pap Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/immigration So er, you don't have any ideas of your own then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 So er, you don't have any ideas of your own then? Basically replace immigration with deportation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Basically replace immigration with deportation. Would you like Apartheid in the UK Stanley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Basically replace immigration with deportation. What would be your qualification for deportation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Would you like Apartheid in the UK Stanley? Who would you send 'home', Stanley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Croydon is braced for rioting tonight. Old bill everywhere, riot vans out and about and shops being closed down and boarded up. Large groups of blacks hanging around today, although that's normal for around here, mind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Would you like Apartheid in the UK Stanley? Who needs apartheid when you've got our multicultural ghetto societies. The whole expiriment has failed and now we've got to live with the mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Croydon is braced for rioting tonight. Old bill everywhere, riot vans out and about and shops being closed down and boarded up. Large groups of blacks hanging around today, although that's normal for around here, mind you. Mates of yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Any updates on gangs starting to form up in Chandlers Ford,. I will be driving through later and want to be safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Stuff going on in Hackney too. Boys from all races from what I see on the TV reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 I might head out tonight, may be able to loot FootLocker and get a brand new pair of Nike Air Max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithd Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Kicking off in Fair Oak. Yoof hanging around Social Centre or whatever it's called in Blackberry Drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Was watching it on the BBC but Takeshi's Castle is on, so I've switched over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Today's issues of the Guardian and the 'I'. I guess we will just have to wait and see when the full ballistics report is published. Unlike others on here, I'll have no problem retracting my assumption if I'm proved wrong. There seems to be a lot of faith being pinned on this Guardian article. Bearing in mind they are fairly anti police and this allegation has come from a "source" then waiting for the outcome of the IPCC inquiry is probably the safest bet. I saw "killing an innnocent man" mentioned earlier (by yourself I think), but these guys have a split second to think and react and intelligence suggests that they had been following Duggan for some time and that he was possibly going to commit a revenge killing. He was not a fine upstanding citizen by any means, but that doesn't mean he should have been shot. Easy to judge when you aren't in that situation. Some say that the weapon was inside a sock and therefore not ready for use. Guns can be fired through socks, the sock would act as a filter for any residue left by firing so as to try and disprove that it was the weapon used. As to the allegations levelled that a senior officer failed to speak to the family. Well, you would be lucky to find any "senior" officer around on a Saturday in the first instance, though there would have been someone on call, but as there would have been a few footy matches as well as the rugby on Saturday, it's also conceivable that they were already tasked to be dealing with those situations. Irrespective of that, if these youths are so disaffected then trashing and looting the area is not the way to show it. This was merely an excuse for hooded gangsta types to take advantage of a situation and destroy the livelihoods of others who still have to live in that area. Oh and anyone with any knowledge of modern policing would know that they are so tied up with being ultra PC, multi cultural and diverse that they have to justify everything they do. In triplicate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Pedro Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 At the public meeting Victoria Ward is attending: here was an incredulous laugh when someone told how she heard a grown woman discussing on the bus how she planned to head back into town tonight to swap the clothes she looted from H&M last night for some better ones. Someone else told how a man who had stolen a TV had later been robbed on the street. "That's karma," he said. This, along with rumours of Birmingham and Croydon being next on the list this evening, just goes to show that :- 1. It has nothing to do with the "cuts", like that toad Ken Livingstone was going on about this morning 2. Nobody is prepared to take responsibilty these days - and I mean parents, teachers, the police, and of course, whichever govt happens to be in power. Isn't about time, parents took more responsibiilty for their kids - e.g. don't give them mobile phones so early, take an interest in what they are doing and where they are going in the evening etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Very senior police officer just been on the news saying that the family should have had its questions answered by a senior officer / IPCC sooner. I realise that the IPCC can't respond immediately, because a lot of forensics would have to be carried out but all it needed was someone senior to talk to the family to explain what was happening, and what had to happen. Had someone done that, instead of ignoring the family for nearly 48 hours, maybe a lot of this would have been averted. I don't think the Guardian is 'anti police'. It IS against police officers who are racist or crooked as are most normal people. What it does do is report on situations more accurately and in an unbiased way, unlike the usual knee-jerk screaming banner headlines of the likes of the Mail. Incidentally, although the 'riots' in Hackney were probably not caused by this, it transpires that some tensions arose due to a stop and search. I still think the 'rioters' are bored, disaffected (probably) teenagers who see the opportunity to do a bit of thieving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 so, why are people rioting in lewisham and islington tonight then... we are seeing police are scared to act in a harsh way as people will complain and the press will tear them to pieces... its sad when the police have their hands tied and stand there while people openly loot and steal stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Very senior police officer just been on the news saying that the family should have had its questions answered by a senior officer / IPCC sooner. I realise that the IPCC can't respond immediately, because a lot of forensics would have to be carried out but all it needed was someone senior to talk to the family to explain what was happening, and what had to happen. Had someone done that, instead of ignoring the family for nearly 48 hours, maybe a lot of this would have been averted. I don't think the Guardian is 'anti police'. It IS against police officers who are racist or crooked as are most normal people. What it does do is report on situations more accurately and in an unbiased way, unlike the usual knee-jerk screaming banner headlines of the likes of the Mail. Incidentally, although the 'riots' in Hackney were probably not caused by this, it transpires that some tensions arose due to a stop and search. I still think the 'rioters' are bored, disaffected (probably) teenagers who see the opportunity to do a bit of thieving. The rioters are bored teenagers, they have no interest in the story of the ***** getting shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 poor mr duggen (who was shot)...he was cared for so much by his protesting mates...there are 3 whole bunches of flowers where he died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 - Update (Croydon): Best Buy has just been smashed in, and looters have been inside for over half an hour now, only 2 police officers have turned up and they've been forced away from the building and surrounding area. Police are also under attack in Lewisham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 The rioters are bored teenagers, they have no interest in the story of the ***** getting shot. Which is what I've said on at least 3 occasions! See that TDD? That's why you've heard that other areas might kick off too. They're kids, climbing on a bandwagon. A bit like fights kicking off after football matches; mindless lemming-like behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 - Update (Croydon): Best Buy has just been smashed in, and looters have been inside for over half an hour now, only 2 police officers have turned up and they've been forced away from the building and surrounding area. Police are also under attack in Lewisham. i was on the bus near Hammersmith last night mate, all these rude boys at the back with the most annoying loud birds in tow going on about it was going to start in shepherds bush and they wanted Westfield.....good luck with that , all black / mixed, aged 15-20 i'd say , all classic london estates , i'd love to see it kick off with them and riot squad and watch a few of them take a hiding, pic in todays sun on page 7 of some bird getting nicked, brilliant she looks like typical gobby sIag who abuses the bus driver when he won't let her on with her creditless oyster card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 so, why are people rioting in lewisham and islington tonight then... we are seeing police are scared to act in a harsh way as people will complain and the press will tear them to pieces... its sad when the police have their hands tied and stand there while people openly loot and steal stuff The police are damned either way. If they come down hard on these thugs they're labelled racist, but these guys are out there literally putting their lives on the line to protect the public for scant respect or reward from many people. If they stop and search someone, they have to fill a bloody form out to justify why they have done it, but none of these thieves has to justify why they consider it okay to start causing public order problems and then go thieving. The police have been hamstrung for years by the politically correct policies of Tony Blair and his colleagues and it's sort of all coming home to roost now. If you ask a senior officer in the Met about anything he'll probably talk about diversity because all they want to do is get higher up the greasy pole of success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 i was on the bus near Hammersmith last night mate, all these rude boys at the back with the most annoying loud birds in tow going on about it was going to start in shepherds bush and they wanted Westfield.....good luck with that , all black / mixed, aged 15-20 i'd say , all classic london estates , i'd love to see it kick off with them and riot squad and watch a few of them take a hiding, pic in todays sun on page 7 of some bird getting nicked, brilliant she looks like typical gobby sIag who abuses the bus driver when he won't let her on with her creditless oyster card. Haha, so true. I've got a mate who was in the centre of Croydon by chance and is now on the phone telling me what's going on as he watches from the end of the road. He hasn't seen a single white person involved now, and apparently a the 'lads' are shouting 'PDC' which I think is a gang in Croydon that stands for 'Poverty Driven Crew' Have just watched scenes from Hackney in Sky news and a black lad in a Nike tracksuit got a riot shield smashed in his face, and he fell to the floor. This made me happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Bloody amateurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 The police are damned either way. If they come down hard on these thugs they're labelled racist, but these guys are out there literally putting their lives on the line to protect the public for scant respect or reward from many people. If they stop and search someone, they have to fill a bloody form out to justify why they have done it, but none of these thieves has to justify why they consider it okay to start causing public order problems and then go thieving. The police have been hamstrung for years by the politically correct policies of Tony Blair and his colleagues and it's sort of all coming home to roost now. If you ask a senior officer in the Met about anything he'll probably talk about diversity because all they want to do is get higher up the greasy pole of success so what happened under the thatcher years when riots started,tony blair has nothing to do with it- most of that scum are just lowlife scum black and white troublemakers and criminals . we have alot of nasty scum in society .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 get the OB who did the Saints v Pompey game up there, some of the poor sods they arrested only shook a fence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 This is obviously been simmering for a while, too many kids with no money, no job and no hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 This is obviously been simmering for a while, too many kids with no money, no job and no hope. still no excuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 still no excuse No excuse, but possibly an explanation. Too many people with nothing to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 No excuse, but possibly an explanation. Too many people with nothing to lose. so have many in millbrook..or shirley warren....or in countless parts of the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Problem with cities like London is there's too much lower-class and too much upper-class about. There's little divide, as the middle-classes commute in to work in the city whereas the lower-classes can't afford to do that and the upper-classes have all the expensive property in the city. No wonder these kids are just generally p!ssed off, the shooting was just the spark in the tinder box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 so have many in millbrook..or shirley warren....or in countless parts of the UK Police are always shooting people dead down Millbrook... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 There are unverified twitter accounts of rioting near the Bullring, Birmingham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 My mates facebook status: just on the S3 and heard three boys the same age as my sister say "Nah fam, da riots aint gunna hit Epsom coz das full of posh c*nts init".. WOW.. you f*cking dim witted pr!cks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Might be bogus: ……We have not seen any incidents, but will have extra officers on patrol in the centre and suburbs this evening. Thank you. We are aware of unsubstantiated messages on Twitter, Facebook and BBM about disorder at 6pm in Birmingham this evening…… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Kinda reminds me of the classic Sublime tune... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Haha, so true. I've got a mate who was in the centre of Croydon by chance and is now on the phone telling me what's going on as he watches from the end of the road. He hasn't seen a single white person involved now, and apparently a the 'lads' are shouting 'PDC' which I think is a gang in Croydon that stands for 'Poverty Driven Crew' Have just watched scenes from Hackney in Sky news and a black lad in a Nike tracksuit got a riot shield smashed in his face, and he fell to the floor. This made me happy. You'll be gald Oxo's left then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Disaffected youths? No, they come from like-minded families who have too many kids from various fathers and don't instill the correct mindset in them. Some of these are young kids, right? My Mum knew where I was at all times until say, 17 when I went to uni. She was scary - that's how it should be. No respect, too many of them having more kids than "normal" people, i.e. normal people like on here, regardless of opinion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 You'll be gald Oxo's left then No, it made me happy because he was a wannabe gangster pr*ck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Mindless scrotes, the lot of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 No excuse, but possibly an explanation. Too many people with nothing to lose. The only explanation for this is that there are young criminal thugs out there taking advantage of the situation to cause more mayhem. They have scant respect for the law because they know that even if they get charged with anything, they will at best get a rap on the knuckles. The criminal justice system in this country is a joke and they know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-scooby Posted 8 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Its going to be a busy night for the ole bill, have heard ebay will be charging extra for listings while the lootings take place..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Personally, I don't think the shooting has anything to do with the riots. Not for most of the people involved anyway. They're all clearly anarchists who feel now is the time to work together and take out all ther issues they have (probably from their criminal pasts) on the police. Either way it's all pretty disgraceful, and sadly I can see it spreading to other cities around the country in the coming days and weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Personally, I don't think the shooting has anything to do with the riots. Not for most of the people involved anyway. They're all clearly anarchists who feel now is the time to work together and take out all ther issues they have (probably from their criminal pasts) on the police. Either way it's all pretty disgraceful, and sadly I can see it spreading to other cities around the country in the coming days and weeks. It's inner London black gangs. They hang around on their estates constantly doing things in groups and now they've got the chance to act up they're taking it. It has got nothing to do with the shooting at all! 200 youths attacking police at West Croydon station currently, have seen a few pictures and it appears to be getting worse too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Watching it on TV right now. Burning cars in Hackney. Unprecedented numbers of officers being shipped in from other forces. Reports of Birmingham trouble coming in (on BBC news now) River Island and/or Footlocker and/or JD being smashed up. Bullring and Birmingham New Street both on lockdown. ( [url=]http://lockerz.com/s/127818415[/url] ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 so, why are people rioting in lewisham and islington tonight then... we are seeing police are scared to act in a harsh way as people will complain and the press will tear them to pieces... its sad when the police have their hands tied and stand there while people openly loot and steal stuff I imagine. like at footie, they will be filming everyone, and nicking them later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Spread to Birmingham. I feel this may end up being similar to the French unrest in 2005 in the way it spreads and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 Croydon - Nandos, Argos and Primark looted and set on fire, 200 youths rampaging on the high street robbing anyone in sight. There have been a number of reported stabbings too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 8 August, 2011 Share Posted 8 August, 2011 (edited) There is rioting in Brum Adidas, Orange and T-Mobile stores trashed. Edited 8 August, 2011 by manji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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