the floor then actually walk 1 meter and put it in the bin. Are you saying where these people come from determines if they have the brain understanding to know if rubbish goes in the bin or not? These kids come from rich families here. To me it always seems people try and find some excuse to say why it is not their fault when it is their fault. They make these decisions. The problem in my view is society has been too easy on them. Maybe that has something to do with EU laws who knows. But these thugs need to realise that if you act like this where you can break into shops/houses and loot or set something on fire you will have consequences for your actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 This is seriously horrendous stuff going on. I really feel for the people that live in london, and their livelihoods are just going up in flames for no reason what so ever. Spoke to a mate in streatham this evening who has a pharmacy, he has been contacted by the police and told that if his alarm goes off he is under no circumstances to go to the shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 at the moment, that is what they are, ferrel street rat thugs out to loot and take what is not theirs. if you want to go down the right on pc route...lack of opportunities etc.....just looking for an excuse rubbish.. everyone has the choice to be law abididing, the ferral rats on the streets tonight chose to break the law. send the dogs in It is possible to think there are deeper reasons for this happening, without in any way condoning it or thinking it's any excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 [video=youtube;sXcI-NL3Tro] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Shop windows have been smashed and looting has also taken place in Birmingham Crazy times!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Turkish vigilante group attacking youths in Hackney Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 If people insist on labelling this as simple thuggery, you might at least question why our society produces so many of them in the first place. The answers are myriad. Dissolution of traditional family units, lack of opportunities for the generation coming through, the high price and the perceived unattainably of degrees. I understand the feelings of posters on here who've started with humble beginnings and have worked hard to get where they are. I get that entirely. I have somewhat less sympathy for middle-class snipers taking another shot at the poor without really understanding their problems. Whichever group you might be from, by virtue of presumably being quite a bit older than these kids, you had better opportunities. Some of you will have lived in the golden age of employment, when it was possible to leave a job on Monday and get another on Tuesday. Some of you will have made your money when we still had a decent manufacturing base. The housing was more affordable; the prospects of owning one were greater. Some of you will have had your education paid for, in full. The youth today have got none of those things, and if were a kid today comparing what I've got with what we had, I'd probably be p*ssed off too. The prospects of our kids needs to be our number one priority. Simply labelling them as thugs is not the answer. It is simple thuggery. This is what the welfare state and benefits culture has created. These kids get no guidance from their parents, other than watch Jeremy Kyle and get drunk. You see these idiots cause misery on every estate in every city in the country and because the police have no powers to do anything about it, they carry on because there is no deterrent. If people were sent to prison to carry out the full term of their sentence, denied access to Xboxes and Playstations etc, then maybe they might think again. These people have choices like every one else, and they choose violence because they can get away with it, whilst everyone else just blames the police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 It's not really anything new though, is it. Crikey, I'm old enough to remember the mods and rockers and (just about) teddy boys. Then there were the spivs before that. There have always been, and always will be, groups of youths who will fight and cause mayhem for the sheer hell of it. It's not right but it's almost like it's a right of passage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Normally i would agree but i think the harsh reality is this is just an excuse now. These kids are not from the third world. They live in a society where if they don't want to work they will be looked after. Sure they won't get much cash on the dole but they don't care as they have no aspirations to be anything. If these people think what they are doing is ok then sorry they need to be taught it isn't. That is the problem. Society has got to the point where we make excuses for these people and try and look the other way. Everywhere you go you see them. For example in my village they hang out at the bus stop. I'm sure they do at most places. Every morning the local cleaner has to go and clean up their mess. Broken glass on the floor, burnt plastic, grafiti etc.. loads of rubbish all over the place. The sad thing is there is a bin right next to it.....these people would rather throw the trash on the floor then actually walk 1 meter and put it in the bin. Are you saying where these people come from determines if they have the brain understanding to know if rubbish goes in the bin or not? These kids come from rich families here. To me it always seems people try and find some excuse to say why it is not their fault when it is their fault. They make these decisions. The problem in my view is society has been too easy on them. Maybe that has something to do with EU laws who knows. But these thugs need to realise that if you act like this where you can break into shops/houses and loot or set something on fire you will have consequences for your actions. So if it's thuggery, why do we have so many thugs? Simple question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Turkish vigilante group attacking youths in Hackney attacking the youths that are stealing? Good, hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 It's not really anything new though, is it. Crikey, I'm old enough to remember the mods and rockers and (just about) teddy boys. Then were the spivs before that. There have always been, and always will be, groups of youths who will fight and cause mayhem for the sheer hell of it. It's not right but it's almost like it's a right of passage. I had you down as an educated lady BTF....its a rite of passage.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 I had you down as an educated lady BTF....its a rite of passage.... Oh yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 attacking the youths that are stealing? Good, hope so. Asians have also mobbed up in Green Street and are attacking rioters.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Asians have also mobbed up in Green Street and are attacking rioters.............. Good again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Oh yeah Just keeping you on your toes. I saw that dance instructor in woolston a few weeks ago, by the way. Still looks great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Good again. Whilst I agree that action needs to be taken against these idiots, I'm not sure running battles between different ethnic communities is going to make things any better in the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 I guess Tesco value rice is worth the risk of getting caught looting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 West Ham cup game off tomorrow!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 I guess Tesco value rice is worth the risk of getting caught looting! Just shows how poor some of these people are, bread, rice, and pasta are the main things a family need!! Could have gone higher than Tesco value though!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 So if it's thuggery, why do we have so many thugs? Simple question. Because there is no deterrent. They know they can get away with what they want. On the news they had a reporter who gave her opinion of what was going on. She said it was just a bunch of kids out trying to steal stuff from the shops. There was no political reason. They saw on tv what they could get away with. The more this is put on tv the more others see what they can do. That is possibly the reason why it is maybe starting in other areas. These kids know nothing will happen to them and that is why they do it. If the law was more stronger then they would think twice about it. These kids will one-day be the main generation of the country. Can you imagine what that will be like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 [video=youtube;sXcI-NL3Tro] I might go bargain hunting on ebay later. You can good good stuff from rioters, pc plod and the squaddies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Because there is no deterrent. They know they can get away with what they want. On the news they had a reporter who gave her opinion of what was going on. She said it was just a bunch of kids out trying to steal stuff from the shops. There was no political reason. They saw on tv what they could get away with. The more this is put on tv the more others see what they can do. That is possibly the reason why it is maybe starting in other areas. These kids know nothing will happen to them and that is why they do it. If the law was more stronger then they would think twice about it. These kids will one-day be the main generation of the country. Can you imagine what that will be like? So what laws would you change to increase the deterrent? Lock more people up? Keep them in worse conditions? Hang people? The problem with most of the deterrents that people suggest is that they don't really deter. Look at the US. States without the death penalty have consistently lower murder rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 It is simple thuggery. This is what the welfare state and benefits culture has created. These kids get no guidance from their parents, other than watch Jeremy Kyle and get drunk. You see these idiots cause misery on every estate in every city in the country and because the police have no powers to do anything about it, they carry on because there is no deterrent. If people were sent to prison to carry out the full term of their sentence, denied access to Xboxes and Playstations etc, then maybe they might think again. These people have choices like every one else, and they choose violence because they can get away with it, whilst everyone else just blames the police So you would rather spend money locking people up than addressing the root cause of the problem? Ultimately, any problem this country has with its youth is a result of what we, or our ancestors have done. I think we owe them better solutions than the one that you propose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Took the daughter & her fiance until 10"30 to get home from work in Central London tonight. They live out in Essex at the end of the Cental Line. Phew as a Dad. The mess is just opportunism for those darlings from Anarchy UK & the chance to get a new telly from Comet if you had your hoody on. BUT let's face it at the moment the world is a mess, jobs are being ****ed away along with anyone's Private Sector Pensions. The Brits are still paying for the bankers orgy of indulgence & The Germans are about to find out that their future is going to be p1ssed away to save the crook southern med. How long before Ghaddafi & Assad implement no fly zones over the EU as people wake up to what a bunch of greedy morons have done to their lives. Tonight is about criminals in hoodies, I just have a nagging doubt that next time it will be more than that somewhere in EU. Be safe people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 My sister has been evacuated and is going to a hotel with her female fried and her elderly father. Just ran out of battery so cannot ring until they have reached the hotel. Am worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 http://www.twitvid.com/4JTZH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 There has been a shooting in Croydon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 So what laws would you change to increase the deterrent? Lock more people up? Keep them in worse conditions? Hang people? The problem with most of the deterrents that people suggest is that they don't really deter. Look at the US. States without the death penalty have consistently lower murder rates. Personally i would change the laws where if you are out breaking into shops then you do so at your own risk. In other countries people know if they loot they risk being shot. Why should we be any different? Sure that sounds heavy handed but if they were not in the shop they would not be shot right? The laws need to change to stop protecting the person who commits the crime. To mention what some guy said on the news what would of happened if say these guy's went off to one of the museums? They just let them walk in and take away the priceless objects? So we spend billions on security to stop thieves breaking in but when it is a mob we just ignore it? You can try and defend them and call them what you want but these are just opportunist kids who went out trying to steal from shops and burn down buildings putting lives at risk. If you lived there and it was your house burnt down i doubt you would be so understanding. Even less so when you find out they caught the kid who did it and let him go with a slap on the wrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 It is amazing that there are no reports of significant injuries in the last 2 nights... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Reports of a disturbance in Lodge Lane, Liverpool. That's about a mile and a half away from me. Can't see anything yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Feral youth who have no respect for any kind of authority. It's time to stop being so soft and get tough on these scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Took the daughter & her fiance until 10"30 to get home from work in Central London tonight. They live out in Essex at the end of the Cental Line. Phew as a Dad. The mess is just opportunism for those darlings from Anarchy UK & the chance to get a new telly from Comet if you had your hoody on. BUT let's face it at the moment the world is a mess, jobs are being ****ed away along with anyone's Private Sector Pensions. The Brits are still paying for the bankers orgy of indulgence & The Germans are about to find out that their future is going to be p1ssed away to save the crook southern med. How long before Ghaddafi & Assad implement no fly zones over the EU as people wake up to what a bunch of greedy morons have done to their lives. Tonight is about criminals in hoodies, I just have a nagging doubt that next time it will be more than that somewhere in EU. Be safe people I gave up on my pension long ago tbh. Should have paid off the mortgage instead. Bastards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 My sister has been evacuated and is going to a hotel with her female fried and her elderly father. Just ran out of battery so cannot ring until they have reached the hotel. Am worried. I am sure they will be ok, these people are more interested in causing mayhem and stealing from business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Personally i would change the laws where if you are out breaking into shops then you do so at your own risk. In other countries people know if they loot they risk being shot. Why should we be any different? Sure that sounds heavy handed but if they were not in the shop they would not be shot right? The laws need to change to stop protecting the person who commits the crime. To mention what some guy said on the news what would of happened if say these guy's went off to one of the museums? They just let them walk in and take away the priceless objects? So we spend billions on security to stop thieves breaking in but when it is a mob we just ignore it? You can try and defend them and call them what you want but these are just opportunist kids who went out trying to steal from shops and burn down buildings putting lives at risk. If you lived there and it was your house burnt down i doubt you would be so understanding. Even less so when you find out they caught the kid who did it and let him go with a slap on the wrist. I live about a mile and a half from an area where things are allegedly going off now. The missus is scared - she lived through the 1981 riots we had here. I've got some perspective, but I stand by my views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 How long til the safamptan yoof get involved in this ****...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Whilst I agree that action needs to be taken against these idiots, I'm not sure running battles between different ethnic communities is going to make things any better in the long term. you're absolutely right and I stand corrected. However, whatever the ethnicity, these sh1theads causing this need a good pasting. The problem is it could turn racial.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 My sister has been evacuated and is going to a hotel with her female fried and her elderly father. Just ran out of battery so cannot ring until they have reached the hotel. Am worried. I am sure they will be ok, these people are more interested in causing mayhem and stealing from business. Smirkers right hypo, I'm sure you'll hear from them when they get to the hotel. The riots are more driven by money and theft than any interest in attacking women and pensioners. Must be horribly scary for them though, I hope theyre ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Monkey Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 How long til the safamptan yoof get involved in this ****...? Not long I'd imagine. We do have an impressive amount of c*nts in this city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 It's not really anything new though, is it. Crikey, I'm old enough to remember the mods and rockers and (just about) teddy boys. Then there were the spivs before that. There have always been, and always will be, groups of youths who will fight and cause mayhem for the sheer hell of it. It's not right but it's almost like it's a right of passage. What's been happening the last couple of days is in a whole different league to anything any of those you mentioned did. I'm just trying to read this again - "it's just a right of passage" - I assume you do have a tv? A right of passage, f*****g hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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