Tottenham riots

[saintsmike25]

Back to the actual discussion of riots near us. I've seen a heavier Police presence today, it seems like people are expecting something soon. Some people have said there's a helicopter flying around on Twitter, and last night there were fires started. From what I can see it's local gangs starting trouble and getting in on it.

[trousers]

Interesting copper's view on the situation.

 

http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/

 

 

He's not a fan of Hazel Blears it would seem:

 

"For now, the action has moved to Manchester. This is bad because it gives capital-gains-tax-avoider Hazel Blears another opportunity to stun us all with her amnesia over the fact that it was her appalling diversity nonsense which basically caused the entitlement culture responsible for these kinds of riots in the first place."

[trousers]

Back to the actual discussion of riots near us. I've seen a heavier Police presence today, it seems like people are expecting something soon. Some people have said there's a helicopter flying around on Twitter, and last night there were fires started. From what I can see it's local gangs starting trouble and getting in on it.

 

Where are you?

[Sour Mash]

Thanks Bletch, exactly what i was trying to convey.

The Dell was going to be demolished, there was going to be an auction to sell the seats etc. The mob took over that day and i saw even the seats in the dug out being carried away. It was not our property and could be seen as looting. Normal decency was left behind as people ripped out the seats anyway the could. You are right that perhaps (not excusing it in anyway) that some may have been draged in who would bnever normally do so

 

Mob took over that day? No it didn't you berk. If anything the day was too quiet, too chilled out and too slow paced. There were stewards stood around perfectly happy while people took parts of the ground. Not one person had a complaint about the day. I couldn't care less what your odd ball memory or morals might be telling you now, you senile old fool, you didn't do harm to one single individual or organisation by taking your seat so get over it for f***s sake!

[Verbal]

Gutted, as was excited about hearing the reports of vandalism and robbery that day, innocent people intimidated and property owners gutted by the destruction of their property. All I can remember is everyone having a laugh together, stewards and club officials happy for people to take what they want and the club seeing the day as a massive success and a great day in our history Don't ever post about Saints or Saints fans again, you utter, utter cretin.

 

It is relevant though. The psychology of crowds is all about disinhibition. Your flying into an apoplectic rage is a kind of one-man riot, though - or more precisely, a tantrum.

[saintsmike25]

The reports of a helicopter are unconfirmed on Twitter. I haven't actually seen one, but i'm in Portswood.

[ecuk268]

Mob took over that day? No it didn't you berk. If anything the day was too quiet, too chilled out and too slow paced. There were stewards stood around perfectly happy while people took parts of the ground. Not one person had a complaint about the day. I couldn't care less what your odd ball memory or morals might be telling you now, you senile old fool, you didn't do harm to one single individual or organisation by taking your seat so get over it for f***s sake!

 

I still have my old seat and a piece of the Dell pitch is growing happily in my lawn.

[OldNick]

Mob took over that day? No it didn't you berk. If anything the day was too quiet, too chilled out and too slow paced. There were stewards stood around perfectly happy while people took parts of the ground. Not one person had a complaint about the day. I couldn't care less what your odd ball memory or morals might be telling you now, you senile old fool, you didn't do harm to one single individual or organisation by taking your seat so get over it for f***s sake!

Lol senile old fool, you are not wrong there.

You miss the point , and so perhaps you and me are a pair of senile old fools

[Sour Mash]

I still have my old seat and a piece of the Dell pitch is growing happily in my lawn.

 

Scum!

[Sour Mash]

It is relevant though. The psychology of crowds is all about disinhibition. Your flying into an apoplectic rage is a kind of one-man riot, though - or more precisely, a tantrum.

 

Yes, I fully understand the psychology of crowds thanks, it's not that complicated. So tell us about these mobs and crowds at the Brighton game? The whole thing was so far off being a "mob" it's not even funny. Some people around me took their time during the game slowly and carefully unscrewing their seat to keep it intact, completely oblivious to what those around them were/weren't doing, the stewards (Guardians of the club in practice on the day) watched on perfectly happy with what was happening, some people didn't bother with their seats because they just couldn't be @rsed. I fully understand your comparison about the behavious of individuals in crowds doing stuff that they may not do otherwise as an individual, but you're seriously barking up the wrong tree with this one I'm afraid old son. Better luck having a dig at Saints fans on your next attempt.

Edited 10 August, 2011 by Sour Mash

[Sour Mash]

Lol senile old fool, you are not wrong there.

You miss the point , and so perhaps you and me are a pair of senile old fools

 

I fully understand the point - see my response to Verbal.

[dune]

Welldone to the EDL Millwall fans for protecting their streets. Scenes like this put some pride back into the country. Total respect from me.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8692872/London-riots-far-right-political-party-protect-Eltham-residents.html

[saintbletch]

Lol senile old fool, you are not wrong there.

You miss the point , and so perhaps you and me are a pair of senile old fools

 

A classy handling of a class-less post.

[JRM]

A classy handling of a class-less post.

 

Not classy at all, any one comparing last game at The Dell to the looting scum should be banned from this website, disgusting attack on saints fans.

[holepuncture]

Welldone to the EDL Millwall fans for protecting their streets. Scenes like this put some pride back into the country. Total respect from me.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8692872/London-riots-far-right-political-party-protect-Eltham-residents.html

 

It brought a tear to my eye, a pat on the back for all.

 

Here is some more footage:

 

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/eltham-hasnt-been-touched-riots-were-doing-the-job-the-police-14827861/

 

These brave souls are putting themselves in harms way taking these savages to task

[Verbal]

Yes, I fully understand the psychology of crowds thanks, it's not that complicated. So tell us about these mobs and crowds at the Brighton game? The whole thing was so far off being a "mob" it's not even funny. Some people around me took their time during the game slowly and carefully unscrewing their seat to keep it intact, completely oblivious to what those around them were/weren't doing, the stewards (Guardians of the club in practice on the day) watched on perfectly happy with what was happening, some people didn't bother with their seats because they just couldn't be @rsed. I fully understand your comparison about the behavious of individuals in crowds doing stuff that they may not do otherwise as an individual, but you're seriously barking up the wrong tree with this one I'm afraid old son. Better luck having a dig at Saints fans on your next attempt.

 

 

I find your reaction interesting. I have heard several justifications like this from those who took part in the looting. It's not that I'm condemning what you did - I have not said that, nor am I having a dig at Saints fans. Your perception of this betrays nothing more than your shallow, thin-skinned and unreflective rage. What I am saying is that there IS an underlying, shared psychology here, as much as you hate the thought of it and tip your toys out of the pram at the temerity of anyone - including those who were there - who suggests that there is ANYTHING in common with what happened at the Dell and in London.

[Sour Mash]

I find your reaction interesting. I have heard several justifications like this from those who took part in the looting. It's not that I'm condemning what you did - I have not said that, nor am I having a dig at Saints fans. Your perception of this betrays nothing more than your shallow, thin-skinned and unreflective rage. What I am saying is that there IS an underlying, shared psychology here, as much as you hate the thought of it and tip your toys out of the pram at the temerity of anyone - including those who were there - who suggests that there is ANYTHING in common with what happened at the Dell and in London.

 

You're one of the oddest posters on here which really takes some doing.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Interesting copper's view on the situation.

 

http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/

 

He points out that officers asked for assurance that they would not be "served up like PC Harwood" if they charged the rioters and a rioter was injured.

 

Senior officers would not give that assurance.

 

PC Harwood wasn't 'served up', he assualted an innocent bystander!

[Verbal]

You're one of the oddest posters on here which really takes some doing.

 

Again, interesting. You have quite a gang mentality. i guess I'm not in yours.

[pap]

You're one of the oddest posters on here which really takes some doing.

 

Completely agree. Verbal actually reads posts before responding to them.

 

Verbal : bit more knee-jerk reaction and name calling please, and ffs, try not to think too much.

[Verbal]

Completely agree. Verbal actually reads posts before responding to them.

 

Verbal : bit more knee-jerk reaction and name calling please, and ffs, try not to think too much.

 

Check.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

It brought a tear to my eye, a pat on the back for all.

 

Here is some more footage:

 

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/eltham-hasnt-been-touched-riots-were-doing-the-job-the-police-14827861/

 

These brave souls are putting themselves in harms way taking these savages to task

 

Isn't that what we pay the police for? Let them do their job EDL scum, you will cause even more trouble...which is probably what they wanted in the first place. Any excuse to give some black guy a good hiding!

[Saintandy666]

PC Harwood wasn't 'served up', he assualted an innocent bystander!

 

Exactly. I hope he goes down for manslaughter because that is what it was.

[OldNick]

Not classy at all, any one comparing last game at The Dell to the looting scum should be banned from this website, disgusting attack on saints fans.

Lol it is not an attack on saints fans, it is how I saw my actions now on reflection.

[bridge too far]

Lol it is not an attack on saints fans, it is how I saw my actions now on reflection.

 

Glad you shared it with us, Nick. Sadly, some people have tunnel vision and just don't understand the point you were making.

[Thedelldays]

just heard on the news that one of the looters currently behind bars is a teaching assistant with a well paid job in london....

 

lol....BTF..how does this sit with you..?

[pap]

Lol it is not an attack on saints fans, it is how I saw my actions now on reflection.

 

HOW COULD YOU?!! (Random insult here) (Call for ban around here) (Comment aimed at ostracising fellow forum member with rest of forum members here)

 

Er, wait a minute. I'm not that angry. And er, I got where OldNick was coming from.

 

Sadly coming to the realisation that'll I've never be a member of the SaintsWeb Throatjumping Club - but I think I'll manage. Somehow.

 

Carry on...

[Thedelldays]

Isn't that what we pay the police for? Let them do their job EDL scum, you will cause even more trouble...which is probably what they wanted in the first place. Any excuse to give some black guy a good hiding!

 

you are for real...your lot are every bit as bad as the EDL....

 

pot kettle and black

[bridge too far]

just heard on the news that one of the looters currently behind bars is a teaching assistant with a well paid job in london....

 

lol....BTF..how does this sit with you..?

 

I think s/he should be ashamed of herself TBH. He or she will lose his or her job (low paid, BTW not well paid -£7K to £15K pro rata to term times) and rightly so.

 

Still, if it amuses you................... simple things

[Thedelldays]

I think s/he should be ashamed of herself TBH. He or she will lose his or her job (low paid, BTW not well paid -£7K to £15K pro rata to term times) and rightly so.

 

Still, if it amuses you................... simple things

low paid...but hardly a deprived child that cant afford to go swimming

[pap]

Given that the story became much bigger than Tottenham, would anyone object to a thread title change?

[bridge too far]

low paid...but hardly a deprived child that cant afford to go swimming

 

Very, very low pay for London. Even on the top whack, her gross would be about £12k - pretty tough for living in London. However, she's a criminal now so she'll lose her paltry pay anyway.

 

But hey, if she's a teaching assistant, she's not a child now, is she

[Verbal]

you are for real...your lot are every bit as bad as the EDL....

 

pot kettle and black

 

How predictably nonsensical.

 

But while we're on the subject of kettles and pots, I don't think you responded to Saintbletch's post about the differences, if any, between the behaviour of those conspiring to loot and you conspiring the carry out a violent revenge attack on a woman.

 

I look forward to your considered response.

[trousers]

Given that the story became much bigger than Tottenham, would anyone object to a thread title change?

 

I vote for "Mountains and Molehills"

[trousers]

[bridge too far]

 

"People of the UK, I make you this promise. I will start to show some leadership soon - honest"

[LGTL]

 

[trousers]

"People of the UK, I make you this promise. I will start to show some leadership soon - honest"

 

;-)

[Wade Garrett]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14482695

 

A bit more of this please.

[Verbal]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14482695

 

A bit more of this please.

 

Why? The problem with the knee-jerking on here is that the behaviour being encouraged is exactly that likely to lead to an escalation of trouble. Arrest and charge - as the cops in my neighbourhood did.

[Saintandy666]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9560000/9560646.stm

 

An insight.

[Wade Garrett]

Why? The problem with the knee-jerking on here is that the behaviour being encouraged is exactly that likely to lead to an escalation of trouble. Arrest and charge - as the cops in my neighbourhood did.

 

I prefer the old-fashioned approach. I am centre-left in my views, but even I can see that touchy feely policing over the last 20 years hasn't worked. Nothing wrong with the old-fashioned way, why can't they go in hard first and then arrest and charge. Complete justice in my book.

[Verbal]

I prefer the old-fashioned approach. I am centre-left in my views, but even I can see that touchy feely policing over the last 20 years hasn't worked. Nothing wrong with the old-fashioned way, why can't they go in hard first and then arrest and charge. Complete justice in my book.

 

The old fashioned way IS to arrest and charge - and by the far the most effective. This of all times is not the best to indulge in revenge by proxy.

[JackFrost]

I think it really summed up today's society when I heard the first person to be up in court for looting was a 31 year old schoolteacher. With schoolteachers like that who needs unruly schoolchildren?

 

I hope their dealt with properly by the law and I sincerely hope they get the sack

[Verbal]

I think it really summed up today's society when I heard the first person to be up in court for looting was a 31 year old schoolteacher. With schoolteachers like that who needs unruly schoolchildren?

 

I hope their dealt with properly by the law and I sincerely hope they get the sack

 

Quite - and he probably will.

[dubai_phil]

I prefer the old-fashioned approach. I am centre-left in my views, but even I can see that touchy feely policing over the last 20 years hasn't worked. Nothing wrong with the old-fashioned way, why can't they go in hard first and then arrest and charge. Complete justice in my book.

 

Unfortunately some of those officers had worked a 21 hour shift, had 4 hours off and then been pushed back out on the streets.

 

While they are highly trained and we expect them to be self regulating and self controlled they can still in those circumstances make errors of judgement. The brain does that and especially in high tension areas.

 

So one mistake gets made, another innocent by stander or passer by gets whacked by a copper with red mist. Back to the G8 situation and no further forwards.

 

(What the copper on that blog was referring to.)

 

I couldn't understand why the cops marched slowly, why there were no "snatch squads" grabbing looters.

 

A lot of the more sensible (ie non Harriet Harman krap) I have read today (inc that blog) made me understand why that has been the case.

 

The Police have been made accountable (after so many mistakes in the past).

Now They account.

Unfortunately of late they have been needed to Protect & Serve, it's clearly been shown that they cannot do both.

 

Again another decision for Society. Accept the risks - understand once and for all that if you are unlucky enough to get caught up as an innocent bystander you should just take it on the head or have the PC policing of Sat - Monday.

 

Tough Call

[Gingeletiss]

527 thieving rioting looters shot dead by police, many in the back of the head, over 1000 in hospital with cracked skulls due to excessive baton use by police. Hundreds of people torn apart by police dogs. The armed Forces are moving to finish rioters in affected areas using bayonets so as to save tax payers money on bullets....Carlsberg don't do headlines but if they did......

[trousers]

Quite - and he probably will.

 

Hardly a solution though. Won't that simply encourage him to loot more often?

 

 

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[kwsaint]

i'm 15 and it just amazes me that people the same age as me go out on the street and have no clue about why they are doing it.

[solentstars]

i'm 15 and it just amazes me that people the same age as me go out on the street and have no clue about why they are doing it.

some may do but their is a hard core who are well versed in crime and know they can not be touched