Tottenham riots

[Verbal]

Some excellent shots on Channel Four News of EDL supporters getting their just desserts for attacking police in Eltham last night.

[dune]

I don't know that even that is true. 'Blacks' as a broad category are no better or worse. The fastest short-distance black runners in world athletics tend to be of West African descent and from the US and the Caribbean. If there were some biological component to their being faster than whites, say, then today's West Africans, from the countries the slave trade operated in, such as Mali and Senegal would also be up there in the medal positions. They are, however, nowhere near.

 

It's not 'natural selection' that leads to black US and Caribbean runners being faster - it's bad old human intervention. To be targeted as a slave, you had to be healthy and otherwise physically marketable. Then you had to be strong enough to survive the awful slave ships. And finally you had to be strong enough to live through the life of a slave on the plantations. After all this, is it any surprise that the descendants of people who been through all this turned out to have been selected for better than average physical attributes lie short-distance speed?

 

Interesting, and for once a sensible post from Verbal.

 

However I prefer to base my opinions around scientific study and not the theories of Verbal. Here is some interesting research.

 

http://library.flawlesslogic.com/iq.htm

 

I'm a firm believer in many evolutionary theories to explain the above. We all know the story of the Malagassy Republic breaking away from continental Africa and the subsequent evolutionary differences that occured due to the isolation, so in my view it's logical that such evolutionary differences occured with our species. Where this becomes contentious for the Liberal Elite is when IQ differences come into the equation. Arthur Jensen explains in The g Factor how evolutionary factors could have potentially contributed to racial IQ gaps. Jensen points out that larger and more complex brains are very metabolically expensive, so they evolve only when they provide a strong selective advantage. According to Jensen, as early humans migrated out of Africa, the need to adapt to colder climates created a stronger selective pressure for intelligence in Europe and Asia than existed in Africa.

[CB Saint]

I don't know that even that is true. 'Blacks' as a broad category are no better or worse. The fastest short-distance black runners in world athletics tend to be of West African descent and from the US and the Caribbean. If there were some biological component to their being faster than whites, say, then today's West Africans, from the countries the slave trade operated in, such as Mali and Senegal would also be up there in the medal positions. They are, however, nowhere near.

 

It's not 'natural selection' that leads to black US and Caribbean runners being faster - it's bad old human intervention. To be targeted as a slave, you had to be healthy and otherwise physically marketable. Then you had to be strong enough to survive the awful slave ships. And finally you had to be strong enough to live through the life of a slave on the plantations. After all this, is it any surprise that the descendants of people who been through all this turned out to have been selected for better than average physical attributes lie short-distance speed?

 

IIRC Colin Jackson did a documentary on this asking why the best sprinters tend to be of afro caribean extraction. Genetics and environment both played a part. I do agree it probably has something to do with human intervention, but I wonder if it has more to do with training and coaching opportunities in the US and Jamaica compared to those in west africa, than survival of the fittest over a relatively short evolutionary period.

[Verbal]

Interesting, and for once a sensible post from Verbal.

 

However I prefer to base my opinions around scientific study and not the theories of Verbal. Here is some interesting research.

 

http://library.flawlesslogic.com/iq.htm

 

I'm a firm believer in many evolutionary theories to explain the above. We all know the story of the Malagassy Republic breaking away from continental Africa and the subsequent evolutionary differences that occured due to the isolation, so in my view it's logical that such evolutionary differences occured with our species. Where this becomes contentious for the Liberal Elite is when IQ differences come into the equation. Arthur Jensen explains in The g Factor how evolutionary factors could have potentially contributed to racial IQ gaps. Jensen points out that larger and more complex brains are very metabolically expensive, so they evolve only when they provide a strong selective advantage. According to Jensen, as early humans migrated out of Africa, the need to adapt to colder climates created a stronger selective pressure for intelligence in Europe and Asia than existed in Africa.

 

Even by your standards, you have no idea how stupid you look quoting the widely discredited psychologist Arthur Jensen.

 

As for the Stanford-Binet test, it has had to be repeatedly revised eliminate the eugenics influence of the'Stanford' part of it - the notorious Lewis Terman, whose connection to Nazism and the Final Solution is quite interesting. (I'm sure it's of great interest to you) In any case, it's widely acknowledged by professional psychologists that IQ tests measure IQ, not intelligence. No one has found a reliable way of measuring intelligence. And not even the authors of The Bell Curve (you'll have to look it up - but don't bother reading because it's too big a book for you) have ever claimed a genetic cause of bell curve distributions.

 

There are some hopelessly reactionary psychologists, like the thankfully retired Richard Lynn, who peddle this crap (and I have to say that link looks like it's plagiarised from one of his books) - but no one with ANY understanding of this subject takes him or his faux-evolutionary theories remotely seriously. No surprise that you do.

[dune]

IIRC Colin Jackson did a documentary on this asking why the best sprinters tend to be of afro caribean extraction. Genetics and environment both played a part. I do agree it probably has something to do with human intervention, but I wonder if it has more to do with training and coaching opportunities in the US and Jamaica compared to those in west africa, than survival of the fittest over a relatively short evolutionary period.

 

Agreed. Climatic conditioning is also a factor in my opinion. Those who have evolved in the Ethiopian Highlands have had to adapt to coping with the thin air and it's my view that this is why they make good long distance runners.

[JackFrost]

IIRC Colin Jackson did a documentary on this asking why the best sprinters tend to be of afro caribean extraction. Genetics and environment both played a part. I do agree it probably has something to do with human intervention, but I wonder if it has more to do with training and coaching opportunities in the US and Jamaica compared to those in west africa, than survival of the fittest over a relatively short evolutionary period.

 

I think this is a big factor. I remember hearing when Usain Bolt met Cristiano Ronaldo when he was at Man Utd. Apparently Bolt saw Ronaldo sprinting and couldn't believe in his own words how bad Ronaldo's sprinting technique was. After showing him a thing or two Ronaldo changed his technique and became far quicker over 100m overnight. And this for the best football player in the PL at the time

[dune]

Even by your standards, you have no idea how stupid you look quoting the widely discredited psychologist Arthur Jensen.

 

"All the studies had several things in common: All were based on large population samples, all measured a broad range of mental abilities, and all included black-white breakdowns of their various subtests."

 

You remind me of the freaks in Americas Bible Belt that still believe in Adam and Eve and consider the theories of Charles Darwin to be blasphemy.

 

The science may not suit your political agenda, but there it is.

[Verbal]

IIRC Colin Jackson did a documentary on this asking why the best sprinters tend to be of afro caribean extraction. Genetics and environment both played a part. I do agree it probably has something to do with human intervention, but I wonder if it has more to do with training and coaching opportunities in the US and Jamaica compared to those in west africa, than survival of the fittest over a relatively short evolutionary period.

 

I'm not suggesting survival of the fittest (a non-Darwinian term) over a short evolutionary period - merely that successful black sportsmen in the US are descended on the whole from slaves of West African origin. Certainly training and fitness regimes make a difference, but not even the most eminent geneticists like Steve Jones (with whom I've had the pleasure of discussing this issue) have any idea how you get at a 'genetic' component that says that fast runners are fast because they are black.

[Verbal]

"All the studies had several things in common: All were based on large population samples, all measured a broad range of mental abilities, and all included black-white breakdowns of their various subtests."

 

You remind me of the freaks in Americas Bible Belt that still believe in Adam and Eve and consider the theories of Charles Darwin to be blasphemy.

 

The science may not suit your political agenda, but there it is.

 

You have a long way to go before you sound sensible on this. Of course there are large population samples in the US for IQ tests and the respective bell curves - because everyone there does IQ tests. However, the sampling is extremely poor elsewhere. For example, Lynn based his so-called racial hierarchy on IQ results which purported to show one group of African scored very low. In fact, the IQ test was carried out in a nunnery in an entirely different country.

[dune]

You have a long way to go before you sound sensible on this. Of course there are large population samples in the US for IQ tests and the respective bell curves - because everyone there does IQ tests. However, the sampling is extremely poor elsewhere. For example, Lynn based his so-called racial hierarchy on IQ results which purported to show one group of African scored very low. In fact, the IQ test was carried out in a nunnery in an entirely different country.

 

I'm not talking about Lynn - you are. I'm talking about Arthur Jensens research based on large population samples, all measured a broad range of mental abilities, and all included black-white breakdowns of their various subtests.

[Verbal]

I'm not talking about Lynn - you are. I'm talking about Arthur Jensens research based on large population samples, all measured a broad range of mental abilities, and all included black-white breakdowns of their various subtests.

 

Lynn is too much even for you? That IS funny. And you WERE talking about Lynn - you just didn't know it.

 

As for Jensen, please explain the genetic component of his research - and get at least a working knowledge of the theories underpinning IQ.

Edited 11 August, 2011 by Verbal

[dune]

Lynn is too much even for you? That IS funny. And you WERE talking about Lynn - you just didn't know it.

 

As for Jensen, please explain the genetic component of his research - and get at least a working knowledge of the theories underpinning IQ.

 

I'm really not interested enough to read up on the subject, but was replying to Gemmels request.

[CB Saint]

I'm not suggesting survival of the fittest (a non-Darwinian term) over a short evolutionary period - merely that successful black sportsmen in the US are descended on the whole from slaves of West African origin. Certainly training and fitness regimes make a difference, but not even the most eminent geneticists like Steve Jones (with whom I've had the pleasure of discussing this issue) have any idea how you get at a 'genetic' component that says that fast runners are fast because they are black.

 

It's more to do with fast twitch muscle fibres which seem to be more prevalent in people from a west african ancestry. This is an interesting read http://run-down.com/guests/je_black_athletes_p2.php

[Special K]

At least the rioting seems to have petered out, just like this thread. And like the political aftermath, this thread is left with a couple of blokes waving their tapered little bell-ends at each other.

[pap]

It's more to do with fast twitch muscle fibres which seem to be more prevalent in people from a west african ancestry. This is an interesting read http://run-down.com/guests/je_black_athletes_p2.php

 

Isn't selective breeding a factor in this? I remember reading that slave owners would breed the strongest and fittest of their slaves together to get 'better' slaves down the generations.

[CB Saint]

Isn't selective breeding a factor in this? I remember reading that slave owners would breed the strongest and fittest of their slaves together to get 'better' slaves down the generations.

 

maybe, though i have no idea how many generations you would have to "breed" to make a significant difference.

[Verbal]

It's more to do with fast twitch muscle fibres which seem to be more prevalent in people from a west african ancestry. This is an interesting read http://run-down.com/guests/je_black_athletes_p2.php

 

A theory advanced by a journalist, which rather undermines it. Here's the view of an eminent physiologist in Scientific American:

 

Instead of sifting through fragmented, conflicting data on the rise of black athletes in sports, Entine seeks to prove his case by presuming his conclusion is true, then supporting it with selected evidence. Such a "proof" would be reasonable, were it not for his claim of reliance on the "scientific method." It is a disingenuous claim. The book does not even attempt to examine a robust data set, evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of the information, or come to an evenhanded conclusion. Instead Entine chooses to spare his readers the ambiguities of robust data, which form the core of a scientific inquiry.

Edited 11 August, 2011 by Verbal

[Verbal]

At least the rioting seems to have petered out, just like this thread. And like the political aftermath, this thread is left with a couple of blokes waving their tapered little bell-ends at each other.

 

Which reminds me - "Crivens"???

[aintforever]

Interesting, and for once a sensible post from Verbal.

 

However I prefer to base my opinions around scientific study and not the theories of Verbal. Here is some interesting research.

 

http://library.flawlesslogic.com/iq.htm

 

I'm a firm believer in many evolutionary theories to explain the above. We all know the story of the Malagassy Republic breaking away from continental Africa and the subsequent evolutionary differences that occured due to the isolation, so in my view it's logical that such evolutionary differences occured with our species. Where this becomes contentious for the Liberal Elite is when IQ differences come into the equation. Arthur Jensen explains in The g Factor how evolutionary factors could have potentially contributed to racial IQ gaps. Jensen points out that larger and more complex brains are very metabolically expensive, so they evolve only when they provide a strong selective advantage. According to Jensen, as early humans migrated out of Africa, the need to adapt to colder climates created a stronger selective pressure for intelligence in Europe and Asia than existed in Africa.

 

May be true, but scientists have also proven that left wing thinkers are more intelligent than right wingers. Given your extreme right wing views I would say that makes you less intelligent than the average black fella.

 

How do you like them apples?

[Wade Garrett]

Interesting, and for once a sensible post from Verbal.

 

However I prefer to base my opinions around scientific study and not the theories of Verbal. Here is some interesting research.

 

http://library.flawlesslogic.com/iq.htm

 

I'm a firm believer in many evolutionary theories to explain the above. We all know the story of the Malagassy Republic breaking away from continental Africa and the subsequent evolutionary differences that occured due to the isolation, so in my view it's logical that such evolutionary differences occured with our species. Where this becomes contentious for the Liberal Elite is when IQ differences come into the equation. Arthur Jensen explains in The g Factor how evolutionary factors could have potentially contributed to racial IQ gaps. Jensen points out that larger and more complex brains are very metabolically expensive, so they evolve only when they provide a strong selective advantage. According to Jensen, as early humans migrated out of Africa, the need to adapt to colder climates created a stronger selective pressure for intelligence in Europe and Asia than existed in Africa.

 

You really are a mad bastard if you believe that.

 

Do you believe in a Master Race? I reckon you do.

[trousers]

May be true, but scientists have also proven that left wing thinkers are more intelligent than right wingers.

 

I take it John Prescott was out of the country when these scientists conducted this survey?

[Wade Garrett]

I take it John Prescott was out of the country when these scientists conducted this survey?

 

Or his Tory double, Eric Pickles (just trying to add some balance).

[JackFrost]

Anyone see Prescott on QT last night?

 

He was having a pop at all the bankers/rich and privileged people/anyone going to private school being at fault for a lot of the social instability.

 

This coming from er Baron Prescott. . . it was hypocrisy at its finest

[Special K]

Which reminds me - "Crivens"???

 

[Saintandy666]

Anyone see Prescott on QT last night?

 

He was having a pop at all the bankers/rich and privileged people/anyone going to private school being at fault for a lot of the social instability.

 

This coming from er Baron Prescott. . . it was hypocrisy at its finest

 

That's not really what he said. One of the other guys blamed state schools for the violence, so he pretty much said(paraphrase) 'hold on, private schools have produced their fair share of people that have caused problems for society'. Not really bashing them as such, more just putting the same bash back at the other guy.

[trousers]

Anyone see Prescott on QT last night?

 

Aye. Interesting debating technique. Shout as loudly and agressively as you can at the posh people.

[Special K]

Aye. Interesting debating technique. Shout as loudly and agressively as you can at the posh people.

 

Two Jags also beats up the proles, so he can't be accused of discrimination.

[trousers]

Two Jags also beats up the proles, so he can't be accused of discrimination.

 

Oh aye. His lack of sophistication is indeed very consistent.

 

[ecuk268]

Lynn is too much even for you? That IS funny. And you WERE talking about Lynn - you just didn't know it.

 

As for Jensen, please explain the genetic component of his research - and get at least a working knowledge of the theories underpinning IQ.

 

Jensen received a large amount of funding from the Pioneer Group, which that lefty rag -The Sunday Telegraph - described as "a neo-Nazi organisation closely integrated with the far right of American politics.

 

So it could be argued that he has an incentive to give them what they want.

[Verbal]

Jensen received a large amount of funding from the Pioneer Group, which that lefty rag -The Sunday Telegraph - described as "a neo-Nazi organisation closely integrated with the far right of American politics.

 

So it could be argued that he has an incentive to give them what they want.

 

Funnily enough Pioneer also funded Lynn. The Fund has been declared a 'hate group' in the US. I have had the severe displeasure of meeting its current president J Philippe Rushton.

Edited 12 August, 2011 by Verbal

[Viking Warrior]

I see the do-gooders are now banging on about human rights forthe way some of these thugs are being dealt with.Part of this is to do with the potential use of a water cannon. What about our rights all of the innocent people will face increased insurance policies etc inthe future due tothose thugs. They didnt give any thought to the human rights on the guy who has just died trying toput out a fire.

 

While Im on human rights. If someone is convicted of murder and get convicted they then appeal on numerous occassions claiming their human rights have been violated all on legal aid. I donthave a problem on the initial trial being funded by tax payers money but the high priced lawyers who put in these appeals should fund these appeals ona win and we will reimburse you basis. Lets see how strong their case is then . Imsure they only take on these cases because they get pots of taxpayers money to do so

[Turkish]

Funnily enough Pioneer also funded Lynn. The Fund has been declared a 'hate group' in the US. I have had the severe displeasure of meeting its current president J Philippe Rushton.

 

Do you have the same therapist?

[JackFrost]

The most ludicrous comment on QT last night was a toss up between a woman saying that the Met had deliberately delayed police getting to riots and held them back when they were there so the rioters could maximise the damage so the government could push in "more authoritarian legislation", and a bloke saying we not only stop their benefits but should also seize all of the rioters private property to pay for all the damage they called.

Edited 12 August, 2011 by JackFrost

[Special K]

The most ludicrous comment on QT last night was a toss up between a woman saying that the Met had deliberately delayed police getting to riots and held them back when they were there so the rioters could maximise the damage so the government could push in "more authoritarian legislation", and a bloke saying we should seize all of the rioters private property to pay for all the damage they called.

 

I thought they were doing their old mate the Dirty Digger a favour. All this rioting at least got his ex-employees off the front pages.

[Verbal]

I see the do-gooders are now banging on about human rights forthe way some of these thugs are being dealt with.Part of this is to do with the potential use of a water cannon. What about our rights all of the innocent people will face increased insurance policies etc inthe future due tothose thugs. They didnt give any thought to the human rights on the guy who has just died trying toput out a fire.

 

While Im on human rights. If someone is convicted of murder and get convicted they then appeal on numerous occassions claiming their human rights have been violated all on legal aid. I donthave a problem on the initial trial being funded by tax payers money but the high priced lawyers who put in these appeals should fund these appeals ona win and we will reimburse you basis. Lets see how strong their case is then . Imsure they only take on these cases because they get pots of taxpayers money to do so

 

Who are these dogooders exactly? Aside, that is, from the straw men you like to throw up for the sake of a weak argument.

 

And I'm not aware of any defence against a murder charge that goes along the lines of: yes I killed XX, but to sentence me for it would be against my human rights.

 

One other tip, Viking. If you're thinking of becoming a lawyer and want to make pots of money, don't become a criminal lawyer.

[aintforever]

The most ludicrous comment on QT last night was a toss up between a woman saying that the Met had deliberately delayed police getting to riots and held them back when they were there so the rioters could maximise the damage so the government could push in "more authoritarian legislation", and a bloke saying we should seize all of the rioters private property to pay for all the damage they called.

 

Though that woman was talking nonsense I do think that these riots have left the door open for the old bill to take away more of our rights and be more aggressive at football. Hope it doesn't happen but I wouldn't be surprised.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

Who are these dogooders exactly? Aside, that is, from the straw men you like to throw up for the sake of a weak argument.

 

And I'm not aware of any defence against a murder charge that goes along the lines of: yes I killed XX, but to sentence me for it would be against my human rights.

 

One other tip, Viking. If you're thinking of becoming a lawyer and want to make pots of money, don't become a criminal lawyer.

 

come off it, if we didn't have straw men arguments on here we'd have no need for the 'the lounge'.

[Saintandy666]

The people demanding the rioters lose all Benefits and Social housing are absolute morons. What about dependents? And just think for a moment... these people are basically rioting because they have nothing to lose and nothing else to do. If chuck all of them on the street with no money and no homes, what are they going to do? We need to start caring for everyone and that means going in to these communities and doing some good old education.

 

Nope, normal justice will be fine. Send them to jail, give them community service. But once that is done, their debt as with all crimes is repaid to society and they should have another chance.

[JRM]

The people demanding the rioters lose all Benefits and Social housing are absolute morons. What about dependents? And just think for a moment... these people are basically rioting because they have nothing to lose and nothing else to do. If chuck all of them on the street with no money and no homes, what are they going to do? We need to start caring for everyone and that means going in to these communities and doing some good old education.

 

Nope, normal justice will be fine. Send them to jail, give them community service. But once that is done, their debt as with all crimes is repaid to society and they should have another chance.

 

they have nothing to lose because they know they'll keep their cushty council property, if they knew they could lose that then they would have something to lose, but agree it couldn't work due to dependants unfair to punish them for others crimes.

[Saintandy666]

they have nothing to lose because they know they'll keep their cushty council property, if they knew they could lose that then they would have something to lose, but agree it couldn't work due to dependants unfair to punish them for others crimes.

 

To be honest, life on benefits and in social housing isn't that cushty. But my point still is(even if they don't have dependent's), you can't just take away all the support because it won't help anything at all. You'll literally just end up with them on the streets again with even less of a stake in society. It'd lead to more trouble.

[JRM]

To be honest, life on benefits and in social housing isn't that cushty. But my point still is(even if they don't have dependent's), you can't just take away all the support because it won't help anything at all. You'll literally just end up with them on the streets again with even less of a stake in society. It'd lead to more trouble.

 

bring back the workhouses!! (only slightly joking) there should be more work that people can do for free while on benefits to booster their CVs and make themselves more attractive to employers, roles that would offer something to the local community at the same time.

i look at my finance firm, where we have "community" days every year, going out to spend a day improving the local area like painting and building stuff at a local school, doesn't take much training and good fun.

[Saintandy666]

bring back the workhouses!! (only slightly joking) there should be more work that people can do for free while on benefits to booster their CVs and make themselves more attractive to employers, roles that would offer something to the local community at the same time.

i look at my finance firm, where we have "community" days every year, going out to spend a day improving the local area like painting and building stuff at a local school, doesn't take much training and good fun.

 

I do sort of agree with your sentiments. I definitely think there is community work people on unemployed benefits could do. Just look at the Alphabet agencies of the 1930's in America. The CCC or the Civilian Conservation Corps. Basically, people who were unemployed were paid a basic wage(though low, a bit like benefits I guess) and were made to do community work in return. The CCC was all about forestry work though obviously it doesn't have to be restricted to that!

[trousers]

To be honest, life on benefits and in social housing isn't that cushty. But my point still is(even if they don't have dependent's), you can't just take away all the support because it won't help anything at all. You'll literally just end up with them on the streets again with even less of a stake in society. It'd lead to more trouble.

 

Totally agree.

[trousers]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025141/Hazel-Blears-riot-blunder-She-asks-Why-kids-school-Sky-News-interview.html

 

[Saintandy666]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025141/Hazel-Blears-riot-blunder-She-asks-Why-kids-school-Sky-News-interview.html

 

 

Massive fail! I'm not a particular fan of Hazel Blears though, something about her grates me.

[trousers]

This should keep the thread going for another few pages....

 

RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: The politics of envy was bound to end up in flames

 

Much more of this and I’ll have to go out and loot myself a new television. There have been several times this week I’ve come close to putting my foot through the plasma screen.

 

Frankly, I don’t know what’s worse: Harriet Harman on Newsnight disgracefully trying to blame the Tory ‘cuts’ for this week’s robfest, or the rolling news channels giving airtime to masked criminals.

 

Why have producers been prepared to allow young thieves to shelter their identities beneath face masks, sunglasses and hoodies while they complain about the police?

 

The BBC and Channel 4, in particular, have been anxious to portray these violent thugs and looters as victims. We’ve heard the usual garbage about social exclusion and police hostility to minorities.

 

Every lame excuse has been trotted out, from lack of job opportunities to tuition fees. As I wrote on Tuesday, there’s no lack of job vacancies, it’s just that they’ve all been filled by hard-working Eastern Europeans attracted here after Labour tore up Britain’s border controls.

 

The kind of hooligan seen throwing petrol bombs at the police and climbing through the front window of Currys to liberate 42 inches of hi-def, surround-sound home entertainment isn’t interested in a law-abiding, nine-to-five existence. Most of them don’t get up before midday, except on the mornings they have to sign on the dole. They’d rather live on benefits or the proceeds of gang crime.

 

Yet we are told that if only the Coalition hadn’t slashed spending on youth clubs, they’d all have a more wholesome outlet for their energies and wouldn’t be tempted into crime and disorder. Do me a favour. We’re talking about a wolfpack of feral inner-city waifs and strays who spend their time smoking dope, drinking lager and playing Grand Theft Auto on their stolen PlayStations. The soundtrack of their lives comprises wealthy, bling-laden rappers, surrounded by near-naked booty, singing about smacking *****es and killing cops.

 

Are we seriously being asked to believe that they are going to turn their backs on the glamorous gangsta lifestyle in exchange for a little light table tennis? Yeah, right.

 

There was a hand-wringing report on the local news in London which involved a social worker taking a BBC reporter on a tour of derelict playgrounds and boarded-up five-a-side football pitches.

 

The reason they’ve been abandoned is not because of the ‘savage cuts’, as the report would have had you believe, but because they have been firebombed, vandalised and colonised by drugs dealers.

 

Plenty of the rioters on the streets this week are of school age. Few of them even bother going to school, so they’re hardly going to sign up for a youth club. The idea that they’re protesting about tuition fees is beyond preposterous.

 

Up went the cry: where are the parents? Don’t be so naive. The babyfathers are long gone, if they ever hung around in the first place. In most cases, their mothers are stuck in front of daytime television or are out on the game to feed their drugs habit. Some of the parents were out looting alongside their offspring.

 

The realisation is finally dawning in some quarters that we’re now into the third, or even fourth generation of inner-city underclass. There are plenty of decent mums on some of these estates, but they are fighting a daily losing battle against the gang culture.

 

As Max Hastings and Melanie Phillips have argued eloquently on these pages, this is the inevitable outcome of 30 years of Left-wing social experimentation, aimed deliberately at destroying the social fabric of our country.

 

Many of those politicians attacking the Met’s sluggish response to the riots have spent their careers undermining and emasculating the police. They have created the conditions for this anarchy.

 

The police are hamstrung by legislation and terrified of being accused of racism. So it’s hardly surprising that instead of clubbing these looters like baby seals, which is what they deserved, they initially stood back and watched while shops were plundered and homes burned down.

 

Just wait for the witch hunt against those Manchester officers caught on camera battering a troublemaker to the ground, even though the law-abiding citizens of Manchester and beyond were cheering to the rafters.

 

The notion that all this was provoked by deprivation is nonsense. Many of those who have already appeared in court are opportunist thieves who hold down proper jobs. Even the unemployed are well-fed, designer-clad and shod, and equipped with the latest digital technology.

 

One of the most ridiculous TV clips was a young, blinged-up black man telling London mayor Boris Johnson that ‘de yoof’ had to riot because they ‘had no food in dem bellies’. It’s a wonder McDonald’s in Brixton is still in business.

 

Boris hasn’t exactly covered himself in glory this week. His Barnum & Bailey circus act is wearing thin. Instead of undermining Call Me Dave over police ‘cuts’, he could have pointed out that Labour closed more than 500 police stations, one for every week it was in office, and passed ridiculous regulations which denuded our streets of a visible law enforcement presence.

 

Labour’s attempts to make political capital out of the disorder have been little short of outrageous. The majority of the rioters have grown up since 1997. They are Labour’s children.

 

Ed Miliband may have made a few of the right noises, but he can’t help looking like a teenage rioter whose mum has made him put on a suit for his court appearance. Harriet Harman and Red Ken have plumbed new depths of cynicism, even by their own shameless standards. And has it occurred to Ed Balls that every time he blames ‘the rich’ for all Britain’s ills, his words are echoed by rioters as justification for torching small businesses?

 

He may claim he’s having a pop at bankers and non-doms, but on the streets the ‘rich’ are anyone who has achieved something in life, from the owners of the local family furniture store to the proprietors of Patel’s Multimart and Papandreou’s Hair Salon — anyone, in fact, who is perceived to have more than them.

 

This is where the politics of envy and class hatred end up. In flames. Parliament was recalled, though goodness knows why. Few of them looked as if they wanted to be there. More passion and anger was generated over phone-hacking. Cameron handled himself pretty well after recovering from a false start, when he hesitated to interrupt his Tuscan holiday.

 

Now the Prime Minister has a once-in-a-career chance to seize the initiative, free up the police to tackle crime properly, build more prisons, scrap the Yuman Rites Act, bring in far more radical welfare reform than is currently being proposed, and use the tax and education systems to promote stable two-parent families.

 

The public mood is behind him and if the Lib Dems throw a hissy fit he could tell them to go to hell and call an election. He’d be up against the BBC and the entire ‘liberal’ establishment, but he’d win.

 

Sadly, I fear he won’t take this brief opportunity, any more than the courts will hand down exemplary sentences to those rioters who have been apprehended. Predictably, some have already been let off with small fines and conditional discharges.

 

Probation officers are probably ordering a fleet of coaches to take the ring-leaders to Alton Towers to teach them the error of their ways. Why not just cut out the middle man and buy them all a nice flat-screen TV, instead.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2025021/UK-riots-2011-The-politics-envy-bound-end-flames.html#ixzz1Up3zGGg5

Edited 12 August, 2011 by trousers

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I bet he wobbles his head as he writes.

[Saintandy666]

'As Max Hastings and Melanie Phillips have argued eloquently on these pages, this is the inevitable outcome of 30 years of Left-wing social experimentation, aimed deliberately at destroying the social fabric of our country.'

 

Yes, Labour deliberately and maliciously went out to destroy the country. Jesus Christ, even if you don't agree with them, you have to say that they do what think is right! And hold on, 30 years... let's see 1981-2011. MOST OF THAT TIME WAS UNDER CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT. In particular... Ms Maggie Thatcher, and you bet she was a fan of 'left wing experimentation'.

 

As for the rest, I don't think I can even begin to address it yet. It is too god damn ridiculous.

[trousers]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2024284/UK-riots-2011-Liberal-dogma-spawned-generation-brutalised-youths.html

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As andy correctly points out, most of the 'years of liberal dogma' have been Tory years in the last three decades. This is just one of the Mail's gasket-blowing rants.